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I was driving down the street last weekend after some Christmas shopping and spotted some big speakers out at the curb. turned out to be an Olympus (S-7 system) and a D1002 (with hi-freq modified to match the Olympus with the slant lens) and a third speaker that I've yet to identify. The guy clearing out his garage helped me load them, and refused any payment at all. I think I'll have to send him a Christmas basket. Any guesses on what the third speaker is?
I thought it might be a furniture finished version of an old Altec when I saw it from the street.
Mr. Widget
12-08-2005, 01:04 AM
I was driving down the street last weekend after some...Maybe he stole them from the proverbial "little old lady from Pasadena"... Congratulations!!!!
Merry Christmas and all that lot!
Widget
woofer is torn up, haven't tested horn
yggdrasil
12-08-2005, 02:19 AM
Congratulations. :applaud:
Keep us posted.
hmolwitz
12-08-2005, 09:32 AM
I am a trashpicker from way back, but you have me beat.
Did you get a chance to look in the other cabinet yet?
Might be a 604, or an old Jensen, that guy had great taste.
Harry
Fred Sanford
12-08-2005, 11:54 AM
Love it. Maybe I sould relinquish my "Fred Sanford" nickname to you?
Good luck with them. Now you see why I always drive a big, empty truck...just in case!
je
Mr. Widget
12-08-2005, 01:03 PM
So Glen if I am reading this right, you now have several singles?
It might be awhile before their mates turn up...:(
Widget
Regis
12-08-2005, 01:33 PM
Great find! Gawd, I'm envious!
So Glen if I am reading this right, you now have several singles?
It might be awhile before their mates turn up...:(
Widget
Yeah, these will be joining my other lonely singles: A C-34 and an L54 trimline (shown in the photo gallery) and ***warning: non-lansing*** Stephens Trusonic 12 inch 2-way cabinet. The fruit of years spent scouring thrift shops and rummage sales.
Maybe we should open a Lansing Heritage singles bar where lonely speakers might meet their mates?
Congratulations. :applaud:
Keep us posted.
Opened up the newest cabinet, the wood grilled Olympus, to start things off.
It was an S6 system (not the S7).
An early one with an LE15 (not LE15A) making it a vintage 1960 or 61.
The edge surround is solid as a rock! But apparently not cracked that I can see, a candidate for the brake fluid treatment?
Pictures below, opening the D-1002 next, saving the mystery cabinet for last.
Well, this was good news and bad news.
First the bad news: no Jim Lansing Signature components that would have been appropriate for a D-1002, and no crossover at all. And the D130 woofer has a torn, stained cone.
The good news: bolted to the butchered baffle that doesn't even cover the square hole in the front of the cabinet is an LE75 driver with horn and lens matching the one in the S6 system in the C50 Olympus cabinet. In fact the serial number on the fracturing decal is just 10 off from the one in the Olympus (3726 & 3736)
Looks like when the owner wanted to update to stereo he bought the C50/S6 and then installled some sort of matching components in the empty D-1002 box. Maybe he already had the D130 around? I wouldn't think a JBL dealer would sell that as a match for an LE15. And that weird cheese-cloth wrapped batting on the sides and back of the enclosure? Maybe Steve Schell knows whether that is original?
I was pretty down hearted when I realized the D-1002 didn't contain any of the original components, finding replacements for a restoration wouldn't be easy.
But then, there was that third "mystery" cabinet...
Opening up the third speaker, the one that originally caught my eye as I was driving along an unfamiliar street proved to be the most fun of all.
Here were the D-1001 Jim Lansing Signature components!
No crossover, mounted eccentrically, and the H-1000 horn seems to have one corner of the mounting flange cut off, but there they were.
The woofer is the D130A and the horn driver is designated D-175 as in the 1948 brochure (compared to the D-175H name in 1949) BUT neither has a serial number that I can make out on the typewritten model tag. I was photographing the tags with the aid of an inspection mirror, didn't actually lay eyes on them until I blew up the digital pictures later, but no serial numbers?
Did they only assign serial numbers to the drivers that were sold separately?
Could this have been a system sold to a factory employee?
