W1500H vs 2269H

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12-24-2017, 07:45 PM
Blackdevil77

W1500H vs 2269H

I know this is probably a ridiculous question, but which driver do you think is better suited for a large, dedicated home theater space with accuracy and uncolored sound reproduction as top priority? I'm considering SUB18's or S2S-EX's for the theater room and they will be in the company of M2's as L/C/R. Desired output will be achieved by adding however many number of subs are needed. Also considering the 5628's since I hear they are a better value over the SUB18.

What is the peak to peak excursion of the W1500H driver? I know the 2269 has a 3.5 inch peak to peak excursion (89mm).
12-26-2017, 06:41 AM
Blackdevil77

One more unrelated question that comes to mind is the S1S-EX and the S2S-EX. I know physics dictate that the S1S-EX should be the superior sub being more efficient, having greater output capability etc, but from those that heard both, which do you prefer and why? I notice the FR graph for the S2S-EX seems more linear until about 25hz where it gradually starts to roll off, whereas the S1S-EX seems to be on a gradual downward slope from 80hz down. It's down almost 15db at 20hz from 80hz. I know eq can fix this, but it seems like the natural FR is a bit more linear on the S2S-EX.
12-26-2017, 07:51 AM
baldrick

If you want max SQ: W1500H
If you want max SPL: 2269H
If you want max SPL pr/$ and doesn't need too much output below 25hz: 2242H

You shouldn't care that much about xmax, and as far as I remember the 89mm on 2269 is not at all correct, I think it's +-19mm.
12-26-2017, 08:00 AM
Blackdevil77

Quote:

Originally Posted by baldrick

If you want max SQ: W1500H
If you want max SPL: 2269H
If you want max SPL pr/$ and doesn't need too much output below 25hz: 2242H

You shouldn't care that much about xmax, and as far as I remember the 89mm on 2269 is not at all correct, I think it's +-19mm.

That is interesting. Sound quality is most important, if more SPL is needed, you can just add more subs. I hear at Cedia 2015 they used 8 S2S-EXs and I heard great things about that demo.
12-26-2017, 11:09 AM
hlaari

I think at the X-max is close to be similar for both W1500H and 2269G/H and both are great for sub in home hifi or HT systems and light year better than 2242H

2242H are great PA low frequency woofer and that was he made for
12-26-2017, 11:11 AM
hlaari

Quote:

Originally Posted by baldrick

If you want max SQ: W1500H
If you want max SPL: 2269H
If you want max SPL pr/$ and doesn't need too much output below 25hz: 2242H

You shouldn't care that much about xmax, and as far as I remember the 89mm on 2269 is not at all correct, I think it's +-19mm.

89mm is the X-max before damage for 2269G/H
12-26-2017, 12:46 PM
Blackdevil77

Thanks for the info. Looks like multiples of the S2S-EX should do it, or the SUB18. I was toying with the idea of the mammoth 5628 since it's a better value than the SUB18.
12-26-2017, 01:37 PM
hlaari

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blackdevil77

Thanks for the info. Looks like multiples of the S2S-EX should do it, or the SUB18. I was toying with the idea of the mammoth 5628 since it's a better value than the SUB18.

It look´s like the specs for S2S-EX are very good, but the enclosure are quite ugly!
I would like to try my pair of W1500H in enclosure similar like the VT-4881 (2256G) with nice veneer finish
12-26-2017, 03:38 PM
baldrick

Quote:

Originally Posted by hlaari

I think at the X-max is close to be similar for both W1500H and 2269G/H and both are great for sub in home hifi or HT systems and light year better than 2242H

2242H are great PA low frequency woofer and that was he made for

Have you used 2269H?

2269h might be better than 2242 but not at all light years... more output below 30hz but I honestly did not think they sounded very Different when I replaced them, 2242 is a Nice driver.

W1500H is great and If you use several IT will probably be an excellent choise for HT use, but that is also the other drivers
12-26-2017, 05:28 PM
Blackdevil77

Quote:

Originally Posted by baldrick

Have you used 2269H?

2269h might be better than 2242 but not at all light years... more output below 30hz but I honestly did not think they sounded very Different when I replaced them, 2242 is a Nice driver.

W1500H is great and If you use several IT will probably be an excellent choise for HT use, but that is also the other drivers

How would you compare the W1500H to the 2269h? Besides output, which obviously the 2269h would beat out the W1500h.
12-26-2017, 08:54 PM
DS-21

Keep in mind that the 2269H has the same type of motor as the M2. The W1500H is an older type design, with large ferrite magnet.

