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glen
01-11-2006, 11:07 PM
So I've heard a few times that JBL AND Altec records of serial numbers were lost (Altec in a fire, JBL in the Northridge earthquake)

Is there any interest in establishing a serial number registry on the Lansing Heritage site to reconstruct some of that information?
Maybe enough info could be accumulated to nail down some "landmark" dates that wouold be userful to members.

Hofmannhp
01-12-2006, 02:57 AM
So I've heard a few times that JBL AND Altec records of serial numbers were lost (Altec in a fire, JBL in the Northridge earthquake)

Is there any interest in establishing a serial number registry on the Lansing Heritage site to reconstruct some of that information?
Maybe enough info could be accumulated to nail down some "landmark" dates that wouold be userful to members.

Hi ,

pls have a look to my thread from Febr. 2004
http://audioheritage.org/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=15096&postcount=1

HP

mbottz
01-12-2006, 04:49 AM
Might be interesting just to see how many units are still in tact and can be accounted for and what part of the country they are in now.

It would be best if the database was accessable by all so that one person did not have to be responsible to input the data. Not even sure if this is possible.

MB

Zilch
01-12-2006, 09:59 AM
For the database to be definitive, the date of manufacture would have to be known, which is what nobody knows.

The general "Vintage" for most products may be determined from the catalogs in the site library.

kingjames
01-12-2006, 11:00 AM
There are numerous items on ebay for sale, catalogs,brochure's etc; and etc;.
maybe we can have a separate donation to a chosen member to buy all this stuff on ebay,I'm sure there's alot of stuff out there we don't have? Eventually this stuff would have to be inserted into a spreadsheet somehow. There is never to much information too have. Let me know when you want my serial numbers.

glen
01-12-2006, 11:04 AM
Hi ,

pls have a look to my thread from Febr. 2004
http://audioheritage.org/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=15096&postcount=1

HP

Thanks Hoffmann,

I didn't find your thread when I searched for "serial numbers".
But it's obvious that the response here has been positively lukewarm!

Well, I proceed undeterred.
If someone thinks it's pointless they don't need to participate,
but enough numbers could eventually generate some useful information.

If you're ever at a point where you have the serial numbers for your vintage system at hand please post them here.

Since we are trying to establish a correlation between serial numbers/model numbers/years of manufacture I would propose only two types of posting:

1. Speaker systems or parts that are accompanied by a dated receipt from the original dealer, or some other factory/dealer date (quality check slip, inspected by...). These would be as close as we'd get to a Gold Standard, of course they'll be exceptionally rare.

2. Speaker systems that include all their original parts, which would have been produced at the same time. Enough of these would eventually build up a picture of the progression of serial numbers/model numbers as products were introduced and discontinued over the years. Combining this info with known dates of short-lived models would give us some rough landmarks in the time line.

Other Suggestions:
Pictures add some info (material, shape and postion of the model number/serial number lable can be deciphered by some experts), but please don't make them too big.

Even if you include a picture in the post please write out the information in text. This will allow the posts to be searchable for the info.

As a search aid I would suggest a format like:
(model) "serial number" (the actual number)
examples:
olympus serial number 55555555 from 1963
LE85 serial number 5555555

So one could search specifically for "olympus serial number" making the high-lighted "hits" easier to spot in the thread.

I'll post a couple of my original (I believe) systems to the thread next week

JohnK
01-12-2006, 11:14 AM
I would love to get a key for deciphering the old serial # scheme used back in the 50's.

Rolf
01-12-2006, 11:15 AM
A database containing as much info as possible would also help if something was stolen.

I speak from experience!

Rolf

Hofmannhp
01-13-2006, 07:40 AM
A database containing as much info as possible would also help if something was stolen.

I speak from experience!

Rolf

Hi All,

I made the first step.....and sent Kingjames the list
when he's ready he can send it to the next member (but only one) to get a chain.

HP

PS: Gentlemen....start with pulling your drivers :D

Hofmannhp
01-13-2006, 05:36 PM
what's about this...

List with all usefull information about speakers history.....and perhaps also a tool against ebay fraudsters.

HP

PS: If you want, send me your input

glen
01-17-2006, 11:25 PM
Here are the serial numbers on my (un-numbered) C50-2 olympus cabinet with the wooden grille and the S6 system.
This is my own system, currently in storage.

Olympus cabinet C50 serial number missing
LE15 serial number 1057 (blue, roundback)
LE75 serial number 3736 (blue)
horn serial number missing (blue)
LX5 serial number 4082

jbl_man_uk
01-18-2006, 01:33 AM
Re.Serial numbers...does anyone at the factory or on here know if they were actually in numeric order...ie,if i have an 075 serial number 12456,does it litterally mean it was the 12456th unit to be produced? ....and if so,presumably someone somewhere has serial number 1 for every model?

Hofmannhp
01-18-2006, 02:19 AM
Re.Serial numbers...does anyone at the factory or on here know if they were actually in numeric order...ie,if i have an 075 serial number 12456,does it litterally mean it was the 12456th unit to be produced? ....and if so,presumably someone somewhere has serial number 1 for every model?

Hi JBL man UK,

that's what we hope to find out with gathering all available numbers from our members.

HP

glen
01-18-2006, 11:58 PM
what's about this...
HP

PS: If you want, send me your input

I would like to see columns for the system components and their serial numbers as well.

Sounds like we need an editable/expandable table on the site.

Can we get a page, or a post that stays permanently editable?

In the meantime I would urge anyone to post here original speaker system or component serial numbers which they have been able to conclusively date,
or original systems containing multiple components/serial numbers that were made at the same time.

I did this for one of my systems:

http://audioheritage.org/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=87072&postcount=11

pictures of the lables are a help if you have them.

Hofmannhp
01-19-2006, 04:24 AM
I would like to see columns for the system components and their serial numbers as well.

Sounds like we need an editable/expandable table on the site.

Can we get a page, or a post that stays permanently editable?

In the meantime I would urge anyone to post here original speaker system or component serial numbers which they have been able to conclusively date,
or original systems containing multiple components/serial numbers that were made at the same time.

I did this for one of my systems:

http://audioheritage.org/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=87072&postcount=11

pictures of the lables are a help if you have them.


Hi Glen,

thanks for your reply....
I think we shall talk about with Don for a special page for this.

the numbers of your last post with the pics are intergrated in the meantime.
Will send it to you this evening for feedback.

Picture of labels....will be a lot work to include, but can be helpfull to know more about the drivers.

Yes... urge anyone to post here original speaker system or component serial numbers here. I take them for the list.

HP

saeman
01-22-2006, 11:22 AM
Hi Glen: Sorry for taking so long to reply to your request for my data. I don't have as much serial data as you might hope for. The only data I have accumulated is on the Sovereign and Olympus, and it's not that much. Over the years I have owned many Sovereign I/Sovereign II and Olympus/Apollo pairs and I have kept serial data on the systems and all of their components, and have included some data on other systems that I did not own. On these models there is definately a correlation between the cabinet serial numbers and the internal components and conclusions on date of manufacture/sale can be made. You are welcome to any data that I have. I can get it to you on an Excel Spreadsheet. Just let me know. Rick

Hofmannhp
01-25-2006, 03:08 PM
Hi All,

after a short time we gathered together 227 drivers/speaker (most) with their history in a list.
Thanks for Contribution till now to:

Glen, rpstephen, henflet, thevott, Rolf, eMtnMan, riessen, kingjames, Tom, 57Belaire, MatsNilson, JBL_Man_UK,Paragon

JBL_dog , John Nebel, Steve Schell.......in progress

With the growing list we know more about the speakers.....don't hesitate to ask for the list.

HP

intotubes
01-30-2006, 04:19 PM
Altec Lansing 838A Carmel
two numbers listed for each speaker
581 & 391305
578 & 391304

414Z driver serial# 391244
both woofers (in one enclosure) have the same serial number

I have not opened the other enclosure yet - I will edit this post this weekend.
http://www.audioheritage.org/photopost/showphoto.php?photo=257&sort=2&cat=519&page=1

Steve Schell
02-01-2006, 12:08 PM
So many products produced by Altec have a number beginning with 391. As I understand it they were complying with the E.I.A. coding system for electronic industry manufacturers. The 391 identifies Altec as the manufacturer, and the 244 indicated that the product was made in the 24th week of a year ending in 4, likely 1964 for a 414Z.

The little bit I know about this comes from a useful page on the Weber VST site:

http://www.webervst.com/codes.html

Funny about the Carmel numbers though; you wouldn't think that they were made a year apart!

glen
02-05-2006, 06:43 PM
Here are the serial numbers on my C34 cabinet.
(un-numbered, unlabeled, and maybe home built)
This is my own system, currently in storage.

C34 style cabinet, well constructed but no JBL label
D130 serial number 13631
175DLH serial number 3672
N1200 serial number 1555

Harvey Gerst
02-05-2006, 08:02 PM
Glen, the cabinet (or at least the back) is home-brew. Not JBL standard wiring or cutout.

glen
02-06-2006, 11:05 AM
Glen, the cabinet (or at least the back) is home-brew. Not JBL standard wiring or cutout.

Hi Harvey,

Thanks for clearing that up. I thought it might be a JBL cabinet because I've heard that JBL employees were allowed to buy discounted units for their own use that were not always "branded" with the JBL logo. I have seen unlabeled JBL drive units (an LE8T in my L54 ad an LE15 with petrified Lansalloy) and was wondering if that story was true.

I'm not too disappointed that my cab is not JBL because it is very well built and finished, the folded horn mouth is even coated with a sort of black fiberglass like material that I thought might have been beyond a home-builders skills in the 1950s.

There are more pics of the cab and it's construction in the photo gallery:

http://www.audioheritage.org/photopost/showgallery.php?cat=500&ppuser=182

Harvey Gerst
02-06-2006, 05:06 PM
Unless it was a prototype, we (JBL employees) simply went to the stock room and picked up boxed, finished units. If it went out the door without a serial number, it was either on an invoice, or somebody had sticky fingers. Sticky fingers was not a common occurance in the Golden era of JBL; we really were a big family.

I often ate at Bill Thomas' house, sailed with Johnny Edwards over to Catalina, spent time with Ed and Edna May at their house, and shared a duplex with George Augspurger. I lived next door to Margaret Jackson for years before she became Margaret Thomas. We really were a family.

SUPERBEE
02-11-2006, 07:13 AM
I think this is a great idea. Is it still happening? Am I to just submit the serial numbers from my cabinets and drivers along with my name?


:drive:

glen
02-11-2006, 06:19 PM
Hi Superbee,

I think it would be great if you post your serial numbers to the thread. Your name will be on the post. I am more interested in systems (groups of components made at the same time) and/or serial numbered items with dated receipts or some other solid way of determining their "birthday". Establishing the relationship of multiple serial numbered components could help create a sort of "Rosetta stone" establishing the timeline of large groups of components from a handful of dates.

Also Hofmannhp has been compiling a really great, more comprehensive, spreadsheet that will likely end up posted on the forum sometime in the future. Please send him a PM to add your info.

glen
02-14-2006, 01:24 AM
currently up for auction on ebay:
http://cgi.ebay.com/Vintage-JBL-Signature-Speaker-15-in_W0QQitemZ5866678842QQcategoryZ50597QQrdZ1QQcmdZ ViewItem

description from auction:
This is a wonderful speaker with a beautiful cabinet and all components are original and excellent conditon, includes a cabinet; made with plywood and is in excellent condition with small scratches. Dimensions of the cabinet are: H-39 X W-23 X L-22. This includes: oneJBL LE driver with 1217-1290 horn and lens combination ;excellent,o riginal with intact red seals. ONEJBL model 130- A signature 15 in. woofer 16 OHM in all original. Serial #:12961 with a crossover network model # N-1200.Serial #1769.

I think the cabinet may be home-built.
But looks like a complete/correct 001 system:
130A serial number 12961
175 serial number 4076
1217-1290 horn lens serial number 1925
N1200 serial number 1769

SUPERBEE
02-14-2006, 09:32 AM
Hi Superbee,

I think it would be great if you post your serial numbers to the thread. Your name will be on the post. I am more interested in systems (groups of components made at the same time) and/or serial numbered items with dated receipts or some other solid way of determining their "birthday". Establishing the relationship of multiple serial numbered components could help create a sort of "Rosetta stone" establishing the timeline of large groups of components from a handful of dates.

Also Hofmannhp has been compiling a really great, more comprehensive, spreadsheet that will likely end up posted on the forum sometime in the future. Please send him a PM to add your info.

OK...

I just sent Hof the list back, GREAT idea BTW :applaud:
Here is what I added:

Paragon #110
Olympus #46046 #46047
Dorian #50122 # 50135

I know my Paragon is an early one but I would love to find out how early my Olympus are. Anyone?

glen
02-25-2006, 01:55 AM
currently up for auction on ebay:

http://cgi.ebay.com/JBL-C34-Speaker-030-System-D130-075-N2600-NR_W0QQitemZ5871578330QQcategoryZ50597QQssPageName ZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

description from auction:
JBL C34 Signature Rear Loaded Corner Speaker
The C34 contains a 6' exponential folded horn that delivers an extra octave of clean,crisp bass.Corner placement is not required.From 150 cps on down,energy from the back of the 15" speaker radiates through the horn.Above 150 cps the speaker acts as a direct radiator.Equipped with D130 15" speaker,075 ring radiator and N2600 crossover network.Measures 40 x 23.75 x 22.5.Serial #26536,10264,2085.Dark mahogany finish.Comes with original owners manual,customer catalog and bill of lading where it was shipped to original owner from JBL 12/5/1957.I have fully tested the cabinet and it work perfectly with no issues.The cosmetic condition is remarkable..wow.I did find three small scratches (see photo detail) but you have to look for them.Auction is for single speaker cabinet.

Factory C34 cabinet with 030 system installed (D34030M):
D130 serial number 26536
075serial number 10264
N2600 serial number 2085

glen
02-25-2006, 02:29 AM
Olympus #46046 #46047

I would love to find out how early my Olympus are. Anyone?

An ebay seller parting out Olympus with serial numbers 47923 and 47924 claimed that they were from 1966. The LX5 crossovers offered were serial numbers 12798 and 12804

Yours would presumably be a bit older than his.

What are the serial numbers on your crossovers?

Hofmannhp
02-25-2006, 03:45 AM
An ebay seller parting out Olympus with serial numbers 47923 and 47924 claimed that they were from 1966. The LX5 crossovers offered were serial numbers 12798 and 12804

Yours would presumably be a bit older than his.

What are the serial numbers on your crossovers?

Hi,

great kind of list additions with ebay.....thanks
the list shows now 275 items.

Some numbers and the claimed year of fabrication or purchasing, has to be cleared, cause the I have a lower number for the later year ???

don't stop..:)

HP

PS: We need more numbers for detailed sight.
If some members (or non members) want the list, lemme know

hjames
02-26-2006, 02:15 PM
Here is the info on the two monitors I bought in Philly Feb 2006. The seller said he'd had them 13 years and bought them from his brother's friend - from NJ.
They are 2-way systems - but I am adding 2405 drivers to extended the frequency response and improve the sound.
There were no grills and nothing that said "Model 3420" but I gather thats what they are. The cabinets are plywood with walnut veneer. I didn't get the serial number of the horns (Model 2307), just the driver info.

======= box 1 ============

4502 Enclosure s/n 11275
3110 Crossover s/n 1478
2215 15" woofer s/n 2180
2420 MF driver s/n 1731
2405 HF driver s/n 62198 (new to unit)

======= box 2 ============

4502 Enclosure s/n 11165
3110 Crossover s/n 1326
2215 15" woofer s/n 1566
2420 MF driver s/n 2193
2405 HF driver s/n 61269 (new to unit)
========================


There are also a pair of plastic lenses that came with them,
2308 Lens s/n 10085
2308 Lens s/n 10582
They weren't mounted when I got them and I'm not sure if they're original

Once I get the slot tweeters installed and update the crossovers,
I hope to put them on top of the shelves where the L36s are now.
========================

I hope this helps the list .
Thanks for all the info you provide US!!
I would NEVER have dreamed of or even started such a project without all the legacy info on this site!

Heather

glen
02-26-2006, 05:54 PM
Thanks Heather, Nice info, really nice setup!

Hofmannhp
02-27-2006, 12:40 PM
Here is the info on the two monitors I bought in Philly Feb 2006. The seller said he'd had them 13 years and bought them from his brother's friend - from NJ.
They are 2-way systems - but I am adding 2405 drivers to extended the frequency response and improve the sound.
There were no grills and nothing that said "Model 3420" but I gather thats what they are. The cabinets are plywood with walnut veneer. I didn't get the serial number of the horns (Model 2307), just the driver info.
.....There are also a pair of plastic lenses that came with them,
2308 Lens s/n 10085
2308 Lens s/n 10582
They weren't mounted when I got them and I'm not sure if they're original
.....
Heather

Hi Heather,

thanks for your data....the list grows ...

seems that the model is the 4325......the 4320 uses a crossover with 800hz, the 4325 uses 1khz. It maybe from the years 1970 to 1973......and YES, the lens 2308 (in this times named HL91) need to be mounted.
A wonderful speaker btw.

regards
HP

Harkness
02-27-2006, 12:52 PM
i'd love to know when my system was assembled. unfortunately i have no real knowledge of it's provenance other than i believe i acquired it in it's unusual original condition/configuration.

i have the serials from my 375's (see avatar for one of them) but would have to open the cabinets again to check the 150-4C numbers.

i suspect my system was built circa 1960.

Harkness
02-27-2006, 12:59 PM
currently up for auction on ebay:

http://cgi.ebay.com/JBL-C34-Speaker-030-System-D130-075-N2600-NR_W0QQitemZ5871578330QQcategoryZ50597QQssPageName ZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Factory C34 cabinet with 030 system installed (D34030M):
D130 serial number 26536
075serial number 10264
N2600 serial number 2085
my Harkness boxes have the same JBL Signature badges and grill cloth. i only wish the finish on mine was preserved as well.

Hofmannhp
02-27-2006, 01:23 PM
i'd love to know when my system was assembled. unfortunately i have no real knowledge of it's provenance other than i believe i acquired it in it's unusual original condition/configuration.

i have the serials from my 375's (see avatar for one of them) but would have to open the cabinets again to check the 150-4C numbers.

i suspect my system was built circa 1960.

Hi Harkness,

try to find out all driver numbers....then we will see.
The list has now 302 entries with different speakers, maybe we can find a numbers run.

HP

Harkness
02-27-2006, 04:16 PM
Hi Harkness,

try to find out all driver numbers....then we will see.
The list has now 302 entries with different speakers, maybe we can find a numbers run.

HP
here are some numbers from my Harkness system (as obtained).

375 no.1 - 2885
375 no.2 - 2053
150-4C - 22725 - pretty certain from a pic i took (hard to read though)
150-4C - ????? unable to obtain at this time.
N400 no.1 - 1376
N400 no.2 - 1457

the system came with H5041 90 degree horns as the 375's were mounted in the mouth of the bass horn. no serials on those horns though.

pocketchange
02-27-2006, 07:47 PM
Metregon C45 Serial #457 (Dark Walnut?) (I am the 3rd owner)
Series 205 (that looks like it's new)
130A's (never been removed so no numbers)
275 (serial #539 one side (only) has been opened)
N600s (1422 & 1425) these have been bypassed with
N-800-Ds (which have no serial numbers, if so... I'm needing info on where the #'s are located)
Made in 1960 (just a guess but garnered from available paperwork from this forum. Thank You ;)

Gary

glen
03-12-2006, 01:27 AM
currently up for auction on ebay:
http://cgi.ebay.com/JBL-4310-Speaker-Drivers-2212-2105-LE20-1-NR-PAIR_W0QQitemZ5878403196QQcategoryZ94912QQrdZ1QQcm dZViewItem

from auction description:

2 x LE20-1 Tweeters serial numbers: 171327, 171328
2 x 2105 Midranges serial numbers: 23560, 23561
2 x 2212 Woofers serial numbers: 26646, 26647

glen
03-12-2006, 01:32 AM
currently up for auction on ebay:
http://cgi.ebay.com/JBL-4310-Speaker-Drivers-2212-2105-LE20-1-NR_W0QQitemZ5878408510QQcategoryZ94912QQrdZ1QQcmdZ ViewItem

from auction description:

1 x LE20-1 Tweeters serial numbers: 199011
1 x 2105 Midranges serial numbers: 8901 1 x 2212 Woofers serial numbers: 26641

glen
03-12-2006, 11:25 AM
three different auctions of parts claimed to be from a single L200 system:
http://cgi.ebay.com/JBL-LE15B-vintage-driver-woofer-from-L200_W0QQitemZ7397399188QQcategoryZ47092QQrdZ1QQcm dZViewItem

from auction description:
ONE JBL LE15B WOOFER in perfect working condition

serial no. 18605 6-8 ohms
from L200 studio monitor cabinet with water damage.
DENT IN DUST CAP NOT AFFECTING PERFORMANCE
LE85 driver and crossover listed in seperate auctions.
MATCH of PAIR LE85, H91 horn,crossover, LE15B woofer will also be listed in seperate auctions within a couple of days.

http://cgi.ebay.com/JBL-LE85-driver-w-H91-horn-vintage-JBL-from-L200_W0QQitemZ7397325402QQcategoryZ47092QQrdZ1QQcm dZViewItem

from auction description:
ONE JBL LE85 driver with ONE H91 horn in perfect working order 100% original, untouched seals.
serial no. 23698 8 ohms
from L200 cabinet with water damage.
crossover, lens, woofer listed in seperate auctions.
MATCH of PAIR LE85, H91 horn,crossover, LE15B woofer will also be listed in seperate auctions


http://cgi.ebay.com/JBL-L200-LX16-driver-dividing-network-for-LE-85_W0QQitemZ7397329169QQcategoryZ47092QQrdZ1QQcmdZ ViewItem

from auction description:
ONE LX16 JBL dividing network with ONE L91 lens in perfect working order 100% original
serial no. 19518
from L200 cabinet with water damage.
LE85 driver and LE15B woofer listed in seperate auctions.
MATCH of PAIR LE85, H91 horn,crossover, LE15B woofer will also be listed in seperate auctions.

LE15B serial no. 18605
LE85 serial no. 23698
LX16 serial no. 19518


pics do not show serial numbers clearly

glen
03-13-2006, 10:41 PM
Numbers from Paragon up for auction as discussed in this thread:
http://audioheritage.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=9807

And verified by searchen:


I just finished checking the serial numbers on every component, and they all match the numbers, glen has posted,

LE15A 8139 8094
375 5770 5769
LX5 10635 10745
075 47666 47657
N7000 4155 4179

Thank you Glen for your help,
some pictures were included in the original post:

http://audioheritage.org/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=100931&postcount=23

Hofmannhp
03-13-2006, 11:34 PM
Hi Glen,

like me you are lurkin and fishing ebay for numbers....
this works very well and shows also some fraudly intensions of some scammers. See my thread in General.....

With more entries we know more about the systems and numbers.
So we can see that the Olympus start with 5 digits and 4xxxxx.....
well knowing that there were built about 2500.

Thanks

HP

PS: I activated the automatic search function for " JBL serial numbers" and a lot of systems came up.

SUPERBEE
03-14-2006, 12:59 AM
Hey Hof....


Here are the numbers from my Paragon

There is a serial number 240
The Xovers are both N400
Serial number 1291 & 1288
Inside the Xover's
Model N700P (Both)
Serial # 4413 & 4414
The 150's are 11489 & 11490
The O75's 18454 & 18462

There is a very old sticker on the back that has the number 274 but it may be a vintage shipping tag


Any info would be great. Hope this helps.

Hofmannhp
03-14-2006, 06:50 AM
...Here are the numbers from my Paragon...

Any info would be great. Hope this helps.

Hi Kurtis,

thanks ..great.... we'll get it round.

Whats with the 375 drivers ?

regards

HP

SUPERBEE
03-14-2006, 11:19 AM
Hi Kurtis,

thanks ..great.... we'll get it round.

Whats with the 375 drivers ?

regards

HP

I dont know why I didnt get those. Next time I have to move it I will.

jbl4ever
03-16-2006, 12:40 PM
Hello here are some serial numbers on mine. Will have to move the 4333A's
as numbers must be on back none on foilcal.
4350's #11121A & 11122A
Ti250's #00119 & 000118
L300's #12739 & 12972

glen
03-16-2006, 11:10 PM
In reference to the paragon up for auction discussed in this thread

http://audioheritage.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=9807

Harvey Gerst responded to some concern that only one pair of the paragon components had consecutive serial numbers:


When we were putting those beasts together, we didn't use "consecutive serial number" parts; you grabbed a couple of LE-15's, 375's, 075's, some crossovers, and you put the stuff in the cabinet. When I'd test them, I'd listen for consistancy between the two sides. If some of the pieces had "consecutive serial numbers", it was by chance - not by design.

Thanks Harvey

Steve Gonzales
03-17-2006, 12:32 AM
I can say from experience that lugging around a pair of 375's is no easy feat, so it makes sense that the transporting of them from place to place in the factory would almost ensure that they were two at a time, one after another in series, unlike the other parts. Just a thought. S.G.

glen
03-21-2006, 11:48 PM
Currently offered in ebay auction:

http://cgi.ebay.com/JBL-N1200-CROSSOVER-FROM-50S-NEW-OLD-STOCK_W0QQitemZ9701069490QQcategoryZ50597QQrdZ1QQc mdZViewItem


http://i5.ebayimg.com/03/i/06/9f/a0/be_12.JPG (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=9701069490&indexURL=0&photoDisplayType=2#ebayphotohosting)

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Hofmannhp
03-22-2006, 01:54 AM
Hi Glen,

thanks.....got it, I look like a hawk for Numbers in ebay and found a lot.
Now the list has 730 items. I will send it to you for info this evening.

We can mention about, when all our members will include their stuff.....
I don't know why they hesitate.....

Nearly every day I add 5 to 10 numbers.....will be nearly 3000 item per year. We need some years to get the whole fabrication...:D

Some members sent me a PM askin for the list. I sent them the list, but they need time to look for the numbers.

INFO for all: the list shows no real names, no $$, no adresses, no email adress......only the forum name, or ebay name, state and item with available data of purchasing or selling.

HP

glen
03-27-2006, 10:27 PM
Currently offered in ebay auction:

http://cgi.ebay.com/vintage-12-JBL-james-b-lansing-passive-radiator-NOS_W0QQitemZ9703842451QQcategoryZ3276QQrdZ1QQcmdZ ViewItem (http://cgi.ebay.com/vintage-12-JBL-james-b-lansing-passive-radiator-NOS_W0QQitemZ9703842451QQcategoryZ3276QQrdZ1QQcmdZ ViewItem)

From the auction description:
Up for auction today is a 12" JBL (James B. Lansing) passive radiator model 2295 Professional Series with an aluminum chasis, serial #10016. Although It is from June 8,1972; it is brand new and never used. This beutiful peice of vintage audio is from my personal collection that I am slowly and so painfully parting with. This wonderful piece is still in it's original packing with the original add-on weights and the original hardware still taped (by the manufacturer) to the styrofoam. This radiator was obtained by Delta sound in Worcester, MA. and it was packed by 78-3 at James B. Lansing Sound Inc. on June 8, 1972 as you can see in one of the photos.

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glen
03-27-2006, 11:10 PM
currently up for auction on ebay:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=9704420114&indexURL=5&photoDisplayType=2#ebayphotohosting

from auction description:
2 x C50 Cabinets serial numbers: 46040, 46041
2 x LE15A Woofers serial numbers: 4381, 4382
2 x LE85 Midranges serial numbers: 2968, 2975
2 x LX5 Crossovers serial numbers: 7312, 7313

glen
03-28-2006, 12:28 AM
130A serial no. 11142
175 serial no. 2307 (?) (not stated in auction, picture not clear)
1217-1290 serial no. 505
N1200 serial no. 422


three different auctions of components claimed to be from a single C37 system (cabinet to be listed later):

http://cgi.ebay.com/1-JBL-130A-15-Signature-Woofer-16-OHM-BEAUTIFUL_W0QQitemZ9704328698QQcategoryZ50597QQssP ageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem (http://cgi.ebay.com/1-JBL-130A-15-Signature-Woofer-16-OHM-BEAUTIFUL_W0QQitemZ9704328698QQcategoryZ50597QQssP ageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)

from auction description:
Here up for auction is 1 really old Original jim lansing ( jbl ) signature 130A 15" woofer driver fully tested. Model # 130A. Serial # 11142. Woofer is in Original Beautiful Condition. Please see my other auctions for the matching drivers 175 DLH and the N1200 crossover. Also have the original speaker enclosure model C37 which is also in Beautiful Condition which will be up for auction as well. If you have any questions about this item please email me.

http://cgi.ebay.com/1-JBL-175-DLH-with-HORN-16-OHMS-BEAUTIFUL_W0QQitemZ9704316423QQcategoryZ50597QQssP ageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

from auction description:
Here up for auction is 1 really old jim lansing ( jbl ) signature 175 dlh driver-horn-lense fully tested. Model # 1217-1290. Serial # 505. Driver is in Beautiful Condition. Please see my other auctions for the matching drivers 130A 15" woofer and the N1200 crossover. Also have the original speaker enclosure model C37 which is also in Beautiful Condition which will be up for auction as well. If you have any questions about this item please email me.

http://cgi.ebay.com/1-JBL-N1200-Signature-Crossover-16-OHM-BEAUTIFUL_W0QQitemZ9704330822QQcategoryZ50597QQssP ageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

from auction description:
Here up for auction is 1 really old Original jim lansing ( jbl ) signature N1200 dividing network 16 ohm fully tested. Model # N1200. Serial # 422. Crossover is in Original Beautiful Condition. Please see my other auctions for the matching drivers 175 DLH and the 130A 15" woofer. Also have the original speaker enclosure model C37 which is also in Beautiful Condition which will be up for auction as well. If you have any questions about this item please email me.

glen
03-28-2006, 11:56 PM
currently up for auction on ebay:
http://cgi.ebay.com/RARE-50S-SCOTT-TUBE-AMP-RADIO-LANSING-SPEAKER-CAB-D001_W0QQitemZ9705265892QQcategoryZ3284QQrdZ1QQcmd ZViewItem


001 system in custom cabinet

130A Woofer serial number: 12089
175 Driver serial number: 4237
1217-1290 Horn serial number 2070
N1200 Crossover serial number: 1474

glen
04-05-2006, 12:14 AM
Two JBL factory C34 cabinets with th early "cut corner" decals
****** NOTE ******
I made a mistake here, assuming that these were both JBL made cabinets because there were two pictures of the "Jim Lansing" decal on the front of the cabinet included in the ebay auction. Actually they were two different pictures of the same decal. Harvey Gerst was kind enough to enlighten me on the many details that differentiate between the JBL constructed cabinet on the right, and the apparently home-built copy on the left. Please have a look at Harvey's posts listing the details later in this thread.

I wish to be quite clear that the seller did not state that either of these cabinets were built in the JBL factory.
They were referred to as "JBL C34 Signature Rear Loaded Corner Speaker Pair" and "early set of "Jim Lansing" type speakers".
Even if one of the pair was not built in the factory it is still a very good execution of the Jim Lansing C34 cabinet design and most likely lives up to the seller's description.

*****************************

currently up for auction on ebay:

http://cgi.ebay.com/VINTAGE-JBL-C34-HIFI-Speaker-PAIR-130-A-175-N1200_W0QQitemZ9708450988QQcategoryZ50597QQrdZ1QQc mdZViewItem


001 systems in two JBL C34 cabinets

from the redder cabinet
130A Woofer serial number: 405169
1217-1290 Horn serial number 404153
N-1200 Crossover serial number: 404170


from the blonder cabinet
175-34 Driver serial number: 40374

Hofmannhp
04-05-2006, 12:44 AM
Two JBL factory C34 cabinets with th early "cut corner" decals
currently up for auction on ebay:
......

