JBL 4333B or L 300?

[Peter Becker]

Which Monitor is more rare and expensive?Have the L300 or 4333B the better Sound?What is your Opinion?I have both and Iam not Onassis so I must sell 4333B or L300.It is not easy!

[saeman]

Peter: Components are essentially the same in both systems unless there is an alnico/ferrite magnet difference in the two systems. If you get the 4333B's up off the floor and tilted back shooting into your listening area like the L300, you will not likely hear any difference. On a good ebay day the L300 will bring more - livingroom friendly issue most likely. If I were you, I'd sell the L300's and keep the 4333B's. If you move into some extra bucks and regret selling a pair, the L300's are easier to locate. You don't see nice 4333's for sale too often. My two cents worth - you can send payment to --- just kidding!! Rick

[pangea]

Which Monitor is more rare and expensive?Have the L300 or 4333B the better Sound?What is your Opinion?I have both and Iam not Onassis so I must sell 4333B or L300.It is not easy!

Which ever pair you decide to sell, you will regret it, trust me.
I had a pair of L300's many years ago and I could still want to kick myself in the rear, every time the L300's are mentioned. :banghead:

If there is a way for you to avoid selling some speakers, then do so. I'd rather sell my car if I had to.

BR
Roland

[Peter Becker]

Which ever pair you decide to sell, you will regret it, trust me.
I had a pair of L300's many years ago and I could still want to kick myself in the rear, every time the L300's are mentioned. :banghead:

If there is a way for you to avoid selling some speakers, then do so. I'd rather sell my car if I had to.

BR
Roland

I think you are right.May be I keep both JBL .

[Audiobeer]

Which Monitor is more rare and expensive?Have the L300 or 4333B the better Sound?What is your Opinion?I have both and Iam not Onassis so I must sell 4333B or L300.It is not easy!

Peter, both are essentialy the same speakers.....however if you do decide to sell a pair as i did (See my Icon) you'll understand which I regret selling the most. I had both. It is the L300 that I will reaquire as soon as I can. :D

[4313B]

4333B for me. It's all about the blue baffles.

Everyone who is anyone has to own at least one pair of JBL's sporting Studio Monitor Blue baffles. ;)

[pangea]

4333B for me. It's all about the blue baffles.

Everyone who is anyone has to own at least one pair of JBL's sporting Studio Monitor Blue baffles. ;)

Do my DIY MTM hybrids count? :o:

BR
Roland

[Peter Becker]

The 4333Bs are near Mint Condition and the L300 must have any Cosmetic.So thats it.:banghead:

[Peter Becker]

Is the 4341 or 4343 much better as L300 or 4333B?:banghead:

[Audiobeer]

I've never heard a 4341, but IMO there is not much of a comparison to my ears (4343 Vs L-300). The 4343s just go a little farther! :D

[Rolf]

4333B for me. It's all about the blue baffles.

Everyone who is anyone has to own at least one pair of JBL's sporting Studio Monitor Blue baffles. ;)

How is it that I "never" seems to disagree with you???:banghead:

Rolf

[Rolf]

Is the 4341 or 4343 much better as L300 or 4333B?:banghead:

Hi. The 4343 has a lot more "sound", power, details... If you really want to upgrade (L300/4333 or 4343) let Guido build new crossovers. The difference will be the same.

Rolf

[remusr]

Rolf - are you saying that the L300 xover can be improved substantially? How? enough to make it sound las good as a 4343 or so?

[norealtalent]

Like Ken say's, "once you try black, you will never go back!"
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4333B for me. It's all about the blue baffles.

Everyone who is anyone has to own at least one pair of JBL's sporting Studio Monitor Blue baffles. ;)

[4313B]

I've done numerous baffle colors over the last quarter century and liked pretty much all of them. ;) I even did a pair of custom 4333's exactly as shown below. I had to. I was obsessed.:rotfl:

[invstbiker]

Good morning, Can one of you guru's tell the audience the difference between the a & b model AND I have a pair of 4333A's supposedly out of Peter Frampton's Westchester County studio. (although I have no paperwork to prove it, maybe I can get him to sign them someday, that's a good story! :D ). Anyway, Rolf, Guido, what mods can be done to the crossovers to "make em' better?". I've searched this site hi & lo and am coming up without an answer. I am by no means an electronic fix it, tune up guy, the best I can muster would be tinning wire :bouncy: . I could however remove them for an upgrade and send them out. PM me with that kind of info please or post here.

Thx, Steve

[John]

I am not a expert but I would guess if you do the by-pass cap thingy you might get a bit of improvement. But I do not think there is any way to make a 3 way sound as accurate as a 4 way.:blah:

[Tom Loizeaux]

Though the L300 and 4333 are very similar, I always liked the 4333 approach to functional design. To me, the tilt back cabinet, tan grille cloth and the glass top type touches simply compromised the intent of a good, straight forward functional design. When you try to make speaker cabinets that "fit a decor", you will most likely be making compromises in sonic performance or in extra cost. Both of these speakers should be put on some base to get them up off the floor, so the tilt back thing doesn't really make sense.
Many of the other vintage JBL models came in a choice of finishes, typically walnut w/ blue grilles or studio gray w/ black grilles. At least these variations didn't alter the cabinet shape or size.
If the L300 don't have the ferrite magnets on the woofers, then that might be reason enough to go with the 4333Bs.

