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    Star Trek IV the voyage home

    Note the colour blue and the white hot light of the sun beaming though the water crates this green smearing! This would never even requestor on projected film in the cinema least of all in Real Life!

    This is mostly a common issue now and only an experienced eye will know this is wrong!

    Screenshot is from region 2 DVD of the same master produced for the bluray original motion picture! I think personally Paramount is retarded because they don’t a f$$%king clue what the meaning of the world “Original” is?

    The soundtrack is just about as original to what I heard on 70mm Dolby SR at the Empire 20 years ago a few months! Sigh f(&king idiots!
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    According to what Van Ling said on home theatre forums about it getting the 16:9 treatment which seems to me, like they have taken the dodgy master rubbish tape and sprinkled with lame bluray graphics to deluded the rest that don’t know what to look for.

    It could be 500GB Bluary and it will still look like rubbish.

    What they need to do is go back and start all over again from a 35m print and align the video equipment up so that these ghastly looking artefacts don’t even display.

    You’d never see this in the cinema! But I guess most of you haven’t even been to real cinema in 10 years and have forgotten what the original medium looks like.

    Here are few region 2 DVD THX screen captures note the yucky green smearing that washes and smears parts of the image detail. There should only be white light as you would see in REAL LIFE.

    This is the same as the THX laserdisc PAL laserdisc VHS tape. It didn’t show up on channel 4 when I saw it many years ago, and that was analogue TV now then! They used a different print or a different means of presenting it which would put a bluray to shame.

    The Abyss
    Titanic
    Terminator haven’t given it re-spin for months but 99.999% says its there!
    Terminator 2
    Terminator 3
    Close Encounters of the third Kind
    Cape Fear remake
    True Lies
    Aliens
    Star Trek the Motion Picture
    Dante’s Peak
    Poltergeist

    Oh, I can list a whole bundle and it’s a costly deal now to fix this image technical issue.

    Star Trek (2009) doesn’t have this nonsense on the Bluray and I’m sure even the DVD is free from this rubbish as well. I have seen dodgy videos of Star Trek on the internet that had (green smearing) as well as reporting the video to FACT because its against the law to steal films!


    So, there it is. Poor transference will result in poor looking DVD/Bluray.
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    Poltergeist region 1 DVD region A Bluray

    If you want a better looking Poltergeist on optical disc f%()k the second edition DVD and the Bluray version! Look and you’ll see how the second version doesn’t mirror that of the first edition region 1 DVD.
    http://www.dvdbeaver.com/film2/DVDRe...oltergeist.htm

    Someone on such and such site to have the fR$(king gore to tell me its my monitor LMAO I have 4 CRT monitors and one LCD video projector is it f$%)k my monitor! This wanker on such and such site sounded like he wanted to sale me one of those calibration video discs! Well he can shove that disc sideways!

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    Crimson Tide The Thing Leon aka The Professional Bluray region B

    Brought a few Bluray’s

    Crimson Tide
    DolbyTrue
    Scope 2.35:1/2.4:1

    The Thing
    dtsHDMA
    Scope 2.35:1

    Leon aka The Professional
    dtsHDMA
    Scope 2.35:1
    Theatrical/Director’s cut

    I’ve skipped though most of these to see how they sound and look.

    Crimson Tide looks fine so far
    Sound wow similar to dts laserdisc but since my friend has my optical lead for his PS3 and hardly listens to music mostly gaming so I can’t A & B the difference at the moment…I couldn’t spot anything queer apart from it’s the theatrical version unlike the region 2 DVD that also have which is the director’s cut which I can’t bare to look or listen too.

    This one rocks! I can’t be asked to watch in on the LCD video at the moment at1080i looks fine on the CRT Panasonic.

    Leon has director’s cut running in at 133 minutes over its Theatrical release.
    Image of the two versions looks fine.

    Sound on the director’s cut is just painful to listen too! Its got somewhat slight botched out of place mix with slight dialogue bleed-over left front I noticed on the DCX2496 some level on the barograph display (while moving forwards in the sofa to mute the centre) sigh!

    Thou it has far more depth to the story with Leno and Mathilda (go door to door looking for the drug dealers reasonable for her family being killed in drug bust), they execute each and every last one.

