"Jerry Day" 2007

[richluvsound]

Hey Bo,

is that the lab grummpen stuff driving the array ? whats the verdict on it ?

Rich

[boputnam]

...is that the lab grummpen stuff driving the array ? whats the verdict on it ?

Yea, Rich, it certainly is.

I thought they sounded great - terrific, actually. The contractor has only recently gone to them - they are being integrated with the L-Acoustics line(s).

According to the contractor's head systems engineer, the Lab Gruppen is a whole renewed experience in high end detail and output. The power amps previously deployed (better not be mentioned, here...) had lots of muscle, but lacked the clarity of these Lab Gruppen. He is really happy to be using them.

[Andyoz]

I did notice that L-Acoustics amps looked suspiciously like rebadged Lab Gruppen units.

p.s. what "package" have you got running on that laptop in the first photo?

[richluvsound]

Hey Bo,

sorry for the spelling errors, Grummpen and all that . I was close though

I had heard good things. I dont know what they retail for there but, they are some serious sterling this side the pond.

Rich

[boputnam]

Yea, they are pricy here, but have incredibly strong reviews by people who's ears I respect! And, these guys hear more systems every week then I do in a year.

That said, no-one that I know has A/B'd them against QSC, which would be interesting (to me...). The listening test reports on each are very similar.

[Andyoz]

Rich,

You may want to check out these websites (the second one has some old Lab Gruppen gear)

http://www.bobkelly.co.uk/new/products.htm

http://www.concert-systems.com/hotdeals/hotdeals.html

[mikebake]

How is this event funded?

[boputnam]

How is this event funded?

Hey, Mike...

Funded solely by donations - cash and in-kind...

[Andyoz]

Hey Bo,

is that the lab grummpen stuff driving the array ? whats the verdict on it ?

Rich

We use a Bruel & Kjaer "badged" power amp as part of our sound insulation test kit, here it is.



I always wondered what actual make it was and now I know the answer, it's a Lab Gruppen iP 450.

[Andyoz]

Me neither...

the dVSub is not my favorite. It has three 15" drivers firing into a manifold. It generates good bass, but I struggled to get any tonality from them. I don't know what the thinking is - they certainly cannot match the SB218 for output.

Just talked to the sound system contractor. They said they use the DV-Sub between approx. 40-80Hz and the SB218's between approx. 25-60Hz. They have used the combo before and find it gives incredible bass "punch" with great headroom.

They also said they wanted to "fly" the ARCS but the client didn't want it!!

I've also got a freeby copy of SounVision off them.

Anyway, it will all be clear in approx. 4 weeks when the venue opens. Dublin's going through a strange phase where several key venues are closed for refurbishment and they all trying to outdo each other for sound systems. The No. 1 venue, Vicar Street runs a Meyer Melodie system.

[boputnam]

They also said they wanted to "fly" the ARCS but the client didn't want it!!

Vertical dispersion won't require it - the ARCS are -20°/+40° so sitting on the stage up-right, is about perfect. If they were flown, they'd have to invert them (commonly done).

Thanks for the update. Looking forward to the next!

Very much wish I could visit this place...

[Andyoz]

Vertical dispersion won't require it - the ARCS are -20°/+40° so sitting on the stage up-right, is about perfect. If they were flown, they'd have to invert them (commonly done).

Yes, they stated they would have inverted the ARC's if flown. Flying them would have given better coverage to the balcony with less reliance on the balcony fills (I hate using fills TBH).

The main reason they went away from flying them is there will be times when the balcony is empty and they wanted a system that was partially "zoned", i.e. they have bar areas that they want to have some control on noise spill into, etc.

[boputnam]

Audience tape from Jerry Day 2007 - ARCS in action...

Workingman's Ed - He's Gone clip...

[scott fitlin]

Yea, they are pricy here, but have incredibly strong reviews by people who's ears I respect! And, these guys hear more systems every week then I do in a year.

That said, no-one that I know has A/B'd them against QSC, which would be interesting (to me...). The listening test reports on each are very similar.

EVERY pro sound person I know who uses Lab swears by them.

[mikebake]

Hey, Mike...

Funded solely by donations - cash and in-kind...

Nice; no door, then. A lot of the stuff I do is that way.