Just my $.02

Tom

[Peter Becker]

Though the L300 and 4333 are very similar, I always liked the 4333 approach to functional design. To me, the tilt back cabinet, tan grille cloth and the glass top type touches simply compromised the intent of a good, straight forward functional design. When you try to make speaker cabinets that "fit a decor", you will most likely be making compromises in sonic performance or in extra cost. Both of these speakers should be put on some base to get them up off the floor, so the tilt back thing doesn't really make sense.
Many of the other vintage JBL models came in a choice of finishes, typically walnut w/ blue grilles or studio gray w/ black grilles. At least these variations didn't alter the cabinet shape or size.
If the L300 don't have the ferrite magnets on the woofers, then that might be reason enough to go with the 4333Bs.

Just my $.02

Tom I think the 4333Bs sound a little bit more acurate as the L300.I will keep the 4333bs.So I dont know if the 4341 or 4343 is an upgrade to the 4333.I am a little bit sceptical,because the Members always speak about modification to the 4343 crossover and so on.For me this is a sign the People are not very satisfied with the 4343?

[Zilch]

I am a little bit sceptical,because the Members always speak about modification to the 4343 crossover and so on.For me this is a sign the People are not very satisfied with the 4343? [***SNORT***]

[4313B]

I am a little bit sceptical,because the Members always speak about modification to the 4343 crossover and so on.For me this is a sign the People are not very satisfied with the 4343?That would probably be a poor conclusion. Consider the source - this board is full of tinker types. The L300/4333 network can absolutely stand a few modifications. :)

[Fangio]

I think the 4333Bs sound a little bit more acurate as the L300.I will keep the 4333bs.
Main criterium should always be your ears, right?

So I dont know if the 4341 or 4343 is an upgrade to the 4333.I am a little bit sceptical,because the Members always speak about modification to the 4343 crossover and so on.For me this is a sign the People are not very satisfied with the 4343?
Can't come to that conclusion, after reading many threads concerning 4343s at this forum. IMHO the JBL 4-ways are obviously an improvement, and probably better balanced systems compared to the 3-ways. Everything else would be a surprise also, regarding the effort that has been made by JBL to develop them (and the effort that several members have invested to keep these speakers alive). Saying this, i have to admit i can't speak of own experiences so far, but hope to be able to, sometimes this year. :bouncy:

Though the L300 and 4333 are very similar, I always liked the 4333 approach to functional design. To me, the tilt back cabinet, tan grille cloth and the glass top type touches simply compromised the intent of a good, straight forward functional design. When you try to make speaker cabinets that "fit a decor", you will most likely be making compromises in sonic performance or in extra cost. Both of these speakers should be put on some base to get them up off the floor, so the tilt back thing doesn't really make sense.
Many of the other vintage JBL models came in a choice of finishes, typically walnut w/ blue grilles or studio gray w/ black grilles. At least these variations didn't alter the cabinet shape or size.
If the L300 don't have the ferrite magnets on the woofers, then that might be reason enough to go with the 4333Bs.

Just my $.02

Tom

Perfect description of my thoughts too, couldn't say it better. Personally I like, or prefer the functional look of the studio monitors too. Thats why i wasn't sooo much after them, when i had the chance. But for sure most L300 owners will disagree, its a question of personal taste, and they are outstanding speakers.
Peter, i'm sure you won't loose money when ebaying them, or selling them locally – no doubt. And please ignore me when i try to buy them back from you - i would be tempted to butcher them for the 077s and 136s (reconed as 2235s), and fill my 4343 cabs with them. :duck: (http://misc.php?do=getsmilies&wysiwyg=1&forumid=2#)

[Rolf]

Rolf - are you saying that the L300 xover can be improved substantially? How? enough to make it sound las good as a 4343 or so?

The crossover on 4333/L300 can be improved a lot, but you can't get it to sound like the 4343 as they are two different speakers.

Rolf

[Tom Loizeaux]

... I dont know if the 4341 or 4343 is an upgrade to the 4333.I am a little bit sceptical,because the Members always speak about modification to the 4343 crossover and so on.For me this is a sign the People are not very satisfied with the 4343?

Not really! The fact that 4343 owners are looking for crossover upgrades is because they have decided that these 4-way 4343s are so good that they are "keepers". Upgrading the crossovers, or maybe using fresh 2235H woofers are the only things that need to be done to make them "state of the art". The 4333s are not quite up to the sonic quality of the 4343s and therefore don't get all the efforts to perfect them that the 4343/45s do.

Tom

[invstbiker]

OK, I'll try it again

1. What is the difference between the A&B 4333 model?

2. Who here does crossover mods for members? What are the mods and approx cost?

3. Anybody interested? :)

[Robh3606]

My quess would be the alnico to ferrite conversion would be the main driver changes. From a 2231A to 2231H. No network changes on the schematics.

