Horn Dampening--811B

[Storm]

A light bulb just switched on in my head!

Ah, I see now...

So, there is just a very slight difference between the Val's, Flameco's, and the 846's in comparison to the Model 19's.

I thought there for a moment that I should grab a pair of 19's and replace my 846's, but if there is still a "ring" in the horn, then I won't bother.

For those who know - does the Model 19 crossover help alleviate the ring? Some have said that the 19's are smoother in sound and not as harsh. But, to be honest - I love that "Live" sound and sometimes the "ring" is too much, but most likely that is from the recording.

As someone on this board said, the source is 90% and speakers are 10%, so if you have a bad recording, you will notice. Likewise, the horns that most people dont like - which is the jazz and the classical genre of fans - the highs can be harsh. But, for the rock and roll and classic rock - these speakers kick butt!

I was scanning the altec unoffical site today and did not realize that James Lansing created Altec. And I had no idea that in 1949 - James Lansing committed suicide. Wow, what things we learn whilst parousing the vast internet.

Anyone else think I should replace my Altec 846's with the Model 19's? Any opinions are greatly appreciated.

Hurry...there is a pair in CA right now on eBay. I could take a day trip and go pick them up.

I still want to hear a pair of L200's or L300's. If anyone on this board is in Arizona, I would love to come take a listen.

Thanks a bunch.

Looking forward to continuing this "lively" thread.

[Mr. Widget]

I thought there for a moment that I should grab a pair of 19's and replace my 846's, but if there is still a "ring" in the horn, then I won't bother.

For those who know - does the Model 19 crossover help alleviate the ring?

In my opinion the difference between the earlier Altecs and the Model 19 isn't trivial. The EQ crossover and box tuning are a big help.

Can the crossover help the ring? No way... there is no way an active or passive filter can fix the problem... it is a mechanical resonance... it needs to be physically dampened.

I love that "Live" sound and sometimes the "ring" is too much, but most likely that is from the recording.

Widget

[Storm]

So, should I get 19's and sell my 846's?

Thanks.

-Storm

[Zilch]

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I use Altec 846u's and will NEVER sell them - they are the BEST!

[Mr. Widget]

So, should I get 19's and sell my 846's?

Not if YOU like them...

Between the two, I'd go with the 19s... if I had a broader selection, and I do... I'd look elsewhere entirely.


Widget

[Storm]

Agreed, but while reading Model 19 posts, I am leaning towards them...

I am just trying to get a second opinion on how much "smoother" the sound is than on the 846 series.

I know what I said...I am not going to sell them to pay for drugs, but if Model 19's are better, then I want to know so I can find a pair and buy them.

Thanks for stating the obvious, Zilch.

[mbask]

I know what I said...I am not going to sell them to pay for drugs,

Thanks for stating the obvious, Zilch.

[/quote]

HA HA HA HA
Storm.. your are a delight
the 19s cost less to manufacture (all things considered )
the "ring" ? ..employ EQ unit of decent quality and adjust 4K until satisfied
OR: clamp two pieces of ridgid type styrofoam at the throat of the horn, inside the cabinet..then you will be "lord of the ring"

any rings?

[Storm]

I will find an Equalizer and do that.

My back of the cabinets are sealed shut, so removing the horns from the front and damping them would be quite difficult.

Now I am on the search for an equalizer....any suggestions??

Yea, once I get an EQ I will be ultimately satisfied and will never consider owning any other speakers...

Yes, I will stop posting "should I...could I...will I" questions regarding the Model 19s.

I greatly appreciate everyone on this board, you guys are awesome!

[mbask]

there was one JBL/Urei EQ on the LA craigslist a week ago i don't remember the model, I think it's been nabbed though

[Mr. Widget]

the "ring" ? ..employ EQ unit of decent quality and adjust 4K until satisfied...

Isn't that like painting over the dirt instead of doing the cleaning? Not to mention if you do use a notch filter and cut out the ring you will also be losing a portion of the overtones of many musical instruments.


Widget

[Zilch]

Can the crossover help the ring? No way... there is no way an active or passive filter can fix the problem... it is a mechanical resonance... it needs to be physically dampened.

"Filter" presumably incudes equalizer.

So, we have determined the "ring" is at 4 kHz, have we?

I should just shut up, rather than sayin' stuff folks don't want to hear here.

Slide over, Giskard, buddy....

[edgewound]

"Filter" presumably incudes equalizer.

So, we have determined the "ring" is at 4 kHz, have we?

I should just shut up, rather than sayin' stuff folks don't want to hear here.

Slide over, Giskard, buddy....

I think one would find that if one removes the horn from the enclosure and flicks the bell with a finger or screw driver....whatever...one will find that the ring is at about 1KHz when compared to a sine wave from a sweep generator.

An EQ with enough applied cut at 4KHz will, as paraphrasing Mr. Widget..."screw things up". You'll simply take out too much music.

[mbask]

Do we want the ring of a trumpet?
yes "enough" can be too much. as i stated "adjust until satisfied"


Widget.. does "cleaning" mean that dirt goes to another planet?
Your analogy seems at odds with your apparent technical command.

[Storm]

RIGHT ON!

FUNNY STUFF, MBASK !

[edgewound]

Do we want the ring of a trumpet?

If it's in the interest of accurately reproducing the recording...yes, I do.