Agreed!Originally Posted by toddalin
I have never had good results with Rustoleum... it is too bad that Krylon has had to reformulate and have been unsuccessful in many of the new formulations.
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Agreed!
I have never had good results with Rustoleum... it is too bad that Krylon has had to reformulate and have been unsuccessful in many of the new formulations.
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Anyone tried U-pol satin black? (U-pol #UP0801)
Works great in automotive and motorcycle restoration applications. Most prefer it to Krylon (which I happen to like very much and sad to see the semi-flat go away).
Available here but I have no experience with the seller: http://www.tcpglobal.com/AutoBodyDep...ItemNo=UPO+801
Manufacturer's product information sheet in pdf here: http://www.u-pol.com/datasheets/tds/PCSB-TDS-US.pdf
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I have had OUTSTANDING results with Rustoleum "Painters Choice" gloss black, semi-gloss black, and flat black. I use tons of the semi gloss black to paint all sorts of rigging fixtures and fabrications. If you have "fisheyes", it is due to improper surface prep, not the paint. I have been really impressed how well these finishes hold up, even outdoors.
The semi-gloss black is identical to many matte but not flat black finishes.
Fisheyes are due to surface contamination potentially. You might be able to wipe the surface with a surfactant to get rid of them, but they are typically due to oily contaminants; like lemon oilsetc>> if you ever wiped down the speaker surface.
Larry
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I'm not sure I have ever seen "painter's choice"... is it an aerosol enamel?
The common Rustoleum aerosol enamel never gave me a finish I could live with... I rarely use spray cans at all anyway, but the Krylon lacquers always seemed to give a much better finish that the Rustoleums.
As for fisheyes, yes it is from improper surface prep, but some paints are far more forgiving than others... I haven't had a problem with fisheyes since I learned just how easily silicone migrates around the shop... other oils and waxes were fairly easy to deal with. I don't really do that sort of work anymore, but I used to wash down work tables with acetone and soap and water after doing anything with a product that contained silicon... simply setting a project down on a contaminated table from work that had been done weeks earlier could cause problems.
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I've used Deft also but rubbed it out using very fine steel wool and Swedish (Danish, etc.) Oil as a lubricant.
Krylon 1613 has to be about the most forgiving paint on the planet. With a light coat, you can work on the piece 15-30 minutes later.
When it sprays, as a lacquer, it is semi-dry by the time it hits the work. Surface imperfections and minor contaminants are far less trouble as the paint has less time to react to these before it dries. I've used Painters Choice and it is still not as easy to use or as forgiving.
This whole undercarrage/chassis was done with 1613. You think I was able to get rid of all of the contaminants? Hardly.
"I'm not sure I have ever seen "painter's choice"... is it an aerosol enamel?
The common Rustoleum aerosol enamel never gave me a finish I could live with"
I agree..the old Rustoleum stuff used to take weeks to dry, and never looked good. Painters choice is an aerosol, probably the best enamel based spray I have used. You can lay on a thick coat without running, and it cuts into itself like a more expensive product. It goes directly onto metal without primer. I've had stuff mounted outside painted with it, and most of it is still rust free 5-7 years later. I've painted motorcycle frames with it, and high tolulene content race gas won't touch it.
"This whole undercarrage/chassis was done with 1613. You think I was able to get rid of all of the contaminants?"
If you didn't, the paint is stuck to the contaminant, not the metal.
Thanks for the tip... next time I need an aerosol, I'll look for it.
I guess their intense marketing of that old junk allowed them to make enough profit to do the R+D to develop "Painter's Choice", maybe there is hope for Bose.
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That's fine. What was left after the cleaning was 40 years old. It's not going anywhere and as it stays, the paint stays.
The finish would not look anywhere near as smooth with Rustoleum, not that anyone but me actually sees it. Still, it protects the metal from surface rust.
The fiberglass undersides of Corvettes were left unpainted. Imagine 40 years of grime working its way into the glass matting. Most all of the black you see is actually painted fiberglass.
Damn! I depended on Krylon Semi-Flat Black for years in piano work, as it made a beautiful and hard wearing finish on wooden sharp keytops. First they steal our incandescent light bulbs, now this.
Speaking of rattle cans, I had some fun the other day. I had grown very tired of the shiny black finish on my hecho en Mexico Fender Stratocaster; I understand even Eric Clapton donated his "Blackie" to charity. So, I stripped the finish, reworked the body contours with some aggressive sanding for a kinder, gentler shape, and applied a multicolor finish. It's about time for Zolatone to make a comeback, don't you think?
Not just yet... you are a few years early. These cycles seem to run about every 30 years and then usually with a slight variation. I'd expect to see the "New" Zolatone look in about 5-6 years.
It really does suck about the Krylon... I still have a little left but it'll all be gone soon.
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I haven't purchased any for awhile, but I always liked the Rust Tough Flat black from Krylon....... very durable as a spray paints go. I suppose it won't help anybody that is looking for some shine, Though.
If you have a Tractor Supply Co. (TSC) near by, you might try their paint. It used to be called BPS (Best Paint Sold), but I think they're just going with the Valspar name, now....... Valspar made the BPS paint, so it's not necessarily a different paint, just a name change. They have a flat, that is more like a semi-flat, to me...... that might work for you.
I saw some Krylon Semi-Flat Black in a Walmart recently. It had a new shape cap on it, so I assume it was recent production. I looked on their website and they show a semi-flat black, but the number isn't 1613. The number I found was 53565. I'll have to check out a can next time I see it.
http://www.krylon.com/products/indooroutdoor_paint/
If it's anywhere near the lab sample they sent me, it's still off by a mile AFAIC. I've gone to Rustoleum Painters Touch flat black.
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