Rob:)

[Peter Becker]

I hope the modifications dont kill the JBL Sound!

[paragon]

Of course L300 !
Similar to the Mon but with the better very good looking enclosure !:D

[mvaldes]

OK, I'll try it again

1. What is the difference between the A&B 4333 model?



as Rob wrote, just alnico to ferrite change on woofer

[4313B]

I hope the modifications dont kill the JBL Sound!Now do you honestly think we are out running amok killing the JBL sound?

I'm getting bored schooling you guys...

[invstbiker]

THX ROBH & Mvaldes for the A&B Difference. The chart really helps :) ,


NOW, any guns for hire to upgrade my crossovers? Or is it possible this is "oh so secret" info here?

[Ian Mackenzie]

Peter, With only 20 posts on the board you have an odd way of gaining credibility.

Steve, speaking from experience you might try at least bypassing or charge - coupling the networks.

These were developments implemented by JBL that followed in successive models and other product ranges over time. So its reasonable to assume these updates will enhance the JBL sound. Giskard has pretty well pioneered these updates on the forums.

If you use the search function there are numerous threads on this topic..


Enjoy

[Audiobeer]

Now do you honestly think we are out running amok killing the JBL sound?

I'm getting bored schooling you guys...


:applaud: No way!

[4313B]

That reminds me Audiobeer... isn't it time you posted a few pictures of those loudspeakers you've been working on? :)

[boputnam]

Everyone who is anyone has to own at least one pair of JBL's sporting Studio Monitor Blue baffles. ;)I have four pair, and it still ain't enough. I've secretly figured it IS the sound. All that component and signal path hocus-pocus have absolutely nothing to do with it... :p

[Titanium Dome]

4333B for me. It's all about the blue baffles.

Everyone who is anyone has to own at least one pair of JBL's sporting Studio Monitor Blue baffles. ;)


Missed the boat again! No blue here. :(

Heck, those darn 4430s I got don't have blue baffles either. :no:

Even in JBL Land, I'm such a dork! :rotfl:

[majick47]

Finally joined the "blue baffles", a pair of 4301b. Also swapped out my L300 136a woofers to 2235h woofers.

[Peter Becker]

Now do you honestly think we are out running amok killing the JBL sound?

I'm getting bored schooling you guys...

OK Dad

[4313B]

OK Dad.

[Guido]

The crossover on 4333/L300 can be improved a lot, but you can't get it to sound like the 4343 as they are two different speakers.

Rolf

Rolf says it! NO xover mod can substitude the 10inch mid driver. Should be clear.
The 43xx crossover benefit from:
- Changing the old caps to new and better types
- Bypassing the caps
- biasing the whole mess (do a search for "charge couple" or "biased")
If you feel confident to do it yourself, do it.
If you need help, ask loud and clear for help and you'll get it.

Non of the experts here will ever kill the "JBL sound". Permanent banning would be the result ;)

[Guido]

OK Dad

Hey Peter,

you should use the knowledge of Giskard instead of writing stupid nonsense. I'm sure he knows the answers to your handful of speaker questions :p

[Peter Becker]

Ok Sorry for my stupid nonsense.I am not the JBL Doctor.

[4313B]

It's too bad these threads have to turn out this way.

[Rolf]

It's too bad these threads have to turn out this way.

Hey Giskard. Remember in the "old days" you was probably learning too. Let us (mostly you) share what we know to the "not so learned". After we are gone somebody has to give it away. You with all of your tecnical an other know-how, and maybe me with the little I know reagrding to listening to sound.

Your friend Rolf in Norway.

[4313B]

Aren't you happy as hell you didn't have me build you those 4333 networks back then Rolf? It worked out after all didn't it. I'm really quite happy you ended up with the 4343's.

[Audiobeer]

That reminds me Audiobeer... isn't it time you posted a few pictures of those loudspeakers you've been working on? :)

Still working on them! A couple of the cabinets are giving me hell. I have 2 cans of Bo Blue and can't figure which one is correct. Also have 4 LE10H still waiting on foam which brings me to Gordon......I Forgot! Check is in the mail for the 4 foams. Please don't rush them as it's the onle excuse I got left to finish them! 2 pair are done but all 4 pairs are coming out together....or not at all! :blink:

[Rolf]

Aren't you happy as hell you didn't have me build you those 4333 networks back then Rolf? It worked out after all didn't it. I'm really quite happy you ended up with the 4343's.

Well, not really Giskard. At that time I really wanted those networks you build, but as the systems was stolen it doesent matter anymore.

Me to are happy for the 4343's, and soon I will get Guido to build new networks. I guess they are about the same as you and Ian build, and it is much easyer for me to get them from Germany than from US or Australia.

Rolf

[4313B]

it is much easyer for me to get them from Germany than from US or Australia.I sure hope so. :yes:

soon I will get Guido to build new networksGuido knows what's going on. :thmbsup: