Artists/Groups you cant stand ?

[SEAWOLF97]

I greatly admire Jimmy Pages work with LZ , BUT ..

the last time I saw him (tho on TV) was at the Beijing Olympics opening (closing ?)
ceremony playing atop a parade float like some kind of decoration , completely
drowned out by the other music/sounds. It was kind of a pathetic image.

[Kay Pirinha]

the last time I saw him (tho on TV) was at the Beijing Olympics opening (closing ?)
ceremony playing atop a parade float like some kind of decoration , completely
drowned out by the other music/sounds. It was kind of a pathetic image.

Right, this was part of the announcement for the succeeding 2012 Summer Olympics at London.

I think JP has retired as a musician and completely resorted to administering the LZ heritage.

Best regards!

[Fritz The Cat]

Sorry, USA, but this one is also an incredible US-MOR jazz production. This guitar player was one of the best! But what crap did he (synthesize) produce! A typical child of the 80ies. It's the same miserable story we know from those capable guitar players/entertainers as George Benson, Pat Metheny and all these formidable vocalists as Bobby Mc Ferrin, Al Jarreau et al. What waste of talents in USA, just for the money...
Don't listen to "I heard it through the grapevine" B2. It's the ultimate sin...

[BMWCCA]

Grammy awards (same as academy awards, btw) are given just for maximum sales numbers, aren't they? That is, the probability of achieving such an award is just a factor of how one manages to adress the mass audiences, of how close his/her product is to the mainstream? Do you presume that the masses have any clue about musical/artistic quality? That they are even able, or willing, to listen to music concentratedly? So, are Grammy awards really a benchmark when it goes to quality? It's the quality vs. quantity debate, isn't it?

My assumption was that this is a conversation open to all forum members and you are asking legitimate question. I'm happy to supply some answers. Please note I am not arguing whether the music you chose to nominate in this thread is vapid—or not!

But, since you asked:
GRAMMY AWARDS VOTING PROCESS
The process begins with members and record companies submitting entries, which are then screened for eligibility and category placement. The Academy's voting members, all involved in the creative and technical processes of recording, then participate in (1) the nominating process that determines the five finalists in each category; and (2) the final voting process which determines the GRAMMY winners.

[Kay Pirinha]

Most probably you're right. Most probably you, as an United Statesian, have more clue than me about the Grammy. Anyway, the outcome of processes like these directly leads to the suspicion that sales numbers are the main, or sole, driver.

Here in Europe we also have similar dubious events. They also adress the mainstream and aim at huge sales numbers (and should be avoided by those who prefer music as an artistic event over music as an industrial product).

Best regards!

[Fritz The Cat]

Hate: MOR, stadium rock, not playing rock'n'roll in the 80ies, over-produced in the 80ies, "no street credibility" (whatever this may have meant to be),...
Love: Cover art, vocal harmonies, distinctive lead vocals, superb musicians, songs with melodies, the records in the seventies. So this 2LP compilation shows the "rock'n roll"-decade indeed, recorded from 1971 until 1979. "157 Riverside Avenue" C3 shows their rough live qualities.

[Kay Pirinha]

In general, the most creative, experimental, fruitful, diversified, and artistic decade in popular and rock music was between 1965 (with The Beatles' Rubber Soul and Revolver albums) and 1975. Then, with the advent of disco music and punk, the downhill commenced. Music was to degenerate, options of higher quality disappeared almost completely, and this degeneration even accelerated dramatically in the 1080ies when polyphonic synthesizers became affordable and swamped the market. No more real drums, no more imaginative guitar soli, no more Hammond organs and pianos, no more Mellotrons, just boring drum machines and synthesized noisiness. Uglyness in persona!

Best regards!

[BMWCCA]

Most probably you're right. Most probably you, as an United Statesian, have more clue than me about the Grammy. Anyway, the outcome of processes like these directly leads to the suspicion that sales numbers are the main, or sole, driver.

I don't disagree. My quote was the result of a Google search. If it is on the Internet, it must be true!

[Fritz The Cat]

I don't disagree. My quote was the result of a Google search. If it is on the Internet, it must be true!

Haha. You must be joking. Scherzkeks! Internet and truth? When www was developed at CERN/Geneva/Switzerland in 1989 everybody thought, that there will never ever be something wrong with it...

[SEAWOLF97]

The process begins with members and record companies submitting entries, which are then screened for eligibility and category placement. The Academy's voting members, all involved in the creative and technical processes of recording, then participate in (1) the nominating process that determines the five finalists in each category; and (2) the final voting process which determines the GRAMMY winners.

