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Here are my 4367 positions: they are about 12” away from the back wall. not that their bass is not good; just not chest pumping or ground shaking Compare to subs. Also like to make my music more energetic and real. If I go to a soft rock concert ; I should feel the shake when the drums got hit. That’s all
Are the speakers in phase...LOL
One possible explanation is you might not be playing it loud enough or your expectations might be beyond the scope of a domestic hi fi system.
Typically that kind of bass belongs in a club not a house.
+1 on what Ian said.
I'd double check the polarity of the speakers and I'd pull the woofers too. Even factory wiring can be off sometimes. I'd also double check there's no high pass filter somewhere.
Put the speakers on the floor and closer to the wall and see if the bass increases. If it doesn't you definitely have a polarity problem. Play a mono recording and verify the image is in the center.
Hi KFZ,
I agree with posts # 17 and 18.
Typically, what you have is a nice hi-fi type of setup and I wouldn't mind having it... I do note your speakers are not only about a foot from the wall as you say but also elevated off the floor on a base.
I haven't seen the Owner Manual specific recommendations regarding the placement of these speakers, sometimes directions will say on the floor (e.g. 2 Pi placement) others not, for example. If you did follow the manufacturer's directions then I assume you got what you paid for.
"chest pumping or ground shaking" bass and feeling the shake of the drum at a rock concert typically belongs more to sound reinforcement type of systems, these are not as nicely mannered as your monitors, but do have way more output level (more energetic as you say).
So if Radley's tricks aren't enough for you, then you may have to manage your expectations, look for another type of system or complement this one with high power subwoofer(s) or bass cabinets, with another amp and crossover... Regards,
Richard
I still think that what you are describing can at least be partially ascribed to a lack of power.Quote:
Originally Posted by kfz03110
If you want to feel the hit on the snare, you need to get an 8" - 12" cone on an accordion surround in there. The 2251Js really convey this slam that the horns just don't get.
Hi KFZ:
It’s the poinsettias on top. ;)
I have 4365’s in my living room that is asymmetrically shaped similar to yours. I have a pair of Array 1500 powered subs that I just have to tickle to get the low frequency energy that I like for most of my music.
In a nutshell I find integrating subs into a well behaved set of full range mains like yours easy, if you only need a bit of augmentation. It is much harder to add a lot of LF without sloping gently upward out of typical subwoofer territory so as not to have a noticeable step in the bass response and then timing and position becomes everything.
I consider 4365’s and 4367’s as medium small speaker systems and they have their limits.
As Todd said there are several bass augmenters available and some sound great and some don’t. If you don’t listen real loud your speakers likely have the headroom for a bit of boost.
Do you have a way to quantify your listening levels? Like an IPhone app?
I hope you enjoy them.
Barry.
Its my belief that if you have quality subs and amps that can get you as low and punchy as you want to go, it depends on your crossover point as to whether you can really hear the difference between mono or stereo subs. If the room is not too wide, and if your mains go deep enough, I doubt you will hear much difference between mono and stereo if you are crossing over under 85hz or thereabouts. jm2c
Actually 90% of the time, I listen between 20%-40% of my amplifier's volume level (under 2 Watts). I need to raise the volume level above 40% to feel some vibration of the bass. Good bass but not comparable to my friends low end surround sound system with 2 small subs. I also agree that my 200W SS amp is on light side. How much bass will it increase if I upgrade to 450W SS? My guess is won't be as much as a powered sub(300+W)
You're right... all things being equal you'll get about 3dB more output. More but not significantly.Quote:
Originally Posted by kfz03110
If all you want is gut grinding bass, that is fairly easily and relatively inexpensively attained by adding HT subs as you mentioned. If you want objectively better performance that is a significantly more complicated question.
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