Thanks Glen,

that's the stuff we need.
I look like a hawk, but had not seen this parts in ebay.
Hope that sometimes we can have additional contact to JBLers like Harvey Gerst of early times which can bring light in the dark with the numbering system.....which is very confusing.

BTW: for your info, I will again send you the spreadsheet, that is near 1000 entries limit.

regards

HP

glen
04-05-2006, 01:42 AM
D-130-A 32 ohm serial no. 1049
D-130-A 32 ohm serial no. ????
D-175 serial no. 499
H1000 horn
N-1000 serial no. 499
***note the matching 175 and N-1000 numbers
D-1004 cabinet serial number 1142

four different auctions of components from a single D-1004:

http://cgi.ebay.com/Vintage-JBL-D130-A-Signature-Series-Lansing-Speakers_W0QQitemZ9707924917QQcategoryZ50597QQssPa geNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem


from auction description:
You are bidding on the 2 D130 A 15" woofers circa 1948 removed from the D-1004 cabinet pictured they are both in great working condition no holes or tears on cones. they both have matching numbers stamped on the cones. the last pictures shows the specs of them directly from jbl

http://cgi.ebay.com/Vintage-JBL-D-175-Signature-Series-Lansing-Horn-Driver_W0QQitemZ9707927994QQcategoryZ50597QQssPage NameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

from auction description:

You are bidding on the D-175 Multi Cell Horn & Driver circa 1948 removed from the D-1004 cabinet pictured. It is in good working condition the last picture shows the specs of it directly from jbl
Driver (Only) Diameter 4 1/2" & 3 1/2" Tall
Horn is 12"x 7"

http://cgi.ebay.com/Vintage-JBL-N-1000-Signature-Series-Lansing-Crossover_W0QQitemZ9707930923QQcategoryZ50597QQssP ageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

from auction description:
You are bidding on the N-1000 Crossover Network circa 1948 removed from the D-1004 cabinet pictured. It is in good working condition the last picture shows the specs directly from JBL

http://cgi.ebay.com/Vintage-JBL-Jim-Lansing-D-1004-Empty-Speaker-Cabinet_W0QQitemZ9708787283QQcategoryZ50597QQrdZ1Q QcmdZViewItem

from auction description:
Vintage JBL D-1004 EMPTY Cabinet circa. 1948 its not in great shape its about a 7/10 it has some tape residue in front and it has several chips and scratches. the last 2 pictures show the speakers still in it but they are not included check out my other auctions for them.

glen
04-05-2006, 01:49 AM
Thanks Glen,

that's the stuff we need.
I look like a hawk, but had not seen this parts in ebay.
Hope that sometimes we can have additional contact to JBLers like Harvey Gearst of early times which can bring light in the dark with the numbering system.....which is very confusing.

BTW: for your info, I will again send you the spreadsheet, that is near 1000 entries limit.

regards

HP

Thanks for the encouragement HP.

I have more than 1000 serial numbers of miscellaneous components gathered from the internet. But without dates, or established relationships to other components they don't do much more than establish a bit of a range and tell a little bit about when the labels switched from one type to another.

Glen

Hofmannhp
04-05-2006, 02:24 AM
Thanks for the encouragement HP.

I have more than 1000 serial numbers of miscellaneous components gathered from the internet. But without dates, or established relationships to other components they don't do much more than establish a bit of a range and tell a little bit about when the labels switched from one type to another.

Glen

Hi Glen,

do you think we can use them also without knowing the details?
if yes....can I get them....:)

HP

Harvey Gerst
04-05-2006, 10:07 AM
currently up for auction on ebay:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=9704420114&indexURL=5&photoDisplayType=2#ebayphotohosting

from auction description:
2 x C50 Cabinets serial numbers: 46040, 46041
2 x LE15A Woofers serial numbers: 4381, 4382
2 x LE85 Midranges serial numbers: 2968, 2975
2 x LX5 Crossovers serial numbers: 7312, 7313
For what it's worth, I recognize my left-handed writing of the serial numbers on those, so it's either one I put together, or systems I tested.

Harvey Gerst
04-05-2006, 10:14 AM
I can say from experience that lugging around a pair of 375's is no easy feat, so it makes sense that the transporting of them from place to place in the factory would almost ensure that they were two at a time, one after another in series, unlike the other parts. Just a thought. S.G.
We used a roll-around cart to move stuff from the stock room to the system assembly area near the shipping doors. If the parts were put up on the stock room shelves in consecutive order, there was probably a 50-50 chance we'd grab consecutive numbers. It was never a priority to use consecutively numbered components. With a few exceptions, we didn't know what two cabinets (out of a run of cabinets) would be sold together as a stereo system.

Harvey Gerst
04-05-2006, 10:16 AM
Two JBL factory C34 cabinets with th early "cut corner" decals
currently up for auction on ebay:

http://cgi.ebay.com/VINTAGE-JBL-C34-HIFI-Speaker-PAIR-130-A-175-N1200_W0QQitemZ9708450988QQcategoryZ50597QQrdZ1QQc mdZViewItem


001 systems in two JBL C34 cabinets

from the redder cabinet
130A Woofer serial number: 405169
1217-1290 Horn serial number 404153
N-1200 Crossover serial number: 404170


from the blonder cabinet
175-34 Driver serial number: 40374
The C34 on the right is factory. The C34 on the left looks like a home-made cabinet.

glen
04-05-2006, 10:58 AM
The C34 on the right is factory. The C34 on the left looks like a home-made cabinet.

Hi Harvey,

Thanks a lot for for your responses here, and catching this mistake in particular.

I called both cabinets factory because the auction included two pictures of the "JIM LANSING" decal on the front of the cabinet(s). Looking more closely I can see that there is two pictures of the same decal. One appearing "redder" than the other, I assumed they were two different decals. The left speaker's grille cloth didn't look right, but I thought it might have been replaced. But the wood grain around the decal is the same in both pictures, and the picture with the "less red" coloring shows the grill cloth of the right hand speaker, same decal in both.

I've asked the seller if both cabinets have decals.

Harvey Gerst
04-05-2006, 11:45 AM
Hi Harvey,

Thanks a lot for for your responses here, and catching this mistake in particular.

I called both cabinets factory because the auction included two pictures of the "JIM LANSING" decal on the front of the cabinet(s). Looking more closely I can see that there is two pictures of the same decal. One appearing "redder" than the other, I assumed they were two different decals. The left speaker's grille cloth didn't look right, but I thought it might have been replaced. But the wood grain around the decal is the same in both pictures, and the picture with the "less red" coloring shows the grill cloth of the right hand speaker, same decal in both.

I've asked the seller if both cabinets have decals.
The stain on the back of the home built job is way too light.The other tipoffs were the wire coloring; factory wiring would have been black/green for the woofer, and black/red for the HF driver. We would never have used all black lamp cord to wire the HF driver.

The grill spreader bar is also at the wrong point in the cabinet, and at a weird angle, indicating a home built job. We never used metal angle iron as grille speader bars. The spreader bar was wood, and looked like this from the side (kinda):

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Pictures 10, 12, and 22 also point out more differences; no T-nuts on the woofer in the home-built job, the 175 outside holes are not even, the N1200 network cutout was hand-cut, not jig-routed, and the wiring holes from the network are spaced wrong and not jig-drilled.

glen
04-05-2006, 01:21 PM
The stain on the back of the home built job is way too light.The other tipoffs were the wire coloring; factory wiring would have been black/green for the woofer, and black/red for the HF driver. We would never have used all black lamp cord to wire the HF driver.

The grill spreader bar is also at the wrong point in the cabinet, and at a weird angle, indicating a home built job. We never used metal angle iron as grille speader bars. The spreader bar was wood, and looked like this from the side (kinda):

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Pictures 10, 12, and 22 also point out more differences; no T-nuts on the woofer in the home-built job, the 175 outside holes are not even, the N1200 network cutout was hand-cut, not jig-routed, and the wiring holes from the network are spaced wrong and not jig-drilled.

Thanks again Harvey!

The detail of your knowledge is great!

I am always surprised by the quality of these homebuilt cabinets, they are often quite well made and match very closely the construction of the factory cabinets even to the internal bracing (I gues from following JBL plans).

It's really nice that you can gives us a handle on the details that would distinguish a well built copy from a JBL original.

Thanks for your invaluable input!

Harvey Gerst
04-05-2006, 01:32 PM
Thanks again Harvey!

The detail of your knowledge is great!
Nah, it ain't knowledge; just a lotta years spent looking inside these damn things.


I am always surprised by the quality of these homebuilt cabinets, they are often quite well made and match very closely the construction of the factory cabinets even to the internal bracing (I guess from following JBL plans).

It's really nice that you can gives us a handle on the details that would distinguish a well built copy from a JBL original.

Thanks for your invaluable input!
The plans we sold to customers were quite accurate and would result in a perfect cabinet - if they used the lockmitered joints we used (most often they didn't - a dead giveaway at an exposed back edge). The dark mahogany stain would also be difficult to duplicate, as would the stain on the back panels and inside pieces.

glen
04-09-2006, 12:10 PM
Quoting Steve Schell from a different thread:

[quote Steve Schell]I have noticed the odd serial numbers on all of the early (pre late 1950s) JBL products. I asked John Edwards, who ran the office for Jim Lansing from the Venice days onward and typed most of the "cut corner" type labels, about this. He said that the "serial" number actually represented some sort of batch number and possibly dating scheme, though he couldn't remember the details.
The serial numbers seem to make more sense after they began using the oval metal ID plates. Maybe they used a more normal scheme from that point on.[quote]

And I think it was Steve Schell who guessed that the first three numbers represent the year and month of origin (shipping date) in the format:

YMMxx (for 5 digit numbers)
YMMxxx (for 6 digit numbers)

Y being the last digit of the year as in "1" representing 1951
MM being the two digit month as in 06 representing June.

(I haven't yet found an early serial number starting with "2")

This fits well with the range of the early component serial numbers I have been able to find in that the first digit has a range of 1-6 (1951 to 1956) and the second and third numbers range from 01-12 conforming to twelve months.
And on the few original systems that I have found with components assembled at the same time and using these type of serial numbers the system components did have the same first three numbers.

Some support for this date interpretation is also found in serial numbers for the D-130-E, one of the shortest production runs during the "date-code" era. The E designated a field coil driver that was produced in anticipation of a possible alnico shortage because of the Korean war.
See an LH article on this driver here:
http://audioheritage.org/html/readers-photos/d130e.htm

As far as I can tell the D-130E was only ever listed for sale on JBL's August 1951 price list.
The second and third labels pictured below are from D-130Es and the first three numbers "106" would be interpreted as a June, 1951 production date which would seem to corrrelate well with their August 1951 appearance on the price list. The pair of matching serial numbers point to a single production run.

Other identical serial numbers have been found, a couple of N1200s I will post pictures of later, and some pairs of 130Bs removed from cabinets that were originally equipped with a pair of woofers which naturally enough would have been made and shipped at the same time.

But I'm not so sure that the remaining digits following the first three represent a "production batch" because in some cases the "number suffix" doesn't change for units that were shipped over a span of a couple of years:
175: N_30474, 40374, N-41074, N-41174, No50274
(from April, 1953 to Feb, 1955)

1217-1290: 404153, 410153, 502-153
(from April, 1954 to Feb, 1955)

N1200: 404170, 406170, 502170, 603170
(from April, 1954 to March, 1956)

130A & 130B: 405169, 412169, 505169, 601169
(from May, 1954 to Jan, 1956)

But in other cases the numbers increment up faster than might be expected for production runs:
The D130 "suffix numbers" increased from 169 in July, 1954 (407169)
to 511 by Oct, 1955 (510511) an increase of 342
to 713 by Aug, 1956 (608713) an increase of 202

150-4 "suffix numbers" increased from 342 and 347 in Nov, 1953 (311-342 & 311-347)
to 711 in Nov. 1954 (411-711) an increase of 364
to 825 in Feb, 1955 (502-825) an increase of 114

This shows an almost daily incrementing up of the numbers on D130s and 150-4s while other components were not incrementing up at all, or only occasionally

Anyway, here are some pics of these "early labels" that might help get this sorted out.
Some early D130 serial numbers:
D-130 serial number 5010 *
D-130-E serial number 10613
D-130-E serial number 10613
D-130 serial number 10615
D-130 serial number 407169
D-130 serial number 510511
D-130 serial number 608713

*note that the 5010 label does not show JBL name or address, and is probably not part of the "date-code" nubering scheme, there was also an intermediate "cut-corners" label that displayed the "James B. Lansing Sound" name without the address.

glen
04-09-2006, 12:54 PM
Actually most N-1000 crossovers that I'm aware of don't have serial numbers on them!

The earliest had only a square "Lansing Signature" logo, not even a model number. Which was in a system that also had only a logo with no serial number.

The next earliest N-1000 I have seen had a label with the "James B.Lansing Sound" tag, but the serial number space was left blank.
This is the first picture shown below.

In my own D-1002 speaker system with serial number 1049 the internal components have similar label that omit the serial number. So it may be that JBL didn't bother to assign serial numbers to components that were installed in one of their speaker units, at least at this time.

The latest N-1000 crossover I've seen bears serial number 499, it's the second picture below. It matches the serial number of the D-175 driver (also shown) that it was paired with in the D-1004 system (serial number 1142) they came out of.
It makes sense that the driver and crossover serial numbers would match at this early period. When these guys were built they were the only hi-frequency driver and crossover that JBL made.

glen
04-09-2006, 01:12 PM
After the first couple of these the "number suffix" following the date-code stays at "74"

Some early 175 serial numbers:
D-175 serial number 499 (not date-code)
D-175 serial number 10822
175 serial number N 30474
175-34* serial number 40374
175 serial number N-41074
175 serial number N-41174
175 serial number No50274

*This 175-34 model is the only one I've seen hyphenated in this way.
Anyone know why it might have gotten the extra "-34"?

Steve Schell
04-09-2006, 02:24 PM
Hi Glen,

You have done some great work here! Please keep it up.

I don't think I can claim credit for decoding the nembering scheme, but your hypothesis makes sense to me. Of course there are always flies in the ointment, like that no-name, no-address label.

I believe the cut corner labels began in Van Nuys, the earliest being the n-n,n-a. These were the company's first attempt to identify the components with model and serial numbers. As You'll recall, My Venice era D-1000 system has the same "A Jim Lansing Signature Speaker" paper label applied to all components, even the enclosure. Then came the one with the company name but no address. The drivers at this time also had a decal (probably the "racetrack") that showed the location as Van Nuys. After the move to Fletcher Drive, new cut corner labels that say Los Angeles were used. This may have coincided with the debut of Alvin Lustig's big L Jim Lansing decal, and the retirement of the racetrack and other location-identifying decals.

I doubt if the labels can positively identify the location of manufacture in all cases. I have seen Fletcher Drive era systems with Van Nuys labels on some drivers, so either driver inventory was moved or they used existing labels until they ran out.

Hofmannhp
04-09-2006, 03:13 PM
Hi Glen, Hi Steve,

that's is great post, thanks for this.
will add this to the registry.

hope that we also can find out where is the transition fron one to the other numbering system.

BTW: who is owner of this systems ?

hp

glen
04-09-2006, 04:44 PM
BTW: who is owner of this systems ?
hp

I wasn't really keeping track of the owners.
There's some from this website, some from ebay
and some from Japanese websites.

glen
04-09-2006, 08:50 PM
Some 130A & 130B early serial numbers:
Pictured below:
D-130-A* serial number 1049 (April 1951 "number suffix" 9)??**
130 A serial number 405169
130A serial number 412169
130A serial number 505169

130B serial number 610169 (not pictured)
as discussed in this thread:
http://audioheritage.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=7253

*not only does this early 130A have the "D" prefix, it is also a 32 ohm model, maybe predating the the "130B" designation for 32 ohm models
**this and another D-130-A shared a D-1004 cabinet with the a D-175 and N-1000 that were both numbered 499. Could this "name only" tag be a very early 4-digit "date-code" number? Or is it a different, earlier scheme?

glen
04-09-2006, 09:28 PM
Some early N-1200 crossover serial numbers:
N-1200 serial number 10804 (Aug, 1951 "number suffix" of 08)??
N-1200 serial number 32147*
N-1200 serial number 311147
N-1200 serial number 402147 (not pictured)
N-1200 serial number 404170
N-1200 serial number 404170
N-1200 serial number 406170
N-1200 serial number 411170
N-1200 serial number 502170
N-1200 serial number 608173 (not pictured)
*I think that this is just a typo, meant to be 302147

Harvey Gerst
04-09-2006, 10:36 PM
I'll bet someone at Miller Dial and Nameplate would know; they made all of the foilcals. They were right next door to us on Casitas.

glen
04-09-2006, 10:38 PM
Some early 1217-1290 horn serial numbers:
1217-1290 serial number 404153
1217-1290 serial number 410153
1217-1290 serial number 502153

glen
04-09-2006, 11:02 PM
I'll bet someone at Miller Dial and Nameplate would know; they made all of the foilcals. They were right next door to us on Casitas.

That's great info Harvey, thanks for weighing in.
Do you know if Miller would also have made the earlier engraved plastic nameplates used on the 175 and 375 drivers before those used foilcals?

Hofmannhp
04-09-2006, 11:42 PM
Hi Glen and Harvey,

that's great....thread is going to the right direction..:)

Miller moved from Casitas to some 10mls east,....El Monte , Temple City Blvd.
Maybe that they have also a "Harvey Gerst" :D who can remember the old times.
Is it posible that one of you CA's can contact them?

HP

glen
04-10-2006, 12:02 AM
Some early 150-4 driver serial numbers:
150-4 serial number 311-342
150-4 serial number 311-347
150-4 serial number 411-711
150-4C serial number 502825

Oldmics
04-10-2006, 11:40 AM
The 150-4 (#711) marked as a 16 ohm device.

It should be 32 ohms.Very unusual. :blink:

Oldmics

glen
04-10-2006, 12:18 PM
175-34* serial number 40374
*This 175-34 model is the only one I've seen hyphenated in this way.
Anyone know why it might have gotten the extra "-34"?
I found the 175-34 shown in only one place, the January 1954 Theatre Sound Systems price list (a 275-34 was also listed)

This would seem to agree with the interpretation of the "date-code" serial number of the 175-34 giving a March, 1954 build date.

Does anyone know what the difference was between the regular 175 & 275 and these "-34" versions? Were these early designations of the later "HP" versions with the more rugged phenolic diaphrams?

Hofmannhp
04-10-2006, 12:27 PM
Hi Glen,

my list shows also what you wrote....

I have now:

175's with the numbers:
30474
40274
40374
40474

you seem to be absolutely right with the date code.
Oldmics assumes that they changed the system in 1955/56 for 5 digit or 4 digits without any systematic.....maybe they only count up from this date.

HP

The types with the -34 , as one example confirms were built in the C34

Harvey Gerst
04-10-2006, 03:07 PM
That's great info Harvey, thanks for weighing in.
Do you know if Miller would also have made the earlier engraved plastic nameplates used on the 175 and 375 drivers before those used foilcals?I'm not 100% sure, but probably they did.

glen
04-11-2006, 10:40 PM
From the Audio Talk! marketplace:
http://www.allaudio.org/detail-6813986.html

JBL L-65 Jubal Components - Complete Set

From the estate of former JBL designer responsible for the 077's
"crystal" slot front.

2 each of:

O77 high frequency drivers. 8 ohms. Serial nos. 39998 and 40000.
Perfect condition.

LE5-5 mid-range drivers, perfect condition.

126A 12" woofer, serial nos. 36308 and 36901. 8 ohms. Voice coils
and cones good. Surrounds need replacing.

Dividing networks Work perfectly.

System badges with serial nos. 36089, 36091. Badges bent due to
removal of components, probably straightenable.

glen
04-12-2006, 04:17 PM
I'll bet someone at Miller Dial and Nameplate would know; they made all of the foilcals. They were right next door to us on Casitas.

Talked briefly to a couple of people at Miller Dial and they said that any old records would have been purged long ago. And one person who had been there for 30 years knew they had done work for JBL but said that anyone with a recollection of that would have been retired from the company long ago.

glen
04-16-2006, 09:18 PM
130A serial no. 16661
175 serial no. 8860
1217-1290 serial no. 6703
N1200 serial no. 5039


three different auctions of components claimed to be from a single system :

http://cgi.ebay.com/Vintage-15-JBL-Signature-Speaker-Woofer-130A-16-ohm-EX_W0QQitemZ9713901207QQcategoryZ3276QQrdZ1QQcmdZV iewItem (http://cgi.ebay.com/Vintage-15-JBL-Signature-Speaker-Woofer-130A-16-ohm-EX_W0QQitemZ9713901207QQcategoryZ3276QQrdZ1QQcmdZV iewItem)

from auction description:
This is a Vintage 15" JBL Signature Speaker/Woofer 130A/16 ohm. Serial # 16661. Back of Cone - 5.4, 130-202. Came out of a JBL N1200 Cabinet. Excellent Condition! Great Sound! Bidding starts at 10.00. Winner pays shipping (20.00 Cont.US). Thanks!!

http://cgi.ebay.com/JBL-1217-1290-Signature-Speaker-Tweeter-175-Driver-EXC_W0QQitemZ9713901213QQcategoryZ3276QQrdZ1QQcmdZ ViewItem (http://cgi.ebay.com/JBL-1217-1290-Signature-Speaker-Tweeter-175-Driver-EXC_W0QQitemZ9713901213QQcategoryZ3276QQrdZ1QQcmdZ ViewItem)

from auction description:
This is a Beautiful Vintage JBL 1217-1290 Signature Sound Speaker Tweeter, Serial # 6703. And, the matching JBL Model 175 Signature Speaker Driver, Serial # 8860. 16 ohm. Came out of a JBL N1200 Cabinet. Excellent Condition! Bidding starts at 10.00. Winner pays shipping (16.50 Cont.US). Thanks!!

http://cgi.ebay.com/Vintage-JBL-Signature-Sound-N1200-Speaker-Crossover-WOW_W0QQitemZ9713901195QQcategoryZ3276QQrdZ1QQcmdZ ViewItem

from auction description:
This is one Vintage JBL Signature Sound N1200 Speaker Crossover. 16 ohm. Serial # 5039. L.F. - 1/2. H.F. - 3/4. H.F. Gain - Min/Med/Max. In - B/R. Very Good Condition! Works Well! Bidding starts at 10.00. Winner pays shipping (12.50 Cont.US). Thanks!!!


And then there's the pair of badges:

http://cgi.ebay.com/Vintage-JBL-Signature-Speaker-Badges-Off-N1200-Speakers_W0QQitemZ9713864274QQcategoryZ3276QQrdZ1Q QcmdZViewItem

from auction description:
This is a pair of Vintage JBL Signature Speaker Badges. Taken off the Grills of a pair of JBL N1200 Speakers. The Clasps in back of the Badges are gone. Good Shape! Bidding starts at .99 - Winner pays shipping (2.00 Cont.US). Thanks!!


The pair of badges could indicate that these components came from two different 001 systems, but But the seller only mentions one "N1200" speaker in the auction for the components, so one of the pair may have come with the D130 that the seller is also auctioning at this time.

glen
04-17-2006, 12:24 AM
LE14A serial number 42234 and 42262
LE175 serial number 10595 and 10605
1217-1290 serial number 23925 and 23936
LX10 crossovers


three different auctions of components claimed to be from a single pair of Lancer 101 speakers :

http://cgi.ebay.com/2-pieces-Vintage-JBL-LE14A-Signature-Drivers_W0QQitemZ9713600874QQcategoryZ73372QQssPag eNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

from auction description:
TWO 14" SIGNATURE SERIES--JBL LE14A WOOFERS
You are bidding on a Two Signature Series JBL LE14A Woofers in excellent working condition.
These woofers were used in a working pair of L101. Go to Lansing Heritage forums www.audioheritage.org (http://www.audioheritage.org) and click on there vintage brochuers and goto the 1969-70 catalog.
You are bidding on Two Signature Series JBL LE14A 14 inch Woofers in excellent working condition.
These drivers are a classic. They were used in the high quality JBL speaker systems like JBL Lancer 99, Lancer 101 or C56, C53 as well.
These speakers are extremely well built. Each sports a 4 inch Edgeqwound Copper ribbon vented voice coil and massive 11.5 lbs. ALNICO magnetic Assembly, 30 Watts continuos power, Free Air Cone responce 25Hz. These pair LE14A speakers for auction are in EXCELLENT condition. The domes and cones are all in perfect shape. . The WHITE FOAM surround is also perfect, NO CRACK and STILL SOFT. These pair speaker have smooth and sweet sound and they work perfectly, no voice coil rubs on these pair woofers and the cones are in perfect condition. I guarantee these pair woofers work and sound perfectly fine. These pair drivers work beautifully when tested. Both drivers have the close serial are 42262 and 42234, Rated 8 ohms Cosmetically these pair of drivers are rated as Great Condition, outside of the small scracthes on the brushed aluminum, which you have to get up close to see.
THE WHITE SURROUND STILL SOFT, NO CRACK,

the two JBL LE 175 drivers are in my other auction
payment:Bank or money transfer
ask me if you have any question

http://cgi.ebay.com/PAIR-ALNICO-JBL-LE175-Signature-Drivers-UNTUCHED_W0QQitemZ9713598512QQcategoryZ73372QQssPa geNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

from auction description:
THIS IS A RARE PAIR OF JBL LE 175 HORN DRIVERS AND LENSES .ALNICO MAGNETS.UNITS ARE ALL ORIGINAL UNTUCHED WITH RED WAX SEALS.THIS IS A PART OF JBL SIGNATURE COLLECTION.SERIAL NUMBER 10605 AND 10595 VERY CLOSED .COMES WITH HORN TYPE 1217-1290 SERIAL 23925 AND 23936.UNITS ARE CLEAN NO RUST AT ALL REMOVED FROM JBL CABINET.DRIVERS ARE 8 OHMS AND THEY ARE TESTED AND IN WORKING ORDER.
the two JBL LE 14A drivers are in my other auction
payment:Bank or money transfer
ask me if you have any question

http://cgi.ebay.com/JBL-LX10-crossovers-a-pair_W0QQitemZ9713620947QQcategoryZ50597QQrdZ1QQcm dZViewItem

from auction description:
Original JBL LX10 Crossover frequency 1500HZ,
in a very good conditon from my LANCER L101

glen
04-17-2006, 09:52 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by glen
That's great info Harvey, thanks for weighing in.
Do you know if Miller would also have made the earlier engraved plastic nameplates used on the 175 and 375 drivers before those used foilcals?


I'm not 100% sure, but probably they did.
Hi Harvey,

Since you weren't 100% sure, and I was striking out at Miller Dial, I did a little investigation and found that a company named Nelson Nameplate was located at 3191 Casitas Ave, just down the block from JBL and thought they might've done some of the nameplate work too, possibly including the engraved plastic versions that came and went.

Here's their webpage with a brief history of the company:
http://www.nelsonusa.com/about/

With the kind help of John Beilfuss I received this forwarded email from Ed Simpson who worked at Nelson Nameplate as a salesman in the 50s and worked his way up to become president of the company by the time he retired:

JB,

We moved into 3191 after the fire in 1955. JBL was already there as I recall.

It was a couple of years later that an engineer from JBL came down to visit us. I took him through the plant and looked at some of the work he wanted done. I believe, in those days it was etch work and he also had some small screened or lithographed panels.

We did a quotation for him and a copy to purchasing which was a lady but her name escapes me. They were a big Miller Dial account at that time.

We did get some business and things were going well, they could come down and design parts and we made them quickly.

This all came unglued when the Purchasing Manager whose first name was Red and again the last name escapes me took the business away from us and retooled Miller.

The whole thing only lasted about a year. It is interesting to know that the Purchasing Manager later was let go and went to work for Miller Dial in the same capacity.

There would be no records from any early dealings with JBL that I know of.

Ed

Hofmannhp
04-17-2006, 01:11 PM
Thanks Glen for your work to find out more about the serial numbering system, but I cannot imagine that the foilcal company does the punched or printed numbers. i guess they made the naked decals and the Northridge guys made the number.

Anyway....the Registartion counter is now on 1068

best regards

HP

glen
04-17-2006, 11:51 PM
D130 serial number 24799
075 serial number 7242
N2500 serial number 6739

three different auctions of components claimed to be from a single corner system :

http://cgi.ebay.com/Vintage-1950s-JBL-D130-15-Alnico-Speaker-16-ohm-MINT_W0QQitemZ9714344734QQcategoryZ50597QQssPageNa meZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

from auction description:
Up for auction is an original JBL Signature Series model D130 15 inch speaker. The unit is an early version dating from the 1950's and is serial number 24799. It is 16 ohm impedance and has the number code 130202 on the rear of the cone. The speaker is in mint original condition. It works perfect and sounds awesome. The speakers original cone is in mint condition and the outer cork pad is perfect. The surface paint is in mint condition also. This speaker is very hard to find from this era in this nice of condition. The speaker was pulled out of an original JBL corner speaker and was in-tombed until I pulled them out. The components are in mint shape! This was found at a recent 80 year estate safely stored away for years. Please see my other auctions for the other speakers, crossover and corner cabinet I will be listing. Good luck and please email me with any questions. This is by far the nicest one I have ever seen or had. I will combine shipping! I also will be adding a charge to pack this speaker or I can take it to a professional packing company

http://cgi.ebay.com/Vintage-Early-JBL-075-Bullet-Tweeter-Driver-w-Ring-EX_W0QQitemZ9714319207QQcategoryZ73372QQssPageName ZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

from auction description:
Up for auction is an original JBL Signature Speaker model 075 Driver with mounting ring radiator(WITH ALL ORIGINAL HARDWARE). The speaker is an early version dating from the late 1950's. This model is more commonly known as a "Bullet" Tweeter. It is serial number 7242 and is 16 ohm impedance. The tweeter is in mint original condition. It works perfect and sounds awesome. The tweeter also has the factory original wax over the bolt heads. The magnet and foilcal are in perfect original shape. This tweeter is very powerful and very hard to find from this era. The speaker was pulled out of an original JBL corner speaker and was intombed until I pulled them out. The components are in mint shape! This was found at a recent 80 year estate safely stored away for years. Please see my other auctions for the other speakers, crossover and corner caminet I will be listing. Good luck and please email me with any questions. I will combine shipping!

http://cgi.ebay.com/Vintage-Early-JBL-N2500-Crossover-Volume-Dial-16-ohm_W0QQitemZ9714342035QQcategoryZ14977QQssPageNam eZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

from auction description:
Up for auction is an original JBL Signature Sound model N2500 Crossover and volume control. The unit is an early version dating from the 1950's and has the early water decal oval logo. It is serial number 6739 and is 16 ohm impedance. The crossover and volume control are in mint original condition. It works perfect and the volume control has a metal dial. The unit has all the original hardware. The paint and power wire are in perfect original shape. This crossover is very powerful and very hard to find from this era. The crossover was pulled out of an original JBL corner speaker and was in-tombed until I pulled them out. The components are in mint shape! This was found at a recent 80 year estate safely stored away for years. Please see my other auctions for the other speakers and corner cabinet I will be listing. Good luck and please email me with any questions. I will combine shipping

glen
04-19-2006, 12:39 AM
D130 serial number 44321
075 serial number 17864
N2600 serial number 7544

stereo pair of 030 systems in nice furniture cabinets, one system opened to show components. "Audionics" hand-written inside cabinet:

http://cgi.ebay.com/RARE-VINTAGE-JBL-SIGNATURE-SERIES-HOME-SPEAKER-SYSTEM_W0QQitemZ9714645656QQcategoryZ50597QQrdZ1QQ cmdZViewItem

from auction description:
This is a great set of vintage jbl's in walnut cabinets. Fresh from a local estate and boy do they thump. Tested throught a period macintosh system they sounded great. Speaker stystem is in excellent condition, cabinets have some stains and a little veneer loss to a back corner (see photo). These cabinets measure 37" wide x 20" deep x 31" tall including feet. This is the information I can give you on the one I photoed internally. I took the back off both and photoed the inside of one...they are both perfect inside. The woofer is a Signature Series model D130 is a 16 ohm and serial # 44321 and is12" diameter. The tweeter is a model 075 is 16 ohm and has a serial # 17864. The control is a model N2600 is 16-32 ohm and is serial # 7544. All is excellent with this set.

