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Hi, JBL experts
I did some study on 4365 recently,i found it may be a very nice choise!
To my surprise, it uses 4' 476Mg compression driver as HF!and more,it uses cotton surroud instead of rubber surrond as 4338/4348 9800 do.
I think rubber surrond is very hard to push and control,and its sound is not so nature as foam and cotton surrond,(BTW i don't like rubber surrond at all.)
I appriciate your review.
martin
From PM's I've received it seems that there are several forum members who are extremely interested in buying these loudspeakers. They're at the top of my list as well.
Rumor has it that the 1501FE came out so well there might be an alnico version someday. Not that I personally care, I'd be perfectly happy with it as is.
It has been stated that the 476Mg is very close in sonic performance to the 476Be and both are "light years" better than their aluminum or titanium predecessors.
I personally prefer the size of the 4338 horn. Too bad 4338 owners can't upgrade the 435AL to a 476Mg and the 1500FE to a 1501FE. That could be fun. I just can't get out of the JBL of the forties through eighties when one could do these things at will can I? :rotfl:
Thanks for your inputQuote:
Originally Posted by 4313B
Sono-core\accodin-pleats,1501FE seems a big improvment of 1500FE.
With the same 4' 476Mg,the H4365 horn size is even bigger than 9900,i'd rather believe that it's a improvment of 9900 under cost control.
With 9900's relatively mild performance,4365 may supply you more strenth and power.
I'm curious about 1501AL\476Be\045Be combination,maybe it's 9900SE:applaud:
BTW,i'm curious about your jbl shopping list also:D
At least we have the memories of what it was like back in the fun days!Quote:
Originally Posted by 4313B
:)
Ron sends...
What you mean is that the old one is better than the new one?:eek::Dwith sentimental reason:applaud:Quote:
Originally Posted by spkrman57
An acquaintance have them at home and he's very satisifed with them, I haven't listened to them myself:
http://www.hifisentralen.no/forum/in...h=288775;image
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Originally Posted by baldrick
I want those. Sometime. :dont-know:
Yep, it would be nice to have a contemporary set of Big Blues!
Where can we audition them and buy a pair?
:lurk:
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Originally Posted by baldrick
The room is too empty,your friend need to do some environment treatment.:blink:Quote:
Originally Posted by baldrick
Aesthetically, those are my idea of a speaker. Must be whatever turned me on in the formative years, but they speak of power, solidity, and performance/party!
I'd love to get a pair one day - the sooner the better.
I know what you mean... though for some reason they just don't do it for me. To me they just say poser. I know they are likely very good performers, but they are not the 43XXs they pretend to be. They are home speakers that are trying to look butch.Quote:
Originally Posted by mikebake
As far as the formative years bit, these are what did it for me at an early age.
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Oh, bloody hell! :rotfl:Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr. Widget
So the L300 was a poser and the 4333 was the real deal? :p
I view these things just like I view every JBL fifteen-inch three-way. Even the S4800 was a real JBL fifteen-inch three-way.
I'm so sorry! That's a helluva thing to have to see as a child. :crying:Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr. Widget
Attachment 54952Quote:
Originally Posted by 4313B
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Rob:)
No not at all... the L300 was a home speaker that borrowed the technology of the 4333A.Quote:
Originally Posted by 4313B
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Originally Posted by 4313B
Widget
Very nice set up. I was wondering if the valvmac had enough strengh for the 1501fe ? That kind of speaker is very sensible to the associate electronic. I had to turn something like 3-4 amps before the good one for 4338 !
Oh,no！they are real good things for both studio and home.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr. Widget
G.T said 4365 is flagship of 43xxs:applaud:
Thank you,very good test report,do you have English version?Quote:
Originally Posted by baldrick
Have any of our "usual suspects" here heard these in the flesh? They would seem to be pretty much a K2 S9900 (minus the beryllium tweeter) in a smaller (cheaper) box. Sounds like a decent recipe for some really nice sound if you ask me.
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jblnut
Thanks,waiting for your experienced opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by jblnut
Crickets and tumbleweeds eh? No one has heard the 4365 or wants to admit to it?
I found the thread from last year which discloses their Mexican heritage. Guess I know why they are getting the silent treatment here now.
Oh well, time to learn Japanese I guess. Surely some forums over there are extolling the virtues of the new line...
