Original price of 240Ti?

[MJC]

Does anyone remember what the original price of the 240Ti was? I remember the pair of 250Ti I heard in a CC in '87~'88 was $995/ea.
Also what was the price of the L65 Jubal. In '73, when I bought the L55s @ $276/ea, I seem to remember the original L65s were about $75~$150 more than the L55s.

I'm asking, being I see a pair of each on ebay, and the "buy now" prices look a bit high.

[4313B]

http://www.lansingheritage.org/html/jbl/reference/price-lists/1970-1999-prices.htm

1985 240Ti Ti Series $838 ea
1986 240Ti Ti Series $895 ea
1987 240Ti Ti Series $895 ea
1988 240Ti Ti Series $945 ea
1989 240Ti Ti Series $1,099 ea

1985 250Ti Ti Series $1,698 ea
1986 250Ti Ti Series $1,895 ea
1987 250Ti Ti Series $1,895 ea
1988 250Ti Ti Series $1,995 ea
1989 250Ti Ti Series $2,399 ea
1990 250Ti Ti Series $2,499 ea
1991 250Ti Ti Series $2,499 ea
1992 250TiBQ Ti Series Ltd. Edition $2,499 ea
1993 250TiBQ Ti Series Ltd. Edition $2,499 ea

1974 L65 / L65A / L65B Jubal $396 ea
1975 L65 / L65A / L65B Jubal $426 ea
1976 L65 / L65A / L65B Jubal $462 ea
1977 L65 / L65A / L65B Jubal $681 ea
1978 L65 / L65A / L65B Jubal $625 ea
1979 L65 / L65A / L65B Jubal $625 ea

[MJC]

Thanks Giskard, looks like my memory of the price of the 250s is off by about half.

[4313B]

I'm asking, being I see a pair of each on ebay, and the "buy now" prices look a bit high.True. But some people seem real proud of those things and other people seem real proud to pay whatever price to own them. I'm certainly glad I owned them when they actually mattered and don't have to seek them out now. I remember it was an exciting time though.

[4313B]

Thanks Giskard, looks like my memory of the price of the 250s is off by about half.Yeah, well, that's about what we paid for all that stuff back then, roughly half. Maybe that place had a pair around that they were trying to get rid of.

[Titanium Dome]

Within the past 90 days a very nice pair that I initially bid on went for just over $500. I refrained from bidding higher at the request of someone who wanted them, then he missed the deadline and never bid. Doh! :homer:

Man I was bummed. I would have gone $800 with no regrets.

MJC, to me $1100 is too much, but it depends on how desirous someone is to own them.

[MJC]

Yeah, well, that's about what we paid for all that stuff back then, roughly 50% off MSRP.

I guess, by the time JBLs were sold in CC. But in the '60's~'70's I only saw them sold at full retail, at least here in Nevada. The exception being if you bought the store's floor models, as was the case when I bought the L212 system in '79 for 25% off.
I remember JBLs back then being listed as "fair trade" products or some such wording.

[4313B]

I wasn't aware that CC ever sold 250Ti's. Sounds depressing. I can definitely see some place like CC dumping them at cost. It's hard for me to imagine CC and 250Ti in the same sentence.

[MJC]

MJC, to me $1100 is too much, but it depends on how desirous someone is to own them.

I've been thinking about buying some JBLs for my son's wedding gift. But haven't placed any bids anywhere yet.

[davidtwotrees]

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[MJC]

I wasn't aware that CC ever sold 250Ti's. Sounds depressing. I can definitely see some place like CC dumping them at cost.

Yes, at least in the CC in Reno. Like I said it was either '87 or '88, being we had only moved up here from Vegas in "86. They had them set up between the inner and outter doors. I just stood there for at least 15~20 min listening to them, thinking the whole time, "I'd buy them right now if I already didn't have the L212s" but I knew the wife would have thrown a fit, if I did.
Being we got divorced in '89, I wish I had.
The 250Ti was quite an improvment over the L212. But they(L212) do make a really good 7 channel system, after all these years.

[4313B]

Yeah it was quite an improvement. The main thing that really bothered me about the L250 and 250Ti was the height.