Harvey Gerst
04-19-2006, 09:27 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by glen
That's great info Harvey, thanks for weighing in.
Do you know if Miller would also have made the earlier engraved plastic nameplates used on the 175 and 375 drivers before those used foilcals?


Hi Harvey,

Since you weren't 100% sure, and I was striking out at Miller Dial, I did a little investigation and found that a company named Nelson Nameplate was located at 3191 Casitas Ave, just down the block from JBL and thought they might've done some of the nameplate work too, possibly including the engraved plastic versions that came and went.

Here's their webpage with a brief history of the company:
http://www.nelsonusa.com/about/

With the kind help of John Beilfuss I received this forwarded email from Ed Simpson who worked at Nelson Nameplate as a salesman in the 50s and worked his way up to become president of the company by the time he retired:

JB,

We moved into 3191 after the fire in 1955. JBL was already there as I recall.

It was a couple of years later that an engineer from JBL came down to visit us. I took him through the plant and looked at some of the work he wanted done. I believe, in those days it was etch work and he also had some small screened or lithographed panels.

We did a quotation for him and a copy to purchasing which was a lady but her name escapes me. They were a big Miller Dial account at that time.

We did get some business and things were going well, they could come down and design parts and we made them quickly.

This all came unglued when the Purchasing Manager whose first name was Red and again the last name escapes me took the business away from us and retooled Miller.

The whole thing only lasted about a year. It is interesting to know that the Purchasing Manager later was let go and went to work for Miller Dial in the same capacity.

There would be no records from any early dealings with JBL that I know of.

Ed

OK, Nelson Nameplate sounds right. (Damn, it's hell getting old; your memory is the second thing to go.) If you faced the front door on Casitas, Nelson was to the right. I thought Nelson was already there when we moved into Casitas from Fletcher Drive.

I guess we used Miller Dial when I was at Acoustic Control and I got them confused.

glen
04-19-2006, 10:18 AM
OK, Nelson Nameplate sounds right. (Damn, it's hell getting old; your memory is the second thing to go.) If you faced the front door on Casitas, Nelson was to the right. I thought Nelson was already there when we moved into Casitas from Fletcher Drive.

I guess we used Miller Dial when I was at Acoustic Control and I got them confused.

You're not confused!
Most of JBLs business was with Miller Dial.
It sounds like Nelson got a share of the business for a few years from the mid-late 50s to through the early 1960s, including some of the aluminum nameplates. Ed Simpson recognized the attached images as some of the type of work Nelson Nameplate did for JBL:
They are the same type of foilcal parts that we took from Miller Dial. Foilcal was their name for products made of aluminum under .006 in thickness.

They also had worked on tooling up for some prototype equipment when they had to return the tooling and artwork to JBL who was moving all their business to Miller Dial:
We also worked on products not shown in your lineup that were prototypes that JBL tooled for thousands of dollars. Those tools were later pulled from Nelson and the artwork was also given to JBL to be given to Miller.

Ed recalled the puchasing manager that apparently made the decision:
I remember his name as Red Houghton.

Does that name ring any bells?

Harvey Gerst
04-20-2006, 07:24 AM
You're not confused!
Most of JBLs business was with Miller Dial.
It sounds like Nelson got a share of the business for a few years from the mid-late 50s to through the early 1960s, including some of the aluminum nameplates. Ed Simpson recognized the attached images as some of the type of work Nelson Nameplate did for JBL:

Ed recalled the puchasing manager that apparently made the decision:
I remember his name as Red Houghton.

Does that name ring any bells?
Nope, no bells. Arnold Kalland (?sp) was head of purchasing during those days, as I recall.

GordonW
04-20-2006, 08:09 AM
This is from an 030 system, that I sold back in 2005. I got this setup from the ORIGINAL owner, who purchased it in the timeframe between late 1959 and mid 1960.

D130 serial numbers: 48084, 48085
075 serial numbers: 23953, 23954
N2400 serial numbers: 14215, 14217

glen
04-23-2006, 10:54 PM
From an ebay auction:

http://cgi.ebay.com/JBL-SIGNATURE-SOUND-075-BULLET-TWEETERS-NEW-IN-BOX_W0QQitemZ9717255140QQcategoryZ50597QQrdZ1QQcmd ZViewItem

075 serial number 85145 in original box dated March 31, 1973
075 serial number 85148 in original box dated April 1, 1973

terryblulite
04-24-2006, 12:32 AM
A couple drivers here.Not sure if this helps much,but here it is.Will edit in photos later.I use the Altec daily!
First post here.Lots of info,lots of history here.Been searching the library and just reading for a couple weeks.Plenty fun toys :applaud:

JBL model 2240H ser# 15035

out of service-needs reconed-bought this asis cheap.

Altec Lansing 421A ser# 11188

cone has white printed #'s - 21353-3
frame edge has black printed #'s - 391128
Installed as factory upgrade option in my Ampeg B-15S
ser# 104619.Cabinet has brushed aluminum/black paint
metal tag that says"Quigley Music Studios" (Kansas City,I hear) I have dated the amplifier to 1971.Date of man. for the Altec possibly 1970-71?

Hofmannhp
04-24-2006, 02:47 AM
[quote=terryblulite]A couple drivers here.Not sure if this helps much,but here it is......quote]

Thanks Terry.......every single driver helps to fill the spreadsheet.

HP

glen
04-25-2006, 12:38 AM
LE15 serial number 1371 and 1372
LE75 serial number 1101 and 1105
LX5 serial number 4358 and 4360

Cabinets may follow

three different auctions of parts claimed to be from a pair of olympus speakers:

http://cgi.ebay.com/MATCHING-Vintage-JBL-Olympus-Speakers-LE15-LE-15-16-OHM_W0QQitemZ9717768183QQcategoryZ50597QQrdZ1QQcmd ZViewItem (http://cgi.ebay.com/MATCHING-Vintage-JBL-Olympus-Speakers-LE15-LE-15-16-OHM_W0QQitemZ9717768183QQcategoryZ50597QQrdZ1QQcmd ZViewItem)

from auction description:

THIS AUCTION IS FOR A VINTAGE "MATCHING" PAIR OF JBL OLYMPUS SPEAKERS MODEL LE15'S. THESE ARE ORIGINAL AND THEY CAME OUT OF A RARE PAIR OF JBL OLYMPUS LATTICE GRILLED SPEAKER CABINETS. THESE SPEAKERS SOUND GREAT, AND WORK WELL. THEY WILL HOWEVER NEED TO BE REFOAMED ON THE OUTER EDGES AS THEY ARE DRY AND IN SOME SECTIONS CRACKED AS SHOWN. THE WOOFERS THEMSELVES SHOW NO TEARS OR RIPS WHATSOEVER. THEY ARE A LITTLE SOILED HERE AND THERE, AND WILL LEAVE ANY DESIRED TECHNICAL CLEANING TO YOU. THE BACKSIDES LOOK PERFECT AS SHOWN. THE PHOTOS WERE TAKEN IN VERY BRIGHT LIGHT, THESE SPEAKERS LOOK NICER IN PERSON. THE SERIAL NUMBERS ARE 1371 AND 1372. THE DRIVERS, CROSSOVERS, LENSES, AND CABINETS WILL BE LISTED SOON. WE PONDERED ON HOW TO LIST THIS, AND I KNOW THERE ARE FOLKS OUT THERE NEEDING ONLY CERTAIN COMPONENTS AND WOULD NOT WANT TO PAY EXTRA FOR WHAT THEY DON'T NEED, SO WE'RE SELLING IT ALL SEPARATELY. IF YOU WANT IT ALL, BID ON EACH OF THE AUCTIONS TO WIN IT ALL. WE SELL ALL VINTAGE ELECTRONIC ITEMS AS FOUND AND "AS IS" WE WON'T RISK THE RETURN OF TAMPERED WITH VINTAGE ITEMS.


http://cgi.ebay.com/Vintage-JBL-Olympus-Speaker-Horns-Drivers-16OHM-LE-75_W0QQitemZ9717210831QQcategoryZ50597QQssPageName ZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

from auction description:
THIS AUCTION IS FOR AN EXCELLENT PAIR OF VINTAGE JBL OLYMPUS SPEAKER HORNS AND DRIVERS. THEY ARE MODEL LE75, SERIAL NUMBERS 1101 AND 1105, AND ARE 16 OHMS. AS YOU CAN SEE THEY ARE IN GREAT ORIGINAL PHYSICAL CONDITION; THEY WORK GREAT, AND CAME OUT OF A RARE PAIR OF JBL OLYMPUS LATTICE GRILLED CABINETS. THESE MEASURE APPROXIMATELY 12 1/2" FROM THE TIP OF THE HORN, TO THE TIP OF THE DRIVER. ALL THE ORIGINAL SEALS ARE CLEAN AND TIGHT. THE SPEAKERS, CROSSOVERS, LENSES, AND CABINETS WILL BE LISTED SOON. WE PONDERED ON HOW TO LIST THIS, AND I KNOW THERE ARE FOLKS OUT THERE NEEDING ONLY CERTAIN COMPONENTS AND WOULD NOT WANT TO PAY EXTRA FOR WHAT THEY DON'T NEED, SO WE'RE SELLING IT ALL SEPARATELY. IF YOU WANT IT ALL, BID ON EACH OF THE AUCTIONS TO WIN IT ALL. THESE HORNS AND DRIVERS ARE IN GREAT PHYSICAL AND WORKING CONDITION, BUT WE SELL ALL VINTAGE ELECTRONICS AS FOUND AND "AS IS". WE WON'T RISK THE RETURN OF A TAMPERED WITH VINTAGE ITEM. THANK YOU AND GOOD LUCK!

http://cgi.ebay.com/Vintage-JBL-Olympus-Speaker-Crossovers-16-OHM-LX5-NICE_W0QQitemZ9717179183QQcategoryZ50597QQssPageNa meZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

from auction description:
THIS AUCTION IS FOR AN EXCELLENT PAIR OF VINTAGE JBL OLYMPUS SPEAKER CROSSOVERS. THEY ARE MODEL LX5 AND ARE 16 OHMS. AS YOU CAN SEE THEY ARE IN GREAT ORIGINAL PHYSICAL CONDITION; THEY WORK GREAT, AND CAME OUT OF A RARE PAIR OF JBL OLYMPUS LATTICE GRILLED CABINETS. THE SPEAKERS, HORNS, DRIVERS, AND CABINETS WILL BE LISTED SOON. WE PONDERED ON HOW TO LIST THIS, AND I KNOW THERE ARE FOLKS OUT THERE NEEDING ONLY CERTAIN COMPONENTS AND WOULD NOT WANT TO PAY EXTRA FOR WHAT THEY DON'T NEED, SO WE'RE SELLING IT ALL SEPARATELY. IF YOU WANT IT ALL, BID ON ALL THE AUCTIONS TO WIN IT ALL. THESE VINTAGE CROSSOVERS ARE INDEED WORKING, AND IN GREAT ORIGINAL CONDITION, BUT WE SELL ALL VINTAGE ELECTRONICS AS FOUND, AND "AS IS". WE WON'T RISK THE RETURN OF A TAMPERED WITH VINTAGE ITEM.

Hofmannhp
04-25-2006, 01:35 AM
Hi Glen,

hey ...you do some ebay fishing like an eagle (the American one with the white head).

I had them too....

(Counter is now showing 1163)

regards
HP

glen
04-25-2006, 01:42 AM
Detailed description with lots of pictures

Particularly interesting because it includes date-code style and progressive serial numbers. If our interpretation of the date-code numbering system is correct then this cabinet was assembled in December of 1955.

This is the earliest foilcal D130 (10268)
and the second earliest laminate plastic plate 175 (1482) I have seen.
Which would point to the introduction of these styles of nameplates, and the progressive serial numbering for these components in late 1955.

D130 serial number 10268
175 serial number 1482
1217-1290 serial number 512-153
N1200 serial number 512170

from auction description:
Here I am offering a vintage JBL speaker. I believe it is model C38 Cabinet. The components are the 175 Speaker, with 1217 Horn, The D130 15” Speaker, and the N1200 Crossover. This speaker looks great for it's age. The speaker sounds amazing...it is very clear and precise and has a warm bass response without being muddy or dull.

Auction includes:
JBL 175 DRIVER
SERIAL NUMBER 1482
16 OHM
DCR 7.9 OHMS
JBL HORN

MODEL 1217-1290
SERIAL NUMBER 512-153
JBL L D130

SERIAL NUMBER 10268
16 OHMS
CODE ON PAPER CONE 130 202
DCR 6.5
JBL CROSSOVER MODEL N1200

16 OHMS
SERIAL NUMBER 512170
JBL CABINET WITH BRASS LOGO

not sure which cabinet this is..it is either model 36 or 38. I believe 38. It has the legs and walnut veneer. The cabinet has many scuffs and marks and one piece of veneer is missing on the right front corner. Overall the cabinet looks good for a 50 year old speaker
The sound and performance of all the components is absolutely perfect! These drivers and crossover have been treated well and they sound amazing. Refer to the pictures for detailed close-up pictures of all the drivers. Each component has been tested individually; all components work perfectly and perform to optimal levels. All of the components are original except for the speaker wiring which is new.
This speaker will be shipped with the horn and driver removed , then packed, and then placed inside the cabinet....otherwise the horn assembly is likely to be jarred off of it's mount and damaged. The legs will removed and placed inside the cabinet as well for the safest delivery. All inside will be padded and cushioned, and then the cabinet will be padded and boxed.

glen
04-25-2006, 09:03 AM
Hi Glen,
hey ...you do some ebay fishing like an eagle (the American one with the white head).
That would be the American BALD eagle, a trait which I am on the verge of sharing with the eagle, but not ready to admit to yet!

glen
04-27-2006, 01:10 AM
Both of these original boxes are dated April 3, 1973:

http://cgi.ebay.com/JBL-SIGNATURE-SOUND-N7000-CROSSOVERS-TWO-NEW-IN-BOX_W0QQitemZ9718683267QQcategoryZ50597QQrdZ1QQcmd ZViewItem

glen
04-27-2006, 10:00 PM
LE15A Woofer Serial #10317
LE15A Woofer Serial #10320
LE85 Compression Driver Serial #3922
LE85 Compression Driver Serial #3921
LX5 Crossover Serial #11889
LX5 Crossover Serial #12861

http://cgi.ebay.com/JBL-Custom-ALNICO-Speaker-PAIR-LE15A-LE85-1217-1290-LX5_W0QQitemZ9719082872QQcategoryZ50597QQrdZ1QQcmd ZViewItem

includes original warranty cards

glen
04-30-2006, 01:32 PM
O.K. this is a trick posting, because, as far as I know, JBL's first product, the D 101 speaker was never given serial numbers.

The D 101 (D101, D-101) had the model number cast into the frame and initially bore the "Iconic" label, badge or name plate, the first one shown below.

A second version of the Iconic label added the "Trade Mark Reg." under the three stars on the upper half. Maybe this was what prompted Altec to apply enough pressure to cause Jim Lansing to stop using the "Iconic" name.

The final D101s appeared with the rectangular logo adopted when JBL move to the Marquardt facility in Venice, Ca. in late 1947 (more details here: http://audioheritage.org/html/history/lansing/founding.htm )

The first D130, D175 and N1000 components and D-1000 cabinet also bore this rectangular decal and no serial numbers, but I haven't seen it used on any other models.

glen
05-03-2006, 11:54 PM
The earliest D130 drivers I have seen bear the same square Venice, California "A Jim Lansing Signature Speaker" badge/logo/nameplate as the last D101s. So these would have bbeen made after the move to 4221 Lincoln Boulevard in Venice. The nameplate was placed on the side of their rolled and welded, flat-back, no-hole magnet pot.
They did not have an applied label showing serial number or model.
The model was molded into the outer edge of the frame as it had been on the D101.

The earliest "cut corners" tag with spaces for "Model No.", "Impedance", and "Serial No.". and the "James B. Lansing Sound Inc.", name only, appears at the bottom of the cut-corners tag. This tag first appeared in conjunction with the race-track oval shaped Venice, Calif. "Jim Lansing Signature Speaker" logo nameplate on the side of their rolled and welded, flat-back, no-hole magnet pot.
I haven't yet seen a D130 with this labelling, BUT the drivers and crossovers I HAVE seen with the Venice race-track logo NEVER had a serial number filled in!

In late 1948 JBL move to 7801 Hayvenhurst Avenue in Van Nuys, Calif. and the race-track logo was updated with the new city. The logo nameplate and cut-corners label were still on the side of their rolled and welded, flat-back magnet pot. At sometime during the Van Nuys era the first serial numbers appeared on JBL drivers. Though I have found other JBL components with the Van Nuys racetrack and the "name-only" cut corners label, the earliest serial numbered D130 I have seen, number 5010, has the Van Nuys race-track logo and a unique "cut corners" tag without any Lansing I.D. on it.
This D130 serial number 5010 shows another Van Nuys era innovation: the hole through the flat back of the magnet pot. So my guess is that this D130 is from late in the Van Nuys era, and the "no-name" cut corners label represents a temporary, stop-gap label when the "name only" labels had run out. It would have been used for a short time before the new logo design necessitated by the move from Van Nuys to Fletcher Drive in late 1949 had been finalized.
I have also wondered if the 5010 number might be the begining of the "date-code" numbering possibly standing for October of 1950 represented as yymm, but that would seem a fairly late date to still be using the Van Nuys logo.

glen
05-04-2006, 02:05 AM
In 1949 moved again, from Van Nuys to Fletcher Drive in Glendale, Ca.
The Alvin Lustig designed JBL logo, with the "L" in Jim Lansing rendered in oversized flowing script had appeared in JBL advertising in 1950, and sometime around 1950 or 1951 it appeared on the drivers as well.
Keeping the Logo design cleaner and bolder meant redesigning the cut corners label too. The name, "James B. Lansing Sound inc." was moved to the top of the cut-corners label, and in it's place at the bottom appeared "Los Angeles, Calif. Made in U.S.A.". In between were the same spaces for mode, impedance and serial number.
The logo and label were still on the side of their rolled and welded, flat-back with a hole magnet pot.
D130 with big "L" logos and cut-corner serial number tags on the magnet pot:
(listed in hypothetical "date-code" order)
D130 serial number 510511 (May 1951 revision? 11)
D130-E serial number 10613 (June 1951 revision? 13)
D130-E serial number 10613 (June 1951 revision? 13)
D-130 serial number 10615 (June 1951 revision? 15)

When the one-piece cast iron magnet pot with the rounded shoulder profile was introduced the same big "L" logo and "name & address" cut corners label were moved the spokes of the frame. The serial number label was on the leg with the solder-lug electrical connection, and the big "L" log was on the opposite leg.
D130s with cut-corner serial number labels on frame leg with solder lugs and big "L" logos on opposite leg :
(listed in hypothetical "date-code" order)
D130 serial number 212167 (December 1952 revision? 167)
D130 serial number 407169 (July 1954 revision? 169)
D130 serial number 412169 (December 1954 revision? 169)
D130 serial number 503169 (March 1955 revision? 169)

The Logo and label kept their same positions on the frame spokes when JBL switched from the solder lugs to spring connectors.
(Some other drivers appeared with knurled-knob screw down connector terminals, but I did not find D130 examples)
D130s with cut-corner serial number labels on frame leg with spring connectors and big "L" logos on opposite leg :
(listed in hypothetical "date-code" order)
D130 serial number 510169 (October 1955 revision? 169)
D130 serial number 601169 (January 1956 revision? 169)
D130 serial number 601169 (January 1956 revision? 169)
D130 serial number 608713 (August 1956 revision?batch? 713)

glen
05-04-2006, 03:07 AM
The rugged heavy aluminum foilcal was introduced around 1956/1957. It featured an early version of the exclamation point logo with an "L" in the dot at the bottom of the exclamation point. "Jim Lansing" appeared to the left of the exclamation point, "signature" was to the right.
For the first time the serial numbers seem to be simply a sequential numbering system, possibly starting with 10000.
D130s with foilcals using the "L" exclamation point:
D130 serial number 10268
D130 serial number 10424
D130 serial number 12394
D130 serial number 12961
D130 serial number 13631
D130 serial number 13687

Steve Schell
05-04-2006, 09:00 AM
Hi Glen,

More great work on your part. Here are a few points I can add...

To the best of my knowledge, the D-101 remained in production into the Van Nuys era, late 1948 to early 1949. It is included in this catalog:

http://www.lansingheritage.org/images/jbl/catalogs/1948/page5.jpg

I just looked at the original of this catalog with a magnifying glass, and the paper label on the D-101 says Venice, as do the labels on the other drivers in the catalog. There was an earlier version of this catalog on ebay one time (that I didn't win) that looked the same but said Venice on the cover. This Van Nuys catalog was probably a reprinting of the earlier one with the address changed. Still, it seems to me that if the D-101 production had stopped by that time then Jim would have removed it from the new catalog.

The two D-101s in my collection have the round "Iconic" labels; one with and one without the trade mark mention. Only the earliest San Marcos D-101s have the "Iconic label, as Altec Lansing apparently confronted Jim Lansing with what they regarded as his infringement of their trademark as soon as they found out about his use of it. Jim must have been working on the tooling for the D-175 and H-1000 horn at this time, as the earliest examples are labeled San Marcos, as was their literature. I have to think that he was planning to introduce his two way speaker with the Iconic name until Altec dropped the hammer on him.

Strangely, the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office lists the first application to register "Iconic" as occurring on October 20, 1947, and being granted to Altec Lansing on January 25, 1949. The documentation can be viewed here:

http://tess2.uspto.gov/bin/showfield?f=doc&state=qftp40.2.21

One would think that the squabble over the trademark would have occurred earlier than October 1947; Jim had been set up at Marquardt in Venice for some months by then, and had been making the entire line with San Marcos "signature" paper labels previous to that. There is also no evidence in current USPTO records that Jim ever applied for a trade mark on the Iconic term.

Even stranger, that USPTO page shows first use of the Iconic term as "19370701", and first use in commerce as "19470401." July 1937 would be about right for the introduction of the Lansing Iconic; the earliest advertisement we have for the Iconic is in an October 1937 magazine. Wouldn't the debut of the Lansing Iconic, and it's taking the industry by storm have constituted first use in commerce?

It looks to me like Altec probably threatened to lawyer Jim Lansing to death, then after he had agreed to quit using the term they had their legal department leisurely work up a trademark application. We'll probably never get to the bottom of this mystery.

The first "A Jim Lansing Signature Speaker" rectangular paper labels bear the San Marcos address; I have a D-130 with this label, and have seen a few others. Single sales sheets with the San Marcos address exist for the D-130, D-131, D-130A, D-175, H-1000 and D-1000 system. Jim's friend Norman Neeley was forming a marketing company in 1946, and Jim asked him to help with distribution of his products. Neeley coined the term "Jim Lansing Signature" for the product line, probably in the wake of the Altec squabble.

Glen, I have about thirteen flat back drivers on hand including the D-101s, and two or three early cast pot drivers. If you like we can get together sometime to photograph everything and add a few more pieces to our puzzle.

glen
05-04-2006, 05:44 PM
Hi Steve,

Thanks very much for putting your vintage catalog, and this thread, under your magnifying glass!


This Van Nuys catalog was probably a reprinting of the earlier one with the address changed.Still, it seems to me that if the D-101 production had stopped by that time then Jim would have removed it from the new catalog. You may be right about this, but it's also a possibility that the product photographs were just a bit out of date by the time the catalog was being prepared. Maybe the D101 was photographed with the Van Nuys label for the catalog, but sales were limited to existing stock with the Venice label while sales of the less expensive D130 outstripped the older driver.

It's always faster and easier to revise the type layout for printed matter than to go back and redo product photography which is a bigger chore.
As an example of how photos may lag behind: on the bottom part of the same page as the D101 you looked at was a picture of a D130:
http://lansingheritage.org/images/jbl/catalogs/1948/page5.jpg

The same photgraph of the D130, turned to face right instead of left, is used on the cover of the catalog:
http://lansingheritage.org/images/jbl/catalogs/1948/page1.jpg

This catalog is listed in the library as 1948 and the cover is stamped April 1949.

But the same photograph is still used for the 1951 catalog:
http://lansingheritage.org/images/jbl/catalogs/1951/page1.jpg
http://lansingheritage.org/images/jbl/catalogs/1951/page2.jpg
The photograph has been retouched to hide the old square Venice label which was doubly out moded by then having been superceded by the race-track labels and the big "L" logos.

Another example is the D130 on the top left corner of this 1955 catalog page which was photographed with the big "L" script logo on the side of the one-piece cast iron magnet pot:
http://lansingheritage.org/images/jbl/catalogs/1955/page2.jpg
I've never seen one branded this way and believe this variant was never produced, just mocked up for the photo.

A similar interesting product photo may shed some light on another of your thoughts:

Jim must have been working on the tooling for the D-175 and H-1000 horn at this time, ... . I have to think that he was planning to introduce his two way speaker with the Iconic name until Altec dropped the hammer on him. Well the 1948 spec sheet for JBL's first loudspeaker system doesn't mention "Iconic" anywhere:
http://lansingheritage.org/images/jbl/specs/home-speakers/1948-d1000/page1.jpg

But then, as I continued to poke around the literature, I recognized the bleed-through of the D-1000 page as the back side of this page:
http://lansingheritage.org/images/jbl/specs/home-comp/d130a-d175/page1.jpg
So this is really page two of the D-1000 spec sheet, not just a spec sheet for the D130A and D175. And looking closely at the side of the D175 driver, that round thing on the side of the 175 looks more like an "Iconic" logo than any other label I've ever seen on a 175. (see attached photo) It might be just heavily retouched, as some other JBL product photos of this era were. Or it might be a deliberate attempt to obliterate an Iconic logo after the Altec lawyers called. But I wish you could put that spec sheet under your magnifying glass, I think that just might have been a 175 with an iconic label in the original photo and your right about Jim Lansing originally intending to the D-1000 to be an "Iconic".

glen
05-04-2006, 06:26 PM
Glen, I have about thirteen flat back drivers on hand including the D-101s, and two or three early cast pot drivers. If you like we can get together sometime to photograph everything and add a few more pieces to our puzzle.

That actually sounds like great fun!
It sounds like like you have some of the "missing links" that I thought should exist, but haven't seen. And also some specimens I did not expect, like the Van Nuys D101.
And you know I like pictures!
I'll get in touch soon.

Steve Schell
05-04-2006, 09:50 PM
Hey Glen,

Just to be clear, only the address on the cover of the c. 1948 catalog says Van Nuys. The labels on all of the drivers pictured in it say Venice. I was trying to say that this catalog had first been printed with the Venice address on the cover, and was reprinted when the company moved to Van Nuys, changing perhaps only the cover address.

One thing is for sure, D-101s are scarce. I have only known of the existence of seven of them (I think) in the modern era. The two I have belonged to Hal Cox, who probably received them along with a bunch of other stuff from William Thomas many years ago. A friend of a friend in San Diego has a pair with original cones, reportedly with the round labels. One recently sold on ebay, also with a round label. My friend Robert In Australia has one with the round label. The only one I've ever seen with the rectangular "Signature" paper label was owned for a time by Kerry Brown; the picture of it is still on his site:

http://homepage.mac.com/ikecarumba/PhotoAlbum12.html

In the same time I've been looking for D-101s, I've seen at least 100 to 150 flat back D-130s, 130As and D-131s go by on ebay. So, even if the D-101 was still being made into the Van Nuys era (which I still suspect is true), very few were sold.

As to the use of "Iconic", my sense is that the altercation with Altec probably took place in late 1946 or early 1947, before Jim moved his operation to Marquardt in Venice. Otherwise it would be hard to explain the existence of the drivers and literature with the San Marcos address but lacking any mention of Iconic. I think that after Jim agreed to cease using the Iconic term, Norman Neeley came up with the "Signature" theme to use instead. BTW, Kerry Brown also shows the "Signature" label from a San Marcos D-175 on his site- same link.

