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briang
04-24-2005, 08:01 PM
OK folks, curiousity has me asking...What is the difference between the LE5-12 and the 104H-2. Seems to the naked eye that they are very similar; with the 104H-2 having a coating (polyplas?). I'm sure there are some differences in response, sensitivity, etc...

so anyone know what's different.

And yes, I'm sitting here looking at both and wondering, are they similar enough to be interchangeable? Or...?:blink:

4313B
04-24-2005, 08:55 PM
We've discussed this several times.

This forum is becoming a real drag - what a complete waste of my life's time posting all this information and none of it can be found.

boputnam
04-24-2005, 09:00 PM
We've discussed this several times.

This forum is becoming a real drag - what a complete waste of my life's time posting all this information and none of it can be found. Yup.

Hey, Don - maybe we need to EMPHASIZE the SEARCH function, hey? It works pretty darned well, but in it's present form is a nearly innocuous "pull-down", yet is the most powerful on the Forum. I mean, REALLY SET THE BUGGER APART IN A CENTRAL BILLBOARD LOCATION WITH FLASHING LIGHTS, DANCING BEARS AND SOME NEKKED SQUIRRELS!! :p

Here's what I found using a pedestrian SEARCH on the string "LE5 104H" - http://audioheritage.csdco.com/vbulletin/search.php?searchid=58197

Eight Threads were found; the one "LE5 Versions" contains a feast...

A great benefit of finding an old Thread is that follow-up questions there ARE IN THE RIGHT PLACE and further the usefullness of this resource.

JMO... :slink:

jblnut
04-25-2005, 06:49 AM
We've discussed this several times.

This forum is becoming a real drag - what a complete waste of my life's time posting all this information and none of it can be found.

Hey Giskard - don't let the newbies get you down. It *is* a real drag when people are either too lazy or too uninformed to use the Search function (either here or in general/Google). I hate to pick on this guy, but in this case he would have found the answer faster with search than it took him to type in the post.

All he had to do was read the big Sticky Post at the top "Forum Rules"

..."To make this place enjoyable and useful to its members, there are a few basic guidelines. First, before you post a question, use the search feature that is accessed from the row of buttons at the top right corner of all pages. Since this forum has been in operation for some time, there is a very good chance that any question you may have has been asked and answered before. "

I spend a lot of time on motherboard and memory forums and those guys are *brutal* if you don't take the time to (re)search before you post.

Perhaps we're too kind here...

jblnut

4313B
04-25-2005, 07:56 AM
Well I hope Brian doesn't think I'm picking on him because I'm not. We've all talked about this before. I sometimes have trouble finding old posts now that we've got over 47,600 of them to search through. I had a hard time finding what I needed the other day and really had to sift through some threads. I guess it's just the nature of the beast. Hopefully Brian will find what he is looking for. If not, an "I searched for this but still need elaboration" post should help.

johnaec
04-25-2005, 08:00 AM
I agree - the Search" function should be much more prominent.

I don't know if it's possible to easily modify these web pages, but what I think would be ideal is a big "Search" or "Search First!" search button right next to the "New Thread" buttons - it couldn't get much more obvious that way. It would be right in front of their face if they were poised to hit the "New Thread" button...

John

Hofmannhp
04-25-2005, 08:13 AM
Yup.

Hey, Don - maybe we need to EMPHASIZE the SEARCH function, hey? It works pretty darned well, but in it's present form is a nearly innocuous "pull-down", yet is the most powerful on the Forum. I mean, REALLY SET THE BUGGER APART IN A CENTRAL BILLBOARD LOCATION WITH FLASHING LIGHTS, DANCING BEARS AND SOME NEKKED SQUIRRELS!! :p
...:slink:

Hi Bo, Hi Giskard,

yes, ...a nice idea, but....I mean that it's very easy to power up additions to the library where it belongs, i.e. JBL-Library/ Specs/
-Additional sheets for crossovers, which Giskard set in threads thousand times.
- Plans, which I'd been asked hundred times (no problem)
- "Speaker fits in.." list
- Polarity lists, (where Bo's the specialist)
and some more.

my two cents

HP

Zilch
04-25-2005, 10:16 AM
I'm with HP. Certain stuff belongs in the Tech Reference section. Maybe we need a list of lists:

1) The LE5 Matrix
2) The "Goes into" list, and inverse
3) The crossover list
4) The recone compatability list
5) The list of links

briang
04-25-2005, 03:54 PM
We've discussed this several times.

