Subwoofer or No Subwoofer?...That is the Question.

[timc]

"For music I like it nice and tight, not loose and sloppy."

Do you imply that 15s and 18s must be loose and sloppy?

I think what he means is that for many purposes you cant cutof a 15" or 18" high enough. And if you do the tend to sound slow. 12" for the 40hz+ and 15"-18" for the sub 40hz maybe. Thats how i read his post. Correct me if im wrong.

[JBL 4645]

I hope to learn alot from this thread.

-Storm

LOL

you spelled "A lot" totally wrong for starters, tell you what. Go back to college clearly you’re just a big head. And don’t you dare speck down to on the other thread like that I’m far older than you, one thing I have learned which you clearly haven’t! Is, respect for my elders plain and simple!

[hjames]

LOL

you spelled "A lot" totally wrong for starters, tell you what. Go back to college clearly you’re just a big head. And don’t you dare speck down to on the other thread like that I’m far older than you, one thing I have learned which you clearly haven’t! Is, respect for my elders plain and simple!

Wait- WHERE ARE THE WET COMMAS in your sentences!! RUN ON!!

BTW (thats short for By The Way, for you oldsters)
on the internet no one knows you are a dog, er, a fish, er ... an Elder!

We talk webyears here as a sign of status - I've been online since the early 90s - how senior are you to THAT, fishyboiy?

[JBL 4645]

Wait- WHERE ARE THE WET COMMAS in your sentences!! RUN ON!!

BTW (thats short for By The Way, for you oldsters)
on the internet no one knows you are a dog, er, a fish, er ... an Elder!

We talk webyears here as a sign of status - I've been online since the early 90s - how senior are you to THAT, fishyboiy?

No but I can smell a WET FISH USA shemale a mile off! Yikes!

[hjames]

No but I can smell a WET FISH USA shemale a mile off! Yikes!

This is your idea of a snappy comeback - ??

Where do you GET this stuff - meds wearin' off? Porno talk is not civil in a public forum.

Calling me Eddie Izzard - the nerve of this guy!!

[JBL 4645]

This is your idea of a snappy comeback - ??

Where do you GET this stuff - meds wearin' off? Porno talk is not civil in a public forum.

Calling me Eddie Izzard - the nerve of this guy!!

Long

Mate, your spot mate this person is a real shemale! How could you tell it was a shemale Yikes I hate shemales!

[Storm]

This guy does not contribute or ask any questions. All this person does is harass and post silly threads.

Please either ban him or kick him off for good!

Read the silly posts he writes - please.

Thank you.

-Storm.

[JBL 4645]

This guy does not contribute or ask any questions. All this person does is harass and post silly threads.

Please either ban him or kick him off for good!

Read the silly posts he writes - please.

Thank you.

-Storm.

LOL nothing compared to silly American threads about the silly government we here in the UK and Europe don’t care about your silly threads you little git! You decided to come on my thread and start BASHING IT! So if you can’t take the heat for BASHING me first off, STFU you silly little wanker!

[Storm]

Seriously.

There is a difference between government threads and a silly thread no one responds to except yourself about a cinema that 99 percent of us threaders dont even care about.

Go back to your doctor and bring these threads with you. You are the one that needs help.

I am not bashing at all, just stating a matter of fact opinion. Do you know the difference?



Thank you.

-Storm

[JBL 4645]

Tell you what stay far, far away from me OK! And I’ll stay far, far, far away from your threads deal!

[Storm]

You started bashing my thread first mate most threads I see on here I ether read and don’t respond but you had to start bashing it didn’t you!!!!!

If you call bashing outright openly discussing the fact that the thread has no purpose - then be it.

I guess you can't teach old dogs anything!



Moderators - Is there anybody out there?

I started this thread, so can you close it. I got my answer and now it is being used to harass me.

Thank you.

[Robh3606]

I will give you each one public warning and that's it. Take this sophmoric behavior off this forum now. It will not be tolerated.

Rob

[Mr. Widget]

These are the type of speakers that do it all and don't need a subwoofer. Case in point - I just picked up a PARADIGM REFERENCE SERVO 15 SUBWOOFER and hooked it up to the setup with these same exact speakers. The subwoofer puts out too much bass. I love the natural bass that these speakers bring forth - not the over use of bass that a subwoofer brings.

This subwoofer is Paradigms leading subwoofer and retailed for $1500.00. Thank goodness I did not purchase it new - this baby is going on eBay in a couple days.

I am not familiar with your Paradigm sub, however most subwoofer demonstrations like most surround sound demonstrations are overly exaggerated... what I am getting at is that most Hi-Fi shops and even most trade shows tend to jack up their settings so that you really hear what they are contributing. In a properly set up sub for a system that already has extension down to 40 or 50Hz, the sub will hardly be missed when it is turned off... turning it on and off should be quite subtle for most music... in some cases it should have no impact on the sound at all and with some music the effects of the added sub will be far less subtle.

What I am trying to say is that if you get the feeling that there is too much bass due to the addition of a sub, you are probably correct, turn down the power to the sub... that said, there isn't a vintage system out there that won't benefit from the subtle improvement that a properly set up, high quality sub can bring.


Widget

[Shane Shuster]

I am not familiar with your Paradigm sub, however most subwoofer demonstrations like most surround sound demonstrations are overly exaggerated... what I am getting at is that most Hi-Fi shops and even most trade shows tend to jack up their settings so that you really hear what they are contributing.Widget

I would add that most sub-woofers in the shops use a 15" in too small of a box. Most use eq on the plate amp which makes the problem worse and in the case of sealed boxes looses most of the advantages of using a sealed design in the first place.

I think that may be why some people think 15 and 18 inch woofers can't be musical. Also the small woofers may sound "faster" because they are not putting as much sub 30hz energy into the room.

Its seems like most of the speaker designs noted for tight, fast bass never have much lower bass. (Altecs, Klipsch, bookshelf speakers, ect) If you had a Valencia or Model 19, waved a magic wand, and it was the exact same speaker but magically had flat response down to 25hz. I wonder if owners of the speaker wouldn't like it anymore because the upper bass didn't stand out anymore.

[Storm]

So, you guys are saying better to sell the subwoofer?

You are right about the tight bass and the comparison to a subwoofer. The subwoofer more often than not puts out too much bass and like you said, it is very flat.

Thank you for all of your guys' help.

I have this sub in my system right now, but will take it out and put in on eBay within a couple days.



-Storm.