It is neat that you noticed the same D-130 picture being used again and again. This tradition has continued at JBL, as a number of items have been pulled from the archives again and again for use in literature over the years. Some of the images appear numerous times, airbrushed, cropped or otherwise manipulated by the art agencies involved. There is one particularly hideous reworking of a profile shot of Jim Lansing that makes his hair look like whipped cream or something.

glen
05-04-2006, 10:22 PM
It was probably sometime in 1957 that the exclamation point logo with an "L" in the dot at the bottom of the exclamation point was replaced with the letters "JBL" in the dot. "signature" was moved to the left of the exclamation point, where "Jim Lansing" had been, and "speaker" now appeared on the right.
The serial numbers seem to continue the sequential numbering system begun on the first foilcals.
Because I know some JBL products were specially aimed at the Japanese market I was curious if some drivers were more common there than the U.S. So I have noted some of the cases where I found the D130 listed on a Japanese website. The higher serial numbers do seem more common in Japan, so maybe it was still being marketed there after it became less commonly available in the U.S.
D130s with foilcals using the "JBL" exclamation point:
D130 serial number 15263
D130 serial number 16058
D130 serial number 16084
D130 serial number 16601
D130 serial number 19215
D130 serial number 24426
D130 serial number 24799
D130 serial number 26058
D130 serial number 26536 dated delivery receipt Dec.5,1957
D130 serial number 27208
D130 serial number 28363 japan
D130 serial number 30072
D130 serial number 30952
D130 serial number 31884
D130 serial number 32867 japan
D130 serial number 35428 japan
D130 serial number 36569
D130 serial number 36625
D130 serial number 39111
D130 serial number 39154
D130 serial number 40812
D130 serial number 44321
D130 serial number 44951
D130 serial number 44953
D130 serial number 45061
D130 serial number 45066
D130 serial number 45214
D130 serial number 45459
D130 serial number 45656 circa1960
D130 serial number 46145
D130 serial number 47780
D130 serial number 48084 claimed 1959/1960
D130 serial number 48085 claimed 1959/1960
D130 serial number 49132
D130 serial number 49134
D130 serial number 51901
D130 serial number 52832 japan
D130 serial number 52921 circa1960
D130 serial number 53148
D130 serial number 55569
D130 serial number 56685
D130 serial number 61618 japan
D130 serial number 63186
D130 serial number 63834
D130 serial number 63837
D130 serial number 64285
D130 serial number 68124
D130 serial number 68126
D130 serial number 70349
D130 serial number 70368
D130 serial number 73783
D130 serial number 74239
D130 serial number 74505
D130 serial number 75733
D130 serial number 77462
D130 serial number 80067
D130 serial number 83052
D130 serial number 83067
D130 serial number 83139
D130 serial number 84815
D130 serial number 84819
D130 serial number 88786 japan
D130 serial number 89450 japan
D130 serial number 90560
D130 serial number 90661
D130 serial number 92600 japan
D130 serial number 99237 japan
D130 serial number 99241 japan
D130 serial number 99250 japan
D130 serial number 102292 japan
D130 serial number 104053 japan
D130 serial number 109931 japan
D130 serial number 111707 japan
D130 serial number 111808
D130 serial number 112471 japan

glen
05-04-2006, 11:09 PM
The last D130s I found were an "H" variant bearing a redesigned foilcal with the Northridge, Ca. address. So these must have been produced after 1976 when JBL started moving some of their departments into the Nortridge facilities where they remain today. The D130H serial numbers are NOT a continuation of the earlier D130 sequence, so must have restarted at a lower number.
The only examples I found were in Japan, like most of the highest numbered D130s with the classic foilcal.
D130H drivers with the Northridge foilcal:
D130H serial number 11469 japan
D130H serial number 11705 japan

glen
05-05-2006, 12:09 AM
LE14A serial number 16803 and 17791
LE20-1 serial number 40947 and 43057
LX4-1 serial number 7926 and 8706

three different auctions of parts claimed to be from a pair of Lancer99 speakers:

http://cgi.ebay.com/2-JBL-LE14A-12-Woofers-from-Lancer-99-Speakers-WOW_W0QQitemZ9720395657QQcategoryZ3276QQssPageName ZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem (http://cgi.ebay.com/2-JBL-LE14A-12-Woofers-from-Lancer-99-Speakers-WOW_W0QQitemZ9720395657QQcategoryZ3276QQssPageName ZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)

from auction description:
This is 2 JBL LE14A Signature Speaker 12" Woofers taken out of a pair of Vintage JBL Lancer 99, Type S99 Speakers. 8 ohm. Serial # 17791 & 16803. The Surrounds in both Speakers are Stiff with a just a little play. Both Speakers sound Very Good! As with all electronics - sold as is. You'll Love these Vintage JBL Speakers!!! Bidding starts at 10.00. Winner pays shipping (35.00 cont.US). Thanks!!

http://cgi.ebay.com/2-JBL-LE20-1-Signature-Tweeters-from-Lancer-99-Speakers_W0QQitemZ9720395621QQcategoryZ3276QQssPag eNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem (http://cgi.ebay.com/2-JBL-LE20-1-Signature-Tweeters-from-Lancer-99-Speakers_W0QQitemZ9720395621QQcategoryZ3276QQssPag eNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)

from auction description:
This is 2 JBL LE20-1 Signature Tweeters taken out of a pair of Vintage JBL Lancer 99, Type S99 Speakers. They work and sound very good! Imp. 8 ohm. Actual Tweeter is 2". Full Diameter is 3 7/8". Serial # 40947 & 43057. I peeled off the black trim in front that surrounds the Tweeter - And, they will need to be reglued on to the front, by the winner. As with all electronics - sold as is. Great Vintage JBL Tweeters! You'll Love Them! Bidding starts at 10.00. Winner pays shipping (8.50 Cont.US). Thanks!!

http://cgi.ebay.com/2-JBL-LX4-1-Crossovers-from-Lancer-99-Speakers-WOW_W0QQitemZ9720395646QQcategoryZ3276QQssPageName ZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem (http://cgi.ebay.com/2-JBL-LX4-1-Crossovers-from-Lancer-99-Speakers-WOW_W0QQitemZ9720395646QQcategoryZ3276QQssPageName ZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)

from auction description:
This is 2 JBL LX4-1 Crossovers taken out of a pair of Vintage JBL Lancer 99, Type S99 Speakers. Precision Divided Network System. High Frequency Level Control - Low/Medium/High. Comes complete with wiring. Serial # 8706 & 7926. They're both in good shape and work well. As with all electronics - sold as is. Great Vintage JBL Crossovers!! Bidding starts at 10.00. Winner pays shipping (8.50 Cont.US). Thanks!!

glen
05-05-2006, 09:49 AM
Hey Glen,
Just to be clear, only the address on the cover of the c. 1948 catalog says Van Nuys. The labels on all of the drivers pictured in it say Venice. I was trying to say that this catalog had first been printed with the Venice address on the cover, and was reprinted when the company moved to Van Nuys, changing perhaps only the cover address.

A light slowly dawns, in my head.

glen
05-07-2006, 03:15 AM
I believe the seller has mis-identified this system.

http://cgi.ebay.com/JBL-D33001-N-1200-X-Over-D130-B-Woofers-D-175_W0QQitemZ9722277578QQcategoryZ50597QQrdZ1QQcmd ZViewItem

A picture of the top of the enclosure shows five sides, which would indicate that this is the deeper C32. And the component system is the 050 which would make this a D32050B (B for Blond Finish) if it was a factory cabinet. The seller believes it may be home built because it has no Lansing insignia on the cabinet. I'm not sure when they started putting the big "L" decals on the cabinets, but the 175 has one so it might be odd that the cabinet doesn't.

This system has 5 and 6 digit date-code serial numbers on the cut-corners labels.
Here are the system serial numbers, and dates (guesses based on theoretical date-code interpretation)
D-130B serial number 205132 (May 1952 version 132)
D-130B serial number 205132 (May 1952 version 132)
175 serial number N21074 (October 1952 version 74)
1217-2190* serial number 20381 (March 1952 version 81)
(*pretty clear that this should be a 1217-1290 horn)
N-1200 serial number M11355 BG*
(*I believe the "M" is a typo intended to be the letter "N". "N" and "No" have been used as prefixes on the date code numbers before)

This crossover number is a little vexing, first there's the M for N typo.
But then there's "BG" after the number.
Steve Schell has mentioned that the dual woofer systems must have had the crossovers adjusted differently than crossovers for the single woofer systems. Maybe the "BG" is a designation for an N1200 balanced for dual woofers, posssibly only used when the crossover was sold separately. (the seller says this may be a home built system)
Finally, though, there is the serial number's first three digits, which according to my current theory would be the thirteenth month of 1951 (1951 + 13).
It might just barely be possible that in January of 1952 someone incremented up to 113 from 112 (the twelfth month of 1951) instead of to 201. It kinda gets there, but I'm more inclined to say "three strikes you're out" and give up on interpreting this crossover serial number for now.

From the auction description:
Up for auction is a very rare JBL D33001 style cabinet in blonde. The cabinet may be an aftermarket, or homemade cab as it doesnt have any JBL insignia on the actual cabinet. They are however extremely well built and the cabinet sounds great. The cabinet is loaded with all original stock JBL components. This JBL cabinet includes the JBL N-1200 X-Over, two JBL D130-B 32 ohm woofers in like new condition and a single "potato masher" D-175 horn and 1217-2190 horn lenses.
This speaker was swept and tested. Both D130-B woofers swept great with no noises, rubbing, or other such unwanted noises. The single D-175 horn is open as it must have a bad diaphragm. When you try to ring the diaphragm out you get an open reading.
All of the drivers are in excellent shape as can be seen in the photos. The blonde cabinet is in good shape and would need some work in order for it to be excellent. The cabinet has miscellaneous scratches, nicks, and dings on it. It also has some finish that is starting to scale on the top of the cabinet as well as a dark spot on the top of it.
Dont miss out on this terrific chance to own this JBL classic. This speaker would be great for the tube enthusiast and great for horn lovers. Capture a piece of American speaker history with these classic JBL speakers.

glen
05-07-2006, 06:31 PM
In separate auctions

LE15B woofers serial number 18605 and 18139
LE85 drivers serial number 23255 and 23698
H91 horns serial number 30559 and 30833
L91 lenses serial number 38737 and 38152
LX16 crossovers serial number 19069A and 19304A

http://cgi.ebay.com/JBL-L200-speakers-drivers-horns-crossovers-LE15B_W0QQitemZ7411945007QQcategoryZ47092QQssPageN ameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

from auction description:
JBL LE 15 B 15" woofers from L200 Studio Monitors
serial numbers 18605, 18139
Speakers are in perfect working order. One dented dustcap--not affecting sound.
LE85 drivers, H91 horns, L91 lenses, Lx 16 dividing networks listed seperately.
ALL COMPONENTS ARE ORIGINAL JBL AND FUNCTION PERFECTLY


http://cgi.ebay.com/JBL-L200-speakers-drivers-horns-crossovers-LE85_W0QQitemZ7411948537QQcategoryZ47092QQrdZ1QQcm dZViewItem

from auction description:
JBL LE 85 drivers with H91 horns from L200 Studio Monitors
serial numbers 23255, 23698, 30559, 30833
Drivers are in perfect working order.
LE15 woofers, L91 lenses, Lx 16 dividing networks listed seperately.
ALL COMPONENTS ARE ORIGINAL JBL AND FUNCTION PERFECTLY


http://cgi.ebay.com/JBL-L200-speakers-drivers-horns-crossovers-L91_W0QQitemZ7411955968QQcategoryZ47092QQssPageNam eZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

from auction description:
JBL L91 lenses from L200 Studio Monitors
serial numbers 38737, 38152
Lenses are in perfect working order.
LE15 woofers, LE85 drivers, H91 horns, Lx 16 dividing networks listed seperately.
ALL COMPONENTS ARE ORIGINAL JBL AND FUNCTION PERFECTLY


http://cgi.ebay.com/JBL-L200-speakers-drivers-horns-crossovers-LX16_W0QQitemZ7411959059QQcategoryZ47092QQssPageNa meZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

from auction description:
JBL LX16 crossovers/dividing networks from L200 Studio Monitors
serial numbers 19069A, 19304A
Crossovers/ Dividing networks are in perfect working order.
LE 15B woofers, LE85 drivers, H91 horns, L91 lenses listed seperately.
ALL COMPONENTS ARE ORIGINAL JBL AND ARE FUNCTIONING PERFECTLY

glen
05-10-2006, 01:13 PM
From elsewhere in the forum:

L100 (not "A", vertically aligned tweeter-mid-woofer)
in original dated boxes
L100 serial number 33717 was shipped from jbl may 11 1972
L100 serial number 34352 was shipped from jbl may 22 1972

L100 (not "A", vertically aligned tweeter-mid-woofer)
L100 serial number 36082 and 36090 claimed 1972 purchase

glen
05-11-2006, 12:57 AM
Model number AN 216
(#5 added in ink, possibly representing 5 lb magnet structure?)
Impedance 16 ohms
Serial number 5101
(January 1951 by my current interpretation of date code)

This Flat-back welded magnet pot would predate the earliest listings I've seen for D216
(first appearance in August 15, 1952 price list, but not yet shown in 1952 catalog on this site)

This would also be earlier than the earliest D208 I've seen,
a flat-back Serial number 302139 that I interpret as being from February 1953, but there is plenty of evidence of earlier D208s:
D208 is shown in 1949 catalog, and included on April 15, 1949 price list.

Anyone seen anything like this before?

Currently listed in ebay auction:

http://cgi.ebay.com/RARE-JBL-JIM-JAMES-LANSING-AN216-AN-216-8-SPEAKER_W0QQitemZ9724863458QQcategoryZ50597QQssPag eNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

glen
05-11-2006, 09:22 PM
From auction description:
JBL C38 Enclosure serial #11303
D130 15" Woofer serial #61216
O75 Compression Tweeter serial # 36978 Crossover N2600 serial #13866
Also included are the silver legs.


http://cgi.ebay.com/JBL-C38-38-Speaker-MONO-D130-075-Tweeter-NR_W0QQitemZ270000022634QQcategoryZ50597QQrdZ1QQcm dZViewItem

glen
05-19-2006, 07:26 AM
D130 serial number 88229

Seller on ebay says he has receipt for original purchase in January of 1973.

http://cgi.ebay.com/JBL-model-D-130-15-in-extended-range-speakers_W0QQitemZ9725275337QQcategoryZ50597QQssPa geNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

from auction description:
I purchased the loudspeakers in January, 1973 and I have the original invoice, paid $108 each. Speakers were removed from original custom enclosures.

glen
05-21-2006, 08:04 PM
I don't think JBL marketed a system like this:

D131 serial number 21856
075 serial number 32956
N2600 serial number 12047 and 12048 dated August 30, 1962

Does anyone know why they would market a system with the D123 and 075 (002 system), but not the combination ofD131 and 075?

http://cgi.ebay.com/JBL-D131-075-Signature-Speakers-Pristine-BT-L200-L300_W0QQitemZ9730318438QQcategoryZ61377QQrdZ1QQcm dZViewItem

from the auction description:
These fine USA made speakers were bought new in 1962, are in perfect working order, and have been maintained in original pristine condition under one owner's loving care. The natural sound is phenominal and crystal-clear. The wood cabinets are custom solid walnut fine furniture by Accoustic Craft - higher grade than manufacture stock cabinet. Only very selective buyers order that and they were NOT home built but by factory. These fine walnut cabinets also serve as end table/ night stand furniture in additional to the premium stereo function. Now the cabinets have no dents, nicks, or scratches all around.
The woofers are JBL D131 Signature series 12" in pristine condition. The cones and foams are in excellent shape for 44 years. They were never reformed or repaired.
The tweeters are the JBL 075 bullet tweeters which were machined from a solid block of aluminum. There bullet tweeters have indefinite life (metal) and has crystal clear direct (as trumpet) high frequence response. They are premium and highly sought taday. Just reference its value: in 2002 ebay item#1357053178 bid at $455 a pair.
The Crossover is JBL N2600 in 16, 32 ohms. All the controls and metal portions are in wonderful condition.

Zilch
05-21-2006, 08:14 PM
http://audioheritage.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=5527&highlight=Acousti-craft

glen
05-21-2006, 10:25 PM
Blond C34 with 001 system on ebay with sales receipt dated July 10, 1956.

http://cgi.ebay.com/1956-Jim-Lansing-Signiture-34-Cabinet-JBL-Speaker-EX_W0QQitemZ9730259206QQcategoryZ50597QQrdZ1QQcmdZ ViewItem

130A
175 serial number 2283
N1200 serial number 126

from the auction description:

1956 Lansing Folded Horn Speaker
As shown is nice 1956 Jim Lansing Model 34 Folded Horn Cabinet with original D130 Woofer and 175DLH Koustical Lens Assy or Tweeter. The speaker was tested and works excellent. The Cabinet is in almost excellent condition. Has a side chip to the veneer as shown also lower corner has chip. A beautiful blond wood with nice grain. Original grill is excellent too. Cabinet is folded horn which reproduces excellent bass. Woofer is Lansing D130 15". Woofer has ALNICO magnet. 4" voice coil at 25watt rating. Horn Tweeter is Lansing Koustical Lens Assembly Model 175DLH 5" diameter. Also has Lansing 1200 Dividing network with 1200hz crossover. Includes all original paperwork plus original recept from 1956 Satisfaction warranty on this one. Size 23 3/4"x 40"x22 3/4" Prefer local pickup. Please see all photos for details and condition. Please see my other auctions for the Amp and Pre amp from the same estate. Thanks

glen
05-22-2006, 10:21 PM
C50 Olympus on ebay

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=9727235908&sspagename=ADME:L:RTQ:US:1

C50 cabinet serial number 10408
LE15A serial number 3652
LE85 serial number 2607
LX5 serial number 6687

glen
05-22-2006, 10:47 PM
As described in this thread:

http://audioheritage.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=10845

C37 cabinet with rare "L" exclamation point brass emblem
130A serial number 11577
175 serial number 2119
N1200 serial number 284
1217-1290 with script "L" decal

glen
05-22-2006, 11:29 PM
As listed in ebay auction:

http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=9720854073&sspagename=ADME:B:AAQ:CA:1

C60 cabinet serial number 10645
LE15A serial number 13163
375 serial number 8878
LX5 serial number 15745
075 serial number 60121
with HL93 horn/lens, N7000, and PR15 passive radiator

glen
05-23-2006, 10:12 PM
In an auction on ebay:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=9714472786&sspagename=ADME:L:RTQ:US:1

D130 serial number 69235 and 70135
LE175 serial number 1038 and 1040
1217-1290 serial number 13274 and 13282
N1200 serial number 14126 and 14127

from auction description:
Please see pictures, this set of 1965 vintage JBL equipment are all in excellent condition with no rips in the woofer cloth, also the surround is the earlier paper instead of foam. They include all labels, no large scratches or dents in any of the equipment. All paint is intact and in excellent condition. They came out of an older gentleman's estate, from a built in wall cabinet. Includes all paperwork and is signed and dated with warranties all dated 1965, and also a booklet which features all three units, D 130 16 OHMs woofers, LE 175 Horns, and N1200 Crossovers. Six pieces total. Two woofers, two horns with drivers, and two crossovers.

glen
05-27-2006, 10:36 PM
These components have the 6-digit date code serial numbers
130A serial number 505169
175 serial number N-50574
1217-1290 serial number 505-153
crossover serial number 505170

My best guess is that the shared "505" prefix would indicate a May 1950 date of origin.

in auction:
http://cgi.ebay.com/JBL-175-16-OHM-HORN-DRIVER-15-WOOFER-CROSSOVER-Network_W0QQitemZ9733103156QQcategoryZ73372QQrdZ1Q QcmdZViewItem

from the auction description:
Vintage James B. Lansing!!!!

FIRST IS A RARE JBL model 175 HORN DRIVER AND model 1217-129 LENS.ALNICO MAGNET. UNIT IS ALL ORIGINAL UNTOUCHED WITH RED WAX SEAL.THIS WAS A PART OF "JIM LANSING" SIGNATURE COLLECTION, SEE PICTURES. SERIAL NUMBER N-50574.COMES WITH HORN TYPE 1217-1290 SERIAL 505-153
NEXT UP IS A VERY RARE JBL 15" MODEL 130A SPEAKER WITH WITH THE ALINCO MAGNET. THIS WAS A PART OF "JIM LANSING" SIGNATURE COLLECTION, see pictures. PAPER CONE IS CRACKED AND WILL NEED TO BE REPLACED. SERIAL NUMBER 505169
AND FINALLY THE CROSSOVER NETWORK, THE MODEL NUMBER ON THE STICKER IS MISSING, THE SERIAL NUMBER IS 505170 SO THIS WAS ALL FROM THE SAME MONO SPEAKER AT ONE TIME. HAVE BEEN IN STORAGE FOR A FEW YEARS, SOLD AS-IS.

glen
05-28-2006, 12:19 AM
D-1004 cabinet serial number 1242
D-130-B 32 ohm serial number 5002
D-130-B 32 ohm serial number 5002
175 serial number not specified
1217-1290 horn serial number not specified
N-1200 serial number 5002

Note the matching D130 and N-1200 numbers indicating February 1950 date of origin

The baffle in this cabinet still has the cutout and stand-offs for the old H1000 horn, a black piece of board on top of that has the 175DLH mounted to that. This seems to have pushed the driver back far enough to require some mods to the D-1004 cabinet (see last picture comparing this cabinet to a D-1004 with the H1000 horn). It looks like the back vertical was trimmed and a corner brace was removed.


ebay auctions of a single D-1004:

http://cgi.ebay.com/JBL-Speaker-D1004-Earlier-Than-Hartsfield-D130B-Woofers_W0QQitemZ9732653764QQcategoryZ50597QQrdZ1Q QcmdZViewItem (http://cgi.ebay.com/JBL-Speaker-D1004-Earlier-Than-Hartsfield-D130B-Woofers_W0QQitemZ9732653764QQcategoryZ50597QQrdZ1Q QcmdZViewItem)


from auction description:
One Early JBL Corner Speaker Model D1004. Serial #1206. Only ONE Speaker.

Dimensions are 35" x 17 1/2" x 50 3/4". Net weight 136.8 lbs/62.1kg.

Wow, this is not everyday you see such a rare vintage early JBL beauty. All of it is JBL. Early serial number too.

The components inside are 2 x 130B 32 Ohms 15" Speakers. Both speakers are in very very near mint condition. Excellent paint.

Serial numbers 5002 on Both 15" woofers. The cones are as new. No holes and cones do not rub. Cone number is 978A on both. Look at pictures below and you'll see the amazing condition the speakers are in. First time removed for pictures taking!
Both speakers are connected and measured DCR reads 5.8 Ohms.

The Driver is a 175 model with horn model 1217-1290. Early Lansing color too. Measured DCR reads 11.4 Ohms.

The crossover is model N-1200. 16 Ohms. Serial #5002.

Tested with a small tube amp and you can bet the sound is awesome.

All plywood construction. No particle board. Cabinet is in excellent condition.

All components inside are original early James B Lansing. Take a look at pictures below.

Check my other auctions for more old speakers and horns.

Due to size and weight the speaker will be plywood crated on a pallet and shipped. There will be a $100.00 packing/handling charge for this. No charge if you pick up or arrange for your own transportation.

International Shipping by Baxglobal Door to Door is approximately $500.00 About $300.00 if shipped to major airport only.

Shipping across US by Forward Air is about $125.00 or less.

Thank you and Good Luck : ) : )

glen
05-28-2006, 10:55 PM
L100 serial number 280639A

Seller says original receipt is dated 1-19-1978

In ebay auction:
http://us.f356.mail.yahoo.com/ym/ShowLetter?MsgId=8285_4588226_3375_2029_10708_0_22 690_41122_63210945&Idx=6&YY=12895&inc=25&order=down&sort=date&pos=0&view=&head=&box=Inbox


from the auction:
These have been tested & sound AWESOME. They have been owned by the same audiophile owner since original purchase in 1978. He has kept TREMENDOUS & OUTSTANDING care of these babies. He has all of the paperwork, including instruction manual. He even has the original boxes & packing foam!

glen
05-31-2006, 10:50 PM
The D42020 version of the short-lived Bel-Aire speaker on ebay

D216 serial number 17188
075 serial number 11947
N2400 serial number 10329

in auction:
http://cgi.ebay.com/Rare-1950s-JBL-Bel-Aire-Speaker-w-075-216-and-N2400_W0QQitemZ9734883457QQcategoryZ50597QQrdZ1QQc mdZViewItem

from description:
Very rare 1950's JBL Bel-Aire model D42020 two-way bookshelf speaker in superb original condition. It has been thoroughly tested, plays great, sounds fantastic!
Walnut veneer, original grill cloth and frame.
Original satin lacquer finish
16 ohm N2400 crossover #10329
16 ohm 075 bullet tweeter, red wax seals intact #11947
16 ohm D216 low frequency driver, original 208 310 perfect cone #17188
Search the world over and I doubt you will ever find another Bel-Aire in such nice, all original condition.

glen
06-04-2006, 07:40 PM
D130 serial number 83284 and 83505
075 serial number 66497 and 66514
N2400 serial number 31768 and 31863

three different auctions of parts claimed to be from a pair of C38 speakers:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=9736841602&ssPageName=MERC_BC_ReBay_Pr2_PcY_BID_W0_IT

from auction description:
This auction is for the D130 pair only. The 075 tweeters and 2400 X-over photos are to show you the entire set is available now.
Pair of Classic D130's, lovingly cared for by me for some time. I'm clearing out some of my treasures, so my loss is your gain.
Removed from C38 cabinets, clean and pristine as the day they were manufactured (minus a few mounting screw marks, of course). Serial #s are 83505, 5.9-ohm and 83284, 6.0-ohm; cones, voicecoils, ductcaps and spiders are the original JBL installed parts.
The matching, pristine, 075 bullet tweeters, and N2400 Crossovers are available in my other auctions.




http://cgi.ebay.com/JBL-075-8-ohm-pair-FLAWLESS-original-cond-C38-C36_W0QQitemZ9736846237QQihZ008QQcategoryZ50597QQs sPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

from auction description:
This auction is for the 075 tweeter pair, mounting rings and baffles only. The D130 woofers and 2400 X-over photos are to show you the entire set is available now.
Pair of Classic 075's, lovingly cared for by me for some time. I'm clearing out some of my treasures, so my loss is your gain.
Removed from C38 cabinets, clean and pristine as the day they were manufactured (minus a few mounting screw marks, of course). Serial #s are 66497, 6.5-ohm and 66514, 6.5-ohm; voicecoils are the original JBL installed parts.
The matching, pristine, D130 woofers, and N2400 Crossovers are available in my other auctions.



http://cgi.ebay.com/JBL-2400-8-ohm-pair-FLAWLESS-original-cond-C38-C36_W0QQitemZ9736857954QQihZ008QQcategoryZ50597QQs sPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

from auction description:

This auction is for the N2400 crossover pair only.
The D130 woofers and 075 tweeters, photos are to show you the entire set is available now.
Pair of Classic N2400's, lovingly cared for by me for some time. I'm clearing out some of my treasures, so my loss is your gain.
Removed from C38 cabinets, clean and pristine as the day they were manufactured (minus a few mounting screw marks, of course). Serial #s are 31863 and 31768; coils and capacitors are the original JBL installed parts.
The matching, pristine, D130 woofers, and 075 tweeters are available in my other auctions.

glen
06-04-2006, 11:27 PM
LE15B serial number 14294 and 14295
LE85 serial number 17935 and 18028
H91 horns serial number 25437 and 25613
L91 lenses serial number 31672 and 31674 (mis-stated in auction)
LX16 crossovers serial number 14204 and 14209 (with hand scratched "A" suffix)

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=9736843652&indexURL=8&photoDisplayType=2#ebayphotohosting

from auction:

LE15B WOOFERS MATCHED PAIR
FULLY TESTED
PERFECT WORKING AND COSMETIC CONDITION
Consecutive serial #'s 14294 & 14295
shipping to U.S. only
Hello and thank you for your interest. These Woofers are in perfect condition. They function beautifully. They were removed from a pair of L200 STUDIO MASTER SPEAKERS. They are complete with mounting harware. They tested identically on my meter. Cone motion is very linear. No rubbing voice coils. No issues period. Cone, spider, dustcap, and surrounds in perfect condition. Baskets look great with no rust or oxidation. Input terminals in perfect condition. Gaskets look and feel great. Please see my other auctions for matching horns, tweeters, crossovers, and lenses.


http://cgi.ebay.com/JBL-LE85-DRIVE-UNITS-Immaculate-condition-Tested_W0QQitemZ9736826309QQihZ008QQcategoryZ73372 QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

from auction:

LE85 DRIVE UNITS
Fully Tested
Beautiful Condition
serial #'s 17935 & 18028
Hello and thank you for your interest. These drive units are in absolute perfect condition. They play beautifully and tested identical on my meter. They were removed from a pair of JBL L200 speakers that were purchased by my uncle. They have never been serviced or modified. They have original 1 1/4" edge wound aluminum ribbon. I have the matching woofers, lenses, horns, and crossovers on auction as well so please check them out.


http://cgi.ebay.com/JBL-H91-HORNS-WITH-GASKETS-Immaculate-condition_W0QQitemZ9736829751QQihZ008QQcategoryZ73 372QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

from auction:
H91 HORNS
Beautiful Condition
serial #'s 25613 & 25437
Hello and thank you for your interest. These horns are in absolute perfect condition. They were removed from a pair of JBL L200 speakers that were purchased by my uncle. They have never been serviced or modified. They are complete with all mounting hardware. I have the matching woofers, lenses, tweeters, and crossovers on auction as well so please check them out.


http://cgi.ebay.com/JBL-L91-HORN-LENSES-Immaculate-condition_W0QQitemZ9736832961QQihZ008QQcategoryZ73 372QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

from auction:
L91 HORN LENSES
Beautiful Condition
serial #'s 25613 & 25473
Hello and thank you for your interest. These horn lenses are in absolute perfect condition. They were removed from a pair of JBL L200 speakers that were purchased by my uncle. They have never been serviced or modified. They are complete. I have the matching woofers, horns, tweeters, and crossovers on auction as well so please check them out.


http://cgi.ebay.com/JBL-LX16-Crossover-units-Removed-from-L200_W0QQitemZ9736839320QQihZ008QQcategoryZ50597QQ ssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

from auction:
LX16 CROSSOVER UNITS PAIR
FULLY TESTED
PERFECT WORKING AND COSMETIC CONDITION
serial #'s 14209 & 14204
shipping to U.S. only
Hello and thank you for your interest. These units are in perfect condition. They function beautifully. They were removed from a pair of L200 STUDIO MASTER SPEAKERS. They are complete with mounting hardware. Please see my other auctions for Vintage JBL gear.

meestro
06-05-2006, 01:57 PM
I just won a D130 from eBay with the serial 503169. Most likely May of 1950?

http://i23.ebayimg.com/03/i/07/45/5f/95_1.JPG

glen
06-05-2006, 07:20 PM
I just won a D130 from eBay with the serial 503169. Most likely May of 1950?


That would be my best guess Mike, thanks for adding your info here.

Here is my current hypothesis for interpretation of date-code serial numbers on the "cut corners" labels of JBL components (not cabinets):

First type, date only:

last two digits of year with month in the format yym or yymm
JAMES B.LANSING SOUND INC., "name only" labels:
499 = September 1949 (D-175 & N-1000)
5002 = February 1950 (D-130B)

"no name" label:
5010 = October 1950 (D-130)
(The 5010 transitional label has no name and no address, but the layout of the "Model No.", "Impedance", "Serial No." type is the same as the earlier "name only" labels with a space between the "NO." and the following dash "-" that was eliminated when the address was added.)

"JAMES B.LANSING SOUND INC.", "LOS ANGELES, CALIF., MADE IN U.S.A." name and address labels:
5101 = January 1951 (D-175)

Second type, date and number:
last digit of year with month and suffix number in the format ymm## or ymm###, the suffix numbers increase irregulary over time, taking large jumps forward at different times on different components, but sometimes remaining unchanged for years.*

(N or No. were occasionally prefixed to serial numbers)
10613 = June 1951, suffix number 13 (D-130-E)
10615 = June 1951, suffix number 15 (D-130)
10822 = August 1951, suffix number 22 (D-175)
10840 = August 1951, suffix number 40 (N-1200)
N30474 = April 1953, suffix number 74 (175)
205132 = May 1952, suffix number 132 (D-130B
212147 = December 1952, suffix number 147 (D-130)
309169 = September 1953 suffix number 169 (D-131)
311147 = November 1953, suffix number 147 (N-1200)
404153 = April 1954, suffix number 153 (1217-1290 horn)
405169 = May 1954, suffix number 169 (130-A)
407169 = July 1954, suffix number 169 (D 130)
510511 = October 1955 suffix number 511 (D-130)**
512170 = December 1955, suffix number 170 (N1200)
608713 = August 1956, suffix number 713 (D 130)


Third type, date code with unique, consecutive suffix number:



*the 150-4 is exceptional regarding the suffix numbers, increasing at a rate that would seem to be too accelerated for manufacturing batches or design changes and which I believe represents a transitional numbering scheme that is the first instance where each driver received a unique suffix number tacked on to the date code:
311-342 = November 1953, suffix number 342 (150-4)
311-347 = November 1953, suffix number 347 (150-4)
411-711 = November 1954, suffix number 711 (150-4, 16 ohm unit should have been labelled "C")
502825 = February 1955, suffix number 825 (150-4C)



These 150-4 date-code serial numbers were the first to be hyphenated, probably to distinguish the different meaning of their suffix number. The only other hyphenated serial number I've found is on some 1217-1290s but there seems to be no significance to this since the "153" suffix is the same as other 1217-1290s.
The 375 driver introduced at about the same time as the 150-4 seems to have had consecutive serial numbers from the start. Maybe the date code scheme was maintained on the 150-4 because of the cast parts it shared with other cone drivers??

**510511 = could also be interpreted as May 1951 suffix number 11 (D-130) : But a later D130 labeled with serial number 608713 leads me to believe that at some point in 1955 D130s began to also be given unique serial numbers as the date code suffix like the 150-4s

And some anomalies:
32147 = February 1953 (N 1200):I believe this is just a typo, and was meant to be 302147

The only D123 with cut corners label I have seen has serial number 506. I think this may be a plain serial number like 375s from the same time. Like the 375 the D123 was a new and unique model that did not share parts with older models.

glen
06-07-2006, 12:06 AM
Seller furnished info from warranty envelope:
C50 cabinet model D50S7RWX
LE15A serial number 7899
LE85 serial number 5365
LX5 serial number 10455
HL91 serial number not supplied
PR15 serial number not supplied

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=9735891969&sspagename=ADME:B:AAQ:US:1

from auction:


100% AUTHENTIC JBL OLYMPUS C50 SPEAKER - ONE ONLY


THIS IS IN BEAUTIFUL CONDITION WOOD IS PERFECT NO SCRATCHES (WOOD IS ACTAULLY DARKER THAN PICTURED).
THIS IS LOCATED IN SAN DIEGO I WILL SHIP IN THE USA ONLY THIS IS TO HEAVY TO MAIL OVERSEAS.
I WILL CHARGE ACTUAL SHIPPING ONLY NO HANDLING FEE. I WILL PROBABLY USE FEDEX GROUND AS THIS IS THE MOST REASONABLE AND REALIABLE.

