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    2245H recone done right?

    Purchased a reconed 2245H on Ebay. Noticed in some cases they seem to be (white) coated on the back side. This one is not. Cone feels a bit thin?

    Can anyone of you experts tell me - based on pictures attached - if the recone was done right? Is it a genuine JBL recone?

    Intended purpose: B460 clone.

    Thanks, Jan
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    Hi Jan;

    don't worry! only the older series of the 2245H's had the, so called, white aquaplas coting on the backside. there is absolutely nothing wrong with your woofer; if you'd buy a brand new 2245H today it would look exactly like yours.

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    The old cones are black on the front and white aquaplas on the back. The new ones are grey on the front and black aquaplas on the back.
    This one looks like it has no aquaplas on the back (looks too thin and smooth).
    If it was a recent recone it would be grey on the front, wheras this one looks like the old ones.
    Could it be a 2240 cone with the cloth surround replaced with a foam one?
    The fact that the faceplate is missing could be a sign of such a thing.

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    I'm sorry for you.

    This is sure an aftermarket recone.

    The real 2245 cone is more grey, has much less ribs and has a thick aquaplas coat on the back.

    See here:
    http://www.audioheritage.org/vbullet...0&postcount=25

    Why don't you guys just ask an expert before you buy. I sell REAL 2245 freshly originally reconed. Currently 4 are in stock.
    And the best thing is: You pay less than for this one plus the recone that is now necessary.
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    sorry

    That aint real, Sorry ! I think this one is If not, I'm getting the next flight to Frankurt to have words with Guido !
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    2245H real vs fake

    Quote Originally Posted by Guido View Post
    I'm sorry for you.

    This is sure an aftermarket recone.

    The real 2245 cone is more grey, has much less ribs and has a thick aquaplas coat on the back.

    See here:
    http://www.audioheritage.org/vbullet...0&postcount=25

    Why don't you guys just ask an expert before you buy. I sell REAL 2245 freshly originally reconed. Currently 4 are in stock.
    And the best thing is: You pay less than for this one plus the recone that is now necessary.
    Yep, looks like you're right (attached). Hope that this is of help to others as well. There is at least one post that suggests it could be.

    There indeed is no aquaplas coat on the back which implies that it's a completely different unit, and actually useless.

    Why don't we ask? Because I was not aware yours are available. Also, because I'd like to believe one can trust fellow JBL owners / enthausiasts.

    Jan
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    Quote Originally Posted by jdelange View Post
    Why don't we ask? Because I was not aware yours are available. Also, because I'd like to believe one can trust fellow JBL owners / enthausiasts. Jan
    Yes, but be honest. It's the "ebay kick". The chance to get something really cheap.

    A real 2245 fresh recone need to cost around 400 Euro. The official price for the cone kit here in Germany is 280 Euro. So a complete unit can't be less than 400 unless something is wrong.
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    There are two different versions of the 2245th Look here :

    http://audioheritage.org/vbulletin/s...highlight=4345

    The Voice Coil Wires never sit in the ribs of the membranes.

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    Ebay: to good to be true?

    Quote Originally Posted by Guido View Post
    Yes, but be honest. It's the "ebay kick". The chance to get something really cheap.

    A real 2245 fresh recone need to cost around 400 Euro. The official price for the cone kit here in Germany is 280 Euro. So a complete unit can't be less than 400 unless something is wrong.
    Not all that is not expensive is obviously bad on Ebay (do add shipment, customs and taxes to Europe):

    http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?...MEDW:IT&ih=017

    http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?...MEWA:IT&ih=017

    So, are you selling at 400 Euro / speaker?

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    2245H old and newer

    Quote Originally Posted by rs237 View Post
    There are two different versions of the 2245th Look here :

    http://audioheritage.org/vbulletin/s...highlight=4345

    The Voice Coil Wires never sit in the ribs of the membranes.

    regards
    jueregen
    So the number of ribs may not be deciding, but the absence of an aquaplas coat on the back surely is.

    It would also be strange to get a recone in 2007 with a cone from the 80's...

    Coil wires in the ribs may be due to improper workmanship.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 4313B
    I thought we discussed this before - your ( re; R Bearsdley) cone is aftermarket.


    pmakres1's cone looks like the original Hawley cone.



    Here's Bo's (Hawley) :


    And Mike's (Mogami):
    All of the above is from this thread on the internal dimensions of 2245h cones .


    Jan, the only way to tell what you really have , is to have someone run a full set of TS parameters on your woofer.

    Quote Originally Posted by jdelange
    So the number of ribs may not be deciding, but the absence of an aquaplas coat on the back surely is.
    - Yes, as you've acknowledged, without the presence of an aquaplas coating ( black or white ) on the cones' backside , what you have is not a bonafide 2245h cone assembly .

    - You may have a customized 2240 ( as suggested above ) that someone has created by replacing the linen surround with a foam type surround / OTOH, you might have an aftermarket kit that uses the original Hawley type cone with some generic voice-coil ( ie; & "that coil" would most likely "wrong" in all the electrical values that count ) .

    - Without full TS parameters for spec comparisons / one just doesn't know these days what one is "looking at" .


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    Quote Originally Posted by Guido View Post
    Yes, but be honest. It's the "ebay kick". The chance to get something really cheap.

    A real 2245 fresh recone need to cost around 400 Euro. The official price for the cone kit here in Germany is 280 Euro. So a complete unit can't be less than 400 unless something is wrong.
    Guido, FWIW The US list price of a genuine 2245 recone (Orange County)is $237 compared with $610 in europe.
    Is it any wonder people look for eBay bargains rather than suffer JBL Europe's 150% mark ups?
    IMHO JBL should look after their european customers instead of robbing them blind...

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    Before you blame Harman on the prices of genuine JBL parts you might look to your own tariff/tax man. Can you say "protectionism"?

    Most everything shipped to Europe from the USA is waaaay more expensive than here.

    But to stay on topic...this 2245H recone is bogus...good eye, Guido.

    Another clue is the tinsel leads on the real thing are currently copper.
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    Before you blame Harman on the prices of genuine JBL parts you might look to your own tariff/tax man. Can you say "protectionism"?
    Yeah and the real kicker is with the strength of the Euro it should the the other way round.

    Rob

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    [QUOTE=edgewound;203569]Before you blame Harman on the prices of genuine JBL parts you might look to your own tariff/tax man. Can you say "protectionism"?

    Most everything shipped to Europe from the USA is waaaay more expensive than here.

    According to US and EU customs the tariff applied to loudspeaker imports is a mutual 4.5%. Add to that our wonderful VAT tax at 17.5 % still leaves us a long way off 160%. So no, you can't say 'protectionism'.
    It'd be good if rather than blithely blame it on 'protectionism',someone from Harman could step up and explain the price difference.
    Back on topic;
    Isn't there a way for genuine JBL parts to be watermarked/stamped, anything to ensure provenance?

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