It'd be good if they worked now, for sure....
It'd be good if they worked now, for sure....
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One step above: "Two Tin Cans and a String!"
Longtime Alaskan Low-Fi Guy - E=MC˛ ±3db
Very nice!
I am floored!
Nice work - keep it up!
Now, how do they sound?
-Storm
Will tell you the whole story later!
They are a definite improvement!!!!
But, good riddence to them and their owner!!!
I guarantee I'll see them again in a pawn shop.
Scotty.
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Longtime Alaskan Low-Fi Guy - E=MC˛ ±3db
Did you do all the work?
Sounds as though he was not to keen to change them...does he not want them now?
No way you can purchase them from him?
What's the story...I know you are dying to tell.
Hey - the sun is still up, you've got time! LOL.
-Storm.
Originally Posted by SMKSoundPro
they were silky smooth from 800 up and very easy to listen to.
I am such a JBL guy, and these are no slouch!
Thank you to Mr. Zilch!!!!!!!!!!!
And: Jack Gifford for the N800 xover. I was able to pry the can apart and steal the pot and its parts and put together the OEM.
I am rocking out to my L200b's with a double 2245 sub underneath the counter here at the club. Let Scott Martin keep his vals. My JBL world rocks! I just hope Scott understands all that went into this adventure. He just wanted them NOW!!!! (must be the coke) Good Riddence!
Thank you ALL!!!!!!
I never knew how blessed I truly am to have peers as in all of you!
most humbly,
Bill Koeller's #2 son
scotty.
One step above: "Two Tin Cans and a String!"
Longtime Alaskan Low-Fi Guy - E=MC˛ ±3db
Storm,
Its after 12:00 am your time...
GO TO BED!!!!!
One step above: "Two Tin Cans and a String!"
Longtime Alaskan Low-Fi Guy - E=MC˛ ±3db
Well, kudos to you - sir.
Very nice job and congratulations!
Yep, friends are a plenty on this forum.
ROCK OUT!!!
-Storm
I got up to get some water and along the way is the computer.
I always check the threads -- very addicting, thats for sure.
Going to bed, now.
-Storm
They certainly look nice, and I hope you had the opportunity to listen to them for a while. Ultimately, they may find their way back to you and Lisa.
[Those are keepers....]
Yes, they really are keepers!
No, I only got to spend about three hours with them, but it was a good session.
I pwered them with a Yamaha P2200 amp, while keeping the L200b's on another P2200. I was able to turn the Vals up, then the 200's. I was just starting to get the bead on the vals when Scott came to get them. Apparently fired from his radio station gig, and our nightclub. He was so giddy, he just wanted them NOW, NOW, NOW!
Fine. They're his. It would have been nice to pink them a have a detailed printout for all of you to see, but that did not happen.
If they fell back into my lap, I would keep them! I also have all of the parts to make another pair. The cabs are simple. I have 511 and 811 horns. We know which driver to use.
Remember that the Vals are 16 ohms, and they sounded like it. They did not growl like the 200's. They were sweet. Ordered. Calm. predictable. Smoooooth! Like a very expensive and OLD single malt scotch, as I can barely remember back that far. You can curl up with a rocks glass while counting the buttons on Julie London's sweater on the album cover and be whistfully taken somewhere else, for a moment.
OR: conger up images of the Herb Albert and the Tijuana Brass, and let your mind wander to the lady with the whipped cream! Very Racey for its day! I have always loved cool whip ever since!
Vere definitely bedroom speakers! A little Mel Torme', and then some Barry White, and then.....well you know. Very cool!
All for now. It is late, and Lisa is already taking all of the covers from my side. Must reclaim my side of the bed.
Thank YOU!!!
Scotty.
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Longtime Alaskan Low-Fi Guy - E=MC˛ ±3db
Hi Scotty,
Those Valencia's are truly sweeeeet with the BMS drivers replacing the 806A's. I have two pairs of them in our bedroom, and they are really KEEPERS.
I didn't go back to see older pics of the Vals, but they now look like they are sanded and ready for stain or oil. Did you refinish his cabinets?
Glad to help you out with the crossover. Not much I could have done with it anyway.
Yes Jack, they are sanded with 320, and ready for Watco oil. Scott didn't want me to do it. He wanted them in his house. I really can't blame him. He knew what he was getting and just could not wait any longer.
I took off the rotted and chewed-up bases off of the cabs, and was prepared to make new ones out solid mahogany.
He was going to set them on the floor. Lisa told him sternly that a vacuum cleaner will find someway to damage the woofer!
If he was clean and sober and cared and was completely honest with me, I would make him some really nice speaker stands, of the right vintage appeal, to place these on, with the right slant, so that those damned wet bottom houseplants slide right off onto the floor!!! (Come on women, use a coaster!!!)
I was able to use a sharp chisel to cut the spotwelds on the xover can, take the pot apart, and steal the center shaft out of the control knob. Then I did the same for Scott's OEM xover. (trying to keep all of the OEM parts together) So Scott's original xovers are now placed on the baffle board for ease of adjustment. I then cut a slot with a hacsaw across the end of the broken-off center shaft of Jack's xover pot control, and reassembled it. It is now a N800 with a screwdriver slot adjustment. Oh and by the way, I also resoldered the pot in the "correct" way. So it is not backwards, anymore.
Jack, Do you need this xover back? I will send asap if needed or wanted! It does work flawlessly.
This has been an amazing journey into the world of mystery and intrigue, as these vals show up are really quite a very good little box. There are some things about them that are done well, and with our 40 years of hindsight, can see some newer products that are an instant upgrade, without breaking the bank.
It would be neat, if some of us could get together to manufacture our own little "ZilchLencia's." I think they would sell quite nicely. I would have liked to hear an 8 ohm version, though. I think it would had a little more punch. Maybe Scott Fitlin's Great Plains Audio 416 -8 new stock might be the ticket. We would have to find a bucket of 811's, though. The crossovers are not tough. Put Zilch on that one with a printed circuit board and components. I can do the woodworking. Storm can be our "spokesmodel!" JohnAec can be our "walter cronkite" authoritative, credible looking and sounding salesman. We would take take all of the glossy photos of the "ZL's" using Jack's granddaughter in the foreground, and a big basket of puppies and kittys all around her, with the caption to read: "The speaker that doesn't get in the way of forming a new life. The bedroom speaker where love happens, and babies are born." Appeal to the wives that these are the newest thing to romance since the battery!
I don't know. We could include viagra with the purchase.
All for now!
Scotty.
One step above: "Two Tin Cans and a String!"
Longtime Alaskan Low-Fi Guy - E=MC˛ ±3db
Thanks, Scotty, but it won't be necessary to return it. If you can't use it, pich it away.
Too bad your friend Scott didn't give you time to fix them properly. But would he have paid you for the extra effort anyway? Maybe turned out just as well.
Phewwwww!!!!!!!!! Took me about 6 hours to look through all 854 posts but I finally made it.
I now feel I have a much better handle on the Valencias, the Model 19s, and their drivers for sure.
Seems I wasn't so far out of line adding a JBL 077 slot radiator and a 3105 crossover to my original Valenicas 32 years ago in 1975.
I will have to do some fine tuning of the crossovers in my new-old Valencias as well as build a proper crossover for the JBL 2404 baby cheeks. I'll probably end up building a new three way from scratch or perhaps try some triamping.
The journey never ends.
Lar
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