Jblnut
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Originally Posted by jblnut
I have inquired about them. It appears difficult to buy them-let alone hear them.
No problems auditioning them in Norway, Soundgarden have them on display in some of their shops. I only know one person haveing them at home and here's a litle "review" he wrote on another forum (google translated text):
A little update from the happy owner of JBL 4365
These have now been used daily since Christmas. After the sound to judge, I think they are as good as recorded. The manual says "Several" weeks. The change process has been fascinating to follow. Spec bass has gone from being boomy and gompete to be defined with a lovely touch without getting too fat. It is probably more generous than in the signature bass on my old Speaker (Silver Line), but it is probably because more JBL bass press a little higher up. Around 700 Hz.
Maximum strength of 4365 is in my ears the ability to get completely ordinary recordings to engage as never before.
Last night was the biggest gasp for air as "le miserables" and some stuff from Rolf Løvland
"Sound Garden with friends" project, was checked out.
"Bring Him Home" from the former and "you rise me up" with Brian Kennedy is beautiful prunes you either love or hate. Is not embarrassed to say that this is in my ears wonderful music. Nothing that is played often, but since I'm all-consuming they played in between all the jazz.
Previously, these recordings have been a bit boring with a midrange that has been difficult to achieve on an absolute troværdig way. Not anymore, 4365 is absolutely amazing in the midrange. Got the wife
to take a trip up the listening room, and she had to admit that this was great. Big words from the edge
Now it must be said that Buffalo dacen mine is very good now after the last upgrade of EXA usb. Where exactly this with the presence and realism were a lot better afterwards.
JBL 4365 ruler so it is a true delight here at home. Now I can die happy. Hallelujah!
Here is the original Norwegian thread from the owner.
Greg has said that this new fifteen has some real nice snap to it. I think Jerry did an outstanding job designing it.
Hopefully those who want a pair of these can get them.
Any idea what might be required to get a pair?Quote:
Originally Posted by 4313B
Are there normal channels CONUS folks can us to inquire on price or get a pair?
Or should we just contact KenRick and have them ship us a new pair from overseas (??!!??)
OMG - Ouchie on that Ebay sale listed above!! - $28k???
http://www.ebay.com/itm/ws/eBayISAPI...m=170796735756
JBL 4365 special order for my friend.
Ended: Mar 05, 201207:44:59 PST
Price: US $28,781.00
Two sold on eBay Mar 05, 2012
Interesting. Interesting comment with the sale description as well:Quote:
Originally Posted by Odd
This is special order for only my friend.
I wonder what that implies?:dont-know:
I've seen things like that before... uses ebay/paypal to broker the funds
... just put up for a specific person to "buy it now" as arranged ahead of time.
Seems odd to me, but maybe someone else can explain the logic (making
it worth the fees involved). :dont-know:
The official word as of moments ago is that they are not available in the USA.Quote:
Originally Posted by hjames
And on that note, think S4700. :)
Same drivers, more "living room" friendly look ?
jblnut
Different drivers, seemingly lower end, but according to those "in the know" at JBL it is "extremely dynamic and musical".Quote:
Originally Posted by jblnut
Widget
I would imagine that description would apply to any of the newer Array series or any other horn-loaded systems above the Array in the product line...
:D
The big question is why do we have to fly to Tokyo to hear them all (including the new 43xx line) in the same room at the same time to make a comparison ? But that's been beat to death here I know....
jblnut
True, but it was said with more than the usual enthusiasm by those that we tend to believe.Quote:
Originally Posted by jblnut
I must admit that when I read the spec sheet, I wasn't very impressed with the new S4700, but having heard the "report" from JBL, I wish I had an opportunity to give them a serious listen... I did see and "hear" them at CES, but the conditions were far from ideal. It was a noisy room full of people chatting etc.
Back on the topic of 4365... it really is a product designed for Japan. The fact that it is available in Europe has more to do with the distributors there than anything else. Big brown speakers are a really tough sell here in the US. I was talking to a customer yesterday who wanted to upgrade her home theater. When I mentioned some floor standing speakers, she made an ugly face and said, "We don't have to go back to the '70s do we?" I tried to explain that modern speakers don't look like the "brown bookshelf" speakers of the past... it was a really tough sell.
