SAM I am?

[Mr. Widget]

I just stumbled upon these while looking at the JBL site...

http://www.jblsynthesis.com/products...=US&Region=USA

Looks very interesting.

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[Mr. Widget]

That SAM1HF unit could easily be incorporated into many DIY designs... looks like an excellent way to get an outstanding top end... or a complete system with their SAM2LF.

Anyone know anything about them?


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[boputnam]

Reminds me a lot of the system Greg Timbers had in his home Greg Timbers & DIY - looks like things are progressing!

[Mr. Widget]

Reminds me a lot of the system Greg Timbers had in his home...

Ya think?

Looking around a bit more I found the list price. One SAM1HF is $3300... yeah sure that is a lot compared to a pair of 20 year old monitors, but for your $3300 you are getting two brand new compression drivers and a state of the art dual horn. I'd say it's a pretty good deal.


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[timc]

Is it the same horn used in the Array? Is it usable for 2 way use?

I have seen them, but not the price. It's not that bad really.



-Tim

[Zilch]

I want to know more about the 8" woofers....

[JBLnsince1959]

I want to know more about the 8" woofers....

me too. mostly tho, I'll like to know the crosover freq between the sam1 & 2 and 18" sub

[hmolwitz]

The dual 8 inch drivers are Aluminum cone.
Here is the blurb:
ACCURATE MID-BASS DRIVERS: The 8" (200mm) mid-bass drivers incorporate many of JBL’s patented technologies – such as Symmetrical Field Geometry™ (SFG), Symmetrical Inductance Modulation (SIM) and Vented Gap Cooling™ (VGC) – as well as unique cone and dome materials, to provide tight, smooth midrange sound without harshness, stridency or listener fatigue.
DEEP-ANODIZED CONE AND DOME MATERIAL: The special deep-anodized aluminum cone and dome material, together with the motor features, helps to reduce midband distortions to very low levels (approximately 50dB to 60dB below the fundamental signal driven at 100dB output).
Dual 8” (200mm) deep-anodized-aluminum cone and dome material with dual inside neodymium magnets, shielded motor structure and 2inch (51mm) voice coils

Dual "Inside" Neodymium motor structure: Two Neodymium magnets are used. The "Top" Neodymium magnet is magentized with opposite polarity to the main lower magnet. This inverted dual magnet configuration improves magnetic shielding and offers increase acoustic output.

These look like fairly serious little woofers utilizing all of their best technology to date.

I was interested in the crossover they are using which is a Cobranet digital crossover device.
In my own meanderings I have disliked the idea of dual d/a a/d stacks, and really wonder why they were unable to eliminate that in this very high end solution. If they had pushed digital from the SDP40DH
directly to the SDEC-4000 via Cobranet it would seem a cleaner solution.
I haven't figured a way to do this myself (Import Digital 5.1 into Cobranet) but one would think it feasible.
I wonder if this is just a rebadge of the bss ps8810? It seems to have much the same feature set.
I have one and am truly interested in this.

Neat stuff.
Harry

[JBL 4645]

Is the bass mid enclosure (rear ported)? That’s got to be at least a few grand, does JBL sale the (SYNTHESIS® SAM2LF) on there own?

The frigging HF horn is louder than my JBL Control 5, 98db where the control 5 is only 89db. Bet these would sound great for movies in a small room.




UHF Transducer045Ti 1” (25MM) Pure titanium compression driver with aluminum edge-wound voice coil and 2” (51mm) neodymium motor assembly, mounted in a SonoGlass® constant-directivity horn

High-Frequency Transducer435AL-1 3” (75mm) Aquaplas-treated aluminum-dome compression driver with aluminum edge wound voice coil and neodymium motor assembly, mounted in a vertical SonoGlass® constant directivity horn

Sensitivity (2.83V/1m)98dB

One thing I can’t see that is in the technical specifications is the (horizontal and vertical) paten of the sound?

[MJC]

When I first saw the system, online, I firgured it was the Project Array, set in-wall. If for no other reason, as to the name, SYNTHESIS® ONE ARRAY.
Just like the Synthesis 4, is basicly the Performance Series.

[Guido]

Ya think?

Looking around a bit more I found the list price. One SAM1HF is $3300... yeah sure that is a lot compared to a pair of 20 year old monitors, but for your $3300 you are getting two brand new compression drivers and a state of the art dual horn. I'd say it's a pretty good deal.
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Widget,
the 2431H is app. 400$, so 2900$ for one Horn and a supertweeter?
Thank you.
No matter how we look at it. JBL isn't interested in DIYers any longer! Period.

There is a huge market for those overpriced HiFi Gear. And this market is far more interesting than the DIY market.
Everyone with a bit experience can calculate the margin on a pair of Everest 2 or K2-9800. Even if you fill in spare parts prices (which contain traditionally itself a high margin) you will end with a dream margin.
That's what I learned to understand. No way around it. No sense to complain.

[Mr. Widget]

Widget,
the 2431H is app. 400$, so 2900$ for one Horn and a supertweeter?
Thank you.
No matter how we look at it. JBL isn't interested in DIYers any longer! Period.

Maybe I've been playing around with the TADs too long... a single TAD 4003 driver and horn was around $4750 when they were available.

As for what is a fair profit margin and all that, it is for the market to decide, but I think that undercutting and cheaping out is what leads to lack of healthcare and the use of unsafe plastics and paints... we need to scale back and buy less, but buy better and be prepared to pay a fair wage. America was like that when McIntosh and JBL were the premium brands and eagerly sought around the globe.


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[DavidF]

Widget,
the 2431H is app. 400$, so 2900$ for one Horn and a supertweeter?
Thank you.
No matter how we look at it. JBL isn't interested in DIYers any longer! Period.

There is a huge market for those overpriced HiFi Gear. And this market is far more interesting than the DIY market.
Everyone with a bit experience can calculate the margin on a pair of Everest 2 or K2-9800. Even if you fill in spare parts prices (which contain traditionally itself a high margin) you will end with a dream margin.
That's what I learned to understand. No way around it. No sense to complain.

JBL is very interested in the DIY market, Guido. Nowadays it is in the automobile market, though, not the home-system market.

I wouldn't be surprised if JBL originally hoped just to break even on the Everest II. A lot of development time, expensive components, and little incentive to tool up for automated assembly since there is a limited volume in sales.

[Ian Mackenzie]

Guido,

I think with perhaps one exception (Nelson Pass) the people that sell the Hi End HiFi dont care for diy people because it cuts into their 200% margins.

Pass has always supported Diy and he is also very successful commercially. Passlabs continues to grow on both fronts and has proven that very impressive results can be had without spending a fortune.

Unfortunately the market is such that some will only have you believe that you must spend a fortune for the best sound.

The issue with JBL is accessing some of the horns and drivers.

[Guido]

........ but I think that undercutting and cheaping out is what leads to lack of healthcare and the use of unsafe plastics and paints... we need to scale back and buy less, but buy better and be prepared to pay a fair wage. America was like that when McIntosh and JBL were the premium brands and eagerly sought around the globe.
Widget

Absolute Agreement! Wal Fart killed alot. I'm very proud that we kicked them out of Germany. Finally they gave up here. But we have enough other crap sellers which was the main reason.
I buy less and better. I always did.
Something between 1.500$ and 1.800$ would be a fair price for that SAM. But once again, I do not complain. If one can sell a 500$ product for 3.000$ and still have lucky buyers than one will do so.
I price my work different, but who am I?