LE15A woofer (NEW FOAM), LX 5 Crossover & LE 85 driver with HL 91 Horn.

SUPERBEE
06-09-2006, 08:55 AM
The JBL L-200's are

Serial numbers 12256 And 12260


http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-11/1112667/DSCN2069.JPG

glen
06-09-2006, 09:15 AM
The JBL L-200's are

Serial numbers 12256 And 12260



A great addition to your collection!
Thanks for the serial numbers.
If you ever open them up please add the serial numbers of the components.
(Presuming these didn't have the brown envelopes stapled on the back with that info written in)

They look to be in fine condition too,
nice score!

SUPERBEE
06-09-2006, 05:17 PM
A great addition to your collection!
Thanks for the serial numbers.
If you ever open them up please add the serial numbers of the components.
(Presuming these didn't have the brown envelopes stapled on the back with that info written in)

They look to be in fine condition too,
nice score!

These are for a friend of mine. I wish I could keep everything.

Any idea how early/late in production these were?

Hofmannhp
06-10-2006, 03:08 AM
These are for a friend of mine. I wish I could keep everything.

Any idea how early/late in production these were?

Hi Kurtis,

thanks for the numbers.....like Glen wrote....when we know the driver numbers, we may find out the age.

HP

glen
06-14-2006, 12:56 AM
The JBL L-200's are

Serial numbers 12256 And 12260



Hi Superbee,

Not much help here. Closest cabinet serial numbers I have are 16292A and 16301A on L200s that the owner believed were purchased in 1973.

glen
06-14-2006, 01:16 AM
This cabinet with components is interesting since I thought the D1002 cabinet was discontinued around 1951 or 1952, replaced in the line-up by the C35 cabinet. But this cabinet contains drivers with the cast iron magnet pots from the mid 1950s

D-1002 cabinet, no serial number
130 A serial number 404169 (April 1954)
175 serial number N-40674 (June 1954)
1217-1290 serial number 403153 (March 1954)
N-1200 serial number 5003 on older "name only" cut corners label (March 1950)

in auction:
http://cgi.ebay.com/JBL-130A-175-N-1200-GRAY-JIM-LANSING-SIGNATURE-CABINET_W0QQitemZ9739057339QQcategoryZ50597QQrdZ1Q QcmdZViewItem

from auction description:
This was bought from a man who had known James Lansing personally. It might have been that this was a limited run of this system and only a few were made and he got one. Or something of that nature, But it is not confirmed.

tony winogrocki
06-19-2006, 06:47 PM
Seller furnished info from warranty envelope:
C50 cabinet model D50S7RWX
LE15A serial number 7899
LE85 serial number 5365
LX5 serial number 10455
HL91 serial number not supplied
PR15 serial number not supplied

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=9735891969&sspagename=ADME:B:AAQ:US:1

from auction:


100% AUTHENTIC JBL OLYMPUS C50 SPEAKER - ONE ONLY


THIS IS IN BEAUTIFUL CONDITION WOOD IS PERFECT NO SCRATCHES (WOOD IS ACTAULLY DARKER THAN PICTURED).
THIS IS LOCATED IN SAN DIEGO I WILL SHIP IN THE USA ONLY THIS IS TO HEAVY TO MAIL OVERSEAS.
I WILL CHARGE ACTUAL SHIPPING ONLY NO HANDLING FEE. I WILL PROBABLY USE FEDEX GROUND AS THIS IS THE MOST REASONABLE AND REALIABLE.

LE15A woofer (NEW FOAM), LX 5 Crossover & LE 85 driver with HL 91 Horn.





I'm the buyer of this speaker, the condition was exactly as stated. I have a very close match and plan to convert it to an S8R.
-tony

glen
06-20-2006, 12:23 AM
I'm the buyer of this speaker, the condition was exactly as stated. I have a very close match and plan to convert it to an S8R.
-tony

Congratulations Tony! Sounds like quite a prize to be in such nice condition.
As you do the conversion to S8R, it would be great if you could post the serial numbers of the horn, lens and passive radiator.

I hope it will bring you many years of enjoyment!
Glen

glen
06-20-2006, 12:41 AM
Claimed 1969 original purchase, seller has assembled a thorough website documenting these speakers


Here is all the serial number information:
Speaker cabinet serial number 11078
LE15A - 9633
PR15 - 10245
H93 - 10888
375 - 6668
L91 - 13589
N7000 - 6667
075 - 51677
LX5 - 12315

Speaker cabinet serial number 11083
LE15A - 9564
PR15 - 10247
H93 - 10844
375 - 6649
L91 - 13660
N7000 - 6658
075 - 51705
LX5 - 12299

listed in auction:
http://cgi.ebay.com/JBL-Sovereign-C60-S8R-Pair-In-Near-Mint-Condition_W0QQitemZ9744017547QQcategoryZ61377QQrdZ 1QQcmdZViewItem

from the auction:
The original owner purchased these in 1969, and he gave me the original sales receipt.

Hofmannhp
06-20-2006, 01:33 AM
Hi Glen,

thanks for your input.

Yesterday I had contact with Greg, who is a member of our nice forum....:applaud: .
He gave me all numbers for the registry.

HP

PS: Thanks again Greg

Greg Roberts
06-20-2006, 10:27 AM
Hi Glen,

thanks for your input.

Yesterday I had contact with Greg, who is a member of our nice forum....:applaud: .
He gave me all numbers for the registry.

HP

PS: Thanks again Greg

No problem HP, glad to be a part of your efforts.

Owning the C60's for this short time has been very enjoyable. I almost feel like a curator!

Greg

glen
06-21-2006, 10:43 PM
Seller says he has original sales receipt dated 03/01/62

Components:
130A Signature Speakers, serial numbers not supplied
275 serial number 885 and 886
N600 serial number 1722 and 1719

in auction:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=9743466536&sspagename=ADME:L:RTQ:US:1

from auction description:
This is the classic 'Metregon' Stereo Reproducer speaker system from "JBL". The speaker has had one owner all of these years, and it has been well cared for, and it works and sounds great. The entire front display has no scratches, and the color is still nice and bright. The top does show some fading on it, and a couple of ring marks on it, and can be brought back to life. The raised ring area trim around the top has a few small 1" type spots where the outer vaneer has chipped off, and they are only the on the outer vaneer, and do not go into the wood, and can easily be matched back up. The bottom fanned wood speaker grills are in perfect shape, with no chips or other damage, and the cloth over the speakers are in perfect shape as well, and is nice and tight. The edges all around the speaker are nice and clean, and are in great condition. It has all of the original components in it, the 2 JBL 130A Signature Speakers, the 2 JBL model 275 16ohm Drivers, Serial #s 885 & 886, and the N600 16ohm Dividing Networks, Serial #s 1722 & 1719. All of the components are in perfect condition, with no type of wear, and you could tell that the speaker had never been opened up. There is also a number of original Speaker Brochures and documents that came with it, and I'm including those in the auction as well. The previous owner told me that he remembered the day that it was delivered to him, and the original trucking delivery receipt is included as well. I have taken several photos to show the condition. It measures 73" by 25" by 31". It must be picked up in Huntington Beach, as I do not have a safe way for it to be shipped.

glen
06-24-2006, 12:59 AM
D123 serial number 69913
LE20 serial number 10596
LX2 serial number 6921

in auction:
http://cgi.ebay.com/3-PIECES-JBL-D123-Woofer-LE20-Tweeter-LX2-crossover_W0QQitemZ150001198256QQihZ005QQcategoryZ 50597QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

from auction description:
I removed all of these components from the same enclosure. The woofer and tweeter appear to be in great condition. The crossover is in good condition, with some surface wear to the knob and a patina on the metal parts that were exposed to the air. I have not tested these items, so I'm selling them "as described" If their appearance is any indication, they probably work fine, but there are no guarantees. The woofer has a serial number of 69913, and weighs about 9 pounds. The tweeter's serial is 10596 and weighs about 3 pounds. The crossover serial is 6921 and weighs about 2 pounds. These are 8ohm components.

glen
06-25-2006, 11:44 PM
D130 serial number 29742
075 serial number 20013
N2600 serial number 10587

I think the D130 is earlier than the 075/N2600 which may have been added later.

ebay auction:
http://cgi.ebay.com/JBL-SIGNATURE-D130-SPEAKER-075-TWEETER-N2600-XOVER_W0QQitemZ260001822992QQihZ016QQcategoryZ3284 QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

from auction description:
THREE (3) VINTAGE JBL SIGNATURE SERIES COMPONENTS: D130 SPEAKER, 075 TWEETER, and N2600 CROSS-OVER. WITH OR WITHOUT A CUSTOM HOME MADE BLOND SPEAKER CABINET.
The D130 15" JBL signature speaker is 16 ohms. It says on it "James B. Lansing Sound, in L.A. serial 29742".
The 075 Signature tweeter is 16 ohms with serial 20013 (I think, it is hard to read). It also says James B. Lansing on it.
The N2600 Hi Frequency attenuator is labled 16 & 32 ohms serial 10587.
The blond cabinet is very nice and does not have any major scratches or dings. The back of the cabinet fits very snug. Nice construction. It measures 35 1/2" long by 35 1/2" from floor to top and 15 7/8" wide. It has a shelf for a retro amp or receiver. I powered up the cabinet and the system sounds fine but I am selling these old components as is.

glen
06-26-2006, 09:00 AM
WOW!!

Greg has added a scan of the original October 29, 1969 sales receipt to his website documenting his C60/S8R speakers. (see attached image)
Thanks a lot Greg!
This kind of documentation is pure gold!

Glen


Claimed 1969 original purchase, seller has assembled a thorough website documenting these speakers


Here is all the serial number information:
Speaker cabinet serial number 11078
LE15A - 9633
PR15 - 10245
H93 - 10888
375 - 6668
L91 - 13589
N7000 - 6667
075 - 51677
LX5 - 12315

Speaker cabinet serial number 11083
LE15A - 9564
PR15 - 10247
H93 - 10844
375 - 6649
L91 - 13660
N7000 - 6658
075 - 51705
LX5 - 12299

listed in auction:
http://cgi.ebay.com/JBL-Sovereign-C60-S8R-Pair-In-Near-Mint-Condition_W0QQitemZ9744017547QQcategoryZ61377QQrdZ 1QQcmdZViewItem

from the auction:
The original owner purchased these in 1969, and he gave me the original sales receipt.

glen
07-04-2006, 08:17 PM
The earliest JBL compression drivers I have seen bear the same square "A Jim Lansing Signature Speaker" badge/logo/nameplate as the early cone drivers. The nameplate was placed on the side of their rolled and welded, smooth finish, magnet pot.
They did not have an applied label showing serial number or model.
The oldest square label shows the "San Marcos" location.
After the move to 4221 Lincoln Boulevard in Venice a square "A Jim Lansing Signature Speaker" with the "Venice" location was used.

The first model identifying label appears on a driver without any other label, badge or logo. It simply says "MODEL D-175" on a small rectangle of paper stuck on the side of the rolled and welded magnet pot. Maybe the original label fell off and the owner replaced it with this?

The earliest "cut corners" tag with spaces for "Model No.", "Impedance", and "Serial No.". and the "James B. Lansing Sound Inc.", name only, appearing at the bottom of the cut-corners tag. This tag first appeared in conjunction with the race-track oval shaped Venice, Calif. "Jim Lansing Signature Speaker" logo nameplate on the side of the rolled and welded magnet pot. It identifies the driver as "D-175" and lists a 16 ohm impedance but the "Serial No." area is left blank

The next version still had the cut corners "James B. Lansing Sound Inc." name only tag, but the oval race-track label was updated to the new "Van Nuys" location. The "Serial No." area is left blank on this driver as well, although the factory cabinet this came in did have a serial number D-1002 Serial No. 1090. This also came mounted on a later version of the H-1000 horn that only had the sound dampening sawdust-glue mixture applied to the backs of the mouths of the multicell horn, from the front mounting flange back to the horn throat the cells are bare, painted metal.

glen
07-04-2006, 10:27 PM
D-175 serial number 499 (September 1949)

This is the earliest serial numbered D-175 I've seen. This has the same Van Nuys race-track logo and cut-corners "name only" label on the side of the rolled and welded magnet pot.

September 1949 is the date of manufacture I infer according to the early non-suffix date code interpretation: The first two digits of the serial number representing the last two digits of the year and the next one, or two digits indicating the month (YYM or YYMM)

D-175 serial number 5101 (January 1951)

This is the second earliest serial numbered D-175 I have seen. While it still has the Van Nuys race-track logo it has the newer cut corners label with "Los Angeles, Calif. Made in U.S.A." at the bottom. The name, "James B. Lansing Sound inc." was moved to the top, and in between appear the same spaces for model, impedance and serial number. This change in the cut-corners label was probably a result of the 1949 move from Van Nuys to Fletcher Drive in Glendale, Ca.

glen
07-05-2006, 02:15 AM
The new Alvin Lustig designed JBL logo, with the "L" in Jim Lansing rendered in oversized flowing script had appeared in JBL advertising in 1950, and soon it appeared on the drivers as well.
The cleaner and bolder Logo was aided by the redesigned cut corners label that now displayed the address. The name, "James B. Lansing Sound inc." was moved to the top of the cut-corners label, and in it's place at the bottom appeared "Los Angeles, Calif. Made in U.S.A.". In between were the same spaces for model, impedance and serial number..

The first D-175 drivers with this labeling still had the rolled, welded magnet pots and were mounted to the later H-1000 multicell horns.

Also at this time someone decided to try and include more information in the serial number in the form of a numerical suffix. The first three digits of the serial number would be a simplified version of the original date-code, only the very last digit of the year was used, followed by two digits representing the month. Appended to this, sometimes separated by a hyphen, the suffix was initially a two digit number and later became a three digit number. A little later the date-code serial number was given a prefix “N”, “N-“, or “No” which seems redundant as it follows the “Serial No.” that was already printed on the cut corners label.


So far I have no good explanation of what the suffix represents, I think these things are true:
It only seems to increase in irregular increments.
It seems to change more often in the early life of a product but,
It may remain unchanged for years on a mature product.
It does not necessarily change when the product design changes
(Ex: didn’t change when the 175 switched from a welded to a cast magnet pot)
It does not change as often on a simple product.
(Ex: almost every date-code 1217-1290 horn has “153” for the suffix number).

I guess someone will have to ask John Eargle about this one.

D-175 serial number 10822 (August 1951, suffix number 22)

Almost immediately the big “L” logo decal was moved from the side of the magnet pot to the flat back of the compression driver, but the cut corners label continued it’s familiar place on the side of the magnet pot

D-175 serial number 11138 (November 1951, suffix number 38)

Then the “D” was dropped from the model number so it became simply 175

175 serial number 20442 (April 1952, suffix number 42)

1952 saw the introduction of the cast metal 1217-1290 horn

175 serial number N21074 (October 1952, suffix number 74)
175 serial number N30474 (April 1953, suffix number 74)

The next change for the 175 was from a welded to a cast magnet pot

175 serial number N30474 (April 1953, suffix number 74)
175 serial number 40274 (February 1954, suffix number 74)
175-34 serial number 40374 (March 1954, suffix number 74)*
*the 175-34 variant appears on a theatrical equipment pricelist
175 serial number 40474 (April 1954, suffix number 74)
175 serial number N-40674 (June 1954, suffix number 74)
175 serial number N-41074 (October 1954, suffix number 74)**
175 serial number N-41074 (October 1954, suffix number 74)**
175 serial number N-41174 (November 1954, suffix number 74)
175 serial number No50274 (February 1955, suffix number 74)**
175 serial number N-50274 (February 1955, suffix number 74)**
175 serial number N-50574 (May 1955, suffix number 74)

** date-code serial numbers are not unique, duplicates are sometimes seen

glen
07-06-2006, 12:16 AM
The engraved black/white plastic laminate nameplate was introduced around 1955. It featured an early version of the exclamation point logo with an "L" in the dot at the bottom of the exclamation point. "Jim Lansing" appeared to the left of the exclamation point, "signature" was to the right.
For the first time the serial numbers seem to be simply a sequential numbering system, possibly starting with 1000.

175 serial number 1391 (japan)
175 serial number 1393
175 serial number 1398
175 serial number 1482 (from system with December 1955 date code crossover)
175 serial number 2119 (claimed 1956)
175 serial number 2283 (from C34 with July 10, 1956 sales receipt)
175 serial number 2288 (japan)
175 serial number 2307
175 serial number 3672
175 serial number 4076
175 serial number 4237
175 serial number 4346
175 serial number 4368
175 serial number 4410
175 serial number 5379
175 serial number 5396
175 serial number 5805
175 serial number 6298
175 serial number 7001
175 serial number 7105
175 serial number 7116
175 serial number 7238
175 serial number 7289
175 serial number 7373

glen
07-07-2006, 10:00 PM
L100 cabinets serial number 29654 and 29655
123A-1 serial number 53561 and 53566
LE5-2 serial number 41285 and 41294
LE20-1 serial number 133444 and 133503

in four separate auctions:
http://cgi.ebay.com/Pair-of-Original-JBL-L100-Cabinets-Crossovers-XLNT_W0QQitemZ140005678775QQihZ004QQcategoryZ14991 QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

from auction description:
Succesive Serial Numbers #29654 & #29655.
Description


This is an excellent pair of JBL L100 cabinets The original style with the vertical array. All edges are SHARP and joints are tight. All of the sides look great with a few light scuffs. One flea nick on one bottom corner as seen in the photos. I have shown all of the sides including the bottoms in the photos to give you an excellent idea of how great these cabinets look. All crossovers and L-Pads are intact and function. All of the original grille pegs are intact. The Original JBL Push Spring terminals are present and work perfectly. An excellent pair of well maintained cabinets




http://cgi.ebay.com/Pair-of-JBL-123A-1-12-Woofers-from-Original-L100-MINT_W0QQitemZ140005671013QQihZ004QQcategoryZ3276Q QssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem


from auction description:
JBL 123A-1 12" WOOFERS

Description
An absolutely MINT, Fresh from the Factory in Appearance, Beautiful, Perfect pair of 123A-1 12" woofers removed from an equally MINT pair of JBL cabinets. Everything about these woofers looks museum quality. Cones, dust cap, surrounds, spider frame and emblem are all perfect! Serial numbers are super close #53561 and #53566. Removed from a matched pair of JBL L100s. The original red wax JBL seals are still intact.




http://cgi.ebay.com/Pair-of-JBL-LE5-2-Midranges-from-Original-L100-MINT_W0QQitemZ140005673325QQihZ004QQcategoryZ14991 QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem



from auction description:
JBL LE5-2 MIDRANGES
Description
An absolutely MINT, Fresh from the Factory in Appearance, Beautiful, Perfect pair of LE5-2 Midranges removed from an equally MINT pair of JBL cabinets. Everything about these midranges looks great. Cones, dust cap, surrounds, spider frame and emblem are all perfect! Serial numbers are super close #41285 and #412945. Removed from a matched pair of JBL L100s. The only minor "issue" with these mids is the fact that the previous owner lightly etched his ID number on the frame. It is extremely light and is hardly noticeable. I have tried to show this in the photos but it really is difficult to show. The original red wax JBL seals are still intact.






http://cgi.ebay.com/Pair-of-LE20-Tweeters-from-Original-L100-MINT_W0QQitemZ140005673623QQihZ004QQcategoryZ14991 QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem


from auction description:

JBL LE20 TWEETERS

Description

Removed from a pair of JBL L100 speakers. These are the original LE20-1 tweeters and are in absolutely MINT condition! Look, work and sound perfect.

glen
07-09-2006, 09:51 PM
4425 serial number 474233 and 474234

With their original shipping cartons dated November 15, 1989

in auction:
http://cgi.ebay.com/Pair-JBL-4425-Professional-Studio-Monitor-Speakers-NIB_W0QQitemZ320005634133QQihZ011QQcategoryZ50597Q QrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

from auction description:

You are bidding on a vintage pair of unused JBL Model 4425L Professional Studio Monitors!
Those of you looking probably already know that these are some of the most highly acclaimed Studio Monitors of all time!
I purchased these years ago at an auction of unused new equipment from a now-defunct New York City Cable TV News Station. The address labels of the Television Station are still on the original boxes!
The date stamped on both boxes are identical; November 15, 1989. (See pics)
Consecutive Serial Numbers: 474233 and 474234 (Serial Numbers are on each box, as well as on the back of each speaker!)
Affectionately known in the Industry as the 'Dolly Parton' or 'Baby Butt Cheeks' Monitors!
Includes the original boxes; all packing materials, Original Owners Brochures with complete descriptions and specs, as well as the warranty cards! (See pics)
200 Watts continuous program power capacity!!
Short term peak power 1KW!
The famous Dark Blue Grills!!
These babies weigh almost 60 pounds each - UNPACKED!
They are in ABSOLUTE PERFECT, NEW, MINT CONDITION!!!!! Never Used!! Not a scratch, dent or ding ANYWHERE!
I did take them out and test them a while back with my MARANTZ Model 2500 Receiver, and they shook the walls! AWESOME!!!
This type of monitors were used in some of the most famous music studios across the country to mix the hit records of the 80s and 90s!
I would prefer in-person pick-up of these rare classics to avoid any chance of them being damaged in transit. (I live on Florida's west coast, 1 hour north of Tampa)
However, I will DOUBLE BOX and pack them up for safe shipment if necessary. Due to their large size and heavy weight, they must be shipped separately.
I would also consider meeting someone 'half-way' if an arrangement could be worked out between us. Thank you, and good luck bidding! ~ Joe :)

Zilch
07-09-2006, 10:19 PM
ACK! Two lefts. Who is it here has the two rights? :p

tony winogrocki
07-11-2006, 07:09 PM
Congratulations Tony! Sounds like quite a prize to be in such nice condition.
As you do the conversion to S8R, it would be great if you could post the serial numbers of the horn, lens and passive radiator.

I hope it will bring you many years of enjoyment!
Glen

Thanks Glen,

Here are the rest of the serial numbers of the S7R Olympus and my other slightly newer one with an S8R minus the 075 and N7000, originally purchased in Dec. of 1967 at Pecar Electronics in Detroit. I believe the one with the S7R to be a year or two older and has the LX5 at the bottom of the cabinet, the other has it close to the top but otherwise they're a very close match. When I make changes or additions I'll post those numbers as well.

C50 Cabinet Model D50 S7R WX
Cabinet serial number 47390
LE15A - 7899
LX5 - 10455
LE85 - 5365
H91 - 11857
L91 - ?
PR15 - 11570

C50 Cabinet Model D50 S8R WX
Cabinet serial number 47783
LE15A - 10251
LX5 - 12581
375 - 7156
H93 - 11476
L91 - 11475
PR15 - 10651

glen
07-15-2006, 11:49 PM
Here are the rest of the serial numbers ...


Thanks very much for adding your system serial numbers to the thread Tony! This is great information that will help build a more complete picture of JBL history.

Much appreciated!

hmmmshai_hulud
07-16-2006, 01:51 PM
JBL Century L100's

Cab serials#: 16172
16176

LF: 35496
35425

MF: 26181
26109

HF: ? (will edit later)

will add photos later today. they have to be resized.

glen
07-16-2006, 04:58 PM
I believe it was around 1956/57 that the engraved black/white plastic laminate nameplate was updated to feature the new version of the exclamation point logo with "JBL" in the dot at the bottom of the exclamation point. "signature" moved from the right side of the exclamation point to the left, where "Jim Lansing" had been, and “speaker” now appeared to the right. The serial numbers continued uninterrupted over this change which occurred sometime between serial number 7373 (“L” “Jim Lansing signature” exclamation point) and 8860 (“JBL” “signature speaker” exclamation point).

175 serial number 8860
175 serial number 8872
175 serial number 8873
175 serial number 9217
175 serial number 9598
175 serial number 9880 (claimed late 60s, but I believe it is earlier)
175 serial number 9901
175 serial number 10032
175 serial number 10133
175 serial number 10167
175 serial number 10419 (claimed late 60s, but I believe it is earlier)
175 serial number 10471
175 serial number 10542
175 serial number 10726

glen
07-16-2006, 07:43 PM
The LE75 was introduced around 1960. It did not replace the original 175 which continued to be produced.
The LE75 was labeled in two forms with discontinuous numbering:
Early form was a decal with the model number and impedance typewritten, but a printed (or ink stamped?) serial number, same decal as on some crossovers and speaker systems of the same vintage.
Note that the decal says "signature sound" not "signature speaker".
All of these that I’ve seen have the script “L” pressed into the red wax seals.
LE75 serial number 3726
LE75 serial number 3736
LE75 serial number 3779


Later form was a gold foilcal with printed model number and stamped serial number.
This form starts with the script “L” pressed into the red wax seals, but by the end of the series have “JBL” pressed into the seals
LE75 serial number 1101
LE75 serial number 1105
LE75 serial number 1277

glen
07-16-2006, 09:09 PM
JBL Century L100's serials#

Thanks a lot hmmmshai!
Wonderful info with the pics and dated receipt!
Beautiful, thanks!

magus
07-18-2006, 09:10 PM
Not sure if this helps you with your database but it's an interesting pair and all the serial numbers are listed

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260009912103




JBL Custom ALNICO Speaker PAIR LE15A/LE85/L91/LX5

BEAUTIFUL pair of original James B Lansing Custom made speakers cabinets. Each custom cabinet contains a vintage JBL ALNICO LE15A 15" Linear Efficiency woofer, LE85 1" ALNICO compression driver, H91 Trumpet Horn, L91 Slant Plate Acoustic Lens, and a LX5 500Hz crossover. Each set of components is enclosed in custom made inner wood casements which than slide into original custom made outer cabinets.

These custom made Lansing cabinets have had only ONE owner who ALWAYS kept them in a controled envirorment. Original owner was a hardcore audiophile and had these custom built sparing no expense to create an amazing speaker system.

All the components are in SUPER CLEAN condition.

Please follow link for a FULL description, and PHOTOS


http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260009912103


http://i14.ebayimg.com/03/i/07/bc/0b/0e_1.JPG

http://i12.ebayimg.com/03/i/07/c3/88/71_1.JPG

http://i4.ebayimg.com/03/i/07/c1/20/35_1.JPG

glen
07-18-2006, 11:20 PM
Not sure if this helps you with your database but it's an interesting pair and all the serial numbers are listed


Nice stuff Magus!
It does help to have a set of component serial numbers for an entire original speaker system (S7 system in this case).
I include the serial numbers here because eventually the auction will go off-line:

LE15A serial number 9023 and 9029
LE85's serial number 6182 and 6266
H91 serial number 12507 and 12530
L91 serial number 13122 and 13119
LX5 serial number 11549 and 11559

The LX5 serial numbers fall between others I've seen that are believed to be from 1966 (10745 and 12798). So most likely all of these components are from 1966.

Thanks for your contribution Magus!

glen
07-20-2006, 12:06 AM
Seller claims these are from 1961

C38 cabinet serial number 33540 contains:
LE14A serial number 3428
LE20 serial number 6291
LX8 serial number 2116

C38 cabinet serial number 33541 contains:
LE14A serial number 3429
LE20 serial number 6293
LX8 serial number 2113

in auction:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=110010054400&indexURL=0&photoDisplayType=2#ebayphotohosting

from auction description:
These are the less common C38's from 1961 with the veneer wood and the metal feet, they are loaded with LE14a woofers and LE20 tweeters with LX8 crossovers...they are most likely entirely original and honestly show no signs of use or wear at all :) they are sometimes referred to as the "Baron".
These speakers are in amazing condition inside and out, they are from 1961 and appear to be entirely original and in nearly MINT condition!! please see picture collages below, they are very large and sound good although i did not crank them up because i only had modern equipment to test them with...
the cloth grilles have no rips or snags or pulls, the speakers themselves are amazingly flawless (no cracks on surrounds, no marks on the beautiful white surfaces at all..... the backs of them are also like new. (in the 2nd pic the one tweeter looks dirty on the back but it is not...that just shows how bad my camera is).
the cabinets are also in nearly perfect condition with NO damage except for what is noted on the 3rd pic which is a tiny surface nick and scratch and some rub marks from something white, the other one is basically flawless..... the feet are also in amazing condition and the wood where they attach is fine (they sometimes would weaken there over the years) the "rubmarks may come off easily...i did NOT clean them before i took the pics....this is just how amazing they have stayed after 45 years!
I DID NOT CLEAN THEM FOR THE PICTURES..... the cabinets are a little dusty but i did not want to make them look better than they are.... no need to really, they speak for themselves.
serial numbers on the cabinets are consecutive also and the one cab has the envelope attached to the back for the papers (i do not have the papers though).
They are huge, they are heavy..... shipping is going to be alot (2 packages with feet removed and each speaker wrapped inside a new blanket and shipped from a ups dropoff center, these are way too big for me to package here so shipping may be in excess of $150 i am guessing, any difference will be returned to high bidder.
You will NOT be dissappointed in these and may not ever find another pair in this kind of condition either, i know i was amazed when i aquired them and have been dealing in vintage audio equipment for over 10 years. good luck on these if You are bidding...the reserve is very modest for these speakers as well.

glen
07-20-2006, 10:41 PM
Seller claims this pair of S8R systems are from 1974 and he is the original owner. (I don't think the S8R system included the 077 until the 1979 S8R-2 system that also came with LE15-H woofers.)


components:

LE15A serial numbers unknown
PR15 serial numbers unknown
375 serial number 21670 and 21894
HL93 serial numbers unknown
LX5 serial number 30760 and 30761
077 serial number 30924 and 40156
N7000 serial numbers unknown

in ebay auction:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=120011599249&indexURL=3&photoDisplayType=2#ebayphotohosting

from auction description:
ALL speakers are in PERFECT WORKING condition!
These have always been in my climate controlled home (i.e. never stored and are from a smoke-free and pet-free home.
Each cabinet weighs approximately 150 lbs. and is 45 wide x 19 deep x 38 tall. My friends often refer to these as "THE BIG KAHUNAS". The midrange dispersion lens is easily removable as can be seen in the photo with the grill cloth removed. The lower section of the cabinet where the bass & passive radiator are present is air tight for proper performance. The voice coils are flat ribbon wire hand wound to get maximum density and capacity. The Alnico V magnets used in ALL the drivers produced 250% more energy than a comparable ferrite magnet. All components are precisely machined to achieve exacting sound reproduction.

The serial numbers are as follows:
2-(375) midrange drivers are: 21670 & 21894
2-LX5 cross over networks: 30760 & 30761
2-N7000 cross over networks no serial numbers visible on outside
2-077 high frequency drivers: 40156 & 30924


Getting into each lower cabinet where the LE15A bass speaker & PR15 passive radiators are located is difficult. I cannot disassemble the lower airtight cabinet without breaking seals. Each cabinet has the airtight back secured in position with 42-2" wood screws. The seam joints on the back - although a tight fit - were sealed with silicone rubber. The bass and passive radiator in each cabinet are front loaded, mounted with 8 machine screws & nuts supplied by JBL and sealed to the front baffle with the circular silicone gasket seal also supplied by JBL. I will not break these seals simply to get the serial numbers.


For years from its beginning through the 1970s, JBL built what the most knowledgeable audiophiles would consider the Rolls Royce of speakers. JBL was used in the finest recording studios because of the truly sound reproduction. They were and still are some of the most efficient speakers built.


These systems built in 1974 are still used as beautiful pieces of furniture. The cabinets are finished in gloss black walnut stain and are on casters. The cabinets are handed, that is mirror images of each other.