    The Theatrical version doesn’t have any sound issues and I’d sooner watch the theatrical. Also the sound effects on the director’s cut sound embarrassingly too low like some poor TV series from the 1960’s about a bunch of army guys something Garrison? All I can remember was the dialogue was loud and sound effects where quiet WTF!


    The Thing is running now and it shouldn’t take long to skip though it as I’ve seen it too many times on VHS laserdisc and DVD.

    Wow the depth of the things spacecraft in the open roars nicely at 24fps not that horrible 25fps speed up toppy sound lows sound bit lower due to the 24fps rate.

    Image looks fine so far.

    There is slight same minor issue with tiny db low level of dialogue on the screen right but you’d only notice it if you muted the centre it’s the same issue as the DVD and no doubt the Dolby AC-3 signature laserdisc.

    Its not an annoyingly off-putting but I was suspecting this would be same mix, too bad its dtsHDA because that really sucks this film was never released in dts only 35mm Dolby stereo and 70mm six-track Dolby stereo! Get your f%7ing act together Universal Pictures enough of the f%$%king dts on Dolby stereo films!

    I don’t mind if its dts and Dolby to give the user consumer the f%8king choice!

    The rest of the sound effects are intact like Foley moment of footsteps moving around over the LCR as they are onscreen most of the time.

    I’m glad the dodgy artwork cover wasn’t used on this bluray like later DVD edition artwork that was used for the game version.
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    The Matrix Reloaded Revolutions Bluray region B

    Also brought the Matrix trilogy for rather reasonable ASDA price of £28.00 not bad given that most single bluray titles will cost around £23.00 to £30.00 pounds the average cost of laserdisc 15 years ago!

    I looked at the first The Matrix and it looked good and sounded good that of the same DVD master and no doubt laserdisc which I, still have.

    The extras including the original audio commentary that was produced for the laserdisc is on this version including a few more that I believe where on the DVD set that was produced before the bluray title came out.

    There is one that has commentary with Don Davis composer of the three Matrix films gives short brief accounts on what efforts where done in the scoring. Too bad the score isolated of dialogue and sound effects isn’t in six-track Dolby it’s a basic Matrix Dolby stereo that still sounds thrilling enough while watching the onscreen action.

    Also more of the Matrix music that rock computer type like music can be played with an animated background of the Matrix moving vertical down the screen while the music plays in stereo only or you can switch the AVR to Dolby stereo?

    I haven’t looked at the other Matrix films yet as I’ve seen them before on region 2 DVD as well as in the cinema.

    It’s still pleasing to hear the sound at the correct 24fps rate for lower lows and less shrilling highs.

    But it’s most obvious they can’t be asked to produce cleaner mirror image transfer as I have sixth sense there might be something out of place regarding image. These are the same versions just recycled and produced at higher resolution over standard DVD.

    I can’t be asked to watch one on the video projector seen them projected in the cinema. Well maybe sometime soon it’s not paramount to watch them on my own on big screen unless a friend would like to see them?

    The Matrix Reloaded Revolutions Bluray

    Also saw Superman the Movie at Castle Point HMV at £15.00 but it was that dreadful directors version with the new love it or hate it sound effects!

    I’d sooner have true 70mm six-track Dolby stereo 1978 version which they can’t even produce for multi-billion organisation company. Sigh They can keep that bluray! As well as the so called original 1978 NOT! Its got the same sly new sound effects placed in! SIGH who do they think they are kidding! SIGH
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    Casino Royale region 2 DVD

    A few short discrete Bond waterfall action shot moments chapter 21 where Bond goes after a kidnapped Vesper.

    Watch out for the low at around 3Hz wow not bad for region 2 DVD thou I guess the Bluray at 24fps would be an extra 1Hz down.

    The left and right fronts are so fully Bondstic the surrounds show strong support but with limited frequency response expect for that one that traces down to 1Hz!?

    Centre is front of attention which is why they should be matched because oh my god that is WOW!

    The David Arnold score beats furiously away with brass stings and percussion.

    One part of the scene that gets my attention on is the breaks locking on the Aston Martin centre back that turns my head just as Bond veers and banks sideward to avoid hitting Vesper as she lies out on the road tied up. The car whooshes past right of the right front just as the music goes to stillness on all channels then as the car starts to tumble around pieces of it braking off then finally comes to rest, with busted up, Bond.
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    The surrounds again are running with the audio limiter so I can ether give the level a bit WOW without going out of control because of the threshold level on the limiter setting. It helps on the softer quieter moments and brings them a bit more alive.

    The LFE.1 on its own thunderously pounds away thou mildly as there still is a lot more on this Dolby six-track mix before and towards the end it starts to go nuts like an earthquake.

    The LCRS sub bass extension is around the same strength that supports the JBL control 1/5 LCR and surrounds without the desire or temptation to making it unbearable too loud.

    I might consider this on Bluray might it does seem tempting to have it 24fps with lower lows on DolbyTrue six-track.

    The footstep Foley chapter 22 when Bond is carried out the car the footsteps move around on surrounds and front as if your in the middle and hearing the footsteps rustling around the grass.
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    Star Trek season 1 “Balance of Terror” region 2 DVD

    Thought I’d show the slight difference of the U.S.S. Enterprise giving the Romulan bird of pray a quick phaser pasting. Feels good in the living room as rumbling jolt then fades away.

    The lows are passing from the AVR to audio mixer. The left and right are summed the centre on its own and the, LFE .1 track included here I haven’t bothered with the stereo surround.

    Each one, sounds feels good on its own but when summed the signal doubles. The LCRS sub bass is sent to the smaller sub and the LFE.1 to the larger sub in the room.

    The LCR/LFE.1 summed shows subtle difference unless I make increases on the LFE.1 by a few +db it would display a bit different on the graph.

    It’s not bad for re-mix for an old monaural TV show and I’m mostly not for the re-mixes but, the original series has been done with great care and thought to where place directional sounds that makes it far more enjoyable.
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    North By Northwest region 2 DVD

    I guess you might think I don’t have classic Hitchcock films well only a few that have fantastic stereophonic sound like North By Northwest and Vertigo okay there is Psycho, with chilling monaural sting movement at the opening and the famous shower scene where Bates goes Psycho!


    I was rather surprised thou not disappointed to see the soundtrack going lower than 50Hz since this was long for the days of Sensurround and Dolby stereo but its nice to keep it traditional to the original.

    I like the sound of that traditional to the original.

    The surrounds on the opening titles have mildly subtle different rhythm during the first few seconds then open up a little to expose tiny bit more, but mealy ambient.

    Monaural surrounds envelope around the room like it would in cinema and works exceptionally well with crop duster bi-plane diving down on Roger Thornhill chapter 25.

    Leo’s roar is a bit LFE.1 underwhelming on the opening its mostly centre front roar! The rest of the instruments are very low key in LFE.1 Bernard Herrmann’s score is mostly heard LCR with a mild surround in-head least that’s how it sounds here.

    I guess you thought I wouldn’t put the crop duster plane in. Yeah don’t be too encouraged like I have in the past at turning the level up, when that plane slams into the tanker truck wham KABOOM!

    Less is more otherwise it will sound like the sub is overpowering the rest of the mix.

    The dialogue level is very soft level which means an average +80db around peak 85db thou the music is going

    A little more on the open Leo’s roar is mildly heard distant like on left and right while its focused centred and not even a hint of his roar on the surrounds. Music is higher on left and right and softer in centre.

    Chapter 13 he’s got a knife has people gasping left and right and woman’s voice heard on left call the police is also heard in the centre but might overpower the left. I use little delay centre LF/HF that helps the left and right half pan sounds easily heard.

    Of course Hitch always makes short cameo appearance, slightly missed the bus buy a few seconds.

    The bright yellow orange to red is where Leo roars then tamely calms down as the rest of the score takes over.
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    Crop-duster plane
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    As you said in another thread - real subtitle...
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    Brought a few bluray

    Pearl Harbour yes the Michael Bay stinker director! Well at least its got Kevin O’Connell doing the Dolby film mix!

    I brought this a few years back on region 2 DVD that presented Dolby technical issue with the Motorola chip in my Kenwood KRF-X9050D THX select with (raw Dolby digital only binary pulse noise, and partly the six-track Dolby stereo mix behind the noise.)