I'm sure they're both great subs. The predecessor to the W1500H, Revel/JBL SUB1500, certainly was. But at those prices I'd want the latest-greatest tech.
12-27-2017, 02:24 AM
hlaari

Quote:

Originally Posted by baldrick

Have you used 2269H?

2269h might be better than 2242 but not at all light years... more output below 30hz but I honestly did not think they sounded very Different when I replaced them, 2242 is a Nice driver.

W1500H is great and If you use several IT will probably be an excellent choise for HT use, but that is also the other drivers

2242H, 2241H and 2240H can be used as sub with a lot of EQ
2242H is a nice driver for that he were made for, good for bass and even midbass with low distortion
https://www.jblpro.com/pages/pub/components/2242.pdf

2269H, W1500H and the Revel 18" woofer are made for sub with way more X-max and much lower fs so they will handle better the frequency under 40Hz
12-27-2017, 06:08 AM
Blackdevil77

Quote:

Originally Posted by DS-21

Keep in mind that the 2269H has the same type of motor as the M2. The W1500H is an older type design, with large ferrite magnet.

I'm sure they're both great subs. The predecessor to the W1500H, Revel/JBL SUB1500, certainly was. But at those prices I'd want the latest-greatest tech.

I wonder why JBL didn't use the SUB18 at CEDIA when they were using M2s up front. I would assume they would of wanted to showcase them rather than using 8 of the older S2S-EX subs.
12-27-2017, 06:05 PM
baldrick

Quote:

Originally Posted by DS-21

Keep in mind that the 2269H has the same type of motor as the M2. The W1500H is an older type design, with large ferrite magnet.

I'm sure they're both great subs. The predecessor to the W1500H, Revel/JBL SUB1500, certainly was. But at those prices I'd want the latest-greatest tech.

I disagree.... First, 2269H is aprox 10 years (?) now and not at all new, and the DD design used is even older. And what about i.e. E2 and K2 speakers, they use "similar" technology as W1500H and not like 2269h. So I mean that this is not something one should consider important at all, and both are very good.

I thought 2269H was great but I would imagine that W1500H will dig a bit deeper than 2269h and sound at least equally good, probably even better, but 2269H will play louder and give more "cinema like" bass.
12-27-2017, 07:23 PM
Blackdevil77

Quote:

Originally Posted by baldrick

I disagree.... First, 2269H is aprox 10 years (?) now and not at all new, and the DD design used is even older. And what about i.e. E2 and K2 speakers, they use "similar" technology as W1500H and not like 2269h. So I mean that this is not something one should consider important at all, and both are very good.

I thought 2269H was great but I would imagine that W1500H will dig a bit deeper than 2269h and sound at least equally good, probably even better, but 2269H will play louder and give more "cinema like" bass.

Getting a bit more technical, what about the W1500H would allow it to dig a bit deeper than the 2269h?
12-27-2017, 11:27 PM
ivica

Quote:

Originally Posted by baldrick

I disagree.... First, 2269H is aprox 10 years (?) now and not at all new, and the DD design used is even older. And what about i.e. E2 and K2 speakers, they use "similar" technology as W1500H and not like 2269h. So I mean that this is not something one should consider important at all, and both are very good.

I thought 2269H was great but I would imagine that W1500H will dig a bit deeper than 2269h and sound at least equally good, probably even better, but 2269H will play louder and give more "cinema like" bass.

Hi baldrick,

May be production cost, and users willing to pay is very important factor (remember JBL 1500AL, JBL 475BE driver as example).
MAy be it would be inetresting to compare THD on teh same sound level between 2269 and w1500H

regards
ivica
12-28-2017, 01:41 AM
hlaari

Quote:

Originally Posted by ivica

Hi baldrick,

May be production cost, and users willing to pay is very important factor (remember JBL 1500AL, JBL 475BE driver as example).
MAy be it would be inetresting to compare THD on teh same sound level between 2269 and w1500H

regards
ivica

It look´s like 2269G/H are very good driver with very low THD
http://www.audioheritage.org/vbullet...hp?22679-2269h

I have not seen the THD for W1500H
12-28-2017, 01:48 AM
hlaari

Quote:

Originally Posted by baldrick

I disagree.... First, 2269H is aprox 10 years (?) now and not at all new, and the DD design used is even older. And what about i.e. E2 and K2 speakers, they use "similar" technology as W1500H and not like 2269h. So I mean that this is not something one should consider important at all, and both are very good.

I thought 2269H was great but I would imagine that W1500H will dig a bit deeper than 2269h and sound at least equally good, probably even better, but 2269H will play louder and give more "cinema like" bass.