I understand why JBL doesn't want to offer too many of these systems over here, though it is a shame for those of us who are fanatical enthusiasts.
Widget
<stereo sound> editor had a review on 4365, he said 4365 is more powerful and strength comparing with relatively mild 9900.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr. Widget
After have been studying for these days,i found that JBL seems developed two killing combo:Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr. Widget
1.435AL+045TI (1400array,4338,4348,s4800,only woofers are different)
2.175Nd+138Nd (s4600,s4700,4429)
4365 maybe the JBL thirdth's combo try:476Mg+045TI (direct from 9900):confused:
Martin
GT said 4365 is a back to the JBL traditional:extension two way system.it mean they will seldem produce muti-way system?i think its not a good idea. :eek:
Not yet.Quote:
Have you measured the thiele/small parameters of the 1501FE?
Yes.Quote:
Does the 1501FE go as low as the 1500AL
Notice in the 4365 that Greg put it into a 4.2 cu ft box tuned around 30 Hz. In room response is usable to the mid twenties just like the 1500AL.
Here are some usable numbers.
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Originally Posted by martin_wu99
Hi,
could you expand on that review? what do you mean about "more powerful and strength"? Also, 'mild' 9900? Does mild = smooth/balanced/beautiful?
i am curious because i am very interested in this speaker. Thanks!!!
Tom, you are welcome.Quote:
Originally Posted by tom1040
According to the japanese said(STEREO SOUND editors),someone have complaimed about 9900 for its relatively mildness,mildness in here does not mean smooth... they said 4365 wil be more stronger and punchy;)
but i haven't had the pleasure to listen to 4365 by myslf:banghead:
BTW, you've just had 1400 inplace of 2600,what are you thinking about?:confused:
According to the designer of both systems, the S9900 is more musical (at twice the price) while the 4365 has greater impact. For those who prefer the sound of the S9900 but the price of the 4365 there is the S4700. :)
The only thing that bothers me with respect to the 1400 Array is its relatively low efficiency compared to the fifteens.
I'm looking at the Tannoy DC10A right now. I think it is interesting that Tannoy stacks a little ten-inch dual concentric driver up against the components of the 4365 or S4700 around the same price point. That must be one hell of a ten inch driver. :p
The DC10A will sell for £11,500 a pair when it goes on sale in the next couple of months and, says Tannoy's Tim Lount, is basically a version of the company's popular Kensington speaker in a more modern and stylish cabinet, with some serious added tuning along the way.
And quite frankly, when I sit down and evaluate all these systems the 1400 Array looks more and more attractive. To me it has the least amount of compromises, the greatest bang for the buck. Oh, and the horn is vertical like it should be. :p Bias the network and call it done. All the other systems, including the Everest II, you have to turn sideways at the very least. :rotfl:
Attachment 56298Attachment 56299Attachment 56300JBL expert,but the 9900 has different drivers comparing with 4700:confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by 4313B
To me,i just care about JBL horn SYSTEM,Tannoy is out of my sight:blink:
Yep. I too balk at the "lesser" components in the S4700 but the end result is supposedly more pleasant than the 4365. :dont-know: Of course we're just yapping here. One has to sit down and really listen to all these systems before deciding what they can live with. For me personally, I'm more interested in the components than the systems. If we are just talking components I consider the 4365 really tough to beat.Quote:
Originally Posted by martin_wu99
Quote; Bias the network and call it done.
What does this mean? Is it CC? Does it mean adjust for bi-amping? Can it be done fairly easily? I certainly would not touch the networks but if I could find someone who could.............how would this change affect the sound?
Sorry, just curious.
The 1400 Array network comes in two parts, the low frequency network and the horn network. I've been trying to get the horn network for several years to see what it would take to bias. The low frequency network is always in stock while the horn network is always out of stock.
It's easy!4313B will do all these thing for your 1400,don't forget he is a C-C network expert:applaud:Quote:
Originally Posted by tom1040
Easy? Not for me. I do not think 4313B would want to drive from Ohio to Maine. However, that is nice of you to offer his services though.:pQuote:
Originally Posted by martin_wu99
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Originally Posted by 4313B
So this needs to be done in two stages? What would occur if just the LF network was 'tweaked'? By the way, would this result in increased efficiently? You you say the network is out of stock, does that mean the Array horn module and network as it is when new?