As the original owner of these, Im selling them simply to downsize and give someone else the opportunity to enjoy music at its best. They have served me well and I would put them up against any other similar size system for performance.

jandregg
07-21-2006, 02:57 AM
L91 46425 4-15-75
L91 46461 4-15-75
H91 37108 4-15-75
H91 37107 4-15-75
LE85 29580 4-15-75
LE85 29586 4-15-75
075 105709 4-15-75
075 105690 4-15-75
LE15A 29149 4-15-75
LE15A 28512 4-01-75
N7000 33128 3-22-78
N7000 33158 3-22-78
LE8T 48885 3-09-93

glen
07-22-2006, 12:08 AM
dates and serial no

Thanks for all the serial numbers with dates jandregg
Great Info!

stillgroen
07-22-2006, 07:00 AM
JBL L300 - All original
Purchased in Okinawa, December, 1977
Re-coned in 2000
Purchased from original owner - June, 2006
Serial number: 17228
17229

Fred Sanford
07-23-2006, 06:18 AM
Hello All- not sure if this is any help, but I had done a quick inventory (serial #s, but don't know any dates) recently for insurance and to-do-list purposes, but I can't seem to find a way to fly in the Excel spreadsheet format. Any advice, other than re-typing the whole lot?



Thanks,

je

Fred Sanford
07-24-2006, 09:45 AM
It's ugly, but a bunch of the serial # info's here if you dig. No dates, sorry.


Model Type Serial # Notes Condition
2135 "15"" driver" 4278 Re-coned 1985
2405 UHF transducer 30092 4333A component
2405 UHF transducer 30096 4333A component
2420 Compression driver 4333A component
2420 Compression driver 4333A component
035Ti Tweeter New in box
2213H "12"" woofer" 229413 L100 component Repaired, may need re-cone
2213H "12"" woofer" 233130 L100 component Repaired, may need re-cone
2231A "15"" woofer" 7038 4333A component Re-foamed 2006
2231A "15"" woofer" 24103 4333A component Re-foamed 2006
4333A "15"" 3way" 10070 Cab & x-over Re-finished cabs
4333A "15"" 3way" 10072 Cab & x-over Re-finished cabs
E120 "12"" driver" In CV cabinet Need to reinforce backs
E120 "12"" driver" In CV cabinet Need to reinforce backs
E140 "15"" driver" In SG cabinet Re-coned 1985
L100 "12"" 3way" 136205A Cab & x-over No Grilles
L100 "12"" 3way" 136224A Cab & x-over No Grilles
L110 "10"" 3way" 31973 Vifa woofer No Grilles, scratched cabs
L110 "10"" 3way" 33053 Vifa woofer No Grilles, scratched cabs
L46 "8"" 2way" 48433 Dirty
L46 "8"" 2way" 48434 Dirty
L46 "8"" 2way" 48441 Dirty
L46 "8"" 2way" 48442 Dirty
L46 "8"" 2way" 53344 Re-foamed Woofer 2006
L46 "8"" 2way" 53348 Re-foamed Woofer 2006
LE-25 Tweeter L100 component Needs re-cone
LE-25 Tweeter L100 component Needs re-cone
LE5-12 "5"" midrange" 2582 L100 component Dust cap repaired
LE5-12 "5"" midrange" J608-05270 L100 component New in box
TR225 "2 x 15"" quasi-3way" Damaged cabinets
TR225 "2 x 15"" quasi-3way" Damaged cabinets

glen
07-24-2006, 10:50 PM
a bunch of the serial # info's here if you dig

Thanks for lots of info Fred!
Are the 4333A components original to the 4333A cabinets you listed?
It would be extra helpful if you could match any of your components to their original cabinet serial numbers if you know that info.

Thanks for your input!

Fred Sanford
07-25-2006, 04:19 AM
As far as I can tell, all but one of the woofers were original to the 4333s. These were in Clive Davis' office/listening room at Arista Records- my company removed them at some point for upgrades, so I don't know the whole history.

The L100 components listed are piecemeal from various sources (in fact, I think they're not exact spec, right? The woofers are a later model).

Thanks,

je

glen
07-26-2006, 08:42 PM
Seller has original boxes he says are stamped with the date January 23, 1974.

C50 cabinets serial number 50536 and 50537
LE15A serial number 25184 and 25185
LE85 serial number 23064 and 23066
H91 horns serial number 30490 and 30500
L91 lenses serial number 37923 and 38070
LX5 no serial numbers listed
PR15 no serial numbers listed

in ebay auction:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=230011470917&sspagename=ADME:L:RTQ:US:1

from auction description:
A great pair of olympus speakers c50 s507 in walnut.The speakers are in there original shipping boxes from jbl.They are concutive numbered and a right and left mirror image. S7 system .. Which is a le15a ,pr15 ,le85 ,h91, l91 , lx5. Made on 23 jan. 1974. Serial numbers are 50536 and 50537.The le15a speakers have new foam edges and original cones # 21513 on both. serail numbers are 25184 and 25185. dcr values are 9.4 ohm and 9.2 ohm.The le85 drivers still have red jbl seals intact and sound perfect !serial numbers are 23064 and 23066.dcr value is 6.4 and 6.3 ohms.l91 lens are perfect in everyway ! serial #'s 38070 ,37923.h91 horns #'s are 30500 and 30490.The cabinets have no dings on the c-50's all conners are perfect !The tops have some small straches that could be rubbed out !The grills are not broken or damaged ,but there is an area with a stain that could be touched up.All original unmessed with. .I have original paper .

glen
07-26-2006, 11:07 PM
C31 system in factory cabinet (Jim Lansing decal) ebay auction:

130B serial number 308140 (two woofers, both with same serial number)
175 serial number not listed
1217-1290 horn serial number 306-121
N1200 serial number 306147

This system would have been manufactured in August of 1953 by my current interpretation of the date-code serial numbers on these components/

in ebay auction:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=280010680193&sspagename=ADME:L:RTQ:US:1

from auction description:
you are bidding on a extremely rare JBL JIM LANCING speaker. this is a SINGLE unit. features 2 - 15" woofers, 32 ohms, matching serial numbers. the cabinet is in fantastic shape. this speaker is huge and is very heavy. this is the one only only time i prefer local pick up. I WILL NOT PACK OR SHIP THIS ITEM. if you are not in the vancouver, canada area and you still want to buy this JBL, you MUST ARRANGE YOUR OWN PICK UP.
however if you only want the components, those i will ship.
Q:Hi Phatstereo, Can you please tell me the serial numbers on the hor, driver and upper woofer in this rare vintage speaker? Thanks and good luck with your auction! Glen
A:hello, the serial # of the horn is 306-121, model 127-1290. the serial # of the 2 woofers are identical 308140. you cannot get a better match than that. thanks, phats

glen
07-27-2006, 12:00 AM
Seller supplied serial numbers

150-4C serial number 10884 and 10915
375 serial number 1962 and 2008
N500H serial number 703 (other N500H is missing label)

The relatively close serial numbers of these cabinets with matching finish and grill cloth indicate they may have been bought as an early stereo pair?
(my best guess at the date from the serial numbers is about 1957-60)

in ebay auction:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=140011686715&sspagename=ADME:L:RTQ:US:1

from auction description:
Up for your consideration are a magnificent pair of Jbl Hartsfields. They consist of 375 high frequecy compression drivers and 150-4c bass drivers, all four in original unmolested condition with red seals intact. Please contact me if you would like additonal information. I bought these recently for my listening room but they are just too big for my living space. These are in good condition with black laquer and silver grill cloth. One of the speakers needs the plinth repaired which is an easy fix and the grill cloth is a little loose on this ons as well. Again an easy fix. I will crate these for 200.00 and work with the buyer to figure out the best way to ship. These do have to be picked up by a frieght company as they are too large for me to deal with. These are about 250 pounds each for an estimated 800 lbs
Q:Hi ChevyChevelle1965, Wow! What magnificent speakers! Can you please tell me the serial numbers of the drivers and crossovers in them? Thanks and good luck with your auction! Glen
A:Sorry for they delay Glen. I had to take the backs off. The 375's are 1962 and 2008. The 150-4c are 10915 and 10884. One N500H is missing the label and the other serial number is 703.

glen
07-27-2006, 01:53 AM
C49 Dales with S5 system:

LE10 serial number 4360 and 4361
LE30 serial number 1812 and 1823
LX3 crossovers serial number 3799 and 3800

in ebay auction:
http://cgi.ebay.com/JBL-C49-DALE-SPEAKERS-w-S5-SYSTEMS-LE30-LE10-LX3-PAIR_W0QQitemZ230011612332QQihZ013QQcategoryZ50597 QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

from auction description:
*** GORGEOUS PAIR OF ORIGINAL JBL C49 DALE SPEAKERS ***
***** with S5 SYSTEMS LE30 TWEETERS/LE10 WOOFERS/LX3 NETWORKS ***** ***** MIRROR IMAGED DESIGN *****

You are bidding on an original pair of VERY RARE JBL C49 Dale speakers that utilize S5 systems that consist of LE30 tweeters, LE10 woofers & LX3 crossovers. The famous JBL MINIGON speakers use these exact S5 systems as well.
Both LE30 aluminum domes and LE10 domes are a little uneven and both LE10 woofers need new surrounds, but all drivers work fine. DC Resistances are 6.0 ohms/6.1 ohms for the LE30 tweeters and 5.3 ohms/5.4 ohms for the LE10 woofers. Serial numbers for LE30 tweeters are #1812 & 1823. LE10 woofers have consecutive serial numbers #4360 & 4361 so as the LX3 crossovers #3799 & 3800. These speakers are ALL ORIGINAL. The cabinets stand 23-3/4" tall, 11" wide, and 11-5/8" deep. The cabinets are in very good condition for their age except one large dent on one speaker's front edge which can be easily restored. The original grills are in nice shape except the badges are missing. The hanging latches on the back can either be mounted on the right side or left side. The front of these speaker cabinet design was genious. They are not symmetrical, they are mirror imaged (see pictures below).

glen
08-04-2006, 07:38 PM
D130 serial number 87711 in it's original box dated November 9, 1972

glen
08-04-2006, 10:44 PM
C60 serial number 10710 containing
LE15A serial number 13921
375 serial number 9211
LX5 serial number 29096*
H93 serial number 12166
L91 serial number not present
075 serial number 4289*
N7000 serial number not supplied
PR15 serial number 12754
*these serial numbers do not seem to be contemporary with the rest, the LX5 being later, and the 075 earlier, than the other components

C60 serial number 10711 containing
LE15A serial number 13924
375 serial number 9207
LX5 serial number 16275
H93 serial number 12167
L91 serial number 17755
075 serial number 61088
N7000 serial number not supplied
PR15 serial number 12757


in auction:
http://cgi.ebay.com/JBL-C60-S8R-Sovereign-Pair-LE15A-375-LX5-075-H93-L91_W0QQitemZ280014818535QQihZ018QQcategoryZ64612Q QrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

from auction description:
This is a pair of JBL S8R C60's. Complete w/ no missing pieces. Issues are: Although both LE15A's appear to have been re coned (2-17-92 & 2-20-92), the foam surrounds have begun to deteriorate, & need to be replaced again (a cheap, easy fix). One cabinet, besides having normal paint wear, and scratches, has a large gash in the front molding. This occurred before i had them, and I don't know how it happened. One L91 is missing its badge. The 375's still have seven of eight Red Wax "JBL" seals. Each 075 has 3 of 4 Red Wax "JBL" seals.The grills are clean with no rips or tears. They came with glass to cover the tops of the cabs, which look to be original to me because of a small, round undulation in the wood (and the marked remains of 7 others) at the corners; as if to hold glass slightly above the surface. The Cabinets are paired serial #'s. The 375's and the speakers are very close in serial #s. Because of their size and weight, these are available for pickup or personal delivery up to or around 300 miles from Downtown Sacramento, California for an average price of gas round-trip.

Cabinet Serial Number 10711
LE15A....13924
PR15.....12757
H93......12167
375......9207
L91......17755
075......61088
LX5......16275
Cabinet Serial Number 10710
LE15A....13921
PR15.....12754
H93......12166
375......9211
L91......no badge
075......4289
LX5......29096

glen
08-06-2006, 02:12 AM
Identified by seller as D34001 system being offered in four different auctions.

From the date-code serial numbers the components were apparently assembled in February & March of 1955.

C34 style cabinet (no Lansing decal or label visible in pics)
130A serial number 503169
175 serial number N-50274
1217-1290 serial number 503-153
N1200 serial number 502170


cabinet in auction:
http://cgi.ebay.com/JIM-LANSING-C-34-Large-Vintage-Speaker-Corner-Cabinet_W0QQitemZ250013888672QQihZ015QQcategoryZ50 597QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

from auction description:
I have had many of these C-34 cabinets through the years, they have always been one of my favorites. They sound great and look even better, I've been impressed with the build quality and design. The wood is extremely thick and they are built very rigid. This auction is for one cabinet only, NO drivers or crossover, however I do have them on ebay. The cabinet is in very nice condition, grille has NO holes or tears, just has a few faint stain spots. I did not try to clean it. Wood has NO bad cracks, broken corners, bad gouges, deep scratches, etc. Does have many small light scratches and some small chips. On the back panel just below the crossover cut out is masking tape residue. The previous owner taped the speaker cable to the back panel.

130A woofer in auction:
http://cgi.ebay.com/Rare-Early-Vintage-JIM-LANSING-Model-130A-Woofer-15_W0QQitemZ250013487292QQihZ015QQcategoryZ50597QQ ssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

from auction description:
This is a rare early Vintage JAMES B. LANSING SOUND INC 15" speaker model 130A, it is 16 ohms serial #503-169. This speaker was used in a C-34 enclosure with the N-1200 crossover, & 175 Tweeter, all are being made available on ebay. Stamped on the cone is 130 202. hand written in white is #5. Magnet cover and frame are in beautiful condition and very clean. The cone also very clean with NO holes, tears, dents, etc. Under very bright light and close inspection of the surround I noticed 3 tiny cracks that do not affect performance. This speaker was still in use and I was able to hear it before acquiring it. It sounded great, bass was deep and sound was clean and undistorted. There are many excellent rubber adhesives that can be used on the surround to keep it in its beautiful original condition.

175 driver and 1217-1290 horn in auction:
http://cgi.ebay.com/Early-Vintage-JIM-LANSING-175-Driver-1217-1290-Horn_W0QQitemZ250013468967QQihZ015QQcategoryZ50597 QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

from auction description:
This is a very early vintage JAMES B LANSING SOUND INC high frequency driver and horn lens assembly. Driver model #175 serial no. N-50274. 16 ohms. Horn model #1217-1290. Everything is in wonderful condition, NO dents, scratches, rust, etc, just has mild wear. I listened to this speaker before acquiring it, it was still in use, and being used with a low powered receiver, the model number of the speaker that this was part of is D-34001. Consisting of this model 175, C-34 cabinet, D-130A & N-1200 crossover. All of these are being made available on ebay, and like this driver/horn, all work perfectly.

N1200 crossover in auction:
http://cgi.ebay.com/Early-Vintage-JIM-LANSING-N-1200-Crossover-16-Ohms_W0QQitemZ250013473091QQihZ015QQcategoryZ50597 QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

from auction description:
This is a very early original vintage JAMES B. LANSING SOUND model N-1200 speaker crossover. It is a 2 way with 3 position H.F. Gain control, inputs and outputs are attached by means of a very strong screw and spacer. Serial # is 502170, this crossover is 16 ohms, and was used in a C-34 enclosure along with D-130 & 175 that are also being made available. It is in the best condition, and is very clean.

glen
08-14-2006, 09:54 AM
I believe this particular set of components was offered as System 20-1 in 1979.

Consisting of:
LE15H serial number 11143 and 11150
LE85 serial number 61614 and 61615
LX13 serial number 5991 and 5856
077 serial number 104965 and 10498
N8000 serial number 3747 and 3748
H92 serial number 10477 and 10105
L91 serial number 82006 and 82306

in ebay auction:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=180017093204&sspagename=ADME:L:RTQ:US:1

from auction description:
This combination of JBL drivers was from the very rare S20-1 home builders package. This system is very similar to the factory build L300 but will allow even higher system sensitivity, perfect for use with low power tube amplifiers. This auction includes 2xLE15H, 2xLE85, 2xH92, 2xL91, 2x077, 2xLX13, and 2xN8000. No cabinets are included in this auction. All drivers have intact foil cals and are in excellent working order. Included in this system is a pair of LE15H woofers. These woofers were used in the Urei 813 as well as the last production years of the JBL Paragon. They will work in bass reflex or horn enclosures. The foam surrounds on these woofers was replaced in August 2006. The LE85 compression drivers have consecutive serial numbers 61614, 61615 and are in perfect working condition. These compression drivers were also used in the L300 and L200 systems. The H92 horns have serial numbers 10477 and 10105. These horns can also be used in an L300. The L91 lenses are in good condition, however, one has a crack in one vane and another has a small section that has broken off of one vane. Serial numbers are 82006, 82306. The 077 supertweeters are very rare and are also in excellent condition with serial numbers 104965 and 104981. The crossovers include two LX13 800Hz crossovers and two N8000 crossovers for the 077 super tweeters. The S20-1 kit can be built into either a 5 or an 8 cubic foot cabinet. The LE15H woofer has higher sensitivity than the 2231 model used in the L300 but requires a larger cabinet to produce deep bass. It uses a very deep 19mm gap for low distortion and high efficiency. I can provide layout for either of the JBL cabinets. If this system does not sell in this auction the individual parts will be sold separately. If you want to own this rare and unique set of drivers buy them now.

glen
08-15-2006, 10:51 PM
001 system components in three different ebay auctions

130A serial number
175 serial number
1217-1290 serial number
N1200 serial number

Although the seller says this system was pulled from a 1960s cabinet I believe it is from the late 1950s (note "L" exclamation point logo on 175 driver)

130A in auction:
http://cgi.ebay.com/Vintage-James-B-Lansing-JBL-130A-15-Speaker_W0QQitemZ280018391960QQihZ018QQcategoryZ50 597QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

from auction description:
You are bidding on a vintage James B. Lansing 130A 15" speaker in very good condition. This is a recent pull from a '60s era JBL cabinet. The paint and label are in almost new condition. The cone has no rips or tears and this speaker sounds awesome. Tested and ready to go. No reserve.
16 ohm
serial #13264
See my other auctions for the N1200 dividing network and the 175 driver with1217-1290 horn from this cabinet.


175 and 1217-1290 in auction:
http://cgi.ebay.com/Vintage-James-B-Lansing-175-Driver-with-1217-1290-Horn_W0QQitemZ280018396907QQihZ018QQcategoryZ50597 QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

from auction description:
You are bidding on a vintage James B. Lansing JBL 175 driver with 1217-1290 horn attached in very good condition. This is a recent pull from a '60s era JBL cabinet. The paint and label are in almost new condition. This driver sounds awesome. Tested and ready to go. No reserve.
16 ohm
serial #5185 driver
serial #2927 horn
See my other auctions for the N1200 dividing network and the 130A 15" speaker from this cabinet.


N1200 in auction:
http://cgi.ebay.com/Vintage-James-B-Lansing-JBL-N1200-Crossover_W0QQitemZ280018386345QQihZ018QQcategoryZ 50597QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

from auction description:
You are bidding on a vintage James B. Lansing N1200 dividing network in very good condition. This is a recent pull from a '60s era JBL cabinet.
16 ohm
serial #2929
See my other auctions for the 130A 15" speaker and the 175 driver with1217-1290 horn from this cabinet.

glen
08-16-2006, 10:43 PM
The original 175 was not discontinued when the LE75 was introduced around 1960 and continued to be produced.
I dont know what difference there was between the 175 and the LE75 (besides the LE75s blue paint job and slightly higher price).
Sometime during this overlapping period the 175 switched from the old engraved plastic label to the black and silver foilcal still with the JBL exclamation point
This was presumably about this same time that the LE75s label switched from the early decal with the model number and impedance typewritten with a printed (or ink stamped?) serial number to a gold foilcal with printed model number and the serial number stamped (debossed) into the metal foilcal.
By serial number 15007 at the latest the wax seal had also switched from the script L to the JBL stamp.
175 drivers with the black and silver foilcal:

175 serial number 11405
175 serial number 11721
175 serial number 15007
175 serial number 15178
175 serial number 17912
175 serial number 17956

glen
08-17-2006, 01:14 AM
Whatever the differences were between the 175 and the LE75 they must have been too minor to merit continued production of two different versions of the smallest compression driver and JBL replaced them with the LE175.
The new LE175 would inherit the same style black and silver foilcal with the JBL exclamation point used on the last 175s, but the serial numbers would not continue either the 175 or LE75 numbering, The LE175 serial numbers begin lower than the end point of prior drivers numbering, possibly commencing with 1000 since Ive never seen a 3-digit serial number on an LE175.

The earliest serial numbers of a new model or revised labeling often reveal a bumpy transition, and this is reflected in the first LE175 nameplates as well.
This may have been compounded because this was also the time chosen to change the impedance rating on the drivers which had previously been listed at 16 ohms on the label.

LE175 serial number 1034 claimed1963
This has a black foilcal with a debossed model number
and does not even have a place to show the impedance rating.
In fact the foilcal looks like those used on some horns, lenses and crossovers.
LE175 serial number 1638 has a printed model number,
and impedance is listed as 8-16 ohms


Then JBL seemed to settle on an 8 ohm impedance and the run of the classic version of this driver began in earnest:

LE175 serial number 5479
LE175 serial number 6600
LE175 serial number 6665
LE175 serial number 7469
LE175 serial number 7470
LE175 serial number 10145
LE175 serial number 10161
LE175 serial number 10220
LE175 serial number 10235
LE175 serial number 10595
LE175 serial number 10595
LE175 serial number 10605
LE175 serial number 10605
LE175 serial number 13465
LE175 serial number 13675
LE175 serial number 15835
LE175 serial number 15855
LE175 serial number 22071* japan
LE175 serial number 27027 japan
LE175 serial number 27369
LE175 serial number 27646 japan
LE175 serial number 28445
LE175 serial number 31132 japan
LE175 serial number 36021
LE175 serial number 36174
LE175 serial number 37202** japan
LE175 serial number 38971 japan
LE175 serial number 38985 japan
LE175 serial number 39877 japan
LE175 serial number 40018 japan
LE175 serial number 40025 japan

*Most of the LE175s after around serial number 22000 are in Japan, which I would take to mean that JBL was still distributing these overseas even as they gave up on marketing home components in the US.
**And the later LE175s (after 37000 or so) seem to no longer have the wax seals.

glen
08-17-2006, 02:09 AM
For the venerable LE175 the long and winding road ended in Northridge, California. After JBLs 1976 move to the Nortridge facilities where they remain today they redesigned the foilcal again. The last few LE175s, which Ive found only in Japan, display the Northridge foilcal but continue the serial numbering sequence from the classic black and silver foilcals.
All in all not a bad run for this unassuming little driver that Jim Lansing designed and built in his barn and survived to be built on the assembly lines at Northridge in a form essentially unchaged from the days when he crafted it with his own hands. And some would argue that the 175 was THE key component that made possible the revolution in home audio that Lansing dreamed of.

LE175 41255 japan
LE175 41427 japan
LE175 42464 japan

glen
08-19-2006, 02:24 AM
C60 sovereign with S8R systems, very nicely described on ebay:
C60 cabinet serial number 12312 and 12313
LE15A serial number 26929 and 26927
375 serial number 17978 and 17976
LX5 serial number 27302 and 27300
075 serial number 99953 and 99969
N7000 serial number 20260 and 20300
PR15 serial number 19867 and 19875
H93 serial number 17819 and 17820
L91 serial number 41789 and 41692

in auction:
http://cgi.ebay.com/JBL-C60-S8R-Sovereign-Pair-LE15A-375-LX5-075-H93-L91_W0QQitemZ220018635844QQihZ012QQcategoryZ64612Q QrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

from auction description:
This is a pair of JBL S8R C60's. Complete w/ no missing pieces. Issues are: both LE15A's foam surrounds have begun to deteriorate,(as can be seen in the pic) & need to be replaced (a cheap, easy fix) Both cabinets are in very good condition, with just some minor edge wear, there are no deep scratches or gouges. The 375's still have all of the Red Wax "JBL" seals. The 075's have all of the Red Wax "JBL" seals. The grills are clean with no rips or tears. The Cabinets are paired serial #'s. The 375's and the speakers are very close in serial #s. Drivers are tested and work fine. Have not tested crossovers. Because of their size and weight, these are available for pickup or personal delivery up to or around 300 miles from Durham, NC for an average price of gas round-trip. Auction winner gets all components and cabinet. You do not have to take the cabinets if you don't want the trouble of shipping and handling them, as they are large and heavy. I WILL NOT SHIP THE CABINETS INTERNATIONALY. I will ship the components internationaly. This means if you are not in the U.S., auction is for components only. Thank you, and good luck. Cabinet Serial Number........12312
LE15A..woofer................26929 is 8 ohm
PR15....passive radiator.....19867
H93......midrange horn.......17819
375.......midrange driver.....17978 is 16 ohm
L91.......midrange lens........41789
075.......tweeter...............99953 is 8 ohm
LX5......crossover..............27302
N7000..crossover..............20260
Cabinet Serial Number.........12313
LE15A..woofer..................26927 is 8 ohm
PR15....passive radiator......19875
H93......midrange horn........17820
375.......midrange driver......17976 is 16 ohm
L91.......midrange lens........41692
075.......tweeter...............99969 is 8 ohm
LX5.......crossover.............27300
N7000...crossover.............20300

glen
08-21-2006, 01:00 AM
I recently got a private message from LH member Rudy Kleimann wondering if I had mis-read the serial number of an L100 auctioned on ebay a few months back. The speaker auction included the original, dated sales receipt from 1-19-1978 making it a rare bird indeed, and important to try and get right.

In fact the serial numbers were mis-identified, they actually are:
L100A serial number 288639A and 288640A

The new owner of these speakers kindly confirmed that the serial numbers of the speakers are288639 and 288640.

Besides addressing this question I should also correct the link to the ebay auction from my original post. The auction was at:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=9731343418&sspagename=ADME:L:RTQ:US:1
(I must've been tired when I did the original posting because I included a link to the email I received from the ebay seller, not a link to the ebay auction) My original post about this speaker is at:
http://audioheritage.org/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=112913&postcount=133

When I originally contacted the seller to get the date of the receipt and the serial numbers I got the following reply:
"The invoice receipt is dated 1-19-78. The speakers are already boxed up, but I can see one of the serial numbers in the pictures. It looks like 280639. Thanks for the interest & have a great day."

The member that contacted me thought that the number looked more like 288639A than 280639A. (I did not note in my original post that I was using the serial number as supplied by the seller)

When I first looked at the ebay auction I also thought that the L100 serial number in the picture was 288639A. But when the seller emailed me that he interpreted the serial number as 280639A from the same photograph posted in the auction I deferred to his identification.


Thanks for catching the mistake Rudy!

Glen




L100 serial number 280639A

Seller says original receipt is dated 1-19-1978

In ebay auction:
http://us.f356.mail.yahoo.com/ym/ShowLetter?MsgId=8285_4588226_3375_2029_10708_0_22 690_41122_63210945&Idx=6&YY=12895&inc=25&order=down&sort=date&pos=0&view=&head=&box=Inbox


from the auction:
These have been tested & sound AWESOME. They have been owned by the same audiophile owner since original purchase in 1978. He has kept TREMENDOUS & OUTSTANDING care of these babies. He has all of the paperwork, including instruction manual. He even has the original boxes & packing foam!

glen
08-21-2006, 03:21 AM
L100A's believed to have been purchased in late 1973 or early 1974

L100A serial number 121125A and 121991A

glen
08-21-2006, 10:43 PM
L200 serial number 15604 and 15637
LE15B serial number 10294 and 10298
LE85 serial number 13033 and 13055

in ebay auction:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320018130343&sspagename=ADME:L:RTQ:US:1

from auction descripition:
Best condition L200 I've seen. No swollen pressboard. No water rings or cigarette burns on the veneer.
Foam on grilles has deteriorated as always happens with .these. I've left it off in favor of basic screened grilles [Included but not pictured ].I didn't want to add any non-original grille cloth. grille cloth can easily be app;ied to screens.
There is a tiny imperfection in one of the cones [see close-up] I hesitate to call it a tear because it doesn't penetrate through the cone.There are clever ways to repair this if you think it's necessary.I would't bother.
Local pickup is preferred.However I will take them to a shipper of your choice in the Bay Area at no cost and just pass on crating and shipping fees..
Serial numbers are close
Cabinets 15604 15637
Le15Bs 10294 10298
Le85s 13033 13055

glen
08-21-2006, 11:09 PM
In four different auctions

L100 serial number 156839A and 157423A
123A-1 serial number 215206 and 216361
LE5-2 serial number 171336 and 176607
LE25 no serial numbers

cabinets in auction:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=300018898320&sspagename=ADME:L:RTQ:US:1

from auction description:
Selling a pair of JBL L100 Century cabinets. I took them apart to sell them separately. The cabinets are in good condition overall. These are vintage cabinets, so expect minor random scratches and nicks. They still come with the crossovers, and inside paddings. They crossovers may have some minor statics, but I am not sure. On the back, one of the speaker plugs is loose. Please check the pictures for the actual item.
All sales are final.
Selling AS-IS.

woofers in auction:
http://cgi.ebay.com/PAIR-OF-JBL-123A-1-DRIVERS-ALNICO-ORIGINAL-L100-GREAT_W0QQitemZ300018912297QQihZ020QQcategoryZ5059 7QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

from auction description:
Selling a pair of JBL 123A-1 Signature Speakers. They are the subwoofer driver. I pulled them from a working L100 spakers. The condition are great. They work perfect and sound is superb. The surround is still original condition. I believe they are alnico. They look in great shape.
Serial: 216361, 215206
All sales are final.
Selling AS-IS.


midranges in auction:
http://cgi.ebay.com/PAIR-OF-JBL-LE-5-2-LINEAR-EFFICIENCY-MIDRANGE-GREAT-NR_W0QQitemZ300019188697QQihZ020QQcategoryZ50597QQ ssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

from auction description:
Selling a pair of JBL LE 5-2 Linear Efficiency midrange drivers. They were taken from my JBL L100 speakers. These drivers work perfect, and they are in great vintage shape. They are very clean overall. Sound is superb, and they have a killer look.
Serial: 171336 , 176607
All sales are final.
Selling AS-IS.

tweeters in auction:
http://cgi.ebay.com/PAIR-JBL-LE-25-LE25-TWEETER-DRIVERS-FROM-L100-L-K-NR_W0QQitemZ300019188674QQihZ020QQcategoryZ50597QQ ssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

from auction description:
Selling a pair of JBL LE-25 tweeters. They were taken from JBL L00. One tweeter works fine, and the other one does not work, but I am throwing it in for free. The domes and surrounds has nicks, but the one that work, works fine.
All sales are final.
Selling AS-IS.

glen
08-22-2006, 12:02 AM
S109 serial number 17479 and 19862

believed to have been purchased in 1979 or 1980

glen
08-23-2006, 12:34 AM
Original blue components on ebay in 3 separate auctions:

LE15A serial number 2898
LE85 serial number 1394
LX5 serial number 4247
un-numbered horn and lens

woofer in auction:
http://cgi.ebay.com/JBL-LE15A-16-Ohm-15-Bass-Woofer-original-NR_W0QQitemZ120023198196QQihZ002QQcategoryZ3276QQs sPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

from auction description:
This item was pulled from a working homemade speaker that used all JBL drivers. Everything is original, never been tampered with.
This is a 16 ohm version of the JBL LE15A. It is serial number 2898. It's surround is in extrememly good shape considering it's age. The Lansaloy surrounds still seem pliable.


horn, lense and driver in auction:
http://cgi.ebay.com/JBL-LE85-H91-L91-HL91-16-Ohm-horn-tweeter-lens-NR_W0QQitemZ120023196989QQihZ002QQcategoryZ3276QQs sPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

from auction description:
This item was pulled from a working homemade speaker that used all JBL drivers. Everything is original, never been tampered with. This is in great condition - the original wax seals are clearly intact.
This auction is for the LE85 driver and HL91 Horn Lens combo of the H91 Horn and L91 Lens. This is the rare blue 16 ohm version of the JBL LE85. The LE85 serial number is 1394.


crossover in auction:
http://cgi.ebay.com/JBL-LX5-16-ohm-original-crossover-LE15-LE15A-LE85-NR_W0QQitemZ120023189205QQihZ002QQcategoryZ14977QQ rdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

from auction description:
This item was pulled from a working homemade speaker that used all JBL drivers. Everything is original, never been tampered with. In excellent working condition.

glen
08-24-2006, 10:28 PM
Listed in 3 separate auctions

130A serial number 23141 and 23142
175 serial number 6987 and 7918
N1200 serial number 12214 and 12511
1217-1290 serial number 4734 and 5762


woofers in auction:
http://cgi.ebay.com/JBL-130-A-15-Woofer-Speaker-Pair-16-Ohm-Matched-Set_W0QQitemZ230021882401QQihZ013QQcategoryZ50597Q QssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

from auction description:
This is a pair of matched (consecutive serial #'s #23141 & 23142) pair of vintage JBL 130A 15" woofer speakers. I purchased them from the original owners and I personally removed them from the cabinets, which were also a matched pair. They sound outstanding and have no damage, stains, rips, tears, etc. They are 16 ohm speakers. I am also selling the horns and crossovers from the same set and will combine shipping. I will sell the cabinets to the winning bidder seperately but shipping would be very expensive. Thanks for looking.


horns and drivers in auction:
http://cgi.ebay.com/Vintage-JBL-175-Driver-1217-1290-Horn-Speaker-Pair-Mint_W0QQitemZ230021945091QQihZ013QQcategoryZ50597 QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

from auction description:
This is a matched pair of mint vintage JBL 175 Drivers with 1217-1290 Horns. I personally removed them from a matched set of JBL cabinets and believe it to be the first time they were ever taken out since factory installed. Black crinkle finish that is 99% +. Red seals intact. Driver serial #'s 7918 and 6987. Horn serial #'s 4734 and 5762. Have the front mounting bracket with baffled face. Sound fantastic! Also selling the woofers and crossover that came with these. You will not find a nicer pair of vintage 16 ohm drivers and horns. I will combine shipping. Thanks for looking!


crossovers in auction:
http://cgi.ebay.com/Pair-JBL-N1200-Crossovers-w-3-step-Frequency-Network_W0QQitemZ230021950058QQihZ013QQcategoryZ50 597QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

from auction description:
This is a pair of JBL N1200 Crossovers. They are part of a set that I am selling. They work fine and I took them out of their original cabinet. I believe they have never been removed until I took them out. The back of the enclosures look like the day they were made. All the wires and hookups are undamaged and complete. They have a 3 step gain control min - med - max. Their serial #'s are 12214 and 12511. I will combine shipping. Thanks for looking!

glen
08-29-2006, 10:10 PM
L100s parted out in 3 ebay auctions (no tweeters)

From what I can tell this is a mis-matched set:
123A-1s with serial numbers in the 40xxx -50xxx range I have seen before were associated with LE5-12s bearing serial numbers in the 30xxx - 40xxx range (about 10-12 thousand lower than the 123A-1 serial numbers)
And L100 cabinet serial numbers are usually lower than the serial number of the 123A-1 woofer it contains.

