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    General JBL tweeter talk...amoung other things...

    What tweeter??

    Been running a pair of L15's as computer speakers for quite some time now.. been impressed with the 034's, but they fail to have the energy that I'd like... there is a noticable lack of top end performance although they do upper mids fairly well with some coaxing via some crossover mods. Couldn't stand using so much EQ on them that I had to butcher those networks.. Well actually I still have the originals, just decided to build my own...

    And now that I'm contemplating buying a pair of L86's soon (and perhaps even a pair of L96's, L112's, and maybe even some 4412's; I'll explian later..) was wondering if it would be a good idea to upgrade the L15/L86's 034 tweeters.

    Also, been wanting to ask what the audible differences are between the 033/044/066 as they have all sounded similiar to me... Although I've seemed to like the 044 the best, any truth to this?

    And what makes the 044Ti that much better than the 035Ti?? Any reason why the 044Tis sell for amazing amounts on Ebay.. I've always preferred the 035Ti.. and have swapped them out for dead LE20/LE25 variants with no complaints even with modest networks backing them up... in fact they have always sounded better to me this way...

    So amoungst the 033/044/066, or 035Ti, which should I try in my L15's/L86's first?? Or would it not be worth the effort and should I just be content with my 034's? Am just looking for the "best" tweeter amoungst this group that I could work around..

    Rest assured that I will be doing some crossover tweaking as I've never liked the way 80's JBL sounded, but the drivers were still superb and in many ways better than the drivers they built in the 70's (well not really, just can't afford the compression drivers/horns and those neat 075/077 tweeters). just never been anamored with the "warm" sounding JBL's of the 80's, which was never a driver issue, but a differnt school of thought at JBL in crossover design theory.. Some liked the more neutral flat response, others were not able to conform to this idea, me being one of them . Stubborn I guess.


    For my den: small room, very live, the L36's were too overbearing... hence I've sold them...

    Still wondering if a system like the L26 or L40 might be the way to go for me as you all have raved about how well JBL 2-ways perform..

    Been contemplating a custom LE10H; 044/035Ti 2-way, but not sure how the LE10H's would perform given more upper bass/lower mid duty... Anyone tested them wide-open to see where their usable frequency range is.. The 10" round 125A's and 127A(H)'s have always tested good up to 2000 Hz, but I've preferred the bass of the LE10H's.. more articulate and less fatigue.

    What you guys think??

    My HT room: Medium and BIG...

    Why all the speakers you ask, building a 7.1 set-up soon and I'd like all the speakers to come close to timbre matching one another... and I'd also like to set-up a "reference" speaker for my critical listening for 2 channel sources. Been out of the hobby for sometime with work/school etc.. and now have a large home and an accepting wife ... Don't ask about what amp/pre etc.. Haven't decided on that until I got my speakers set...

    Before my hiatus I owned some SERIOUS audio gear, had a major surgery and had to sell everything off. Not enough room to list in my sig... just my recent speaker systems, but I've owned the best, and amazingly, I've always come back to JBL.. especially now...

    I have 2 HSU HRSW12V(a) subs powered by 2 250 watt amps.. They will do the job just fine for what I am planning, and believe me will outperform any JBL sub at this price point (paid $499 each for them back in 96.) Actually, I've never been greatly impressed with any JBL home subwoofer for HT settings... Any truth to this??


    My reference speakers:

    I start with the best possible driver combo for what I need and then build a crossover to suit my needs from there.. As I said earlier, unfortunately my needs and what the designers at JBL had in mind as the public's need in the 80's aren't one in the same.. About the "best" sounding JBL I've heard is the L300.. And to those who have bashed the L100, try out the 4312... with the newer ferritte LE5-6/8/10/12 mids, if still too bright the 104H's will do the trick, and better yet, the newest version with the 035Ti tweeters, a few of you guys might wonder why JBL has spent so much time and effort designing and building such intricate networks... About the best "studio bookshelf monitor" that I've owned has been the 4312A...

    My reference speakers are in the works, they'll be revolving around a pair of Altec 414-8C woofers.. I gotta have them... Wish I could go with bigger 15" woofers, or just a pick up a pair of Altec 19's (my favorite vintage speaker) and be done with it, but then where's the fun in that??

    Audio gear to be named later, testing with a Nakamichi PA-7 and Phase Linear 2000 pre... Sony CDPC701ES CD player... Don't laugh guys, but this combo worked the best with my L300's (even after trying some big $$ gear) so I figured why not start with this set-up, can always upgrade when I get my speakers close to where I want them..

    Have already built custom 4 cu. ft. (internal volume) speaker cabinets to work with, they still need to be veneered etc, Tried JBL 2213H's. 128H's etc... nothing "got me" until I ran across these 12" Altec's. They are as good as it can possibly get, at least for me, in the room I will be using them.... Reminds me of the Altec 19's I once had, and in a 12" woofer nonetheless. Am currently using 104H's and 035Ti's with makeshift networks and they are not too shabby... Now to timbre match via the crossover, this may take decades, lol... they are nowhere near where I'd like them... but as long as I'm making progress.

