I use a M552 for my 4350. Iwant buy a Bryston B10 sub.
Do you have same experiece?
Bryston B10 is really better than JBL M552? It cost really very much and first to buy I want an opinion from the expert
Thanks
Paky33
I use a M552 for my 4350. Iwant buy a Bryston B10 sub.
Do you have same experiece?
Bryston B10 is really better than JBL M552? It cost really very much and first to buy I want an opinion from the expert
Thanks
Paky33
I'm no expert, but for what it's worth, the handful of recording studios I've visited were all using Bryston crossovers, and the guys who purchased them probably were experts.
They seem to be the workhorse choice for recording studio crossovers that JBL once was.
glen
"Make it sound like dinosaurs eating cars"
- Nick Lowe, while producing Elvis Costello
I had the Bryston 10B crossovers, and they are very clean, and very well made. But, I find Bryston a bright sound.
The 10B sub will work flawlessly, but there is one minor thing I dont like about them. On the LF ouput there is NO ouput level attenuator, and this means you have to use the amps input level control to adjust for level.
scottyj
I've tried the following:
JBL 5234A
JBL M552
Ashly XR1001
In that order, each has been an improvement over the former.
A custom Bryston is shipping, as we speak. I will post my impressions if favorable, or you will see it on eBay...
bo
"Indeed, not!!"
I have bought the Bryston.
It is fantastic!
The sound is very improved in comparison to the JBL M552.
I am really satisfied of the purchase apart the cost. It in Italy it costs € 3.300!
Pasquale Lenza
Yea, Pasquale, I think your post sums it up. Bryston beats others, hands-down. And, that quality is costly...Originally Posted by Paky33
bo
"Indeed, not!!"
Yeah, youll find out, these dont fall apart sonically, no matter what.
They make gereat sounding low end too, the highs, SSSS, no CCHHHH, mids are HUGE sounding.
scottyj
I am back to my 10B,s, customized for my system, I am using them to drive 3 BGW 750G,s running 12 TAD,s, 1 Mc-2125 on 2395 horns, six of em, and a bryston 2B on Bi Radial tweeters.I've tried the following:
JBL 5234A
JBL M552
Ashly XR1001
In that order, each has been an improvement over the former.
A custom Bryston is shipping, as we speak. I will post my impressions if favorable, or you will see it on eBay...
The TAD,s LOVE these crossovers, the BASS, you gotta hear Pink Floyd-The Wall in my place.
They remain clean at any level i have hit them with, and the mids are drop dead clean, the 10B MC amp is a better combo than the old Crown 150 was.
I have a 3B SST running my 16 JBL tweeters, so fine sounding, it takes some work to balance out, but once you do.
Bo I was wrong, they are the BEST xovers I have ever used.
Ella and Louie doing Summertime, O man, incredible.
scottyj
Hello
I want to test a Bi amp configuration using the passive filter of my JBL 4333 B pair and an active filter such as the JBL M552. The 4333 B is already ready with 2 pairs of cable connections in the back and the rotactor to switch betwen mono or Bi amp.
The hi/med amplifier will be a Mc intosh MC 7300 and the bass will be through a Harman Kardon Citation 16 B
Have you tested the JBL M552 and do you think I will have a better result than using my louspeakers with only one amp in mono ampp configuration ?
Thanks for help
Eric (Paris France)
Biamp is always the preferred method. It gives better control on the woofer (removes that big inductor from the signal path). The 552 is a good active crossover.
Yes, but there are trade offs... if you have a really top drawer front end and quality amps, adding a crappy electronic crossover will really ruin the sound. If you have average electronics, then there is little sonic damage one of these lesser units will do and you will gain the benefits of biamping even with a PA grade device since the hard glare and thin transistory sound will be masked by the same sort of sound already present.
Not to beat this to death, but if you have, say a vintage Mark Levinson or other high quality preamp and amp and you pop a Rane, Ashly, JBL, etc. PA crossover in the system, the noise and harsh veiled sound will be quite a disappointment.
Widget
Hi Eric,
I dont thave time to look at the biamp require for the 4333 right now but perhaps more important priority than anything else is getting the biamp crossover point right.
More often than not people assume its all just plug and play and by luck get it working or get a less then positive outcome attempting to biamp.
JBL usually provide some data on this ....12 db slope (butterworth) will provide the closest approximation to the JBL filter card used 52-5123.
The M series JBL crossovers are all LR 24 db slopes as I recall. I dont know what the Bryston stock settings are.
The crossover point is 800 hertz and way JBL setup the horn in those systems is relatively critical to obtaining a smooth transition at the crossover point. That will make or break this design in terms of the way its sounds.
Previously we have had people come along looking for the world trying to biamp with some of these old vintage systems only to get themselves into one hell of a mess.
Anyway, I would first carefully try the JBL crossover and test if you have measurement capability. The Bryston is a huge step to take before sorting this out.
All things considered the Marchland crossovers would be a better fit for the purpose in your situation. You can order the crossover parameters and they make a good product. The M7300 is massive amp by the way, you will only need a few watts!
Whatever ....biamping is a lot more wires and complexity.
The other thing you could do is look at re building the passive crossover using the JBL Charge-coupling topology. That would certainly give your 4333b a new lease of life.
Good luck.
Ian
Tell us how you really feel...
John
That was the polite way of saying, "If you really care about how this stuff sounds you don't want some half-assed piece of crap F'ing up your system."Tell us how you really feel...
Widget
BTW: Ian makes a good point... in general you will likely screw up the sound with any active crossover if you don't approach with a great deal of caution and care.
The Bryston 10B is all discrete, big power supply, they bias the unit to run Class A, and it takes whatever you throw at it. What I mean is active crossover distort when pushed too hard, the Brystons are the toughest I have ever used. Thbey dont crack up sonicallyn o matter how hard you hit them.
If your gonna use them for subs order them with the +10DB INPUT GAIN OPTION.
The M552 cant compARE TO THE BRYSTONS. They are good for what they are at their level, but Bryston is a whole 'nother level.
AND, this company will help every way they can, service is incredible, last week I called bryston, I asked for James Tanner, The President, he and I never spoke, he took the time to talk to me, and they are doing some custom work for me, no computer swithboard, no tech, the receptionins asked my name, and put me throug to James, he and I spoke with Mike Pickett, an engineer for Bryston, and we made our arrangements.
THE PRESIDENT and he is a nice guy too. But, my point is, Bryston really cares about what you buy from them, and they are a real, bonafide company run by humans, NOT automation.
But, the Bryston 10B,s are THE MOST well made crossover I have ever had. A pair weighs what a Crown D-150 weighs.
10B subs are the way to go, and JBL woofers love em.
scottyj
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