L100 cabinet serial number 75041(A) and 75043(A)
123A-1 serial number 38391 and 38419
LE5-2 serial number 297961 and 297966
LE25 not listed/damaged

cabinets in auction:
http://cgi.ebay.com/Gorgeous-JBL-L100-Cabinets-Crossovers-Nr-Mint-Match-S-N_W0QQitemZ290024391040QQihZ019QQcategoryZ50597QQs sPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

from auction description:
This is an absolutely beautiful pair of JBL L100 cabinets with crossovers and all wiring ready to go. These would have been listed as complete speaker systems with all their drivers and grilles intact, but the tweeters were damaged. Therefore, I am listing the parts separately...see my other auctions for the other respective components, which all have matching serial numbers as well. These cabinets have CONSECUTIVE ODD serial numbers of 75041 and 75043.


woofers in auction:
http://cgi.ebay.com/Pair-Matched-123A-1-Woofers-from-JBL-L100-Exc-Condition_W0QQitemZ290024410493QQihZ019QQcategoryZ 50597QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

from auction description:
This pair of woofers originally came in the JBL L100 cabinets ending about an hour prior. This is a matching pair, serial numbers 38391 and 38419. They are in excellent condition cosmetically and perfect condition sonically. They sound terrific, no voice coil rubs, and no problems with the cones, surrounds, or dustcaps....all in great condition. There are a couple of minor dirt marks on the aquaplas cone surface, but very minor.
THESE MATCH THE CABINETS AND MIDS THAT ARE ALSO LISTED.


midranges in auction:
http://cgi.ebay.com/Pair-Matched-LE5-2-Midrange-from-JBL-L100-Exc-Condition_W0QQitemZ290024415215QQihZ019QQcategoryZ 50597QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

from auction description:
This pair of midrange drivers originally came in the JBL L100 cabinets ending about an hour prior. This is a matching pair, serial numbers 297961 and 297966. They are also in excellent condition cosmetically and perfect condition sonically. They sound terrific, with good cones, surrounds, and dustcaps....all in great condition. There is a VERY SLIGHT crease mark on one cone, difficult to see but wanted to mention it...has absolutely no impact on performance or sound. This is not a hole or tear, just a spot where the cone was pushed slightly.
THESE MATCH THE CABINETS AND WOOFERS THAT ARE ALSO LISTED.

glen
08-29-2006, 11:33 PM
Description includes all serial numbers and cites this website as authority and registration with HP Hoffman.
Gentlemen, we have arrived!

C50 cabinet serial number 47250 containing:
LE15(A) serial number 8392
375 serial number 6099
LX5 serial number 10889
075 serial number 49012
N7000 serial number 6226
PR15 serial number 11476
H93 serial number 10651
L91 serial number 12672

C50 cabinet serial number 47249 containing:
LE15(A) serial number 8391
375 serial number 6101
LX5 serial number 10877
075 serial number 48965
N7000 serial number 6235
PR15 serial number 11424
H93 serial number 10674
L91 serial number 12542

in ebay auction:
http://cgi.ebay.com/1960s-Vintage-JBL-R50-S7R-Olympus-System-Speakers_W0QQitemZ120026149542QQihZ002QQcategoryZ9 4912QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

from auction description:
1960's Vintage JBL R50 S7R Olympus System Speakers

You are bidding on a very rare and sought after set of speakers from JBL. These R50 S7R Speakers are in perfect working condition and can be professionally creighted and freighted anywhere in the Continental US/48. These speakers are being sold on behalf of a collector and have been extremely well kept and cared for.
Our current quote is to 90210, if you're not as far west that charge may be reduced and we will refund the differenc.
Manufactured in the mid-60s by JBLansing of Los Angeles, California, as a large home version of its famous high-end theatre sound systems. It was one of the first home sound systems ever manufactured. These are the finest speaker system that JBL ever built for home use, and the construction and components are unique in the history of audio systems.
This Collector's item is registered at the JBLansing audio heritage site http://www.audioheritage.org - The Audio Heritage consensus of experts was that this system was worth several thousand dollars. Collectors regard every component of the speaker units as significant, and worldwide registry is maintained. These units were registered and all the individual components last February with HP Hofmann who maintains the registry.

Hofmannhp
08-30-2006, 10:59 AM
Hi Glen

a little smile was crossing my face........
that's what I meant months before......everybody can use the registration for an additional bonus of his speakers......Great:applaud: :applaud:


Description includes all serial numbers and cites this website as authority and registration with HP Hoffman.
Gentlemen, we have arrived!

C50 cabinet serial number ..........

This Collector's item is registered at the JBLansing audio heritage site http://www.audioheritage.org - The Audio Heritage consensus of experts was that this system was worth several thousand dollars. Collectors regard every component of the speaker units as significant, and worldwide registry is maintained. These units were registered and all the individual components last February with HP Hofmann who maintains the registry.

HP

For all members which haven't contributed till now
PS: to add YOUR speakers or systems, it's not nessesary to show your name or country or other things you don't want to show.

glen
09-02-2006, 09:40 PM
In three separate auctions.
The serial numbers are not particulary close, so these probably started life as separate mono systems that were paired up later.

130A serial number 13952 and 15536
175 serial number 6888 and 7885
N1200 serial number 3268 and 5470
1217-1290 serial number 4661 and 5741

woofers in auction:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=50597&item=170025518024

from auction description:
This is a vintage pair of JBL model 130 A low frequency speakers that were made by James B.Lansing sound Inc in the U.S.A. . We removed these speakers from a pair of vintage "Harkness" series enclosures. These speakers are in very good cosmetic and excellent electrical and operating condition. The serial numbers are as follows 13952 and 15536 . Please see our other current listings for the matching crossovers and high frequency drivers / horns.


horns and drivers in auction:
http://cgi.ebay.com/JBL-VINTAGE-MODEL-175-DRIVERS-1217-1290-HORNS-PAIR_W0QQitemZ170025514845QQihZ007QQcategoryZ73372 QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

from auction description:
This is a vintage pair of JBL model 175 high frequency drivers with model 1217-1290 horn and lens assemblies that were made by James B.Lansing sound Inc in the U.S.A. . We removed these horns from a pair of vintage "Harkness" series enclosures. These horns are in excellent cosmetic, electrical and operating condition and do have the red factory screw seals intact on back of the drivers. The serial numbers of the horn assemblies are 4661 and 5741.The serial numbers of the drivers are 6888 and 7885. Please see our other current listings for the matching crossovers and low frequency speakers.

crossovers in auction:
http://cgi.ebay.com/JBL-VINTAGE-MODEL-N1200-DIVIDING-NETWORKS-QTY-2_W0QQitemZ170025536094QQihZ007QQcategoryZ73372QQr dZ1QQcmdZViewItem

from auction description:
This is a vintage pair of JBL model N1200 dividing networks that were made by James B.Lansing sound Inc in the U.S.A. . We removed these networks from a pair of vintage "Harkness" series enclosures. These networks are in good cosmetic and very good electrical and operating condition. They have the following serial numbers 5470 and 3268 . Please see our other current listings for the matching low frequency speakers and high frequency drivers / horns.

glen
09-04-2006, 07:18 PM
C56 Dorian speakers parted out on ebay in three different auctions

LE14A serial number
LE175 serial number 9329 and 9408
1217-1290 serial number 22776 and 22754
cabinets serial number

woofers in ebay auction:
http://cgi.ebay.com/Vintage-JBL-LE14A-woofer-Pair-with-LANSALOY-surrounds_W0QQitemZ140025517537QQihZ004QQcategoryZ 50597QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

from auction description:
This is a matched pair of mint vintage JBL LE14A woofers with original LANSALOY surrounds in very good condition. I personally removed them from a pair of JBL C56 DORIANS and believe it to be the first time they were ever taken out since factory installed. These are 8 ohm drivers with actual resistance measuring 6.3 on EACH speaker. Serial numbers are 20764 and 20639. Excellent physical and electronic condition. Removed from perfectly working speakers.


horns and drivers in ebay auction:
http://cgi.ebay.com/Vintage-JBL-175-Driver-1217-1290-Horn-Speaker-Pair-Mint_W0QQitemZ140025515020QQihZ004QQcategoryZ50597 QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

from auction description:
This is a matched pair of mint vintage JBL 175 Drivers with 1217-1290 Horns. I personally removed them from a pair of JBL C56 DORIANS and believe it to be the first time they were ever taken out since factory installed. Black crinkle finish that is 99% +. Red seals intact. Driver serial #'s 9329 and 9408. Horn serial #'s 22776 and 22754. Have the front mounting bracket with baffled face and original mounting screws.


nameplates from cabinets in ebay auction:
http://cgi.ebay.com/Vintage-JBL-C-56-DORIAN-speaker-model-logo-tags-1-pair_W0QQitemZ140025518481QQihZ004QQcategoryZ50597 QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem


from auction description:
Pair of JBL model/logo tags for C56 DORIAN speakers.
The metal film can be removed for use on ANY older or vintage JBL speaker.

Zilch
09-04-2006, 09:15 PM
Glen:

Can you put together a summary of part-outs for us, please?

What are the statistics to date, i.e., by model, simply, what's being lost from the Legacy?

At some point, the complete systems should become so rare and valuable that the wanton parting out for profit will cease. :dont-know

glen
09-06-2006, 06:06 PM
Glen:
Can you put together a summary of part-outs for us, please?
What are the statistics to date, i.e., by model, simply, what's being lost from the Legacy?

Hi Zilch,
I'm not sure how to quantify this except listing instances where a seller states that they have removed the components from cabinet "XYZ", and I have not been tracking those. I am usually listing in this thread either "systems" of at least three apparently contemporary serial numbered components, or dated items. Because JBL was selling component systems without cabinets until around 1980 a set of components being offered doesn't necessarily mean that an original JBL product was cannibalizde in getting them.

Even if they fess up to removing components from a cabinet, the seller's identification may be mistaken, many home built cabinets from the 50's and 60's were of very good quality, made from JBL distributed plans and looking practically identical to their factory-made cousins. And other makers like Barzilay, Acousticraft, Heathkit and others used JBL components in their systems.



...what's being lost from the Legacy?

My vague impression is that the original systems that are being lost in the greatest proportion relative to how many were originally made are the boxy early to mid-fifties systems: D1001, D1002, D1005... up through the C34, C35, C36, C37, C38. These are often not very visually striking designs (hartsfield excepted), and once those big, heavy boxes get a few battle scars on them ebay sellers (and the vast majority of buyers agree) that these boxes aren't worth the shipping costs. JBL was also doing a booming business in raw component sales during this time and it's hard to tell when the components are the result of parting out of an original JBL system. (Except in the relatively uncommon case where the driver bears the generic, square "sans-serial number" foilcals they used on some components that were included in complete system-only cabinets).

In sheer quantity the greatest number of systems being disassembled are the 1970s and later L-whatevers. They stand out because by then JBL was selling huge numbers of complete speaker systems and far fewer raw drivers to consumers. But the number of these systems that JBL sold, the more convenient sizes, and the fact that their "no-excuses" performance is often comparable to more modern speakers insures that there will be lots of them around for some time to come.

The ultra-lounge re-popularization of mid-fifties design ("mid-century", "Eames era" etc.) will probably help save some of JBL's more adventurous designs from the mid-fifties and sixties like the Harlan, Bel-Aire, Nova, Caprice, Carnival up through the Prima. But these were not necessarily big sellers in their day, so there are precious few examples to start with and every loss will be felt. It's probably good that the more conventional designs from the same era were sold in significantly larger quantities because they don't get no respect. Those Lancers just didn't stand out from the crowd, and even the Olympus and Sovereign cabinets look too much like the cheap mediterranian style junk furniture that was so popular in the 60s and 70s, you'ld practically NEED to take them apart to see that they're special. Anyone would know that a Minigon was special the moment they laid eyes on it.



At some point, the complete systems should become so rare and valuable that the wanton parting out for profit will cease. :dont-know

This is happening to a degree, the retro cool is even starting to reach back to some of the boxier C-series cabinets. Low-boys with the turned aluminum legs, or the compact C-36 with it's angled legs for instance are popping up as complete systems or cabinets.
And there's more of a variety of empty cabinets up for auction than before. I think that sellers are realizing that while the market for raw drivers is bigger and more competitive than the market for complete systems there still is a small but viable market for the cabinets.
(Big Tall dinosaur cabinets excepted)

I'm open to suggestions about what to track, but it's a little like trying to measure the fish that got away.

glen
09-07-2006, 12:36 AM
In 4 different auctions on ebay. Seller says these were from the same early 70s systems.

375 serial number 16420 and 16426
H93 serial number 16976 and 17003
L91 serial number 37298 and 37318
075 serial number 91666 and 91701
N7000 serial number 17043 and 17044



375 drivers in auction:
http://cgi.ebay.com/JBL-375-Pair-Mint_W0QQitemZ190027280290QQihZ009QQcategoryZ73372 QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

from auction description:
You are bidding on a mint condition pair of JB Lansing model 375 compression horn drivers from the early 1970's with close serial numbers: 16420 and 16426. Impedance 16 ohms. Paint and labels are perfect; they play perfectly and sound fantastic. They have been swept with sine wave at substantial level from 200 Hz to 10kHz and sound clean as a whistle. They came from a home system and have had very gentle use playing classical music at moderate levels.
Please see my other auction for a companion set of H93 horns and L91 lenses.


horns and lenses in auction:
http://cgi.ebay.com/JBL-H93-L91-Horn-lens-Pair-Mint_W0QQitemZ190027285248QQihZ009QQcategoryZ73372 QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

from auction description:
You are bidding on a mint condition pair of JB Lansing model H93/L91 horn/lens sets from the early 1970's. Horn serial numbers are 16976 and 17003; lens serial numbers are 37298 and 37318. These are to be used with the 375 drivers (see my other auction for a mint pair).


075s in auction:
http://cgi.ebay.com/JBL-075-Matched-Pair-Mint_W0QQitemZ190027962250QQihZ009QQcategoryZ73372 QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

from auction description:
You are bidding on a matched pair of JBL 075 ring radiator tweeters with Alnico magnets, all original and in virtual mint condition, from the same production run, with fairly close serial numbers: 91666 and 91701; made in the early 1970's. They are clean throughout and work perfectly. They have been swept with sine wave from 2kHz to 20kHz and do not buzz or rub. They have had only light use, mostly from classical music. The red seals are all intact. Imdedance 8 ohms. They come with the much desired clamp-ring mounting bracket. If you are bidding on them then you know what they are, so no further verbiage necessary. Will ship international.


N7000 crossovers in auction:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=73372&item=190025792739

from auction description:
You are bidding on a matched pair of JBL N7000 crossover networks in mint condition with consecutive serial numbers : 17043 and 17044. Made in the early 1970's; 8 ohms. to be used with 077 or 075 drivers. 7kHz crossover point. See my other auction for a mint pair of 075's.

glen
09-07-2006, 10:12 PM
In four separate auctions on ebay

D123 serial number 28279
075 serial number 21085
N2500 serial number 559
C36 cabinet not numbered

D123 in ebay auction:
http://cgi.ebay.com/VINTAGE-JBL-D123-woofer-used-w-075-N2500-in-C36_W0QQitemZ320025640956QQihZ011QQcategoryZ50597Q QssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

from auction description:
This auction is for a gently used Vintage JBL D123 woofer. The serial number is 28279. It appears that this is the first time it has been out of its' original cabinet. It is well preserved along with the 075 tweeter, N2500 crossover and C36 enclosure which are listed in my other auctions. All the components "worked as new" when tested just before removal. This auction is only for the one D123 pictured




075 in ebay auction:
http://cgi.ebay.com/VINTAGE-JBL-075-tweeter-used-w-D123-N2500-in-C36_W0QQitemZ320025642957QQihZ011QQcategoryZ50597Q QssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

from auction description:
This auction is for a gently used Vintage JBL 075 tweeter w/mounting clamp. The serial number is 21085. Note the red wax seal; completely original. It appears that this is the first time it has been out of its' original cabinet. It is well preserved along with the D123 woofer, N2500 crossover and C36 enclosure which are listed in my other auctions. All the components "worked as new" when tested just before removal. This auction is only for the one 075 pictured



N2500 in ebay auction:
http://cgi.ebay.com/VINTAGE-JBL-N2500-crossover-used-w-D123-075-in-C36_W0QQitemZ320025644920QQihZ011QQcategoryZ50597Q QssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

from auction description:
This auction is for a gently used Vintage JBL N2500 crossover. The serial number is an early one; 559. The D123 woofer, 075 tweeter and C36 enclosure are listed in my other auctions. All the components "worked as new" when tested just before removal. This auction is only for the one N2500 pictured.


cabinet in ebay auction:
http://cgi.ebay.com/VINTAGE-JBL-C36-cabinet-used-w-D123-075-N2500_W0QQitemZ320025650433QQihZ011QQcategoryZ5059 7QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

from auction description:
This auction is for a gently used Vintage JBL C36 enclosure. It is in uncommonly good condition except for the deteriorated grill cloth. It will accept a 15" or 12" speaker and an 075 or 175 DLH with the included the adaptors. This is a great opportunity if you have one that needs "attention". The wood & finish are really good with very minor "charactor" marks. Judge for yourself from the pictures. The legs will be removed & secured in the cabinet for shipping. The The D123 woofer, 075 tweeter and N2500 crossover are listed in my other auctions. All the components "worked as new" when tested just before removal. This auction is only for the one empty cabinet pictured. Yes, the back is included, I just forgot to take a picture of it.

glen
09-08-2006, 12:02 AM
Seller has picture of receipt for L88Ps dated 10-4-74
and picture of receipt for M12 midrange expander kit dated 1-25--75

L88P serial number 24924A and 29918A
123A-1* serial number 150092 and 179895
LE5-2** serial number 174738 and 174831

*in auction listing that ended last August 20, 2006 the seller also listed serial numbers or the 123A-1 woofers
**and the LE5-2s that were part of the M12 expander kit

current auction listing:
http://cgi.ebay.com/JBL-L88P-PLUS-12-RARE-VINTAGE-SPEAKERS-WITH-M12-UPGRADE_W0QQitemZ260029552479QQihZ016QQcategoryZ50 597QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

current auction description:

This may be the only set you may see anywhere with the factory authorized and installed upgrade set of M12 kits WITH all receipts and booklets that came with them from the original owner.
I came across these outside of Philly and fell in love. These are acoustically the exact same as the L100 Century speakers. But I have too many so these are on the chopping block or I am so.......
VERY LOW SERIAL NUMBERS 29918 A AND 24924 A,
I CAN PROVIDE THE SERIAL NUMBERS, IF NEEDED, OF ALL DRIVERS
They do have a few bumps on the speaker enclosures but NOTHING major, all corners are sharp and NOT dented. I have disassembled and completely tested everything and it works as new. The tweeters are slightly dented on the center dust covers but work perfect. The grills are new foam like the original and the frames are the original and are in real nice shape for their age.
These were purchased in 1974 and upgraded in 1975. I have included a picture to show this.



August listing including driver serial numbers:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=50597&item=260020472354

August listing description:

Awesome find indeed. I am the second owner (as of today) of this is a set of JBL L88P / M12 PLUS speakers. These have the same drivers as the Famed JBL 4311 speakers and others.
These are acoustically identical of the L100 Century, but more rare, as seen in the pictures.
Serial numbers 24924A and 29918A
They have JBL Signature 12" white woofers, LE5-2 midrange and LE25 tweeters in each cabinet. Along with a Presence and Brilliance adjustments to fine tune to your listening pleasure.
The original JBL L-88s were a 2-way configuration and did not contain the LE-5 midrange. The L88-P or L-88 'Plus' was manufactured during the era of the L-100 and was designed to be upgraded to an L-100 with the addition of the M-12 expander kit, which consisted of the LE-5 midrange and an additional crossover component. (88 + 12 = 100) So while this is an L-88P, it is actually the exact acoustic equivalent of an L-100 and says so right on the label.

I have taken these totally apart, removed all of the speakers and crossovers and checked and recorded the model numbers and the resistance of each speaker.
SPEAKER SER # 24924A:
Woofer 123A-1 SN # 150092 OHM 5.1
Midrange LE5-2 SN # 174738 OHM 5.2
TWEETER LE25 OHM 4.5
SPEAKER SER #29918A
WOOFER 123A-1 SN # 179895 OHM 4.9
MIDRANGE LE5-1 SN # 174831 5.9
TWEETER LE25 OHM 4.1
I have pictures to document these readings upon request only from serious bidders.
There are some imperfections on the cabinets themselves. The original owner has scratched lightly, his identification number on the back of each speaker, but easily fixed. The emblem on the front of one speaker is a little lifted. And the tweeters need refoamed and the dust cones are slightly dented. The woofers and midranges are flawless. The grill frames are good, but the foam was replaced with a weaved cloth that need replaced again. The cabinets are in pretty good shape considering the age. No major gouges or water markings.
I have set a reserve and if not met I will part them out.
All original paperwork, receipts, and owners manuals will be included.

glen
09-09-2006, 02:08 AM
Glen:
Can you put together a summary of part-outs for us, please?


O.K. Zilch, here's a very un-scientific breakdown based on groups of serial numbered components that I've noted from ebay auctions and some generous members of this forum.

Still in their original enclosures:
1950s 37
1960s 43
1970s 50 _
Total 132

Being parted out:
1950s 29
1960s 28
1970s 47 _
Total 104

From custom or non-JBL enclosures
1950s 8
1960s 8
1970s 1 _
Total 17

Of course this talley does not account for components being sold singly, or systems where sellers/owners did not identify serial numbers.

Zilch
09-09-2006, 12:01 PM
There it is, then.

Nearly half of JBL Legacy systems over 25 years old are being parted out when sold via these means.

I'd say it is cause for concern, assuming a prime objective here is preserving the Heritage. :(

It was happening before the internet, of course. I have old cabinets from our local used stereo recycler, pre-internet. But now, it seems like an expanding business model.

The discussion belongs in another thread, but from what I was seeing here, it seemed a reasonable inquiry. Thanks for running the numbers, Glen....

glen
09-15-2006, 12:37 AM
S109 AquariusIV parted out on ebay in three separate auctions.

S109 serial number 31145 and 31154
LE8T-2 serial number 31064 and 31108
LE20-1 serial number 199562 and 199723

cabinets in ebay auction:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=230026036935&indexURL=0&photoDisplayType=2#ebayphotohosting

from auction description:
These cabinets are in good solid condition with logos. Some scuffs and nicks from normal use over the last 37 years . Cabinet tops are tight. Grill frames are solid. the grilles are a bit worn. Plastic diffraction lenses are completely intact. Both cabinets include the original crossovers, JBL knob, and original JBL push terminals that still work fine. Does not include the LE8Ts, LE20s speakers We will have these speakers packed well in 2 boxes they will make it to you in the condition stated

woofers in ebay auction:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=61377&item=230026215579

from auction description:
TWO Beautiful vintage SIGNATURE SERIES JBL LE8T-2 8" FULL RANGE SPEAKERS With original Black paper cones,
Rated 8 ohms and the DC Resistance measure 5.9 ohms and 6.1 ohms, These drivers have the serial are #31064 and #31108, Both Drivers have the SAMPE BLACK paper cones
The cones and dust covers are perfect one of the drivers had the surround professionally redone about 4 years ago the other driver needs a new surround they booth work grate and have been tested came out of a pair of Aquarius S109 IV


tweeters in ebay auction:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=61377&item=230026219337

from auction description:
TWO Beautiful vintage JBL LE20-1 tweeters SPEAKERS MATCHED PAIR
Rated 8 ohms and the DC Resistance measure 4.6 ohms and 4.4 ohms, These drivers have the serial are #199562 and #199723,
The cones and dust covers are perfect as is the surrounds 100% tested came out of a pair of Aquarius S109 IV

glen
09-15-2006, 01:27 AM
030 systems on ebay in three separate auctions, pulled from homemade enclosures

D130 serial number 103648 and 112546
075 serial number 135860 and 135881
N2400 serial number 1491 and 1569**

These N2400s have the later Northridge nameplate, JBL must've restarted the numbering since the older oval nameplate serial numbers were above 49000?

woofers in ebay auction:
http://cgi.ebay.com/Vintage-Pair-of-JBL-15-Loudspeakers-Model-D130-8OHMs_W0QQitemZ280027781596QQihZ018QQcategoryZ5059 7QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

from auction descriptiion:
Vintage Pair of JBL 15' Loudspeakers Model D130 8OHMs
You are currently viewing a vintage pair of loudspeakers made by JBL and are a model D130 with an impedance of 8 ohms. They each measure 15" x 5 1/2" and weighs a total of about 31 pounds. They were taken out of a JBL cabinet pair and were tested and are in great working condition.


tweeters in ebay auction:
http://cgi.ebay.com/Vintage-Matched-Pair-of-JBL-Tweeters-Model-075-8OHMS_W0QQitemZ280027778920QQihZ018QQcategoryZ5059 7QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

from auction descriptiion:
Vintage Matched Pair of JBL Tweeters Model 075 8OHMS
You are currently viewing a vintage pair of tweeters made by JBL and are a model 075 with an impedance of 8 ohms. They each measure 4 7/8" x 4 7/8" x 3 3/8" and weighs a total of about 9 pounds. They were taken out of a JBL cabinet pair and were tested and are in great working condition.


crossovers in ebay auction:
http://cgi.ebay.com/Vintage-Pair-of-JBL-Crossovers-Model-N2400_W0QQitemZ280027776062QQihZ018QQcategoryZ5059 7QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

from auction descriptiion:
Vintage Pair of JBL Crossovers Model N2400
You are currently viewing a vintage pair of crossovers made by JBL and are a model N2400. They each measure 6" x 4 3/4" x 3 1/2" and weighs a total of about 3 pounds. They were taken out of a JBL cabinet pair and have not been tested but appear to be in great shape and will be sold AS-IS.
Sep-13-06http://pics.ebaystatic.com/aw/pics/x.gifhttp://pics.ebaystatic.com/aw/pics/x.gifhttp://pics.ebaystatic.com/aw/pics/x.gifA:The serial numbers on the loudspeakers are 112546 and 103648. The serial numbers on the tweeters are 135881 and 135860. The serial numbers on the crossovers are 1491 and 1569. They came out of homemade cabinets and wont be auctioned as I already sold them in my store. Hope this helps.

tony winogrocki
09-15-2006, 06:43 PM
Have some new additons.

075 - 84758
075 - 84762


Thanks Glen,

Here are the rest of the serial numbers of the S7R Olympus and my other slightly newer one with an S8R minus the 075 and N7000, originally purchased in Dec. of 1967 at Pecar Electronics in Detroit. I believe the one with the S7R to be a year or two older and has the LX5 at the bottom of the cabinet, the other has it close to the top but otherwise they're a very close match. When I make changes or additions I'll post those numbers as well.

C50 Cabinet Model D50 S7R WX
Cabinet serial number 47390
LE15A - 7899
LX5 - 10455
LE85 - 5365
H91 - 11857
L91 - ?
PR15 - 11570

C50 Cabinet Model D50 S8R WX
Cabinet serial number 47783
LE15A - 10251
LX5 - 12581
375 - 7156
H93 - 11476
L91 - ?
PR15 - 10651

glen
09-16-2006, 06:59 PM
030 system in custom? cabinet on ebay
I'm not sure about the cabinet, there's no JBL badging on it and crossover mounting looks rough. But the wiring follows factory standard red/black green/black color coding.