And does anyone recognize the cabinet? material attached to the back looks like crepe paper. Original baffle cut-out looks like it's for a single 15 with a big rectangular port below.
So it looks llike Santa brought me MOST of a D-1002 after all!
Steve Schell
12-25-2005, 02:50 AM
Outrageous!!!!!!
Glen, it is just so neat that you scored all this stuff. I'm just in from an 18 hour workday, but I'll try to remain coherent. Perhaps this glass of merlot will help... hic!
It does look like the owner was trying to cobble up a match for the Olympus in the D-1002 cabinet. The original components and baffle board are long gone. The cheesecloth and rock wool padding are typical of the way Jim Lansing did things and absolutely original- the Lansing Iconic boxes are padded the same way, only with thinner pads. He probably made this box himself, so guard it with your life!
The other cabinet was made by Stephens; I've got the catalog somewhere that shows this box. The paper padding is probably Kimsul, an insulation product of Kimberly Clark in those days that was often used for speaker box padding. My parents packed the ashtrays they made in their 1950s ceramics business with Kimsul for shipping. Just search for "Annie Laura" most anytime on ebay to see the map ashtrays they made. I've had Stephens utility enclosures (Iconic copies) in the past that were lined with Kimsul.
The drivers in the Stephens box are pure gold- Van Nuys era D-1000 series drivers. The woofer is a "flat back, no hole" as I call it D130 or 130A. Can you check the label on this one? I have believed up to now that all of the drivers with no vent hole in back were made in San Marcos or Venice. The H1000 horn and 175 driver are correct for your D-1002. Hey, come to think of it, the previous owner may have pulled these components out of the D-1002 box when he installed the components to match it to the Olympus.You will be able to make a new baffle for the D-1002 box, reinstall these and have a close to original system.
Anyway, most all this stuff is worth a lot on ebay, and I regard the early JBL components and cabinet as priceless. Fantastic score.
norealtalent
12-25-2005, 07:44 AM
Nice score Glen. Been livin' right eh?:bouncy:
Merry Christmas everybody:tree:
Outrageous!!!!!!
D130 or 130A. Can you check the label on this one?.
Hi Steve,
Thanks very much for your info on these. The woofer label states D130A.
I do think that it and the D175 driver + H1000 horn were originally installed in the D-1002 cabinet.
Is it unusual that they don't have serial numbers on the lables?
Steve Schell
12-26-2005, 02:24 PM
Hi Glen,
Your drivers have the first version of the "cut corners" rectangular decal, which dates to the Van Nuys location as evidenced by the "racetrack" decal on the same driver. The serial numbers on all these early era JBL drivers, or lack of them, signify nothing that we can decipher nowdays. John Edwards, who ran the office through these years and typed the labels, told us that the serial numbers signified something like batch numbers or production dates to them at the time, but he has forgotten the particulars.
At least you have model numbers on your drivers. On my Venice D-1002, the same "Jim Lansing Signature Speaker" paper label is applied to cabinet, crossover, compression driver and woofer- no model numbers on anything.
Do you have the appropriate early N-1200 crossover for the system? If not, I may be able to help you obtain one. Also, I hope to do some restoration work on my D-1002 early next year. If you like, we can use its baffle board as a pattern to make one for your cabinet.
I am repeatedly impressed by the amount of late 1940s JBL product still in circulation. Jim Lansing worked tremendously hard during those four years trying to get JBL off the ground, and these products are the lasting result of that effort. Most of them still work fine and sound great, after a 55+ year "break in" period.
mikebake
12-26-2005, 04:15 PM
I just never get how people can just be driving along and spot this stuff that just happens to have been set out......what the hell kind of karma does it take? Amazing.
norealtalent
12-26-2005, 04:18 PM
I just never get how people can just be driving along and spot this stuff that just happens to have been set out......what the hell kind of karma does it take? Amazing.
Speaker Kharma...and a good eye!:coolness:
duaneage
12-26-2005, 08:16 PM
Just think, it was 1 day away from a landfill.
