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    that's where it's headed unless I/you/we do something about it... is what I got out of it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by grumpy View Post
    that's where it's headed unless I/you/we do something about it... is what I got out of it.
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    Thanks Grumpy. I believe at one point the situation was compared to the robber barons in the early part of the last century. The point was also brought up that middleclass wages were getting the tar kicked out of them. As has been said, we really should be able to afford the current middleclass gear from JBL without too much trouble. It seems that such is not the case.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thom View Post
    If JBL doesn't have any special interest in this sight then why (real question) does giskard get his knickers all in a knot over some issues?
    Insults, typically, potentially jeopardizing the continuing (and enhanced) availability of resources that are important to the membership here.

    Ignorant insults....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Giskard View Post
    Many a person has asked me in private why I bother rolling in the mud with you people.
    A quote I always liked:

    "If you roll in the mud with pigs , you both get dirty, but the pig will enjoy it."


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    Quote Originally Posted by Giskard View Post
    I have no idea what you are talking about. Your response to my post is completely whacked. But that's the main problem here, if people don't spell everything out in lurid detail then some people are bound to miss the point. Let's get a show of hands. Anyone else confused at my post?

    Here is your post:



    Here is my point another way:

    The gap between the rich and the poor is widening. Middleclass buying power is shrinking. People shop at Walmart and support companies like Walmart because doing so fits in with their reduced buying power. Did you watch the Democratic Party's response to the Bush State of the Union? If you had, then you'd know exactly where my comment came from. If you watch Charlie Rose then you'll know where my response came from. If you watch Lou Dobbs then you'll know where my response came from. You would also know that my response was in direct support of yours. Instead, you gave your response not one iota of thought, rather you're worried about what I do at night. It's funny.

    You're the third person that has suggested I shut my mouth and simply post technical data. Why don't you start a poll to that effect. Many a person has asked me in private why I bother rolling in the mud with you people. You really, truly aren't worth my time, and you reinforce that fact every time you create posts like this.
    perhaps i would be more inclined to give you the benefit of the doubt if you had not been in hot water with the moderators for this kind of sniping before. i guess it is hard to see the support in posts like,"you really,truly arent worth my time,and you reinforce that fact every time you create posts like this."

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    Quote Originally Posted by jim campbell View Post
    ...this kind of sniping before.
    If you look at it as a style of humor, it is quite a bit more interesting and enjoyable. AFAIK, Giskard doesn't get any particular joy out of arguing...

    Quote Originally Posted by jim campbell View Post
    ...i guess it is hard to see the support in posts like,"you really,truly arent worth my time,and you reinforce that fact every time you create posts like this."
    That is merely his opinion - there is no guarantee or implication it is shared by others.

    It's really easiest to not try and "school" anyone out here, Jim - there is no winning; there is no losing here. These exchanges just get more and more muddy.

    Best to get back to building / refurbishing speakers...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thom View Post
    An awful high percentage of JBL owners were probably do it yourselfers through the sixties. If you did JBL any other way it was incredibly expensive. JBL was proud of their drivers and putting them in the customers hands was one way of showing the difference between JBL and anything else. Put a Bozac driver in one hand and a JBL in the other. There was no comparison. It wasn't even Maytag and hotpoint, It was way beyond that. Good for them that they have learned to be more profitable but I no longer know that because it's a JBL it's good. It's more like Just because it's JBL doesn't mean it's crap. I can't automatically lay down a stack of bills for some JBL stuff without knowing something about it or knowing the salesman or having some knowledge. It's to bad that they didn't break it down into JBL and "made by JBL" but they went the way they went and that's how it is. If JBL doesn't have any special interest in this sight then why (real question) does giskard get his knickers all in a knot over some issues? I thought it was over them being benevolent and wanting them to stay that way. Sure it's stupid to expect JBL to act as though we are in a socialist economy but that doesn't explain taking some things so personal. It's not for me to judge it's just that every time I think the picture is finally coming into focus someone bumps into the tripod again or something.
    thom i have no trouble with them becoming profitable.the point i make is this that there are those who seem to believe that we owe them some kind of homage because they built some classic products in the past.but they have abandoned those types of systems and concentrated on mass market stuff that is generally what the forum members reject in the persuit of a classic,vintage sound.then with the profits design and build classic systems that will be for only the very wealthy and often foreign markets.i bought my first set of l26's,the components for my custom l300's,and my l220's the same way most of us did back in the day,by the sweat of my brow and making sacrifices in other areas.but now i think that is not possible for most and it is the policy of the corporate owners and not the reduced buying power of the greenback that i blame.despite the fact that they have shown some generosity in resources i still am not convinced that harmon/jbl as it exists today is owed much in the way of kudos for the triumphs of the past.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jim campbell View Post
    perhaps i would be more inclined to give you the benefit of the doubt if you had not been...
    ...my reading of your post and then Giskard's was that he was violently agreeing with you... I don't think a benefit of the doubt was necessary... seems like another typical internet failure to communicate situation.


