4435 vs Ti 250

[leif]

I play mostly pop/rock and love punch, dynamics and be able to play loud. There is two pair of speakers for sale at the same price, and I am confused what to go for. Let me tell you that I already have one single B460 subwoofer.
The speakers for sale is Ti250 and 4435. Unfortunately, they are hours and hours drive away from here, one in south and one in norith. So it is impossible to compare them. Therefore I ask for your help to choose.
Go ahead good folks, and give comments about the speakers, and advice what to do.

Regards
Leif A

[speakerdave]

Leif: "I play mostly pop/rock and love punch . . . ."

I can't say anything informative about either of these speakers, but I am definitely curious about this genre of music.

David

[4313B]

What are you using right now with the single B460?
What doesn't your present system do for you?

[leif]

I have a pair of Infinity alpha 30. Two way floor standing speakers with a 6,5 inch woofer. Price new: about 500 us dollars a pair... It has been used as an emergency solution, after my good old Ti240 was damaged.

Curious about the genre of music? Just regular pop music. Everything from Pink Floyd, Dire Straits, Aha, Santana, Gary Moore and stuff like that.

[4313B]

Where did the 240Ti's go?
Was there anything you didn't like about them?

If I were you I would be inclined to go with the 4435's (I can't imagine you needing the B460 in that case).

[leif]

The woofers rottened, and needed replacement. That was so costy, and I did not have money for it right then. So I sold the speakers (about 400 US) and bought the Infinities for those money.
Yes, I guess I would live good without a sub to the 4435, but would I benifit still using them? It would save the woofers in the 4435 to go all the way down... Would that not be a benifit?

[speakerdave]

Oh . . . . I see--you love punchy bass. I'm going for a walk.

David

[leif]

I am not sure if I understand...
Perhaps I wrote a bit wrong in my question, or perhaps I don`t understand what you mean? My english is far from perfect..

I meant that when I listen to music, I mostly listen to pop and rock. And when it come to what sound I like, then I prefer a system that can play loud, with a good and powerful bass, and that is very dynamic. That is why I need a pair of large speakers. A small bookshelf speaker would never be the right thing for me. Understand what I mean?
And which speakers woudl then be the best for me?

[Earl K]

Hi Leif

Take the 4435 speakers if you have the physical room for them. I think you'd only blow up the "Ti250" types which would be tragic.

regards <. Earl K :)

[4313B]

I think the 4435 would give you what you want. You can try adding in the B460 since you already have it to "augment" the four 2234H's but I can't possibly imagine that it would be necessary.

*****

"I think you'd only blow up the "Ti250" types which would be tragic."
:rotfl: Earl, no doubt!

[speakerdave]

Leif: "Perhaps I wrote a bit wrong in my question . . ."

There's nothing wrong with your English. It's miles ahead of my Norwegian. I just misread your first statement, thinking maybe you were talking about rock versions of "Bolero." (Of course there are actually many.) But that's just me.

I'm ready to relinquish this thread back to your intended purpose.

David

[speakerdave]

I agree with my more knowledgable friends. The 4435s pair would probably be about perfect for the preferences you describe.

David

[leif]

What do you mean "I would blow up the 240`s?
You mean I would overload them? LOL, No no no, I don`t play THAT loud!
I have had many many speakers since my first Jubals, and never "killed" any of them. Not yet :D

[4313B]

Originally posted by leif
What do you mean "I would blow up the 240`s?
You mean I would overload them? LOL, No no no, I don`t play THAT loud!
I have had many many speakers since my first Jubals, and never "killed" any of them. Not yet :D
Seriously Leif :) You would probably like the 4435's better in the long run.

Why don't you start a poll? See how many people choose the 250Ti and how many choose the 4435 :) I think somewhere on this forum there are instructions on how to do a poll.

[Guido]

Originally posted by Giskard
Why don't you start a poll? See how many people choose the 250Ti and how many choose the 4435 :) I think somewhere on this forum there are instructions on how to do a poll.

4435!!!!!
No Question for me:D

[Ron K]

4435 Bass is more coherent if it can be done without a sub. Ron

[leif]

Anyone know what the price of the 4435 is on the secon hand market?
And how much can I expect to get for my good old B460?

[Earl K]

Hi Leif

Really I think it's impossible to afix a price for used 4435s for your area. Here in North America ( with our wide open spaces & huge distance between urban centers ) generally the shopper is a lot less willing to pay for the transport of heavy objects ( like speaker boxes ). As such - generally, most large speakers sell for just the relative value of their components.
But, I don't think what I just articulated holds true for Euro sales ( & maybe especially Norway/Sweden ) . Another poster here has mentioned some fabulous sounding hifi stores that seem to be stocked with all the things we never see here in our stores.
So in my opinion the set, roughly values out at $125. to 150.00 US per component including the crossovers. A horn is a separate component . That's 10 components ( maybe 12 if the enclosures get included ) - my North American pricing vernacular.