I see big wooden boxes at the curb and I will pull the emergency brake immediately. Best trash score I ever got were 7 boxes of LP's set out for the trash. Treasure trove of Rock, Jazz, comedy and a few rarities. Hard to believe what people throw away.
Fred Sanford
12-26-2005, 08:41 PM
Speaker Kharma...and a good eye!:coolness:
...and a big truck!
je
Charlie4350
12-26-2005, 11:31 PM
And live in California!
Hi Glen,
Do you have the appropriate early N-1200 crossover for the system? If not, I may be able to help you obtain one. Also, I hope to do some restoration work on my D-1002 early next year. If you like, we can use its baffle board as a pattern to make one for your cabinet.
I am repeatedly impressed by the amount of late 1940s JBL product still in circulation. Jim Lansing worked tremendously hard during those four years trying to get JBL off the ground, and these products are the lasting result of that effort. Most of them still work fine and sound great, after a 55+ year "break in" period.
Thanks again for the great info Steve,
My windfall system didn't come with an N1200. And I think the N1200 in my C34 is probably newer than would be appropriate for this. It's shown in the photo gallery on this site:
http://www.audioheritage.org/photopost/showphoto.php?photo=138&sort=1&cat=500&page=1
So I would be very grateful for the help you're generously offering finding a crossover, and duplicating the baffle board. I also will need any guidance you can offer to get the correct grill cloth. (and I haven't even tested the drivers yet)
Did I understand right that you have only one of these?
If so I think we will have to get them together for stereo session of the oldest home JBLs once they are back in fighting form!
...and a big truck!
je
All three of these were crammed into my little PT cruiser.
Every seat but the driver's was folded down and my head was pinned to the left window by that delicately cut wood grille from the Olympus.
The cruiser has also accomodated a pair of dual 15 Augspurger monitors.
(they weren't abandoned by the side of the road, believe me)
Other accessories I throw in back when speaker hunting are moving blankets, sash cord and a cheap hand truck
Sounds like you have refined this to a art form??? :applaud:
Fred Sanford
12-27-2005, 07:28 PM
I cruise in a '98 Ford Chateau, looks kinda like this:
http://www.mkcu.coop/mkcu/ForSaleAds/1992E150Chateau.htm
...fits seven people and lots of stuff, or 4 people and 2 motorcycles, or me and LOTS of noyzmakin' toyz.
Pulls trailers full of toyz, too.
je
johnaec
12-27-2005, 08:23 PM
I just bought this last week so I can finally move stuff around. It's a '99 Chevy Astro. Before that, all I had were a couple 2-door coupes...
John
pelly3s
12-27-2005, 08:30 PM
I used to collect so much stuff when i had my truck but now I drive a Buick and yeah I load a lot into it but I tend to think twice now before going to pick up speakers and everything because it was one hell of a challenge getting two 4430's into the car. One fit in the back seat and one in the trunk with the horn removed so it slid under the rear deck. I would have used the front seat but my girlfriend wouldnt have liked getting stuffed in the trunk
duaneage
12-27-2005, 09:02 PM
YOu would be amazed what will fit into an Escort hatchback.
I have the F-150 for those Paragons and 4350s that are left by the curb.
...Paragons and 4350s that are left by the curb.
It was hearing stories like this that got me started keeping an eye out.
For awhile I was very methodical about it, but I've never come across anything as good as 4350's or paragons yet.
57BELAIRE
12-29-2005, 05:33 PM
Oh my God! I'm still apoplectic....to imagine such a find dumped as trash
staggers the mind....only to be outdone by the fact that a Forum member
saved it....this was provenance.
This has to be the score of the century!
Well done!
speakerdave
12-29-2005, 05:39 PM
. . . . to imagine such a find dumped as trash staggers the mind....only to be outdone by the fact that a Forum member
saved it....this was provenance.
If Providence provides that they were once owned by someone famous they would indeed have provenance, and in LA that could happen.
David
57BELAIRE
12-29-2005, 05:55 PM
If Providence provides that they were once owned by someone famous they would indeed have provenance, and in LA that could happen.
David
...how 'bout some early montors in an L.A. studio or a movie set.
