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    The Specialist even has a cat called, timer. The cats’ meow pans from left to centre but doesn’t pan over to right. Maybe the cat only meows briefly.

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    Played some highlights from BACKDRAFT 1990 again because its the hottest sound now playing in my JBL home cinema!

    The audio slipped out of sync by a second ½, typical of youtube!

    One of the sound effects is Luke Skywalker’s lightsaber cutting into the AT-AT walker which has been used in many other STAR WARS films Indiana Jones and Forest Gump as mortar expulsion, you need a trained golden ear!

    This would have rocked Empire Leicester Square in 70mm Dolby Stereo original 13KW THX sure missed that one!

    Here I can feel not just the loud hard explosions but, the subtle Foley effects of footsteps, that’s better than UCI Tower Park, because I don’t recall remember feeling the footsteps mild to loud effects in one of the smaller screens.

    The JBL control 1 doe’s adequate justice to the stereo surrounds.

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    The playback even picks up the Foley footsteps clearly. Good effective use of dialogue panning as frantic woman crying from right to centre and other fireman yelling out from left while the woman cries on left and then, centre front with Scott Glenn yelling out.

    The fire breathing behind the door as it flexes in and out is creepy it’s certainly felt!

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    The sound of the traffic on the start feels like a mild, sensurround Earthquake rumble!

    The loud DeNiro dialogue scene was how it was at the cinema. It’s still plenty loud for the living room and fits nicely with video projection with small screen even if, it was large flat screen it, just won’t fit the image which, needs to be in front of the sound with the sound leaping out from behind the screen.

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    I like the sound of fire sirens and horns nicely recoded.

    The way the fire creaking around corners and overhead in the building is creepy. You just don’t know where an explosion (sound will come from)? It creeks along the right surround and over to left and along the front as the backdraft breaths with puff of smoke below the door and sucks back on the right side.


    Even a mild Foley effect of the axe knocking against the door is felt just before (Jason Gedrick) Tim busts in the door with his axe. The explosion is sudden followed by range of low fiery frequencies that are felt.

    Looking on the imdb I noticed QSound which was a sound panning format system I seem to recall seeing it demonstrated on BBC “Tomorrow’s World” around early 1990 and it was also used in robin hood prince of thieves (1991) buts its not credited on the imdb but it is credited on the end credits of the film next to the Dolby Stereo logo.

    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0101393/

    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0102798/

    http://www.qsound.com/index.htm

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QSound

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    I’m presently re-plugging the surrounds it’s a bit complicated in the set-up arrangement I’ll update later on once its all been sussed out.

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    The regular surrounds that would normally play on the sidewall in “5.1” mode that most only know it by or as I see it as Dolby stereo 4.2.4 or Dolby stereo discrete 4.0 / 4.1 / 5.1 would only play on the sidewall and the rear back in idle mode doing sod all unless used for “EX” or Dolby/dts 7.1 where they become active as stereo rear back or duel mono back while sidewall plays in stereo surrounds

    Well now I can use the rear back in the conventional way by using record output on the Harman Kardon AVP1a which is acting as Dolby-EX decoder.

    The master volume on the AVP1a only works with pre-outputs not on record out so the level as to be set on AVP1a then I use the Pioneer VSP-200 which acts as preamp for rear back surrounds.

    I’ve used two inputs on the VSP-200 (video mode and LD mode) LP mode is used for the Sony BDP-S550 when I want to use the rear back stereo surrounds on Dolby/dts 7.1.

    Video mode is used for conventional surrounds whither they’re monaural or stereo surrounds.

    The Kenwood is the main decoder and only the master volume on that AVR will be used to control the levels from its pre-outputs. It sounds really confusing doesn’t it, but it works

    Now I can play any film in any style or fashion.

    Surrounds worked as whole in the past along the sidewalls and rear wall until 1999 when it was changed it might have gone from mono to stereo surrounds in 1978 but the layout style hasn’t change much only extra outputs to feed the surrounds in the cinemas.