D130 serial number 40789
075 serial number 17942
N2600 serial number 6481

in ebay auction:
http://cgi.ebay.com/Vintage-JBL-Speaker-15-D-130-075-Tweeter-N2600_W0QQitemZ260032225544QQihZ016QQcategoryZ5059 7QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

from auction description:
Vintage JBL Speaker - 15" D-130 + 075 Tweeter & N2600
Verry nice JBL setup - A blonde danish style cabinet housing a JBL D130 15" speaker, JBL 075 Tweeter, and N2600 crossover. Everything is 100% original and in pristine condition. The cabinet condition is a high 8 with some minor nicks and light stains to cloth.

glen
09-19-2006, 11:15 PM
001 system in three separate ebay auctions. The date code serial numbers would indicate this system ws originally assembled in March of 1954. 1954,03(march)
130A serial number 403169
175 serial number N-40374
1217-1290 serial number 403153
N1200 serial number 403170


130A in ebay auction:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=50597&item=230027746920

from auction description:
Here is a JBL 130A 15" inch 16 ohm Woofer Speaker in very good condition (SEE PHOTOS).
I bought this recently at an estate sale. The item has the usual wear from age and use and as you can see from the photos is presentable.
The crossover (not included) appears to have leaked wax so I carefully removed this from the board it was mounted on. There is left over wax residue on the cork ring and there are two dark spots on the cone where the wax melted but they are not tears. The item has two small holes and the center is indented as seen in the close-up photo, but otherwise the cone is in very good useable condition.

horn and driver in ebay auction:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=50597&item=230027730523

from auction description:
Here is a Vintage JBL 175 Driver with 1217-1290 Horn in very good condition as shown (SEE PHOTOS).
The item has the usual wear from age and use and as you can see from the photos is presentable.
The item includes the mounting flange as shown in the photo.
The item is rated at 16 ohms.
The item has been tested and sounds great.
Check my other auctions for the crossover and woofer.


crossover in ebay auction:
http://cgi.ebay.com/JBL-VINTAGE-MODEL-N1200-SPEAKER-CROSSOVER_W0QQitemZ230028784692QQihZ013QQcategoryZ 50597QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

from auction description:
Here is a JBL VINTAGE MODEL N1200 SPEAKER CROSSOVER in very good condition (SEE PHOTOS).
I bought this at an estate sale recently. I have the horn and the woofer currently listed so please check my other auctions.
This had some wax on the outside of the unit. I removed the cover and there is indeed wax inside as seen in the interior photo.
I hooked up to the input and it does separate the high and low frequencies. When I turned the High frequency gain switch there is an audible difference in the sound.
I bought this at an estate sale and am selling as original found condition (as is).

glen
09-23-2006, 01:19 AM
C53 Libra with a "sort of" S5 system parted out in three ebay auctions
This has:
LE10A serial number 9305 and 9307
LE20 serial number 2553 and 2554
LX2 serial number 2982 and 3056

woofers in auction:
http://cgi.ebay.com/Pair-JBL-LE10A-SPEAKERS-Vintage-Old-serial-s_W0QQitemZ230031953871QQihZ013QQcategoryZ50597QQr dZ1QQcmdZViewItem

from auction description:
You are bidding on a very old PAIR of JBL LE10A woofers. I just removed them from a working set of C53 LIBRA cabinets. They are 16 OHMs. They are in good working condition, but the original edges are cracked.
Also includes the original mounting screws.
Serial#s are 9305 and 9307



tweeters in auction:
http://cgi.ebay.com/JBL-LE20-matched-pair-vintage-linear-efficiency-drivers_W0QQitemZ230030026775QQihZ013QQcategoryZ50 597QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

from auction description:
You are bidding on a very old matched PAIR of JBL LE20 high frequency drivers. I just removed them from a working set of C53 LIBRA cabinets. They are 16 OHM and are in near MINT condition.
Serial#s are 2553 and 2554



crossovers in auction:
http://cgi.ebay.com/Pair-JBL-LX2-CROSSOVER-Vintage-Old-serial-s_W0QQitemZ230030031315QQihZ013QQcategoryZ50597QQs sPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

from auction description:
You are bidding on a very old PAIR of JBL LX2 crossovers. I just removed them from a working set of C53 LIBRA cabinets. They are 8 - 16 OHM and are in near MINT condition.
Also includes the original mounting screws and wiring.
Serial#s are 2982 and 3056

glen
09-25-2006, 11:26 PM
2 L100s parted out on ebay in four separate auctions.
These two probably didn't come as a pair as the corresponding drivers have widely separated serial numbers.

123A-1 serial number 26347
LE5-2 serial number 17840
LE20-1 serial number 82058

123A-1 serial number 70093
LE5-2 serial number 53995
LE20-1 serial number 161867

woofers in ebay auction:
http://cgi.ebay.com/JBL-l100-l-100-Woofer-pair-Speaker-4311-4312-l88-123a-1_W0QQitemZ270033387551QQihZ017QQcategoryZ50597QQr dZ1QQcmdZViewItem

from auction description:
A Super pair of GREAT SOUNDING 123a-1 woofers .SWEEP FROM 20HZ.-1200 HZ. WITH NO PROBLEMS.No rubs or any problems..They have alnico magnets, Aquaplas cones in white pulled from working l-100 speaker .8 ohm impedance ,DCR values are 5.0 and 4.8 ohms. A near matched pair .Serial #'s are 26347 and 70093. Original cones #'s are 21005p each.Crossover frequency is 2500 hz. or lower. Will handel 50 watts continuous program.


midranges in ebay auction:
http://cgi.ebay.com/JBL-l100-l-100-le5-2-pair-Speaker-studio-monitor-5-inch_W0QQitemZ270033390542QQihZ017QQcategoryZ50597 QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

from auction description:
A pair of le5 midrange speakers one works flawlessly the other is intermitting in sound output. serial # 17840 and 53995 .8 ohm dcr values 5.9 and 1.2 ? Original cones .


tweeters in ebay auction:
http://cgi.ebay.com/JBL-l100-l-100-le20-1-pair-Tweeter-monitor-speaker-l88_W0QQitemZ270033394044QQihZ017QQcategoryZ50597Q QrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

from auction description:
A pair of le20 speakers ,one is flawlessly the other has a dented dust cap.BOTH SOUND PERFECT With NO PROBLEMS .. serial # 161867 and 82058 .8 ohm dcr values 4.3 and 4.0.. Original cones ARE PERFECT.Pulled from working l100 speaker ,alnico magnets.crossover frequency is 6000 hz. or higher. can also be used in the l-88 .



crossovers in ebay auction:
http://cgi.ebay.com/JBL-l100-l-100-Crossover-pair-dividing-network-2-5-7-5k_W0QQitemZ270033396775QQihZ017QQcategoryZ50597QQ rdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

from auction description:
A pair of Crossovers for the early l100 speaker system used with the 123a-1 woofer and the le5-2 midrange and the le20-1 tweeter. The crossover frequencies for these are 2500 hz and 7500 hz. power capacity is 50 watts rms. for a 8 ohm speaker system 3way. no problems complete with knobs.

glen
09-26-2006, 01:30 AM
C75 minuet systems in an ebay auction, only one cabinet has it's serial number

LE8T serial number 48651 and 48699
PR8 serial number 20071 and 20293
cabinet serial number 11651


in ebay auction:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=300031598044&indexURL=5&photoDisplayType=2#ebayphotohosting

from auction description:
This auction is for a pair of JBL C75 cabinets with JBL LE8T full range drivers and JBL PR8 passive radiators. As can be seen in the photos the cabinets are not in the best of shape. There are numerous scratches in the cabinets and a few nicks in the veneer. All in all the cabinets are within refinishing. Now heres the sad part. The coils are open on both of the LE8T drivers. Its so sad because the surrounds are intact and not too hard. And the cones are perfect. Someone must have let these speakers have it with too much power I would guess. The baskets of the LE8T are in good shape. There are a few very little chips in the paint on the backs of the LE8T, these can be seen in the pics also. Not that it matters anymore but both LE8T are rated at 8 ohms. The backs of the PR8 are in great shape with little to no noticeable marks. There surrounds are intact and not too hard. There cones are perfect too. There is some light corrosion of sorts on all four of the drivers in front. It can be seen in the photos, see the small amounts of brown deposit. All of the original gaskets are present on the backs of all four drivers. The serial numbers for the LE8T are 48699 and 48651. The serial numbers for the PR8 are 20293 and 20071. One speaker cabinet has its sticker present on the ID plastic badge, as can be seen in the photo. The other does not have its sticker. The present one shows, James B. Lansing Sound. INC. Los Angeles California, MFG in USA, Type C75 Enclosure Serial No 11651. I believe these were also referred to as the Minuet, any experts may correct me if wrong.

Hofmannhp
09-26-2006, 03:21 PM
C75 minuet systems in an ebay auction, only one cabinet has it's serial number
LE8T serial number 48651 and 48450
PR8 serial number 20071 and 20293
cabinet serial number 11651
in ebay auction:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=300031598044&indexURL=5&photoDisplayType=2#ebayphotohosting

....

Hi Glen,

very interesting item.....this LE8T was in an ebay auction in June 2006 and was sold from ebayer "greattubes".....but no feedbacks from buyer or seller for this item. :D :D :D :D

HP

edit: sorry ...saw a wrong typing in your text.....shall be 48699

glen
09-26-2006, 03:53 PM
Hi Glen,

edit: sorry ...saw a wrong typing in your text.....shall be 48699

HP

Corrected it,
thanks very much for catching that so I could fix it while the edit function was still alive.

I must be staying up too late typing some of these :snore:

Hofmannhp
09-26-2006, 04:05 PM
Corrected it,
thanks very much for catching that so I could fix it while the edit function was still alive.

I must be staying up too late typing some of these :snore:

no problem Glen,

you're doin a great job......as you can see the registry works :) found the double item number. First thought about ebay fraud.....

HP

BTW. the counter shows now 2628 items

glen
09-27-2006, 12:18 AM
Lancer S99s parted out in 3 seaparate ebay auctions

LE14A serial number 7352 and 7356
LE20-1 serial number 24553 and 24560
LX4-1 serial number 3463 and 3472
cabinet serial number 92138 and 92175


seller responded to query about cabinet serial numbers:
They are a mirror image pair, one S99 cabinet and one LE2-99 cabinet with mounting hole for stereo 'Energizer'. S/Ns 92138 & 92175. I may also list them today.

woofers in ebay auction:
http://cgi.ebay.com/JBL-LE14A-LE14-WOOFERS-WITH-LANS-A-LOY-SURROUNDS_W0QQitemZ280032613247QQihZ018QQcategoryZ 50597QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

from auction description:
JBL LE14A LE14 WOOFERS WITH LANS-A-LOY SURROUNDS CONSECUTIVE S/N. You are bidding on a pair of vintage JBL LE-14A woofers as shown. Serial numbers 7352 and 7356, DCR 6.3/6.8 ohms. These are 8 ohm units. Pulled from a working pair of Lancer S99s. Very good condition, no rubbing, buzzes or strange noises. Clean low distortion Alnico sound. The Lansaloy surrounds are still pliable and not broken. They are a little stiff. #7352 has some glue drips visible; evidently this is the way it came from the factory. The cone is slightly yellowed. #7356 has an excellent, near-mint appearance. See pics for details. Overall pretty nice, some minor blemishes. I am also offering the crossovers and LE-20 tweeters in a separate auction if you would like the whole package.




tweeters in ebay auction:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=50597&item=280032622764

from auction description:
JBL LE20-1 ALNICO TWEETERS. You are bidding on a matched pair of vintage JBL LE20-1 Alnico tweeters as shown. Serial numbers 24553 and 24560, DCR 3.9/3.9 ohms. These are 8 ohm units, removed from a working pair of Lancer S99s. Clean low distortion Alnico sound. The cones are in excellent like-new condition. Original trim rings are included and still usable, though one has some wrinkles. See pics for details. Overall very good condition.


crossovers in ebay auction:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=50597&item=280032625961

from auction description:
JBL LX4-1 SPEAKER CROSSOVERS. You are bidding on a pair of vintage JBL LX4-1 crossover units as shown. Serial numbers 3463 and 3472. These are 8 ohm units, removed from a working pair of Lancer S99s. They are unmodified, with original capacitors in place. HF level controls operate smoothly with no problems. See pics for details. Overall very good condition.

SJOSTRAND
09-29-2006, 01:37 PM
Hello !! I live in sweden and i am the owner of a pair of 4313B in good condition..I have been the owner for abaut 16years and i just love them....
Serial nr 10319 and 10316 :)

glen
10-03-2006, 10:46 AM
Hello !! I live in sweden and i am the owner of a pair of 4313B in good condition..I have been the owner for abaut 16years and i just love them....
Serial nr 10319 and 10316 :)

Thanks for adding your info to the thread Sjostrand!

Do you have any info about when they were first bought new?

Thanks for your input!

SJOSTRAND
10-03-2006, 03:05 PM
Sorry Glen !! i dont know the date ,,but these speakers have a history !!! you see i saw these speakers in the window of our local hifi store when they where new and i was abaut 14years old...and i remember that i thoght they looked reel nice,,Many years later a friend of mine begining to work at that store and he found them in store room,,they where probably to expensive back then HeHe so nobody ever bought them,,,well my friend bought them and had them until he died in a car crash Then i bought them from his family !!! The same pair of speakers that i drooled over when i was 14,,,,,:)

glen
10-03-2006, 04:10 PM
they where new and i was abaut 14years old...
The same pair of speakers that i drooled over when i was 14,,,,,:)

That's a great story Sjostrand!
Actually getting the same speakers you wanted when you were 14!
So what year was it back when you were 14 years old and these speakers were new?

SJOSTRAND
10-04-2006, 05:21 AM
That must have been late 1979 and the model i have is 4313B ,,,dont know when they first appered on the market,,, I also have a pair of 12" woofers from late 70 They are in cabinet right now so i dont know the serial ,,,i can give it later !!! i think they was orginal meant to be in monitor

Zilch
10-04-2006, 11:07 PM
L200A - 14002A, 18238A
LX16A - 15196, 17036
LE15B - 14268, 17445
L91 - 29413, 30372
LE85 - 18172, 22222 (Yup. :p )

Hofmannhp
10-04-2006, 11:34 PM
L200A - 14002A, 18238A
LX16A - 15196, 17036
LE15B - 14268, 17445
L91 - 29413, 30372
LE85 - 18172, 22222 (Yup. :p )

Hi Zilch,

are that yours? If yes, is there additional data, like date of purch. or from where/whom?
Thanks

HP

Zilch
10-04-2006, 11:48 PM
Hiya, HP!

http://audioheritage.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=12267

Told me he bought them 18 years ago.... :dont-know

Hofmannhp
10-05-2006, 07:19 AM
Hiya, HP!

http://audioheritage.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=12267

Told me he bought them 18 years ago.... :dont-know

to do some little service for you....

your lower numbered system L200 seems to be built in 1973 and the other from 1974. Don't know if the buyer had no budget between :)

That's the reading of the now with 2728 systems running registry.

HP

Zilch
10-05-2006, 12:08 PM
Your lower numbered system L200 seems to be built in 1973 and the other from 1974. Don't know if the buyer had no budget between :) Thanks, HP. That is indeed interesting. I didn't think they were from the '80s.

If it were ME selling them, they'd have been "Rare vintage improved 'A' version." :p

He just wanted them "GONE" from his house....

Edit: Ooops, forgot the horns:

H91 - 25592, 29665

glen
10-06-2006, 11:58 PM
to do some little service for you....

your lower numbered system L200 seems to be built in 1973 and the other from 1974. Don't know if the buyer had no budget between :)

That's the reading of the now with 2728 systems running registry.

HP

Dates sound right, though these must've been bought as a pair in that time frame. Guess they got mis-matched at the stereo store.

Zilch
10-07-2006, 12:04 AM
Said his brother owned the stereo store then.

Family discount, maybe. :D

[MY brother wants a pair of Minis. He's got a pair of 2245s to trade.... ;) ]

glen
10-07-2006, 12:21 AM
030 systems from Bozak cabinets on ebay in three separate auctions

D130 serial number 83632 and 83642
075 serial number 61423 and 66159
N2400 serial number 28102 and 29674

D130s in auction:
http://cgi.ebay.com/JBL-D130-Woofers-8-Ohms-Signature-Series-Consecutive-s_W0QQitemZ280035777039QQihZ018QQcategoryZ50597QQs sPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

from auction description:

JBL D130 Speakers - Working Sound Great!!!!!
They have been reconed by Dixie Speakers, a very reputable company in Birmingham, AL
Vintage Set of 2 15" Woofers made in USA , consecutive Serial Numbers 83632 and 83642
Some interior cone denting, but does not effect sound to my ear.
Pulled from my custom Bozak Cabinets, These are too loud for my apartment- hate to see them go!!!!!!!, but someone will thoroughly enjoy them.
Classic Speakers!!!!!!!!!!


075s in auction:
http://cgi.ebay.com/Vintage-Working-JBL-075-Horns-8-Ohms-Bullet-Tweeters_W0QQitemZ280035752484QQihZ018QQcategoryZ5 0597QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

from auction description:

Vintage Working JBL 075 Horns 8 Ohms Bullet Tweeters
Pulls from a custom cabinet
I never use these anymore, so let the bidding begin. These are nice JBL tweeters that work well.
JBL Signature Series Serial Numbers 61423 and 66159 made in the USA, with original JBL diaphrams (red seal intact on both).


crossovers in auction:
http://cgi.ebay.com/Vintage-JBL-Crossovers-N2400-N2400-Pair_W0QQitemZ280035780597QQihZ018QQcategoryZ50597 QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

from auction description:

PAIR OF VINTAGE JBL CROSSOVERS N2400 N2400
One appears to have been reworked, but if it has, it was done at Dixie Speakes, a very trusted local company in Birmingham, AL.
Serial Numbers: 28102 and 29674
Missing the JBL knobs, if that even matters.
Happy Bidding!!!!

glen
10-09-2006, 12:40 AM
pair of 030 systems from C38 cabinets in ebay auction

C38 cabinet serial number 31689 and 31690
D130 serial number 69484 and 68677
075 serial number 40135 and 40136
N2400 serial number 19551 and 19565

in ebay auction:
http://cgi.ebay.com/JBL-C38-D130-TUBE-AMP-SPEAKERS-075-TWEETERS-W-N2400_W0QQitemZ250037345439QQihZ015QQcategoryZ5059 7QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

from auction description:
Hard to let these go... Vintage JBL C38 Barons without the enclosures. The SN. of the enclosures were 31689 & 31690. Auction includes 2 D130 15 in. speakers, 2 075 bullet tweeters with mounting rings, & 2 N2400 crossover networks (also includes original product badges from the C38's). All marked 16 ohm. The 075s have consecutive serial #s of 40135 & 40136. All have red wax seals, but one only has 3. I don't know why. I'm confident it is all original also. D 130 serial #s 69484 & 68677. N2400 serial #s 19565 & 19551. I tested them for a short while immediately before disassembly and found them to be ROCKIN!!! The only problem I found were the pots on the brilliance controls were scratchy & need to be cleaned. I also noted that these pots aren't 4 position like the knob implies, but variable. The cones on the 130's look near perfect and I don't believe they need reconing.

glen
10-13-2006, 01:03 AM
1953 C33 with 050 system on ebay. In early 1952 this would have been sold as a D1004 cabinet with the D-1050 system. By the August 1952 price list the new appelation for C33 corner cabinet in Mahogany finish loaded with the 050 system was D33050M. See the transitional pricelist here:
http://www.lansingheritage.org/html/jbl/reference/price-lists/1952-08-15.htm

130B serial number 309169
130B serial number 309169
175 serial number not given
N1200 serial number 309147

No serial number found on factory cabinet with Lansing decal

in ebay auction:
http://cgi.ebay.com/VINTAGE-JBL-JIM-LANSING-N1200-SPEAKER-16-OHM-309147-NR_W0QQitemZ220035920467QQihZ012QQcategoryZ50597QQ ssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

from auction description:
Hello, SORRY no Paypal... Up for auction is this wonderful vintage speaker. Approximately 50" High, 34" WIDE, 17" DEEP
It is a WOOD corner cabinet, and I believe it may be Mahogany or similar wood. MODEL N-1200 Impedance 16 OHM Serial # 309147 LOS ANGELES, Calif USA
The cabinet has average age wear and a knick on the bottom. I bought it because the bass sound was just unbelievable to me.
The weight is estimated 120 - 160 pounds, WITHOUT the packaging and shipping box. You may pick it up in the Detroit area, zip 48192. One hour from Ambassador bridge, one hour from Toledo Ohio, within 10 DAYS, CASH ONLY. NO PAYPAL THIS SPEAKER
OUT OF TOWN POST OFFICE MONEY ORDER, ship within 48 hours..Cashier's Check OR PERSONAL CHECK 10 days to clear. Ship within 2 weeks. NO PAYPAL, LOWER 48 states ONLY
SHIPPER After you pay me I can take it to the local UPS store for you, and you can deal directly with them, OR you can have your own shipper pick it up on a specified day. MUST be INSURED for sale price.
This is an auction, is a final sale, as is, as found , as pictured with no warranty. Thank you. Check my feedback, over 6 years on eBay over 1000 Happy Customers.

On Oct-12-06 at 09:05:30 PDT, seller added the following information:

SPECS off the speakers MODEL # 130-B (on EACH ONE)
SERIAL # 309169
Inpedience 32 OHMS

glen
10-14-2006, 07:17 PM
pair of 001 systems in custom cabinets in an ebay auction.
An early LE175 with a debossed model number suggests these are from the mid 1960s. No crossover included. Serial numbers for one system included in auction.

130A serial number 24385
LE175 serial number 1056

listed in ebay auction:
http://cgi.ebay.com/Vintage-JBL-Matching-Stereo-Speakers-15-130A-w-Horns_W0QQitemZ220037557240QQihZ012QQcategoryZ5059 7QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

from auction description:
I welcome any info you may have on these.
These speakers are working and sound great. They have a crisp sweet tone. The grill on one is damaged as seen in the pictures. I think this could be repaired. This is a cut masonite or pressboard grill. I think the cones are original and I took them out only to photograph. They look perfect.
These have no crossovers. The batting is mostly missing. Please check the photos for details and serial/model numbers etc.

glen
10-16-2006, 08:32 AM
ebay seller of 001 systems in custom cabinets has added serial numbers for all the components that are in these enclosures (no crossovers).

130A serial number 24385 and 24396
LE175 serial number 1056 and 1068
horn serial number 13238 and 13239
(presumably 1217-1290 horns)



listed in ebay auction:
http://cgi.ebay.com/Vintage-JBL-Matching-Stereo-Speakers-15-130A-w-Horns_W0QQitemZ220037557240QQihZ012QQcategoryZ5059 7QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

from auction description:
I welcome any info you may have on these.
These speakers are working and sound great. They have a crisp sweet tone. The grill on one is damaged as seen in the pictures. I think this could be repaired. This is a cut masonite or pressboard grill. I think the cones are original and I took them out only to photograph. They look perfect.
These have no crossovers. The batting is mostly missing. Please check the photos for details and serial/model numbers etc.

glen
10-17-2006, 10:26 PM
C36 with 001 system on yahoo auctions Japan

130A serial number 34359 and 35953
LE175 serial number 32532 and 32548
N1200 serial number 1505 and 1701
HL87 horn

in yahoo Japan auction:
http://page9.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/k35084586

babelfish translation of auction description:
It is exhibition of the inscription vessel and the C36 viscount speaker of JBL. When purchasing, we purchased with the original box, but because name has not entered, at the photograph please judge. The foot it is the defect item, but I had used like the photograph, on the board of the cherry tree material supporting with wood block. Sound not to be wrong, it is JBL sound. The box, like the photograph is hitting in here and there angle and the ま, as for both sides the beautiful grain has come out without either the scratch excessively. It tried projecting the one where the right side has hidden to カガミ. The top board 1 place small soiling (1cm) it is on the left side, but relatively it is clean. With being about to say, in my impression, it probably is the place such as degree of halfway? If it cares with such as oil, already you see a little and you think that prospering becomes good. Occasion such as thin blotch it increases, the net, but there is no tear. The logograph of JBL has entered into the marbling net. Unit constitution 130A (serial 35953/34359) + LE175 (serial 32548/32532) + HL87 honeycomb horn + N1200 (serial 1701/1505) 8 is Ω. By the way, unit of this hand happens to see the pain of the edge and the cone and those which repaired the little tear frequently. But, this time unit of exhibition in order for you to be able to verify even with the photograph, there is no pain and it is the beautiful item. You think that it is possible to call the highest quality. There is no 130A or LE175 or the serial to be close a dispersion of sound. Furthermore, there is no what ガリ and the like even in gain control of network. It is this kind of item, but in at this opportunity, by all means, will the fact that you add to the one item of love listening how probably be? We ask may. Early (also the late to weekend), only the one which you can pay, please bid. Sufficiently, agreement it receives, asks with the no claim no return. We correspond to the serious initial failer, sufficiently e.g., sound does not come out.

Zilch
10-17-2006, 11:44 PM
Heh. I'm gonna start using that most excellent description in my auctions. :thmbsup:

[It's not copyrighted, is it? :blink: ]

glen
10-18-2006, 10:45 PM
taiwanese paragon in ebay auction
C44 serial number 42333
(Back penel stamped 1529)
075 serial number 125326 and 125462
LX5 serial number 34209 and 34217

in ebay auction:
http://cgi.ebay.com/JBL-Paragon-Speakers-C44_W0QQitemZ230040450844QQihZ013QQcategoryZ14993Q QrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

from auction description:
JBL Paragon Speakers C44
JBL Paragon Speakers--very beautiful!!!
JBL Paragon speakers' serial no.:42333
All parts are ORIGINAL!!
It works very well, but some scratches on the surface.
*Impendance: 8 ohms
*Model 075 Ring Radiators: serial no.: 125462 & 125326
*LX5 Crossover, serial no.:34217 & 34209
*Back penel stamped with 1529.
*There some scratches on the right side corners (please see the pictures)
*Dimension: 103 5/8 L x 35 1/2 H x 24 1/8 D
*Weight:698lbs
The item will ship to worldwide. Buyer pays for the professional packing and shipping fee. Paypal, Wiretransfer and MO are acceptable. Any questions are welcome.

glen
10-18-2006, 10:53 PM
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Hey Zilch,
There's also no copyright on the babelfish translation of your signature quotes (English to Japanese to English):
"Crimping"..."as for the tin before It bad state hand of the head"..."at the time of wank which is It mucus"..."coprophagous fraud of A"..."MATTER of Know! "..." An uncertain deformation; You worry yer pocket? "..." It of the d test tone of bjet "..." The confusion ' arse "of zzat..." Ot - Pass of adolescent will "..." In e poo of plug of plumber "..." It is 茄 multi, path which travelled "..." It makes the meritless mountain, excessively, I s'pose "..." The cleaning machine of flippin of us ' applying here of digit "..." RULEZ of rigami! "Me..." Eep... it is possible "to be these,

Zilch
10-18-2006, 11:41 PM
:applaud: :rotfl::applaud:

hjames
10-19-2006, 12:36 PM
The first part of a speaker project arrived (Thurs). See the thread on DIY - Homebrew center channel speaker.
Looks good, not yet tested.

2405 slot s/n 101040 - 16 ohm -

The second package for my DIY Center channel arrived today (Friday)

Le85 driver s/n 62705
2307 horn s/n 29372


is there any way to tell if the 2405 slot is Alnico or Ferrite - it doesn't say 2405H if that means anything ...

yep - sharp-edge cap - its AlNiCo - thanks Grumpy!!

grumpy
10-19-2006, 01:12 PM
magnet shape is different. Alnico looks more like a cap, Ferrite looks more like a ... speaker
magnet :)

glen
10-19-2006, 09:58 PM
S109 Aquarius IV parted out on ebay. Seller responded to query with serial numbers:

S109 cabinet serial number 14541 and 14544
LE8T-2 cabinet serial number 14146 and 14158
LE20-1 cabinet serial number 87755 and 87764

in ebay auction:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=290040252194&indexURL=4&photoDisplayType=2#ebayphotohosting

from auction description:
Quality JBL components, but both woofers(le8t-2) need surrounds and one needs a voice coil and dust cap.
Tweeters are LE20-1 and are functioning fine. Tweeters have dispersion covers. One is a little marred on the face and has a cracked mounting post (but will still accept a screw.)
With a little time, you will have a really Great set of 8's.

seller's email:
woofers 14158,14146
tweeters 87764,87755
name plates 14544,14541
all i found on the crossovers was hand written Lx12-7

glen
10-24-2006, 11:42 PM
Pair of D38130WX on ebay. That would be a D130 only, in a C38 LoBoy reflex box with walnut finish.
When contacted seller claimed to have receipt that is dated June 1960 and marked "to be delivered"

D130 serial number 39233 and 43964

in ebay auction:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=270045031184&sspagename=ADME:B:AAQ:US:1

from auction description:
Pair JBL D130 Signature Speakers 16 Ohms Walnut Cabinet
Here's a great find on a very fine set of JBL Signature speakers. The JBL model number is D38130WX. They were purchased in 1960 for $339. The original receipt will be included with your purchase. They are one owner & in excellent condition. The cabinets & grills have only the slightest wear. The original JBL badges are present. The 15" D130s are untouched over the years. The metal domes have no dents, there are no scratches on the drivers & the surrounds are perfect. Both are stamped on the cones 130-202. They test out excellent with the great sound you have come to expect from the D130s.


Q. Do you happen to have a photo of the area where the crossovers were removed from the back cover? Do you still have the tweeters and original crossovers? What would shipping costs be to zip 75901?http://pics.ebaystatic.com/aw/pics/x.gifhttp://pics.ebaystatic.com/aw/pics/x.gif

A:This model was sold as a full range system using the d130. They used the same cabinet for more complex systems with cross overs & horns/tweeters. This is why you see the cut outs for the same. There is a screw terminal on the back for attaching wire to the system. These could be easily upgraded to a better system. I will not have a freight amount utill they are sold. It will be at cost plus the $20 pack charge the UPS store will charge. You can estimate the size & weight at ups.com

glen
10-27-2006, 11:18 PM
S5 system from custom cabinets in three separate ebay auctions. Seller responded to query stating all components were from the same homemade cabinets.

LE10 serial number 1282 and 1283
LE30 serial number 1198 and 1199
LX3 serial number 1303 and 1305

woofers in auction:
http://cgi.ebay.com/JBL-LE10-woofers-Work-great-consecutive-serial-s_W0QQitemZ120046505298QQihZ002QQcategoryZ50597QQs sPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

from auction description:
These are 16 ohm LE 10 woofers, they have the Lansolloy surrounds and four inch voice coils. The surrounds are still resiliant, and are not cracking or rotten. They work great and have consecutive serial numbers, neat! I will pack them well.


tweeters in auction:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=120046503372&sspagename=ADME:L:RTQ:US:1

from auction description:
As if it weren't enough just to find a pair of these in working order, how about a pair of them in good working order and consecutive serial #s? These LE 30 tweeters work great and look good, too. I took some good pictures that show any flaws. You can see the one on the right is just about perfect, the one on the left has a small ding. I read somewhere that these were likend to the 075, but without the horn/plug. These were pulled from an ancient pair of homemade cabinets, which I hooked up and played, . These are 16 ohm. I will pack them like the precious little gems that they are.
Q:Hi Tarior, Can you please tell me the serial numbers on these tweeters and also your LE10 woofers? Are these LE30s the LE10s and the LX3s all from the same cabinets? Thanks, Glen
A:The #s on the tweeters are 1198 and 1199. The woofers, 1282 and 1283. Yes they all came from the same cabinets.

crossovers in auction:
http://cgi.ebay.com/JBL-LX-3-crossovers-two-way-old_W0QQitemZ120046506885QQihZ002QQcategoryZ50597Q QssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

from auction description:
Here is an old pair of JBL do-it-yourself crossovers, these are LX-3 two way. They are in good shape, but for small holes for the input wires to go through, but I'm sure those could be plugged. They are one number off from being consecutive.

Steve Schell
11-01-2006, 10:07 PM
Glen, here is a D-1004 system for your consideration:

http://cgi.ebay.com/Early-Jim-Lansing-Vintage-Speaker-D1004-Exc-Condition_W0QQitemZ200043119591QQihZ010QQcategoryZ 50597QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem