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    You're supposed to find that out after we have you bust holes in a couple of walls to flush mount them.

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    I know, movin' the 501 Macdaddys is tough enough, My wife would love these 43's built in, that would solve the "decorating" nightmare she's struggling with...
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    My bass is back

    OK, I reinstated the external wiring back to what I know is correct AND swapped the internal wires on the woofer for the left channel. Plugged in the Phonic and all is now in phase and sounds great. So, the Green w/ black stripe wire is now on the + terminal and the solid green is on the - terminal which is backasswards per spec. My question is now... how in the hell could the polarity get reversed on this one woofer and the only known repair through it's history is a refoam? Original factory error?
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    Check how the other woofer is hooked up....

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    The other woofer is per spec. Green w/ black wire to - terminal
    Solid Green to + terminal
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    That's strange as hell!

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    This question is recurring all the time. My answer is buy a sub use your speakers as mid bass. With todays CD more bass is encoded with more DB in the recordings.The old vynils had a cut off at 100Hz in mono.

    Here is a good choice for 20Hz to 85Hz then switch
    your speakers >85 HZ


    http://www.jblpro.com/pub/cinema/4641.pdf


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    Well, we're back where we started:

    Battery test both woofers.

    Phonic's reading (+) polarity, I betcha....

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    OK, I'll do the battery test and post my findings...
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    If the battery test doesn't show a polarity problem with the bass driver terminals, you
    might want to just trace -all- of the internal wires: input terminals to crossover,
    then to each driver...

    -grumpy

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    My Battery test

    Here's a pic of my "battery testing lab". Now this may be off post so I will re-post new for others to see as well.

    I checked the polarity of the woofer in question and son-of-a-gun if it isn't wired back-ass-wards. (or the terminals were reversed) When I apply the + to + and the - to - the cone moves inward. When I switch them around the cone moves outward. So the mystery has been solved, thank you Z-Man for the urgency of doing the batt check. My Phonic was right on too. The bass has improved along with the imaging. Much better.

    I would still like to know how this could have happened. Maybe the terminals got switched at some point? I wouldn't think a refoam would have anything to do with it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by invstbiker

    I checked the polarity of the woofer in question and son-of-a-gun if it isn't wired back-ass-wards. (or the terminals were reversed) When I apply the + to + and the - to - the cone moves inward. When I switch them around the cone moves outward.
    It's supposed to work that way. If the other cone is moving outward on a + to +, it's backward.

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    JBL's Polarity Convention

    JBL has been out of phase with virtually every other manufacturer of loudspeakers for decades, though they finally changed and now they share the same polarity as the rest of the speaker world.

    http://www.jblpro.com/tech-library/J...eN1V12C_v5.pdf

    It is one of Bo's favorite topics and it has been discussed a lot. If you are bored one night do some "polarity" searches.


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    Well this is really getting confusing now...
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    don't worry

    Quote Originally Posted by Steve Gonzales
    A footnote to the polarity deal is that some woofers are designed to move in with the positive charge applied to the plus terminal so if indeed that is the case, and even if they are both moving in the same direction, you must also be sure that they are in proper phase with the rest of the system. I'm sure that there is someone here that can tell you what the correct movement of your particular woofers is.
    Now that you know that they were out of phase in respect to each other, you can fix your pair.

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