Signatures

[kingjames]

I have noticed recently that there is alot of banning going on here. Off topic, now Avatar's and signatures,what's next?

I also have noticed that most of this banning has only one cause,(all these issues are disruptive according to some).

When I read a post I am tuned to the content in the post and a signature only gets in the way the first time I read it and after that it doesn't concern me because I already read it. It's like chewing bubblegum and rubbing you're stomach at the same time. I guess it's just too difficult for some.

I like my Avatar as it is a pleasure to look at my grandchildren when I post as it alleviate's some of the stuff that goes on here.

You are making this forum too restrictive and I think future contributions will start to reflect this.

This place survives on donations from people like me who haven't the knowledge to discuss (diy) projects. I also feel that donations are a give back to the forum for allowing people like me to come here once and a while to meet other people with the same interest's.Understand that I don't need to meet people here as I do have a life beyond this forum but it is a nice change from everything else.

I don't want to start a war here but like I said before a forum should be informative,self supporting, fun,and most of all a place you really want to be and not necessarily in that order.

Many times I have read that other forums do things one way and they don't have issue's. I guess this is fine if you want to be a follower all you're life.I always thought that this forum in particular was a leader in the field.

Too many rules will start to yield too few donations.It is becoming a matter of principal anymore. My reflection in this post is not directed towards any one individual and as a peon I must submit to the higher rule as I know I am only here because they allow it.

I do give my thanks for being here and being a part of this community but now with all these rules you are making it impossible to want to be here.

I must also agree with Source that some signatures were down right provocative in their wording and it didn't take a rocket scientist to figure out who was on the other end of them.

Too few here are held accountable for their actions.The end result being that everyone suffer's.

In the end I will submit like I always do, I have removed my short signature 10 minutes after Don posted his restrictions. I will also remove my Avatar within minutes the moment they are banned and I will remove myself within minutes should you think that I need to be banned.

[edgewound]

Why is it when the site's Owner/Administrator makes a suggestion to streamline the operation of threads and conserve resources, there seems to be a backlash against his "heavy-handed" tactics. Why all the complaining? What's the big deal? Maybe there's problems caused by the repetitive nature mentioned, and we don't really need a dissertation as to what the problems are....do we?

If you feel the need to put a novel's worth of philosophy attached in every post and how big and bitchin your system is, it's kind of like watching someone wave their arms for attention whenever they talk...it get's a little old and annoying. List it in your profile where anyone can take a look if they care too.

I happen to like the Avatar's. It shows some personality, identity, sense of humor, creativity, sentimentality, etc....it adds a touch of humanness to the site and it's members.

More moderation with the tools availed to you will result in less moderating needed by the moderators.

[jim campbell]

I guess I missed some action earlier.

Don's stated purpose is clear and, though cumbersome in implementation, easy to follow.

As for the ensuing discussion, my hope is that "let's ban it" does not become the outcome to every solution that's looking for a problem.

it seems that's the way were headed..........

[jim campbell]

hey edgewound...........perhaps you should stop calling the kettle black......king james has voiced his opinion and i for one agree with him.............if you are going to take him to task for the length of his posts then why do you bore us with your wedding album...........the same guys who were so happy to lose the off topic section seem to have no problem churning up the forum with all kinds of off topic stuff whenever and wherever they want but the rest of us have to endure lectures for the same thing from those very people...........or is this just a return to high school where the popular kids get to do as they please because theyre just so darn cute

[edgewound]

hey edgewound...........perhaps you should stop calling the kettle black......king james has voiced his opinion and i for one agree with him.............if you are going to take him to task for the length of his posts then why do you bore us with your wedding album...........the same guys who were so happy to lose the off topic section seem to have no problem churning up the forum with all kinds of off topic stuff whenever and wherever they want but the rest of us have to endure lectures for the same thing from those very people...........or is this just a return to high school where the popular kids get to do as they please because theyre just so darn cute

Hey Jim...

If the forum would like to see my wedding announcement and pics deleted, so be it....take 'em down. I won't raise a complaint.

Apparently, you were interested enough to look at my wedding pics. Why didn't you just ignore it?

Sorry if I offended you by defending the sites' owner.

Moderators:

If you find my wedding pics offensive and a waste of bandwidth....Just delete the whole thread to make jimcampbell happy.

BTW...my post wasn't aimed at kingjames in particular. My post is to convey that the forum is provided for us guests. You shouldn't complain about someone's home decor....just don't go to their house anymore if you don't like it.

[jim campbell]

i dont.......what i find offensive is the notion that some guys on the forum seem to think that only the subjects that matter to them are relevent and that everyone else's opinion is somehow less than so.take a look around and you see over and over the same guys that wanted to dump the ot section going off on tangents then chastizing others for the same thing.if its bandwith issue then the powers that be can say so and have done with it.but ever since the debate over the ot section we have seen the heavy hand of ban this and that appear often enough for some including myself to notice.

normally i would not be inclined to mention your wedding pix because i think i am grown up enough to understand even if they were of no interest to some that lots of others on the forum would like to see them........but its a two way street.

[kingjames]

I happen to like the Avatar's. It shows some personality, identity, sense of humor, creativity, sentimentality, etc....it adds a touch of humanness to the site and it's members.

I think these same words can apply to a signature. If you read my post again,you will see that I like my Avatar as well. I don't flaunt what I own and actually have a very small system.

The humanness as you call it is slowly being removed from this forum.The human element as I recall was flat out rejected by a very senior member here.My humanness has always told me to discuss things that I don't agree with.My humanness has also told me to respect what people say even if I don't agree with what they're saying. How soon we forget other threads.Don't nick pick on my post as you're defintion of what I wrote is totally wrong

I have never seen a place where people read something then complain that it was there to read.

Let's try you're first solution going back to Dos, but then there would be complaints about people not knowing what executable file to open.

Complaints are a normal way of working things out,it is an avenue to work toward's better solutions and isin't that what everyone wants?

How else do idea's come about, isin't it by discussion, isin't it by disagreements,etc;.

You can not change what a person is or the way they think and they shouldn't be subjected to ridicule when they question a particular action. After all this is their humanness that you talk about.

[scott fitlin]

I like my avatar, and I have a simple signature, and re-reading Dons post tells me you can still have yours too. But, there are size limits now. Thats all.

And you know what? I back Don up on this, signatures should not be a full posts worth of characters long. Its should be exactly what the word signature means, a signature, not a biography of your life!

Umm, about Edgewounds wedding pics. I think they should stay. This is wonderful stuff that really does belong in Forum Announcements.

ITS WHEN THREADS GET NASTY AND CONFONTATIONAL THAT IT IS DETERMINED THEY DONT BELONG! Or even when people use their signatures to send out mesages to other members in code, ya know?

By the way, KingJames, I love your avatar with your grandchildren, it SHOULD stay!

But, how would you feel about someone using a porn pic as their avatar?

Different things get handled and treated differently!

[kingjames]

But, how would you feel about someone using a porn pic as their avatar?

If it included Pam Anderson you would have no complaint from me,however you're point is well taken and thanks.

[scott fitlin]

If it included Pam Anderson you would have no complaint from me,however you're point is well taken and thanks.

Agreed some are more open to more than others, however, as much as I or yourself may not mind a pic of Pam Anderson, we must keep somewhat of a conduct code, because this is a public forum.

You really would'nt want your grandkids, or anyone elses to happen across things not really suitable for them? As well as the sites owner setting the forums manner of conduct.

[jim campbell]

Umm, about Edgewounds wedding pics. I think they should stay. This is wonderful stuff that really does belong in Forum Announcements.



Different things get handled and treated differently!

...........as it should be.............where i part company is when the same stuff by different folks is treated differently.like i said i have no problem with the pix but if guys are gonna get called for voicing an opinion,and a valid one at that then others are gonna get called for their stuff.we just had this debate culminating with the loss of the ot section........so now if its gonna be okay for some to wander then its gotta be okay for the rest of us.just because a post is of no interest to one does not mean its irrelevent to all. it seems that if you have an early enough date on your avatar the rules are different

[kingjames]

Scotty, I would never question Don's authority to do with his forum what he wants to do with it.This is a wonderful place he's created for everyone.

The meaning of my post was to maybe include some of us members on ways to make things happen in a better way and not use the word ban to automatically solve all problems.

I take the heat for anything that I have caused and wish some members would do the same,that's all.

[scott fitlin]

I hear you guys. I dont think the " Just ban It " is really whats going on or happening. Or even the complete answer to everything.

I do think that in trying to keep some threads civil, and the same things happening time after time, frustration sets in.

Sometimes limits have to be imposed.

[edgewound]

...I will also remove my Avatar within minutes the moment they are banned and I will remove myself within minutes should you think that I need to be banned.

Kingjames....I love you, man...

Jim Campbell....same to you....

My impression of your posts and opinions was that THE MAN is spoiling your party...again. It just seemed alarmist, is all.

This site is terrific....full of lots of great info, and great people including you guys.

I don't claim to be one of the "popular" kids... I always despised that kind of politics and I still do.

My opinion is just as valid as yours is....and I stated it. My intention was never to attack anyone's opinion....I apologize if it came off that way.

[kingjames]

Now that's the Edgewound I have known. I know I'm the liberal here and I think my fault lies in what I want to say maybe with the wrong words is all. I want this to be a fun place to come to and shoot the shit so the speak.

No offense taken Edgewound and like I said in you're wedding post, I still hope you and you're pretty magnet3 have a most joyous life together. Jim