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    How good will this speaker sound?

    This person is local to me:

    http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...6980&rd=1&rd=1

    Although i asked him if I can stop by, he has not responded.
    Given the information on the ebay post - can you tell me what to expect from such a speaker (assuming fully functional)

    What I would be comparing them to (which are in my system) is 1977 Klipsch Khorns with upgraded ALK Crossovers.

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    I can't access ebay while I am at work - can you tell me more info about the speaker? You're in my part of the world ... (Balt/Wash area)


    Quote Originally Posted by dkalsi View Post
    This person is local to me:

    http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...6980&rd=1&rd=1

    Although i asked him if I can stop by, he has not responded.
    Given the information on the ebay post - can you tell me what to expect from such a speaker (assuming fully functional)

    What I would be comparing them to (which are in my system) is 1977 Klipsch Khorns with upgraded ALK Crossovers.
    2ch: RPi-4, Oppo, Acurus RL-11, TFM-25, 2pr JBL L212, Heath Valencias,Von Schw VR4
    7: Oppo BDP103D, B&K, UREI 809A, JBL B460,

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    Here is from the ad:

    Title "Altec Lansing A-7 A7 VOTT" - SUPERB CONDITION

    Here are the Altec components in each A7 speaker:
    * 416-8A woofer
    * 808-8A horn driver
    * 511B horn
    * N501-8A dividing network
    * Voice of the Theatre cabinet
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    Quote Originally Posted by dkalsi View Post
    What I would be comparing them to (which are in my system) is 1977 Klipsch Khorns with upgraded ALK Crossovers.
    There are Altec heads who will undoubtedly disagree with me, but I think that a properly functioning K-horn will sound better in the typical domestic setting than a properly functioning Altec A-7. I am aware of the ALK crossovers but have never heard them, but I would assume this mod will make the Klipschorns sound even a bit better.

    Both of these systems have strengths and weaknesses, however by it's very nature, the Klipschorn should sound better. It was designed from the start to be a domestic high fidelity reproducer. The Altec A-7 was designed for theater use. In comparing the La Scala with the Altec, I may lean toward the A-7.

    The Klipschorn will certainly have deeper bass, and with the K-77 tweeter it will have better highs. (There has recently been a local campaign on this forum to bash the lowly K-77 (T35A), but it really isn't all that bad... and typically sounds better than many other solutions I have heard.)


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Widget View Post
    The Klipschorn will certainly have deeper bass, and with the K-77 tweeter it will have better highs. (There has recently been a local campaign on this forum to bash the lowly K-77 (T35A), but it really isn't all that bad... and typically sounds better than many other solutions I have heard.)


    Widget
    Widget -

    So, you dont think I need to run out and change my tweeter on my Valencias?

    It is a great tweeter -- Jack and others think it is a piece of shit.

    What are your thoughts?

    Thanks.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Storm View Post
    Widget -
    So, you dont think I need to run out and change my tweeter on my Valencias?
    It is a great tweeter -- Jack and others think it is a piece of shit.
    What are your thoughts?
    Thanks. -Storm
    Storm - the most important ears in your house are YOURS!
    If you like the speakers and the way they sound, the rest of the world is moot!

    In this situation, it IS all about you!

    Enjoy!
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    7: Oppo BDP103D, B&K, UREI 809A, JBL B460,

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    Sorry ALL BUT, MUST EVERY THREAD MORPH towards Storms Speakers?

    I am all for getting a solution to the Valencia questions but not at the cost of Hijacking any thread that remotely touches on the subject!

    Gary

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gary L View Post
    Sorry ALL BUT, MUST EVERY THREAD MORPH towards Storms Speakers?

    I am all for getting a solution to the Valencia questions but not at the cost of Hijacking any thread that remotely touches on the subject!

    Gary
    I did not hijack the thread.

    I simply replied to a statement made by Widget, that's all.

    Get over it.



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    "Get over it"! Some advice you should think about yourself!

    I'd like to know what in the world your speakers have to do with the question asked in post # 1 of this thread?

    As I clearly stated, I have no problems with your questions but I think the over 730 posts in your original thread ought to be sufficient on that subject considering we are all still there and still working toward a solution.

    Gary

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    Back on tropic: VOTTs do not translate well to Hi-Fi use.

    We have some ideas as to how to "Fix" them, tho.

    And off topic again: T-35s populate audio hobbyist's junk tweeter boxes the world over....

    Storm: You just did listening comparisons of three different tweeters in/on Valencias last weekend, including your own. If you can't decide what you like on the basis of that, certainly nobody who HASN'T heard them in your system can help you with it....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zilch View Post
    Back on tropic: VOTTs do not translate well to Hi-Fi use. IMHO
    fixed it for you Zilch.....

    after all what does "translate well" really mean....

    depending on what you like to listen to normally, they could fit the bill....

    I like them (VOTTS) a lot listening to classic rock or dance music (disco, house, breaks, etc)

    for classical and early blues, I think they hold their own too...

    but I do like a pair of Wharfedale Airedales I have in that duty
    (which are reputed, on the web at least, to have been designed with
    a pair of Khorns nearby)

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    I don't think Widget was at all off on his assessment. I love the A7s and they do have a place but I seriously disagree that place is in a standard home setting.
    These are large speaker and designed for an entirely different setting where they excell and do what they are intended for.
    True, many who have them, love them but the fact remains, the A7 was never intended for domestic environs in the A7 form.

    I won't go into what is or what is not VOTT but you can basically judge the system by it's dress and any speaker Altec made that is in a utility dress will most likely be better suited for utility usage unless you happen to adore that type of sound stage at home.

    True they did make many models that had some dual purposes and the same stuff in different cabinets but I don't know of any that did not incorporate some change dependent upon their intended environment wheather it was in the XO, cabinet structure or the actual drivers used.

    A 7s were utility and KHorns were Home!

    If you want to compare Khorns to Altecs then try a set of 19s or Magnificents where the playing field is at least level.

    Gary

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    We obviously have differing views as to the definition of "Hi-Fi."

    From Wikipedia:

    "High fidelity or hi-fi reproduction is a term used by home stereo listeners and home audio enthusiasts (audiophiles) to refer to high-quality reproduction of sound or images that is very faithful to the original master recording."

    "High fidelity equipment has minimal or unnoticeable amounts of noise and distortion and an accurate frequency response as set out in 1973 by the German Deutsches Institut für Normung (DIN) standard DIN 45500."

    "The equipment must also provide no noticeable distortion of the signal or emphasis or de-emphasis of any frequency in this frequency range."

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    but a D31050M is Hi-Fi, isn't it?

    How about a Paragon, Hi-Fi?

    my point being, "high quality" sound reproduction is somewhat subjective,
    and a flat graph isn't what everyone is looking for....

    right?

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    What people are looking for does not define the standard. Generally speaking, however, that would be flat response, anyway.

    http://www.harman.com/wp/pdf/AudioScience.pdf

    Google is failing me today re: DIN 45500; I'd like to know what it actually says.

    In any case, if "No noticeable emphasis or de-emphasis of any frequency" or "Faithful to the original master recording" is the definition, VOTT most certainly does not qualify as Hi-Fi unless "fixed."

    You're gonna have to remind me what D31050M is.

    With respect to Paragon, I'm in enough trouble with that already.

    [I don't know how it actually measures....]

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