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    Quote Originally Posted by boputnam View Post
    If you look at it as a style of humor, it is quite a bit more interesting and enjoyable. AFAIK, Giskard doesn't get any particular joy out of arguing...

    That is merely his opinion - there is no guarantee or implication it is shared by others.

    It's really easiest to not try and "school" anyone out here, Jim - there is no winning; there is no losing here. These exchanges just get more and more muddy.

    Best to get back to building / refurbishing speakers...
    point taken bo.if apologies are in order i humbly offer them

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    Quote Originally Posted by jim campbell View Post
    point taken bo.if apologies are in order i humbly offer them


    I can't believe it! That is the first time I can remember of a Mod risking stepping into the 'do, and not getting blasted with it!

    Thanks, Jim. No apologies needed...

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Widget View Post
    ...my reading of your post and then Giskard's was that he was violently agreeing with you...
    Bingo...
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    Quote Originally Posted by SEAWOLF97 View Post
    A quote I always liked:

    "If you roll in the mud with pigs , you both get dirty, but the pig will enjoy it."

    Or my personal favorite version of the saying - "Arguing with xxxxxxxx is like wrestling in the mud with a pig, sooner or later you realize the pig likes it."
    Quote Originally Posted by boputnam View Post
    If you look at it as a style of humor, it is quite a bit more interesting and enjoyable. AFAIK, Giskard doesn't get any particular joy out of arguing...
    Evidently my humor is best served face to face.
    Quote Originally Posted by jim campbell View Post
    if apologies are in order i humbly offer them
    No problem. Sorry for any confusion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Giskard View Post
    That you are aware of.
    Touche' , although pairing JBL drivers with other companies' offerings is a little like miscegenation. I'd like to cross generations a bit and use older stuff with new and see what happens, although we would not want any drivers accused of cradle robbing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rolf View Post
    Rob and Scott.

    I understand your points. Maybe it is me. I don't really care what people write in those kind of threads. I read some, some not, but I rarely comment in them, and that is why I believe they will die out by themselves.

    I can't see that there is the same "troublemakers" coming back again and again under different aliases as you do. If that is the case they surly must be stopped. I don't like harse tones and insulting anymore than you do.

    You are both right, they can do this on other forums. You have both answered my questions so I won't need to ask them again.

    And yes, I have been here for quite a while ... hopefully not made to much noise or yelling.
    i have certainly noticed on other forums that once drama starts its hard to stop. there is uasally a core group of people that start and keep up the BS. REGARDS JIM

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    Quote Originally Posted by Giskard View Post
    Or my personal favorite version of the saying - "Arguing with xxxxxxxx is like wrestling in the mud with a pig, sooner or later you realize the pig likes it."
    yes, I am attempting to let ssss ramble on about his aaaaaaaaaaaa's and just look the other way. Z seems to be picking up the torch.
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