    Sorry guys for being long-winded here, just can't wait to get all of this done... Can't wait to read your comments.. be sure to go easy on me..

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    But Inspector,wouldn't the need be to that of the room vs speaker make,size,cabinet and YOUR ears and soul being the delights to accomplish? When your hairs stand up and you have a grin a wet one won't erase,quite possibly you may have hit the right combination??



    What do I know? Nothing,except the excitement of that breath of quick air in the mike and the quickslide down the fret....to the next interlude. And alot of screaming into the air very high up,with a dance to go with it.
    Then,come back and tell,and just see who it is that won't be easy on you. For shame,it's your system and your sound. I love mine. You obviously love yours. Build it and play.

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    Thanks for the vote of confidence, am working on it, and thats half the fun!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Inspector34 View Post
    Before my hiatus....
    Do you mean the first time you were suspended, Nightbrace, or ultimately, when you were banned for life and "GONE FOR GOOD?"

    SO, you're going to use this altie as a backdoor to restart your infinite poseur crapfest here?

    [I know, I know, I'm a BAD person.... ]

    http://audioheritage.org/vbulletin/s...ad.php?t=10993

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    is there a sock puppet amongst us?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Zilch View Post
    Do you mean the first time you were suspended, Nightbrace, or ultimately, when you were banned for life and "Gone for GOOD?"

    SO, you're going to use this altie as a backdoor to restart your infinite poseur crapfest here?

    [I know, I know, I'm a BAD person.... ]
    Nah - you jest din't feed 'em enuff line before ya reeled him in ...
    you big ol' buzz-killer you ...
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    What's this all about?? Who is Nightbrace??

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    Quote Originally Posted by louped garouv View Post



    is there a sock puppet amongst us?

    he's under my bed with some dust bunnies....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Inspector34 View Post
    What's this all about?? Who is Nightbrace??
    Refresh your recollection here:

    http://audioheritage.org/vbulletin/s...050#post146050

    The answer is Pete & Pete.

    [Nobody got the Velociraptor one, though.... ]

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    Ok, not sure what thats all about... My ex-roommate set-up an account for me and said that I could use it, I've very rarely even visited these forums, and have only posted a few times.

    If I recall he did use my account from time to time as he said that he was banned, apparantly this Nightbrace is him?? Or is it Storm?? Anyways I know this person has NO access to this account as I changed the password..

    If you guys wish for me to set up a new account as to not be associated with this person I understand...

    He's a really good friend and got me into this whole audio thing years ago... Am married now with my first born on the way.. I see him from time to time, and I've purchased a bunch of things from him, including the amp/pre I have now.. he really knows his stuff and not really sure why he was banned, but I just hope that no one associates me with him, by the looks of things he was not well liked here .

    Am also good friends with the owner/operator of commonsenseaudio.com., not sure if he has an account here or not, but he too knows his stuff... So I do know a thing or 2 about audio... Trying to buy a pair of L88's and contemplating a pair of L86's...

    Moderators, is there anyway I can erase this account and start a "FRESH" one.. Thanks, Pete...

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    "Pete," is it, then?


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    Thats my name ,, whats so funny??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Inspector34 View Post
    Ok, not sure what thats all about... My ex-roommate set-up an account for me and said that I could use it, I've very rarely even visited these forums, and have only posted a few times.

    Moderators, is there anyway I can erase this account and start a "FRESH" one.. Thanks, Pete...
    If your ex-roommate was in Urbana, that might explain things a bit...

    He's a really good friend and got me into this whole audio thing years ago... Am married now with my first born on the way.. I see him from time to time, and I've purchased a bunch of things from him, including the amp/pre I have now.. he really knows his stuff and not really sure why he was banned, but I just hope that no one associates me with him, by the looks of things he was not well liked here .
    http://www.audioheritage.org/vbullet...ad.php?t=14438

    I have 2 HSU HRSW12V(a) subs powered by 2 250 watt amps...(paid $499 each for them back in 96.)
    ...Nightbrace would have been, what, 11 years old in '96?

    je

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    Wow, I'm sorry Fred, do you need me to track him down so that you can get whats owed to you?? Did you ever wind up getting the cloth??

    Yeah, went to grad school for Aerospace Engineering at U of I in Urbana, IL... and yes, we were both Pete and Pete fans, especially since I have the same name .. hence this nick of Inspector34.. My roommate was young, about 22??

    I'm not too sure, I am a bit older, but definitely not wiser. (he was one extremely smart and cool guy).. but not too sure what to think after reading that... now I see why he was banned... I'll see if I can get ahold of him to find out whats going on if you guys would like...

    I'd like to have no association with him on these forums, so I think it would be best to cancel my account and start a new one, can I do that??

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    This thread will be closed and deleted. That moniker will be banned as a sock puppet account.

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