JBL Lancer 66 Re-Furb Questions

[herbman75]

Howdy Fellas!

I just picked up a pair of Lancer 66's today at the thrift for $20.

The cabs look decent, but need work. Only one real chip in the veneer. Some sand paper, stain, and oil should do them justice.

The grills look OK. A coupe of loose threads, but nothing to jump up and down about. However, I would like to replace them. Does anyone know of a source for this "burlap" type grille cloth? Both the grille badges are there too. The grills also have this gold plastic "frame" around them. Does this material have to stay? I would like to get rid of it personally.

The main problem is the woofer surrounds. I have done the thread search for lansaloy, and I am not sure if that is what I have. This material is black. It has tiny little cracks in the surround. It looks like hardened rubber.

Can this stuff be replaced with regular speaker foam kits? How do I remove this stuff?

Any and all assistance is greatly appreciated!

herbs

[herbman75]

Also, if anyone can direct me to some catalog pics, specs, ect. here it wold be appreciated. I can't find anything about Lancer 66. I found Lancer 44, 55, 77, 99, and 101 - but no 66.

Why so little info on these?

[speakerdave]

Also, if anyone can direct me to some catalog pics, specs, ect. here it wold be appreciated. I can't find anything about Lancer 66. I found Lancer 44, 55, 77, 99, and 101 - but no 66.

Why so little info on these?

It appears in the 1962 Catalogue. It seems to have been discontinued with the introduction of the L77 with its passive radiator to augment the bass.

David

[herbman75]

I did manage to find this from either the 64 or 62 catalog, I can't remember which.





What is up with this edging? I am removing that gold, plastic frame from the grille edge - it just loks cheezy to me.

[SUPERBEE]

Thats not Lansaloy. Perhaps something newer?

Howdy Fellas!

I just picked up a pair of Lancer 66's today at the thrift for $20.

The cabs look decent, but need work. Only one real chip in the veneer. Some sand paper, stain, and oil should do them justice.

The grills look OK. A coupe of loose threads, but nothing to jump up and down about. However, I would like to replace them. Does anyone know of a source for this "burlap" type grille cloth? Both the grille badges are there too. The grills also have this gold plastic "frame" around them. Does this material have to stay? I would like to get rid of it personally.

The main problem is the woofer surrounds. I have done the thread search for lansaloy, and I am not sure if that is what I have. This material is black. It has tiny little cracks in the surround. It looks like hardened rubber.

Can this stuff be replaced with regular speaker foam kits? How do I remove this stuff?

Any and all assistance is greatly appreciated!

herbs

[SUPERBEE]

DOH!!

I think it is those kinds of things that give these speakers that cool 60s MOD look.

What is up with this edging? I am removing that gold, plastic frame from the grille edge - it just loks cheezy to me.

[herbman75]

DOH!!

I think it is those kinds of things that give these speakers that cool 60s MOD look.

I may put them back on after I clean them up a little.

The woofer is edge is what has me worried. I am leaning toward plain rubber. I guess I am going to start looking for a kit.

Also, I have to wiggle the ground on the back of one of the speakers or it sounds weird. Something loose I guess?

Are these "Tube Speakers"? They sound pretty nuetral to me. I listened to Pink Floyd Meddle MFSL on them and it sounded really good - probably not the best for something like Van Halen though...

[Zilch]

http://manuals.harman.com/JBL/HOM/Te...ancer%20ts.pdf

Resurround those LE-10s with the proper foam.

I'd replace the LE20-1 tweeters with 035tiAs, too, unless you like not having any VHF....

[SUPERBEE]

They would probably sound good with tubes. My Lancer 77's sounded GREAT with the Fisher 500-C

I may put them back on after I clean them up a little.

The woofer is edge is what has me worried. I am leaning toward plain rubber. I guess I am going to start looking for a kit.

Also, I have to wiggle the ground on the back of one of the speakers or it sounds weird. Something loose I guess?

Are these "Tube Speakers"? They sound pretty nuetral to me. I listened to Pink Floyd Meddle MFSL on them and it sounded really good - probably not the best for something like Van Halen though...

[herbman75]

http://manuals.harman.com/JBL/HOM/Te...ancer%20ts.pdf

Resurround those LE-10s with the proper foam.

I'd replace the LE20-1 tweeters with 035tiAs, too, unless you like not having any VHF....

Are these tweeters notoriously bad? No Very High Frequency?

[herbman75]

Resurround those LE-10s with the proper foam.

What is the "proper" foam? Do I just need to use regular speaker foam? This stuff is like something I have never seen before. It is like really hard rubber or really soft plastic - I don't know which. You say it is not the lansalloy?

I will post some pics tomorrow. I really appreciate the advice guys.

This will make my 3rd JBL project going now, so far I have to -

*Re-foam, re-finish, and put orange grille cloth on a pair of L40's.
*Re-finish, apply the blue grille cloth (I got here), and replace a few drivers in a pair of L36's
*Re-foam, re-finish, and put new white "burlap" grille cloth on a pair of Lancer 66 - (and possibly replace tweeters)

I have had both the L40 and L36 projects up in the air for quite some time now. I am a lazy man...

I will be posting pics of everthing. Hope to meet some good folks over here!

herbs...

[herbman75]

Here are some pics.

First - The Strip Tease -

[herbman75]

I have GOT to get rid of this old adhesive. I am going to replace w/space-age velcro...



Here is some more around the LE20-1 tweeter -



Here is the cracked woofer material -



Grille badge -



So..... Much..... Work to do.....

[peterepete]

i purchased a pair on epay recently and had the same surrounds that you have.
mine weren't all cracked like yours though. they were solid and severely stiff so i removed them and brought them to millersound in nearby montgomeryville,pa.bill put new foam surrounds on and they are very nice now.foam surrounds should be available on the net somewhere. that is all you need to make them listenable again.

[peterepete]

i would go looking for sheer curtain fabric for your grilles.you should be able to get close to the color. ther has to be a giant fabric store in a city near you. i use this instead of the bugus speaker fabrics they try to sell you. they sound nice in the bedroom with my fisher x-101b .happy listenting