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John
02-04-2006, 04:16 PM
Thinking about picking up either a Fender Blues Deluxe or
A Fender Blues Junior.:hmm:

Any one got any input good or bad on either one of these amps.:)-:(

I would like to throw in a E120-8 in it as well.?

I have used a JMP 50 watt half stack since the late 80's and plan on keeping it till the end but want a small combo I could move up and down thru the house with out throwing out my back.:banghead:

Hamilton
02-04-2006, 05:24 PM
I've owned/own them all and was/am not too impressed with either the Blues Deluxe or the Blues Jr. The overdrive AND the reverb circuit in both those amps is sorely lacking, very cheezy sounding.

You haven't mentioned what kind of tone you want from a Fender. If it's typical Fender surf/country/blues/rock-a-billy I would look for a clean old silverface Deluxe Reverb/Vibrolux Reverb/Princeton Reverb/Pro Reverb. But if you want an amp NOW, then I would look at the Deluxe Reverb reissue.

But if you are looking for distortion out of the two you mentioned above, forget it....your Marshall will kill 'em both.

Is your JMP a 2204?

John
02-04-2006, 06:40 PM
Hi Well I sure don't want no cheese in my sound!!!

As far as what sound I am after, stinging blues, rock-a-billy, surf sound. I am looking for what a fender circuit can do that the Marshall can't. As well as something that I could relocate to any of my three levels in the house with out popping pain killers for my back later.

Yes the Marshall is a 2204 50 Watt head + slant back loaded with 4-100 watt celestionshttp://audioheritage.csdco.com/vbulletin/images/smilies/biting.gif

Zilch
02-04-2006, 07:32 PM
As well as something that I could relocate to any of my three levels in the house with out popping pain killers for my back later.You might wanna rethink the JBL part, then.... :p

[Hand truck?]

pelly3s
02-04-2006, 07:44 PM
i have to say the blues junior is my favorite amp ever made for the money

if you want something that is small but can compete with the marshall take a look at either the kits at http://www.tedweber.com/ or give voodoo amps a look http://voodooamps.com/ the make what they call the V-plex 50 2x12

John
02-04-2006, 08:12 PM
You might wanna rethink the JBL part, then.... :p

[Hand truck?]

I hear what your saying about the jbl adding weight. I can handle the 50 watt Marshall head no problem as it's not the weight but the physical size of the 4x10 bottom that a bitch to lug up and down the levels of the house.:banghead:

John
02-04-2006, 08:14 PM
i have to say the blues junior is my favorite amp ever made for the money

if you want something that is small but can compete with the marshall take a look at either the kits at http://www.tedweber.com/ or give voodoo amps a look http://voodooamps.com/ the make what they call the V-plex 50 2x12

I will check into those links, thanks and keep it coming!!!:D

pelly3s
02-04-2006, 08:20 PM
I will let you know Trace at Voodoo is great. He has some great products

Hamilton
02-05-2006, 01:05 PM
Yes the Marshall is a 2204 50 Watt head + slant back loaded with 4-100 watt celestionshttp://audioheritage.csdco.com/vbulletin/images/smilies/biting.gif
Ah, a late model JMP Canadian head!

Another amp to consider is the Fender Pro Jr, 15 watts of pure tube tone. Plus, if you ever "need more" just plug that little guy into the Marshall slant and your jaw will drop at the tone.

John
02-05-2006, 02:59 PM
I believe it to be of 1982 vintage as the ser.# ends with a "N"

I bought it used from the first owner in 1988 for $325.00 Canadian

It was a good price back then, and right now as well I would think?

Hamilton
02-05-2006, 05:46 PM
"N" is an '81, which was just about the end of the JMP era. Those are easy to spot having the large radii at the corners of the control panel.

Anyway, could luck with your amp search.

John
02-05-2006, 08:06 PM
Hi Hamilton I always have wondered what the JMP implied, and have heard a few different stories. Would you happen to know? I have a feeling with your collection of Marshalls you would know and be correct as well.:hmm:

Hamilton
02-05-2006, 08:54 PM
JTM = James, Terry (his son), Marshall {'62-'67}

JMP = Jim Marshall Products {'68-'81}

JCM(800-900-2000) James Charles Marshall {'82-current}

John
02-06-2006, 03:08 AM
Wow Great info!!! :applaud:

I kind of thought it was something like that. The JMP part, but was told I was wrong by a few locals.:(

Is the last one his son as well? :)

edgewound
02-06-2006, 09:51 AM
Hi Well I sure don't want no cheese in my sound!!!

As far as what sound I am after, stinging blues, rock-a-billy, surf sound. I am looking for what a fender circuit can do that the Marshall can't. As well as something that I could relocate to any of my three levels in the house with out popping pain killers for my back later.

Yes the Marshall is a 2204 50 Watt head + slant back loaded with 4-100 watt celestionshttp://audioheritage.csdco.com/vbulletin/images/smilies/biting.gif

Hey John,

Try a Rivera R55-12 single 12" combo. You get both Marshall and Fender tones in the same amp with even more flexibility...Rivera has some smaller amps too....30, 40 watts. I use a Rivera Knucklehead 55 head with one E120-8...get lots of compliments on the tone.....crystal clean to downright nasty...and all points in between.

Hamilton
02-06-2006, 10:07 AM
No, it's Jim all the way. There was no word of his son having anything to do with the business after the "JTM" change. It started out with Terry having a falling out with Pete Townshend of The Who over an outstanding bill (ends up Pete was right) and that was the last of the relationship with Terry AND The Who with Marshall Amplification. Interestingly, it was Pete who actually had the idea to build the first Marshall full stack.

John, I was re-reading my intitial post and I wanna make a change of opinion regarding the Blues Deluxe. That amp has great reverb but only cheezy overdrive, and I do like those but not as much as a Deluxe Reverb.

johnaec
02-06-2006, 12:45 PM
...that was the last of the relationship with Terry AND The Who with Marshall Amplification.Didn't the Who then go to "Hiwatt" amps? They look so much like Marshalls - 'any connection? (Maybe this should get moved to Off Topic...)

John

Hamilton
02-06-2006, 05:42 PM
Hey John,

Yes, after the disagreement with Marshall Dave Reeves of HIWATT (who used to be with Sound City) worked out a deal with Townshend and Entwistle, I'm guessing around '67. BTW, Townshend was also responsible for getting Jim Marshall to build his first 100 watter. Marshall didn't have any 100 watt output transformers at the time so they "paralleled" two 50 watt OT's together; an interesting amp for sure.

Anyway, outside of being "arena" sized rock 'n roll amps with 4x12 speaker cabs, the HIWATTS and Marshalls don't share a lot internally - Marshalls resembling something built in a guy's garage while HIWATTS look like they are built by NASA. Here are two chassis pics for comparison (HIWATT pic courtesy of mhuss.com)

http://mhuss.com/Hiwatt/images/alppu_guts.jpg

http://www.marshallcrunch.com/hamilton/Marshall-1959-files/1959-Chassis.jpg