Again, I am sorry for my uselessness in this area.:dont-know:
How far is it from Ohio to Maine?Quote:
Originally Posted by tom1040
But if you have cold bear,a big table dinner and a pretty girl prepared,he has no reason not to go your home:D
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Originally Posted by martin_wu99
Kinda' funny you should mention that.......I am pretty sure he/she was warm, but we had a large black bear within 15 feet of our home last week. It tore down the birdfeeder. It occured at about 2 a.m. and woke us up. Turned the lights on in the front year and ..boom...there it was. Apparently, they are stocking up on food before the winter is upon us. This has occured many times in Maine this year to homeowners.
That aside, I know you meant beer. I would have that. Pretty girl would be my wife but he is not going to have her....and we would have a few lobsters for the dinner table.
2 out of 3?;)
Really?a real bear within 15 feet of your home?horrible:eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by tom1040
Do you live near sea?lobster is one of my favorite food:applaud:
Enough of others promising Giskard-for-hire services in the Northeast :banana:
The big G himself has never made any such promises.
Back to the main topic - where exactly can we buy a JBL 4365 "monitor" and what would a pair cost us ...
I've been selling off my older speakers and a new quality JBL might be a worthwhile upgrade ...
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Originally Posted by martin_wu99
Yes. A big black bear within 15 feet of my home. Not to uncommon for this area, but certainly the first time in 22 years at this location that we have witnessed it. First and last, I hope-for my cats sake!:eek:
Yes. I live on the coast of Maine and the lobster industry is very large here. A lot of tax clients!
Sorry, hjames, I was just playing along. I did not and do not expect ANYONE to come to my 'rescue', so to speak.
So, Where could these interesting speakers be found(perferably on the East Coast of the US of A)?:dont-know:
I have checked the prices of 1400 and 4365 in China,1400 is 49K RMB,4365 is 60k RMB.Quote:
Originally Posted by hjames
You can order it in Hongkong too,the JBL dealer have stocks available,it maybe more cheaper.
No no = that is NOT what it will cost me ...Quote:
Originally Posted by martin_wu99
I am in Virginia, USA, not in Hong Kong or China.
Your Asian prices are NOT INFORMATIVE.
You do NOT need to reply to this -
let someone that KNOWS SOMETHING state the answer please.
May G.T. suggest the S4700? :)Quote:
Originally Posted by hjames
There is currently zero market for the 4365 in the U.S.
Thank you, but, now we are back to "where can I go hear a pair before I buy?"Quote:
Originally Posted by 4313B
Without flying cross-country to hear the LA collector's collection :banana:
Ah - from the S4700 thread ...
I think he's in Iowa...Quote:
Originally Posted by jpw
http://www.audioheritage.org/vbullet...5&d=1317057052
You can go to their new website, plug in your zip code and it will tell you who is near. The closest facility to me is ninety miles away and they are a "Displaying System Dealer".
For example:
DEALER: AUDIO VIDEO INTERIORS, INC. ADDRESS: 7204 PEARL ROAD CITY, STATE, ZIP: MIDDLEBURG HEIGHTS, OH 44130 PHONE: 440-886-6666 WEBSITE: CLICK HERE DISTANCE: 88.49mi CATEGORY: Displaying System Dealer ALSO CARRIES: Lexicon
http://www.audioheritage.org/vbullet...9&d=1317050664
Greater Cleveland, eh? I guess you could stop at Cedar Point, take the boat out to Perry's Victory Monument, and do some bird-watching at Ottawa National Wildlife Refuge on your trip. As for the "Displaying Dealer Part," I'd call first. ;)
In fact, I'd probably just skip that last part and go home early.
I have zero interest in going to hear a pair. I'll just end up wanting them. Hell, I already want them, why make it worse...
I blame Greg. :rotfl:
Ahhh - the new website ... silly me
Type in jbl.com - ok
Let see ... type in S4700 and ...
http://www.jbl.com/estore/jbl/us/sea...questid=143171
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Sheesh - maybe they could have a page that forwards you to where you can actually find out more ...
but yeah, no link on the JBL Harman site - that makes sense ...
maybe I need to guess - is it on Harman.com?? is it Synthesis.com?
oh where oh where can the product be found??