A B460 is a piece of sculpted wood working art - and should be priced as such - so the price should be - whatever the market will bear at the time of sale . That's a real cop-out on my part but I'll stand by it.
Try for 600 to 1000. dollars . :cheers:

I do hope some of this helps < .Earl K :)

[leif]

Thanks a lot Earl.
Like you said, the B460 is a piece of wood art. And I love it so dearly that I told my wife to berry me in the box , if I should ever die :-) So I really really don`t want to sell it. But I may have to to raise money for new speakers.
One thing Canada and Norway has in common, is huge distances. I have to travel for about 12 hours (one way) to see these speakers....
But I guess I will not regret if I do so.

[MikeM]

If I were you id keep that 460 sub. look to pay around 1500 for the 4435. Those L250Ti are no slouches either. the 250 Ti Was reviewed by stereophile They didnt love it but its in the audiophile class. With that 460 the 250Ti is a NICE SET UP. I dought you really need the 4435 if you have the 460 with the 250 ti.( I sold mine and went with Von Scheikert Vr-4's 20hz is now mine ):smthsail:

[Alex Lancaster]

Leif:

If You want "kick" and "punch" try this:

Make or get a couple of: 4560 enclosures, E145's, 2425/6's with 2307´s, 4 total 2402's, keep the B460, all these will do that and get rid of nuisances like Wife, neighbors and cockroaches; Be friendly to cops, invite them for a drink (or more, as needed) of Hi Octane Acquavit.

Alex.

[leif]

:D
LOL, that was a good one. I wish it was possible.

[locanti]

Hi LIEF

I 'm listening to Rock music and Pop too(Even Jazz sometimes),so I highly recommend you 4435.I listen to 4430 and TI250 more than ten years ago in a show and remember me that I found 4430 were made to rock music and 250TI for classical.4430 were punchy, the bass appears "very fast" or could I say more dynamic even if I found the upper range a little harsh and shorter than the 250TI.These ones(250TI) had a "fully "sound that seems "larger","wider", in a word:ample than the 4430.

For the price:In good shape ,I saw a pair for 3400€ last year here in France.:banghead: Good luck:rolleyes:

[JonFairhurst]

I vote for the 4435 as well - if you have room for them.

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[dennis j leisz]

This topic prompted me to perform some side by side comparisons within my JBL stable in a newly constructed home Audio/ Video room. I invited a few friends over to help move speakers around and participate in the listening tests. We set up the Ti 250s' , 4343s' and a pair of 4344 clones which I designed and built with the help of a furniture maker. ( the only way I could get them into my living room and past my wife). The Ti250s' presently act as the fronts in my home theater with L150a's' in the rear. After listening at length to a wide variety of music our conclusions were all similar. The Ti250s' are a nice speaker with wide bandwidth and clarity, sounding more like an above average audiophile speaker. The 4ways,4343, with the horn mid and hi frequency have an SPL impact which the Ti250 cannot and was not designed to duplicate. So if SPL and impact are what your after the big monitors can't be beat. The Ti 250s' will remain in their current spot until my winter project gets done, a 4 way with a 2245 and a supporting cast, more to follow on a new thread.

[4313B]

"The Ti250s' are a nice speaker with wide bandwidth and clarity, sounding more like an above average audiophile speaker. The 4ways,4343, with the horn mid and hi frequency have an SPL impact which the Ti250 cannot and was not designed to duplicate. So if SPL and impact are what your after the big monitors can't be beat."

Basically the same conclusion several friends, coworkers, and I came to in similar A/B tests :)

Which system would you prefer to listen to for extended periods?

Do you have any pictures of your 4344 clones?

[dennis j leisz]

Hi Giskard, One of my good friends who participated at our listening is a recording engineer at Paisley Park Studios here in the western suburbs of Minneapolis. The monitors in their recording studios are big Westlakes with TAD drivers. He had never heard the Ti 250s' and as a matter of fact did not know they existed. He was most impressed with the evenness , clarity and balance. The reason why I keep them in my system is because they maintain many of JBLs' core competencies, SPLs' and bandwidth but without fatigue. Your question is a good one. For long periods of listening definetly the Ti250. To impress your pals listening to the new Led Zep DVD then the 4344. I will post some photos of the clones soon. Regards, Dennis

[4313B]

Thanks Dennis :)

That's exactly the conclusion I've come to as well.