Beyma 15B100R

[Motus]

Why would anyone who value the qualities of JBL drivers would go out of their way to get clones or inferior products? Is it because some are cheaper? JBL quality comes at a price but that price is far from being expensive: it is the price of quality. It's true for JBL and for any other maker in any other field. A Steinway is a Steinway is a Steinway, period. If anything, it highlights the outrageous margin the cheap stuff is making on unsuspecting buyers... Many indeed are fakes, just like fake Hermes bags and should follow the same fate than fake Rolex watches at the border. It is also because of these subpar products invasion that we amateurs are deprived of the great, cheaper -check the price tag of the Fostex tweeters- tweeters such as 2402, 2404 and 2405. I was told by someone at JBL that they became too expensive to produce compared to the competition. This search for the cheapest thrill is simply killing legitimate businesses, that yes make a profit, should make a profit because they deserve to make a good living selling good products. Sorry for the rant but this is a sticky point with me.

[pos]

I am willing to pay the price for real JBL, but I have yet to find a 2235H pair in france...
I have been watching ebay.fr day and nigth for more than 6 months now, looking for a 2235H pair in good shape.
I found these beyma and bougth them, so I can try things, and resell them when I find THE JBLs one day.
Sell me your 2235Hs (with free shipping), and I am okay to burn thoses nasty clones for you!

[pos]

Here are th T/S and distortion curves of the Beyma 15B100R.
This PDF cannot be found on the web anymore.

[timc]

I have listened to some time on a subsystem consisting of two 5x12" beyma subtowers. The system was driven by a Crown I-tech 6000. The result was very good. Flat to about 16Hz with a bit of EQ. Thes system was an ELF construction, and the woofers worked up to about 100Hz.


-Tim

[Hoerninger]

The result was very good.

The are quite a few speaker manufacturers and you can successfully use their speakers.
But when looking for a substitute it is often very difficulty.
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Peter

[timc]

That is very true. On that subject, how do you think the P.audio version of the 2241 and 2226 would work? http://www.p-audio.co.uk/products/db_1_5.htm



-Tim

[Hoerninger]

... how do you think the P.audio version ... would work?

Tim,
I do not dare to say anything about it as I have no experience with these speakers.
This statement does not prevent me from bying speakers by specsheets. I compare the specs (and prize) and look what is more or less important for me. It is a question of compromises.
Luckily the last time I did it the result showd what was expected. (not intended as hi-end)
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Peter

[Earl K]

Here are th T/S and distortion curves of the Beyma 15B100R.
This PDF cannot be found on the web anymore.

Thanks for that . It's always nice to have this info on file .

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[Earl K]

That is very true. On that subject, how do you think the P.audio version of the 2241 and 2226 would work?

Both mentioned examples ( copies ) have shorter voice coils than the JBL originals . This reduces available "engine - stroke" and limits the Xmax spec. / which is important to those who desire big , loud bass .

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[Earl K]

The are quite a few speaker manufacturers and you can successfully use their speakers.
But when looking for a substitute it is often very difficulty.

- Perhaps someone over there ( within the "EU" area ) should contact B&C speakers . Tell them their basic "15tbx100" offering is just begging to be modified into either a clone of the 1500sub or the 1500Fe/ME150h hifi woofer . The requisite changes ( which ought to be made at the factory level ) are raising all the compliances ( as well as, mass loading the cone when building up the 1500sub "standin" ) .


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[Ian Mackenzie]

Earl,

I very much doubt this particular driver was ever meant to be anything other then a hifi woofer least of all a 2235H replacement.

According to well imformed sources the the T/L of P Audio is all over the place in production .

The Tad 1603 would be an interesting replacement, altough it needs a large box.

[Hoerninger]

Earl,
...anything other then a hifi woofer least of all a 2235H replacement.

I have only read "just begging to be modified" with changes in compliance and mass loading.
Compared to many others it is an interesting speaker:
BL = 25,5 Tm
Xmax = +/-9 mm
QTS = 0,28
Mms = 163 g
Fs = 35 Hz

According to well imformed sources the the T/L of P Audio is all over the place in production .

Query mind wants to know a more specific type, thank you.
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Peter

[Ian Mackenzie]

Must be a lanuage barrier.

Extreme Example Fs varies 100% of the spec sheet from one driver of same model to another.

[Hoerninger]

Must be a lanuage barrier.

Yes. Neither
http://pda.leo.org/ ,
http://www.dict.cc/ ,
any acronymfinder nor
Wikipedia
offered any help.
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Peter