    Hopefully the bluray will present no issues.

    Black Rain brought this once before on region 2 DVD but felt something queer with it. The surrounds sounded a bit weird, thou I’m reading the small text print on this bluray that says Dolby digital-EX? Now that does sound weirder? The film was never released in Dolby SR-D only Dolby stereo SR and 70mm Dolby SR.

    Oh, well I’ll see if blows my skirt up when I get around to checking these bluray title out at grease lighting speed!

    Total Recall I have the first edition region 2 DVD that seems to have technical issue with the surrounds that sound like they have been f$(_ed up with some kind of filter at 500Hz! Yes all the top range is not there?

    Now this is from the renowned f%^uck-up DVD now authoring bluray Optimum Release UK who f$&ked-up Rambo box-set a few years back! Then f%&^ked-up Cliffhanger with reversed stereo fronts and split-surrounds!

    Yes they have a knack at f$%^king things right up! They do try there best I have to give them, that much credit, but if this is the same slyly same issue as the first edition and not a newer edition that was authored for the special edition DVD which I didn’t buy. I will go f$($%%king barking mad with this f$%^&^king twats!

    The 6th Day first time buy of this science fiction title it better entertain me!
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    Thumbs down 'Total Recall' Bluray region B Optimum Release UK = Total f$&^k up!

    Wow that only took me a record f$^king breaking few minutes to suss this one out!

    The mix is virtually the same without the slight DVD region 2 (snap crackle and pop on chapter 8 where the spaceship thunders overhead on the surrounds).

    There is only a tiny trace of getting some HF out of the surrounds and yes bullshit this not how its intended to be mixed! The surrounds sound, I mean smell like stale pair of yesterdays socks!

    One tiny bit of advice stay f$%^king clear of Optimum Release UK titles! These Muppets have no right or business authoring DVD/Bluray they just can’t get anything done right!

    I’ll be sending these clowns a email because speaking to them on the phone is just sheer f$^king waste of time!

    The bonus extra on the bluray LOL is a f$^king lame test-card and cheesy surround pink noise that cycles around in 5.1.

    They got f$&*king gore they have!

    I’m too pursue this matter further because re-releasing the same naff dud from the same piss-poor master video tape is taking the f%*(king piss!

    Bluray the perfect format? Well all I can say is Optimum Release UK, is giving it a bad f$&king name!

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    Perhaps saying F@cking would help some more, I mean, we don't REALLY get the urgency without it, do we?

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    Wow that only took me a record f$^king breaking few minutes to suss this one out!

    The mix is virtually the same without the slight DVD region 2 (snap crackle and pop on chapter 8 where the spaceship thunders overhead on the surrounds).

    There is only a tiny trace of getting some HF out of the surrounds and yes bullshit this not how its intended to be mixed! The surrounds sound, I mean smell like stale pair of yesterdays socks!

    One tiny bit of advice stay f$%^king clear of Optimum Release UK titles! These Muppets have no right or business authoring DVD/Bluray they just can’t get anything done right!

    I’ll be sending these clowns a email because speaking to them on the phone is just sheer f$^king waste of time!

    The bonus extra on the bluray LOL is a f$^king lame test-card and cheesy surround pink noise that cycles around in 5.1.

    They got f$&*king gore they have!

    I’m too pursue this matter further because re-releasing the same naff dud from the same piss-poor master video tape is taking the f%*(king piss!

    Bluray the perfect format? Well all I can say is Optimum Release UK, is giving it a bad f$&king name!
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    Quote Originally Posted by hjames View Post
    Perhaps saying F@cking would help some more, I mean, we don't REALLY get the urgency without it, do we?
    Well over here in Bournemouth that’s Dorset! We use it a lot! And a lot of it today because I’m really mad right now!! as consumer so you, might want to cover you’re eyes-up, okay!

    Also the surrounds are in monaural obviously for the 70mm Dolby format 42 and not format 43 which is split-surrounds. This was common with 70mm titles produced around early mid 1970’s till late 1990’s.

    Only few handful where ever produced with split-surrounds.

    But its still no f$%^king excuse for these idiots to do a piss poor job, because it reflects badly on their company.

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