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    Soundstage Paragon & S2600 compared

    I got in mind that the Paragon and the S2600 (or S3100, DD55000, horn 4660) have something in common. Thanks to Fred Sanford I got a good Paragon drawing, so I can point it out.

    The S2600 (et al.) has a very specific directivity so that a special soundstage can be achieved. This can be compared with the soundstage of the Paragon I think:

    As I do not assume that the Paragon is disguised in mysticism I made a drawing to analyze its sound reflector. The sound will be reflected just like light at a mirror. As I have no clue about the divergence of the Paragon horn (H5038) I choose a tangential direction at the mouth. The reflected beam is at right angle to the horn opening, more would make little sense. With this assumption there can be made a rough estimation (- I do not know any measurements).

    With the arrangement of horn and reflector the sound from the horn is split into two parts. One part is unaffected (blue), the other one is reflected (red). The distribution angle (b-B) of the blue part is about the half of the other red part (a-A). So the sound intensity per angle of the red part is half of the blue part. Within the angle (b-B) there are round about three quarters of the sound energy, within the angle (a-b) only one quarter. This makes a difference in sound pressure of about 5 dB. As the sound pressure is higher in directions A and B than in the ones of a and b there is even a greater difference between direction A+B and a (more than 5 dB) with a presumably smooth transition.

    When you look at the polar pattern of the S2600 you see a maximum difference of 10 dB between the directions of 0 degrees and ca. 35 degrees at 2 kHz and 4 kHz. Obviously this is more than in my estimation above. It must be added that at the Paragon the angle between high and low level is not 35 degrees but ca. 90 degrees. Obviously the horn of the S2600 has a greater influence.

    You are right if you consider that I do not own a S2600, otherwise I would not have made these thoughts . But everybody can experiment with the Paragon reflector: Take two pressboard with a length of about 90 cm (35 inch) for each side and bow each of them until there is a gap (?) of 8 cm (3 inches). I have tried this with two fullrange boxes. There is a stable stereo image (with a small basis) and an amazing soundstage all over the room. In a big room 7 m x 7m (23 ft x 23 ft) I placed the speakers in the corners, it was all over a fullfilling sound stage.

    I hope you can read this fluently so that you are encouraged to read it twice if necessary.
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    God, I hope you have the proper clearances to post about a paragon. Every time I even mention one I get creamed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thom View Post
    God, I hope you have the proper clearances to post about a paragon. Every time I even mention one I get creamed.
    Thank you for posting. I hope I have understood you correct:

    Although there are ways to clone/rebuild a Paragon, I could not convince my wife. - Clearance?
    I planned and let build a three way horn system with a sound reflector. (Unfortunately too big, too heavy , too ugly.) - Need for getting creamed?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hoerninger View Post
    Thank you for posting. I hope I have understood you correct:

    Although there are ways to clone/rebuild a Paragon, I could not convince my wife. - Clearance?
    I planned and let build a three way horn system with a sound reflector. (Unfortunately too big, too heavy , too ugly.) - Need for getting creamed?
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    Lurking in the hallways of this forum is a self appointed "lord of the paragon" who always lets me know I'm not worthy to post about his otherworldly beauty. Perhaps you will be judged worthy or perhaps he is sleeping. Because I realize English is not your first language I feel obligated to advise you not to take me to seriously although I didn't exactly make it up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thom View Post
    God, I hope you have the proper clearances to post about a paragon. Every time I even mention one I get creamed.
    Dammit! You've done it again.... you posted that word!


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    I was unclear as to where cold beer and loud Rock & Roll is to be introduced into this thread about Paragons.


    I like to listen to Howard Stern on my Paragon.
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    Where is Maron anyway?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SUPERBEE View Post
    I like to listen to Howard Stern on my Paragon.
    Superbee,

    I was fully aware that I did not name this thread
    "A theoretical investigation on the sound distribution with shifted polar patterns of speakers, a comparison of two JBL speaker models."
    So sound experiences are welcome.

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    Thom... I,m here my son !!!!! Remember only the mid driver is reflecting off the curved panel..

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    For those who want to know more about the horn 4660 there is the theorie in a AES preprent (legal download):
    http://www.dbkeele.com/PDF/Keele%20(...lar%20Area.pdf

    For those who want to make their own drawings (or a clone ) there is a 4800 x 1309 pixel PARAGON top view (gif) down here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SUPERBEE View Post
    I was unclear as to where cold beer and loud Rock & Roll is to be introduced into this thread about Paragons.


    I like to listen to Howard Stern on my Paragon.
    well, I think I'll crank up the "king of the recroom", pour a cold
    one and groove on EVH's "Drop Dead Legs".

    Thanks SB, I was just looking for an excuse.
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    I've only ever listened to two paragons, one of which was heavily modified. It had 6 extra cubic feet behind each LE15A and PR15's, and compared to it the original one sucked. It also had a 500 square foot room.

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    than that one was a abomination not a Paragon.

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    You didn't hear it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by 57BELAIRE View Post
    well, I think I'll crank up the "king of the recroom", pour a cold
    one and groove on EVH's "Drop Dead Legs".

    Thanks SB, I was just looking for an excuse.

    Exactly what those monsters were made for. Enjoy!

    Quote Originally Posted by Thom View Post
    I've only ever listened to two paragons, one of which was heavily modified. It had 6 extra cubic feet behind each LE15A and PR15's, and compared to it the original one sucked. It also had a 500 square foot room.
    Ditto, That is NOT a Paragon.
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