Now I'm thinking I might just rout out the 066 holes in my L212's... :hmm:

But they(L212) do make a really good 7 channel system, after all these years.No doubt. Figure it would cost you a whole lot less to build biased networks for them than it would to "upgrade" to PT800's. The 066's are kind of scary because they are no longer serviceable and they will wear out eventually. I'm not sure of the lifespan of phenolic material but I would think it is longer than aluminum or titanium. G.T. figured the 044Ti's are past their prime after 20 years of service. I recently had all mine redone (and they are now no longer serviceable either). I'm looking at replacing the whole mess with 800 Arrays anyway. I'm finally getting tired and bored with all these "projects" that have gone on constantly for the last 30 years. :p

[MJC]

Yeah it was quite an improvement. The main thing that really bothered me about the L250 and 250Ti was the height.

Yes the tweeter seems a bit too high, but I was standing up the only time I listened to them. I saw yesterday that the listed height of the 240s is only 1 1/2" lower than the L212s, when they are mounted on their bases. Being able to remove the L212 base and using a tilted 3" base allows for it to fit below the 65" screen.


Now I'm thinking I might just rout out the 066 holes in my L212's... :hmm:

And replace the 066 with either the 044 or 035?

[4313B]

I'll probably try the 044Ti and 104H. Just for fun. I'll have to fix the low pass for the 112H. The thought of the 112/2108 with those transducers is pretty interesting... the 2122 is too efficient for them, the LE10H works real nice but it needs more room that the 0.40 cu ft the 112/2108 can live with. 0.75 to 1.0 cu ft sealed for the LE10 sounds real nice. I guess I'll go and dig my L212 enclosures out of the garage and see if it is feasible.

Yeah, the 240Ti is also at a nice height like the L212. I ended up with a 1-1/2" slab beneath my 240Ti's.

[spkrman57]

Yeah it was quite an improvement. The main thing that really bothered me about the L250 and 250Ti was the height.

Now I'm thinking I might just rout out the 066 holes in my L212's... :hmm:
No doubt. Figure it would cost you a whole lot less to build biased networks for them than it would to "upgrade" to PT800's. The 066's are kind of scary because they are no longer serviceable and they will wear out eventually. I'm not sure of the lifespan of phenolic material but I would think it is longer than aluminum or titanium. G.T. figured the 044Ti's are past their prime after 20 years of service. I recently had all mine redone (and they are now no longer serviceable either). I'm looking at replacing the whole mess with 800 Arrays anyway. I'm finally getting tired and bored with all these "projects" that have gone on constantly for the last 30 years. :p

I wonder how long the 035TIA's I am collecting will last? I have a pair of L40T3's and looking to pick up a pair of L60T's and a pair of L20T's as they all have the 035 tweeter variants.

The L40T3's sound pretty decent, biggest lack other than bottom end bass is the midrange clarity and detail. I am still looking for 104H or LE5 variants to use in my almost 240Ti's in a future project.

Ron

[MJC]

After almost 2 years since I got the sub1500s, I'm still being impressed by the seven 112As, two B212, two sub1500 combo.

Last week there was a pair of 035Ti on ebay, I never did bid on them. The guy selling them was just down the road, so to speak, just a few miles down the western slope of the Sierras.

[4313B]

I wonder how long the 035TIA's I am collecting will last? I am still looking for 104H or LE5 variants to use in my almost 240Ti's in a future project.I really don't know how long they will last but I wouldn't worry about it until JBL goes and discontinues the diaphragm kits.
I'm fresh out of spare LE5's and 104's.

Oh wait, I have a pair of LE5-8's that Bo sent me... send him a PM and see if he will sell them to you.

[MJC]

I'm looking at replacing the whole mess with 800 Arrays anyway. I'm finally getting tired and bored with all these "projects" that have gone on constantly for the last 30 years. :p

From what I see on JBL.com that the Array Series is only available thru Synthesis dealers. Where as the Studio L Series is available at Harman Audio online, and Fry's Electronics, here in the west.

Back to the original post, I guess I could buy my son a set of Studio Ls.

[Titanium Dome]

I wonder how long the 035TIA's I am collecting will last? I have a pair of L40T3's and looking to pick up a pair of L60T's and a pair of L20T's as they all have the 035 tweeter variants.

(snip)

Ron

That's why I have such a keen interest in the inexpensive Audax tweeters in the Performance Series. Over in the PS thread I got a collective "who cares?" from everyone when I brought it up, despite the fact that it's a very nice tweeter. Shielded Neodymium magnet, pure Titanium dome, rubber surround, extension to 22kHz, what's not to like?

Over the past few years, JBL tweeter development seems to have shifted. I have several instances of "Made in France" on the back of consumer tweeters in JBL products now. Auadax (a Harman company) is becoming a de facto JBL tweeter supplier.