. . .Cross is currently the only artist in Grammy history to win all four General Field awards in a single ceremony,

so, if that's the process AND CC's massive victory is correct , how did that happen ????? Was he so much better than everyone else ? Was it a bad year for the competition ? Was it rigged ? Was this just an outlier ?

[SEAWOLF97]

So this album was a huge seller , I see copies everywhere.

People evidently expected Simon & Garfunkle music , but if you look at the track listing,
there really is little new from S&G (who i do enjoy) , so .... did mostly the cover sell the album ??? (almost all their songs were available on other albums)

OBTW: much of the film was shot in my hometown , us locals kinda laughed at the geography inconsistencies.


According to a 2008 Vanity Fair piece by Sam Kashner about the making of the film, progress on the music was not smooth. The meticulous Simon managed to complete only one song, “Punky’s Dilemma,” which Nichols rejected for use in the movie.

However, Nichols and his editor Sam O’Steen proceeded with the cutting of the picture using extant Simon & Garfunkel numbers as temp tracks: “The Sound of Silence,” the 1965 number that became the act’s breakthrough hit (after a remix by producer Tom Wilson that added a rock bottom to the song); the English folk adaptation “Scarborough Fair/Canticle” and Simon’s “The Big Bright Green Pleasure Machine,” both from the 1966 album “Parsley, Sage, Rosemary and Thyme”; and the “Scarborough Fair” single B-side “April Come She Will.”

https://variety.com/2018/music/news/...on-1202663554/

[BMWCCA]

Haha. You must be joking. Scherzkeks! Internet and truth? When www was developed at CERN/Geneva/Switzerland in 1989 everybody thought, that there will never ever be something wrong with it...

We all know Al Gore invented the Internet.
George Bush, however, was responsible for The Internets.

[Fritz The Cat]

So this album was a huge seller , I see copies everywhere.

People evidently expected Simon & Garfunkle music , but if you look at the track listing,
there really is little new from S&G (who i do enjoy) , so .... did mostly the cover sell the album ??? (almost all their songs were available on other albums)

OBTW: much of the film was shot in my hometown , us locals kinda laughed at the geography inconsistencies.


According to a 2008 Vanity Fair piece by Sam Kashner about the making of the film, progress on the music was not smooth. The meticulous Simon managed to complete only one song, “Punky’s Dilemma,” which Nichols rejected for use in the movie.

However, Nichols and his editor Sam O’Steen proceeded with the cutting of the picture using extant Simon & Garfunkel numbers as temp tracks: “The Sound of Silence,” the 1965 number that became the act’s breakthrough hit (after a remix by producer Tom Wilson that added a rock bottom to the song); the English folk adaptation “Scarborough Fair/Canticle” and Simon’s “The Big Bright Green Pleasure Machine,” both from the 1966 album “Parsley, Sage, Rosemary and Thyme”; and the “Scarborough Fair” single B-side “April Come She Will.”

https://variety.com/2018/music/news/...on-1202663554/

The post concerning S&G is another one. This one is about REO Speedwagon.

[Kay Pirinha]

I don't know if they were mentioned yet: The Electric Light Orchestra . This band emerged form the remainders of The Move, a Birmingham band that had several UK hits in the 1960ies. ELO started with the lofty ambitions to proceed where The Beatles had ended. And indeed, their debut, which was taped down in the same sessions as The Move's final Message From The Country album btw, was an amazing, venerable effort. But with the demise of Ron Wood, an overly talented multi-instrumentalist and gifted songwriter, Jeff Lynne took over and consequently shifted the band to blatant mainstream, commercialism, over produced, pompous, but hollow bombast. Here's an example:



I've bought it used, so I didn't support JL .

Track A3, as the title warns you, is the personified evil !

I guess they have/had great success in the big US mass market?

In general, you'd better avoid any Jeff Lynne production, as they all sound the same .

Best regards!

[Fritz The Cat]

I don't know if they were mentioned yet: The Electric Light Orchestra . This band emerged form the remainders of The Move, a Birmingham band that had several UK hits in the 1960ies. ELO started with the lofty ambitions to proceed where The Beatles had ended. And indeed, their debut, which was taped down in the same sessions as The Move's final Message From The Country album btw, was an amazing, venerable effort. But with the demise of Ron Wood, an overly talented multi-instrumentalist and gifted songwriter, Jeff Lynne took over and consequently shifted the band to blatant mainstream, commercialism, over produced, pompous, but hollow bombast. Here's an example:



I've bought it used, so I didn't support JL .

Track A3, as the title warns you, is the personified evil !

I guess they have/had great success in the big US mass market?



In general, you'd better avoid any Jeff Lynne production, as they all sound the same .

Best regards!

No, not Ron Wood . It was Roy Wood, the wizzard!