    I was going to try the 70mm wide mode on the AVP1a but it acts in similar way to Dolby pro-logic II by adding a blend of stereo on one of the surround outputs and I don’t want that. So the way its now running is the way I would have heard in the cinema only I have to switch this and that on for different surround playback styles.

    If I want to use the Dolby pro-logic as “EX” I’d have to select the input on the Marantz 1030 from AUX to “Tape” sounds confusing! Then select on AVP1a from stereo bypass to Dolby Pro-Logic and that it. It wouldn’t so bad if I only had one switch button to press but that’s the only way around unless its all digital with relays switching from one surround mode configuration to the next, would make it flexible and easy.

    I used the dts test disc to output steady wideband pink noise to each left and right surround channel while adjusting the level on each left-sidewall to left rear wall, to right rear wall surrounds, to left-sidewall surround, for equal SPL db level.


    How it sounds? Walking around the room with only the sidewall surrounds ON it still envelops but once I get near to the back wall it’s a dead hole sound, that is no sound from the rear surrounds!

    With the rear back ON along with the sidewall surrounds playing, chapter 5 The Abyss laserdisc sounds dizzy as I walk around the living room. It no longer has a hole in the sound on the back wall, (where’s yesterday it would) today it’s totally all-around now.

  8. #473
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    It’s hard to tell where the person at the back saying “auxiliary power motors back” where is he standing is right behind the in front or behind the captain as we can only see part of the con. The man could be standing to left rear back or left surround or right surround or rear right back or centre back? The voice just surrounds for now and that’s it.

    In Dolby digital version it’s the same effect except the surrounds are totally discrete over Dolby 4.2.4 matrix.

    It’s kip time, because I’m buggered after hours of thinking and re-plugging even thou it was piss easy it still eluded me months.

  9. #474
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    Listening to “This Episode” opening Black Sun” Space 1999 dtshd master audio 6channel.

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    For this IMAX DVD I’ve selected only the rear stereo back wall control 1 with sidewall stereo surrounds switched off. It works out fairly effective with panned voices from mission control. Music effects flow with nice harmonistic grandeur feeling motion.

    I’d try out Hail Columbia in jiffy.

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    The press ask questions about the Space Shuttles ability during escape procedures and the safety of its tiles that protect the orbiter from re-entry against the tremendous heat.

    The voices are panned from left to right over the rear back stereo surrounds one voice is positioned as centre-phantom or sent to left right surround at equal level to give the illusion, he’s standing right behind.

    With a flexible JBL home cinema I have switched off the sidewall JBL surrounds and used the rear stereo back that would be used with Dolby Stereo features films or Dolby-EX depending on stereo surround mix or the mood I’m in or the weather the film works best with EX on regular Dolby Stereo Digital films with exceptionally good stereo surround mixing.

    I can choose any surround flavour to suit the style of the film, now that is JBL control 1 surround control with fewer limitations.

  13. #478
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    I’m looking at buying some cheaper FBQ3102 that are going cheap as chips might get one to start off with in a couple of weeks then another and another and another (and additional extra for left-centre/right-centre at later date) I need x4 or x8 31 band EQ to start off with.

    http://www.behringer.com/EN/Products/FBQ3102.aspx

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    HMV was doing Apollo 13 from £16.00 down to an £APOLLO 12 pounds if it was priced 13 I might start worrying.

    I was worried if it was the crap version from the second edition special edition where all the white text that’s displayed on the screen showing the dates to launch, (was removed and subtitle text had been replaced that displayed in the black boarder area below the image).

    I run a few minutes at 1080i on the bed sheet. You can’t beat a good bed sheet in fact they used to use bed sheets in cinemas in the early days of cinema, long before plastic screens came around and a few more years until plastic perforated screens came about in the 1950’s.

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    The film is the same nothing different expect the image which in the next video you’ll see laserdisc over DVD first edition and bluray, I forgot to put the special edition DVD in! No matter I’m sure the framing on that is just a few inches different.

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