Loudspeakercable - help is wanted

[Svanen]

Hi everyone

I am the happy owner of a set JBL 4341 loudspeakers in perfect condition (original blue) .

Here is my setup:

Krell KAV400xi - Sony X707ES - Audio Alchemy DTI+XDP+PS1+PS4.
Cables: VDH MCD501 orig. + VDH DM300MK2.

I have used a friends Cimber 4VS which I think is very good for the 4341. But he needs it now I have then used VDH Clearwater, but...it doesn't work.

Is here anyone who can me a good advice. Thanks!

[demon]

really good advice not to care much about it. cables have an easy job as far as i know.
if its thick enough to carry the load (...), if it feels good in your hands and is nice to look at -its perfect!

cheers,
mikey

[Svanen]

Hi Mikey

I can guarantee you there is a difference but thanks for your answer!

really good advice not to care much about it. cables have an easy job as far as i know.
if its thick enough to carry the load (...), if it feels good in your hands and is nice to look at -its perfect!

cheers,
mikey

[BMWCCA]

Y'all kill me with how seriously you take this stuff. My local hardware store carries all gauges, on the spool, in bulk. I buy it by the foot, or the reel, as I need it. Sure it's gotten expensive on the price of copper mostly, but it's still lamp cord. I attach my own Pomona plugs to fit JBL and Crown terminals. However, as has been postulated, I am a bottom feeder. Or, as we joke here amongst a group of us driving old BMWs when one of us actually buys one less than 15-years old, "You must be rich!"

[hjames]

Y'all kill me with how seriously you take this stuff.

D'oh!!
There you go, you had to light them up again ...!
betcha 10 spot that dog feller will be here soon!

(But remember, JBL didn't use any fancy wire INSIDE the speaker box!)

The prevailing answer seems to be:

If you can hear the difference, spend the money!

[Hoerninger]

but...it doesn't work.

Not clear - a break?

I go for thick - short - unexpensive,
briefly what BMWCCA has proposed.


[Another amp can minimize cable differences -
amp, cable, network and speakers represent a network with active and passive parts.
The interaction can be very obscure, I do not care very much . ]
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Peter

[Mr. Widget]

Is here anyone who can me a good advice. Thanks!

Wish I could help.

Good luck on your quest!


Widget

[1audiohack]

Drew Daniels.com, go to more links, open "Audio strictly for laughs"

Seriously if you scout around a bit, he has some pretty good advise, and I believe him to really be an authority on the subject.

[demon]

(But remember, JBL didn't use any fancy wire INSIDE the speaker box!)

(now, thats easy to change once the soldering gun is warmed up a bit)
(never look into a power amp if you are scared easily)


edit:

Drew Daniels.com, go to more links, open "Audio strictly for laughs"

this one (?): http://drewdaniels.com/badreligion.html


mikey

[demon]

sorry, my french is..

there!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solder
"a solder without a gun"

[Hoerninger]

sorry, my french is..

Not french but helpful:

www.dict.cc/
or
http://pda.leo.org/

These tools are working vice versa.

The second one is recommended for its quick and easy usage, it is meant for PDAs.
I am using the first one as there is a nice OS/2 frontend.
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Peter

[AltecLansingFan]

Hi everyone

I am the happy owner of a set JBL 4341 loudspeakers in perfect condition (original blue) .

Here is my setup:

Krell KAV400xi - Sony X707ES - Audio Alchemy DTI+XDP+PS1+PS4.
Cables: VDH MCD501 orig. + VDH DM300MK2.

I have used a friends Cimber 4VS which I think is very good for the 4341. But he needs it now I have then used VDH Clearwater, but...it doesn't work.

Is here anyone who can me a good advice. Thanks!

The cables are very important in you system and can make a big difference in sound quality. It depends on what kind of sound you like. If you use a solid state amplifier the monster Monster cable M series 2.2S can sound really detailed, warm, with a very good sound stage. Monster works a lot together with Krell, so maybe this is an option. I tried this cable on my 300B tube amplifier, with the Altec model 19 that was not good at all, very, warm and woolly, but the cables are sounding very, nice with the combination McIntosch MC2100/604 super duplex speaker. My friend uses the monster cables in combination with the JBL K2 S9800/MC1000 also very nice.
Try this http://www.6moons.com/archivelibrary/writer.html
Here you can find some interesting reviews about audio gear and cables.

[BMWCCA]

Anyone with a home computer can find myriad articles on the Internet about exotic or "audiofile" audio cables, both pro and con. I hit Google and came up with this:
http://forum.ecoustics.com/bbs/messages/5/6528.html

I was particularly interested in many high-end cable claims of a "break-in" period of up to 200 hours of listening before the victim, err, customer, might be able to accurately tell of any improvement in sound quality. Here's a short quote from the above link on that topic from an electrical engineer:

. . . the exotic cable vendor concocts marketing literature, usually in the form of a story, based on half engineering truths or misapplied engineering principles to lure you in. They often reject the proven fundamental truths that govern these principles and claim established associated theories cannot be verified through measurements or engineering certainties, but instead only through hearing. What they fail to provide however is repeatable statistical data and correlation that their cables do sound “better” for the reasons they tout. They often go one step further and claim it can take weeks for the consumer to hear the benefits of their cables since they require a break-in period. In reality cable break in is another misnomer, which I suspect is used to convince the customer to keep the cables beyond the retailers return policy. In addition, statistically, the longer the customer keeps a product the less likely they are to return it.

The same site offers a "budget" guide to cables and interconnects here: http://www.audioholics.com/buying-gu...get-guidelines which actually refers to some science and engineering. On "sound bite" from that is:

In fact, many of these cable companies are simply marketing Snake Oil in fancy packages, and selling them to you for outrageous prices.

You might also find the "snake oil" link [above] interesting. As Steve Winwood said, "Do What You Like".

[richluvsound]

Having done an A-B with cheap OFC cables compared to £1000 speaker cables on a $200,000 home hifi system here is my advice !

Get down to Radio Shack - spend no more than 50 cents a metre,paint the cable Red, stick some ferrite magnets on one end, not forgetting the arrows - sound don't like going the wrong way. 2 hours in the deep freeze -cryois all the rage !!!!! Take the $1000 you have left over and donate it to famine charity.

Rich

[Mr. Widget]

We may not think about it in these terms, but Hi-Fi is a business. People make amplifiers, speakers, turntables, CD players, DACs, and on and on including speaker wire and hope to produce them and sell them at a profit. Now, what you may not know is that every manufacturer determines what their dealer pricing will be. This typically varies a bit by product type. As it turns out most brands of interconnects and speaker wire have widest margins in the business.

At discount outlets like Best Buy, they make almost all of their profit on extended warranties and accessories like interconnects and speaker wire. At the high end stores, while they are more likely to get a decent margin on the actual gear they sell, the very high profit margin on the exotic cables makes them a very popular item to offer.


Widget