Okay - google says its http://www.jblsynthesis.com/ and there are 6 dealers in the the area - if by area you include PA and NJ
(just kidding, there is apparently a dealer in VA not too far and one in MD )
Well... ok... so JBL is having a severe identity crisis in its death throes...
You have to remember that a bunch of rat bags who don't even know what the **** a Lancer 77 is are trying to capitalize on a legendary brand name before it has virtually zero value left. :)
I understand - I do sympathize, really ... just not sure I want to reward such behaviour.Quote:
Originally Posted by 4313B
Certainly not for a pair of speakers in the $20,000 range.
But a Filene Basement sale is always welcome!!
As long as the badges don't say
JBL by Harmin'
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Originally Posted by 4313B
Zero market? Yes. Zero interest? No. I would (as many here would)like to hear them first. However, 'tis unlikely. I may have to suffer with the Arrays for now;) and look for a bargain in a few years.
Next time I visit my Dad who lives nearby I'll have to try and stop in and see what they have!
Ron sends...
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Do you like it?:applaud:Quote:
Originally Posted by tom1040
I love 'em! They are fairly cheap this year which is great for the consumer but bad for the fishermen.
Some Chinese in a Boston restaurant,they said it's cheap:dont-know:Quote:
Originally Posted by tom1040
Hi 4313B,Does that suggest that the 1500AL will also respond to a similar or slightly larger box (say 4.5-5 cu.ft)? What sort of port size are we talking about?Quote:
Originally Posted by 4313B
I think the 1500AL sounds excellent in a 4.5 to 5.0 cubic foot box tuned around 28 Hz.
I built a pair of two-ways using the 1500AL and H4338/476Be in five cubic foot boxes tuned to 28 Hz and I think the low end response is first class. I used dual 3" diameter ports. I consider them a perfect upgrade from the 4430.
I stopped in to see what they had and I did not recognize the JBL system they had on display. The spkrs were cone/dome types with nothing larger than 8" drivers in them.:(
They order systems for the customer from a catalogue. They were very limited on what could be ordered....:crying:
I'm glad I'm old enough to remember going to audio stores and seeing plenty of audio systems displayed and demo'd upon request. Those were the good old days!!! :bouncy:
Regards, Ron
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Originally Posted by 4313B
Well, not even Harman can afford to keep spares on hand anymore much less whole systems, so you can imagine what a brick and mortar store is up against. Especially given that pretty much anyone who buys from Harman knows to squat on their websites instead of going through Dealers. :p
Ha Ha Ha, I guess this was posted before the M2 was discovered.Quote:
Originally Posted by 4313B
Ah well, the 1500AL and H4338/476BE is definitely the better bet. Although I will admit to the desire to try out the M2 waveguide/horn.
Those days did have their moments. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by spkrman57
I was soooo tempted to buy all those L300 components that went up in the marketplace today but I just blew two grand on some Tannoys on Tuesday.
I could use some real JBL transducers made in the good old U.S.A. :D
I was so naive, I never imagined them moving Northridge. The possibility never entered my mind. :p
Regards, RonQuote:
Originally Posted by 4313B;344675
Ah well, the 1500AL and H4338/476BE is definitely the better bet.
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I joind the 4365 Club yesterday, so far they seems like lot of fun :)
Congratulations! I'm sure you'll love them even more with time.
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Congrats!!
How do they compare to your DIY Everests?
Nice Baldrick! Will be interesting to see what you think of them. I saw there were a pair for sale in Norway for a good price :)
Unfortuante I ended up selling my DIY Everest :(Quote:
Originally Posted by audiomagnate
But the previous owner of the 4365 did in fact have both org E2 and 4365 so I had the chance to audition both. Very similar sound but with different rooms, different Electronics and everything it's hard to compare.
He have a very Nice setup, and the 4365 is now going to be replaced With E1 :D
http://www.hifisentralen.no/forumet/...181039_025.jpg
Sweet!Quote:
Originally Posted by baldrick
Hope you love them as I do!
Barry.
Hi Baldrick,
In my room I thought the bass was quite good and certainly not in the "Voiced for Japan" camp. From the photo above it looks like you'll have a lot of gain due to corner placement. How is that working for you?
Widget
The Picture doesn't tell the entire truth, the room is quite large and they are not as put in the corner as it seems. So it's not very boomy and certainly not too much bass gain so to my taste it works very well :)
Awesome!Quote:
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