My main interest in the 240Ti would have been to harvest it for parts for my L250 project, but now it looks like I'll PT1400 (or is it PT250?) it instead. Those 044Ti drivers are aging, and my supply of NOS 035TiAs won't last forever, but the supply of Performance Series tweeters is current and inexpensive and the 904Ti midrange pleases me more that any aging LE5-x or more recent 104H-x driver.

[Titanium Dome]

From what I see on JBL.com that the Array Series is only available thru Synthesis dealers. Where as the Studio L Series is available at Harman Audio online, and Fry's Electronics, here in the west.

Back to the original post, I guess I could buy my son a set of Studio Ls.

I've had my eye on this auction:

http://cgi.ebay.com/JBL-Home-Audio-Studio-L-Series-NEW-Cherry_W0QQitemZ5856330243QQcategoryZ94912QQssPage NameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

I'm not going to bid, but at three days out it's quite the bargain. At this moment it's $300 less than that pair of 240Tis, and it's a whole set.

(I'd want some extra assurance they exist, such as a picture of the collective boxes rather than just stock photos.)

[MJC]

Ya, makes you wonder, here is a new speaker system, only been available for a few months and a complete set up for auction, still in their original boxes?
Maybe a bit hot?

Fry's, who is an authorized dealer, shows the Studio L Series on their web site, but say to call for availability. For the Northridge Series they show same day delivery.

[4313B]

Over in the PS thread I got a collective "who cares?" from everyone when I brought it up, despite the fact that it's a very nice tweeter. Shielded Neodymium magnet, pure Titanium dome, rubber surround, extension to 22kHz, what's not to like?The fact that it isn't manufactured by JBL is the deal breaker for me personally. It is a very nice transducer and it does outperform many of the older JBL high frequency transducers. It is used in a ton of JBL products. There is a reason why I spent three times the price to recondition my 044Ti's though and I figure they are good for another twenty.

the 904Ti midrange pleases me more that any aging LE5-x or more recent 104H-x driver.The 904Ti and 908Ti are very nice transducers, no doubt about it. Both are stamped "Made in the U.S.A". Weird huh? I thought making anything in the U.S.A. except babies was pretty much cliched.

[JBLnsince1959]

I thought making anything in the U.S.A. except babies was pretty much cliched.

I hear there's a plan to outsource that also...First it's our manufactoring jobs, then our factories, cars, computer jobs, tech support, answering questions jobs and now our pussy....when will this stop?

[4313B]

I doubt it will stop in our lifetime. The only solace (?) is the knowledge that it will fail. That's a given. Capitalism demands new markets and cheap labor and unless we can start selling our crap to other planets and enslaving their indiginous populations we're doomed.

I suspect the environmental damage we've done to our planet will do us in first though. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to understand that the planet cannot support advanced technological societies such as ours without a whole lot of advancement in fundamental intelligence to go along with it. We don't have a well enough rounded intellectual capacity. We're actually kind of dumb in a sad sort of way. Our brains need a serious kick start in the evolutionary jump cycle. They just aren't cutting in right now.

Anyway, back to my 240Ti's and a movie. Anyone see "March of the Penguins" yet? http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0428803/

[norealtalent]

I doubt it will stop in our lifetime. The only solace (?) is the knowledge that it will fail. That's a given. Capitalism demands new markets and cheap labor and unless we can start selling our crap to other planets and enslaving their indiginous populations we're doomed.

I suspect the environmental damage we've done to our planet will do us in first though. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to understand that the planet cannot support advanced technological societies such as ours without a whole lot of advancement in fundamental intelligence to go along with it. We don't have a well enough rounded intellectual capacity. We're actually kind of dumb in a sad sort of way. Our brains need a serious kick start in the evolutionary jump cycle. They just aren't cutting in right now.

Anyway, back to my 240Ti's and a movie. Anyone see "March of the Penguins" yet? http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0428803/

:applaud: :applaud: :applaud: Giskard in 2008!!!

Edit: I'm NOT joking!

[Zilch]

Ambassadorships available?

[Price varies with location.... :p ]

[norealtalent]

Any of us would do much better than what is currently "in stock.":bouncy:

[Guido]

Anyone see "March of the Penguins" yet? http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0428803/

I haven't seen it but I WILL! It's a great movie for sure.

[JBLnsince1959]

Anyway, back to my 240Ti's and a movie. Anyone see "March of the Penguins" yet? http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0428803/

yes, and it was a great movie....