I think at both 2269G/H and W1500H will have similar low end
W1500H can do that in smaller enclosure
2269G/H will of course play louder

http://www.jblpro.com/www/products/r...8#.WkSu6Lp2uUk
http://www.jblpro.com/ProductAttachm...heet060717.pdf
12-28-2017, 06:46 AM
martin_wu99

Quote:

Originally Posted by baldrick

If you want max SQ: W1500H
If you want max SPL: 2269H
If you want max SPL pr/$ and doesn't need too much output below 25hz: 2242H

You shouldn't care that much about xmax, and as far as I remember the 89mm on 2269 is not at all correct, I think it's +-19mm.

How about 2245 that used in 4345?can it be replaced by 2242 or another?
12-28-2017, 07:10 AM
hlaari

Quote:

Originally Posted by martin_wu99

How about 2245 that used in 4345?can it be replaced by 2242 or another?

no, 2245 can not be replaced by 2242 in the 4345 monitor
but there is possible to use 2269 instead of 2245
12-28-2017, 07:12 AM
martin_wu99

Quote:

Originally Posted by hlaari

no, 2245 can not be replaced by 2242 in the 4345 monitor
but there is possible to use 2269 instead of 2245

Great idea:applaud:Why did JBL only have one 18'' studio monitor?
12-28-2017, 09:05 PM
DS-21

Quote:

Originally Posted by baldrick

I disagree.... First, 2269H is aprox 10 years (?) now and not at all new, and the DD design used is even older.

DD + neo is newer tech than SFG + ferrite. That's not up for debate.

More importantly for the context of my recommendation, it's the same motor tech as the woofer in the OP's mains.

Quote:

Originally Posted by baldrick

And what about i.e. E2 and K2 speakers, they use "similar" technology as W1500H and not like 2269h.

And if the OP planned on matching subs with E2 or K2, my recommendation would've been opposite...

That said, earlier this month I was in NYC for work so I visited the Harman Store on Madison. They had a basement room with a full Levinson rig that drove either Revel Salon 2 or JBL K2. So I was able to A/B them. I was genuinely surprised how much better the Salon 2 sounded than the K2. Much more spacious, much cleaner midrange, airier. No less punchy, either.
01-01-2018, 08:38 PM
Jonas_h

Quote:

Originally Posted by baldrick

If you want max SQ: W1500H
If you want max SPL: 2269H
If you want max SPL pr/$ and doesn't need too much output below 25hz: 2242H

You shouldn't care that much about xmax, and as far as I remember the 89mm on 2269 is not at all correct, I think it's +-19mm.

I have to disagree. Having listened several times to S1S-EX and S2S-EX, I think SQ is ahead on the 2242H compared to the W1500H. Difficult to describe bass, but S1S-EX sounds tighter, cleaner and more effortless. (With focus on ~25hz-100hz).
01-01-2018, 08:49 PM
Blackdevil77

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jonas_h

I have to disagree. Having listened several times to S1S-EX and S2S-EX, I think SQ is ahead on the 2242H compared to the W1500H. Difficult to describe bass, but S1S-EX sounds tighter, cleaner and more effortless. (With focus on ~25hz-100hz).

How are those SUB18's treating you? I'm assuming those should be ahead of both the 2242H and W1500H units.
02-13-2018, 06:01 AM
Jonas_h

They're treating me very well :) Calibrated the system this weekend and I think the result so far is very good. They are articulate and reveals all nuances in the bass. They do sound different than my previous S1S-EX subs especially below ~40hz where they are more dynamic and more "controlled". The impact is scary.

I cross the M2s and SUB18s at 80hz and it sounds like a complete system. Not "speakers and subs".
02-13-2018, 08:00 AM
Valentin

Sub18 specially if you are using the M2

their is a special setting (harman ) if you are using dci cdi or itech amps
02-13-2018, 08:05 AM
Jonas_h

Where do you find SUB18 settings? I'm using BSS Soundwebs. But I could replicate from the DCi settings if needed
02-13-2018, 08:16 AM
Valentin

http://www.jblpro.com/www/products/r...-broadcast/m2#

Tunnings
02-13-2018, 08:36 AM
Jonas_h

Quote:

Originally Posted by Valentin

http://www.jblpro.com/www/products/r...-broadcast/m2#

Tunnings

That's for M2 and not SUB18? Or am I looking the wrong place?
02-13-2018, 09:13 AM
Valentin

Look inside the files

there you will find for the M2 and also for the Sub18
09-09-2020, 04:36 AM
Bassdabob

5 Attachment(s)

JBL 2269H details

Here some Detail Pictures from beloved 2269H
09-09-2020, 04:39 AM
Bassdabob

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maybee you find this helpful. with the damper/spider and surrounder +-19 seems realistic. but not 45mm each direction.

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