I love knowing the history of such pieces....to have survived this long is testament alone....quality survives.
sonofagun
01-01-2006, 02:53 AM
Quoting line from "Life of Brian" ;
"youuu luuckee bastard! You luuckee luckee bastard!"
:D
jandregg
01-03-2006, 10:03 AM
It was the month before Christmas I saw an add in the local Craig's list for jbl L-96. One le-5 in bad shape but otherwise good condition. I called and talked to Mark the owner. We lived three hours apart, but Mark said he would bring them into his work on friday and I could hear them. Still a long trip for me but my next call that day was to farm out an overtime job in the same area where Mark worked. Spur of the moment I say see you friday. The speakers were in good condition as described. The job paid my gas and turned out to be twelve hours at time and a half which paid for the speakers and left enough to buy my wife the digital camera she has wanted for several years. Mark was a pleasure to meet, tuned out to be a fan of pioneer speakers. A long, hard, and pleasurable day.
Forum member Brian sold me a replacement le5 at a reasonable price and the speakers were playing by Christmas. I was'nt too impressed with the sound, but I knew that Mark had installed new surround on the le10s, so I left them playing for week and they improved considerably. A sweet little speaker I thought, and what would they sound like if I bi-amped in my 15's under 350 hertz.
WOW! With the le15s suppling the bass these speakers sing wonderfully. They beat my regular speakers for imaging. My regulars are an 2123 to 085 to 077 and are pretty stellar themselves. I had planned on putting the l-96 in the bedroom, but they sound so good with the le15 the bedroom may have to live with smaller speakers while decide anew every day which speakers I will listen to today in the living room Life is good.
John
Hi Glen,
...Do you have the appropriate early N-1200 crossover for the system?
Hi Steve,
Spotted this crossover on an old ebay auction and wondered if this is what I should be looking for (the associated drivers were also of older vintage).
Is it appropriate for my D-1002?
Steve Schell
01-16-2006, 01:37 AM
Hi Glen,
This network is a little later than your D1002. I am sure it would work fine electrically with it however, and offer adjustablilty of the h.f. driver output which the earlier N1200 doesn't have. I have a circa 1955 two way JBL system (175DLH, early cast pot 130A) which has a network nearly identical to this one except for the unusual wand extensions for the driver connections. Its serial number is 402147. Don't know what the deal is on the serial numbering scheme, but it is interesting that they both share "147."
The D1002 era network was in a simple rectangular box with flanges along the bottom to permit mounting to the inside of the cabinet. It's the slightly later ones like you've shown that are visible through a cutout from the outside. Of course if you bought one like this and mounted it inside the box, who's gonna know? :^)
... who's gonna know? :^)
I like the way you think!
Thanks for the clarification about the crossover.
I had wondered why there was no opening on the back for the crossover like later speakers.
Thanks Steve!
Hi Glen,
The D1002 era network was in a simple rectangular box with flanges along the bottom to permit mounting to the inside of the cabinet. It's the slightly later ones like you've shown that are visible through a cutout from the outside. Of course if you bought one like this and mounted it inside the box, who's gonna know? :^)
Hi Steve,
I think I've found the right one in an ebay auction, label matches right down to the lack of a serial number:
mech986
05-03-2006, 03:50 AM
Glen,
You might look at this auction:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=9720864792&fromMakeTrack=true
Glen,
You might look at this auction:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=9720864792&fromMakeTrack=true
That's a perfect match Mech!
Thanks a lot for the tip, I'll be going for it
mech986
06-05-2006, 04:12 AM
N-1000 crossover is back up again, last winning buyer flaked out and deregistered. Glen, are you on this again? No affiliation, etc.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=9736395500&fromMakeTrack=true
http://i12.ebayimg.com/04/i/07/58/2e/09_12.JPG
Good luck, this time I hope you can get it.
Regards,
Bart
Thanks for the tip Bart, I am in it, but not as hungry as last time around.
Thanks!
Glen
N-1000 crossover is back up again, last winning buyer flaked out and deregistered. Glen, are you on this again? No affiliation, etc.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=9736395500&fromMakeTrack=true
Good luck, this time I hope you can get it.
Regards,
Bart
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