This forum is becoming a real drag - what a complete waste of my life's time posting all this information and none of it can be found.

Geez. This response is as bad as those I see over at http://forums.vwvortex.com. :(

I'll add as nice as this site is, the search function is not optimal.

Second, why don't we shut the board down for conversations and just search for everything...:blink:

Did it EVER occurr to any of you people that:
a) I may be new here, but not to internet forums
b) I used the search function with no success
c) Responses such as "use the search" do nothing but foster antagonist attitudes.
d) I might have something (or several) to contribute...but now absolutely will not due to such a poor response for help when requested...

Thanks for nothing...

4313B
04-25-2005, 04:13 PM
Did it EVER occurr to any of you people that:
a) I may be new here, but not to internet forum

No.

b) I used the search function with no success

Yes.

c) Responses such as "use the search" do nothing but foster antagonist attitudes.

:hmm:

My personal response to "does anybody know" and it's been answered before is "use the search".

My personal response to "use the search" is "if I felt like using the search I would have".

d) I might have something (or several) to contribute...

Yes, often people do come here to actually contribute instead of just culling links or cutting and pasting information into their eBay ads.

OK folks, curiousity has me asking...What is the difference between the LE5-12 and the 104H-2.

The LE5-12 is the silver faced version of the LE5-10.
The 104H-2 is the black faced version of the 104H-3.

As I have posted numerous times before, the 104Hx series is not a direct electrical or acoustical replacement for the round wire LE5-x "where x is evenly divisible by 2" series.
I've received arguments about it sounding just fine anyway.
Whatever...

LE510 LE512 104H2 104H3

boputnam
04-25-2005, 04:21 PM
Thanks for nothing... Dang it - that's not quite fair.

- Post #3 gave some "hits" from my quick Search, and the Link to others. That should have made you warm and fuzzy.


b) I used the search function with no success I believed you had, that's why I offered in my response the search string that worked for me. Not being from Boolea, I tend to think at a much lower-level than others, and my searches seem to have above-average success. :p


Second, why don't we shut the board down for conversations and just search for everything...:blink: We (glad you're a part of it! :D ) could, but we think it would be better to add to existing Threads continuing the discussion rather than start a repetitive Thread (where possible). I do love to dream...

- Giskard warned he might have seemed cross at you ("Well I hope Brian doesn't think I'm picking on him because I'm not.") - but he is cross at the difficulty using the database (and he has said so many, many times).

- No-one came at you, but we ALL came-in about the need for a better, more effective and MORE OBVIOUS search function.

This place ain't so bad. Realize you sparked dicussion on something we have needed improved for some time.

If that's the only contribution you care to make, too bad. We looked forward to meeting you.

briang
04-25-2005, 04:39 PM
Dang it - that's not quite fair.

You are correct. For my terse response, I apologise to all. I'll leave it be, as a reminder to myself that my knee jerks just like any other knee...


- Post #3 gave some "hits" from my quick Search, and the Link to others. That should have made you warm and fuzzy.

I believed you had, that's why I offered in my response the search string that worked for me. Not being from Boolea, I tend to think at a much lower-level than others, and my searches seem to have above-average success. :p

We (glad you're a part of it! :D ) could, but we think it would be better to add to existing Threads continuing the discussion rather than start a repetitive Thread (where possible). I do love to dream...

- Giskard warned he might have seemed cross at you ("Well I hope Brian doesn't think I'm picking on him because I'm not.") - but he is cross at the difficulty using the database (and he has said so many, many times).

- No-one came at you, but we ALL came-in about the need for a better, more effective and MORE OBVIOUS search function.

This place ain't so bad. Realize you sparked dicussion on something we have needed improved for some time.

If that's the only contribution you care to make, too bad. We looked forward to meeting you.

Ah, my name is now grasshopper...thanks for setting me straight.

DMMD
04-25-2005, 04:49 PM
BTW... a piece of "diffuser" trivia. My wife and I bought "grasshopper's" house.
There are a couple of film reels and studio letters in the garage still.

Nice to see the two engineering reports side by side. Thanks Giskard! Proof is on the paper...

I think it is hard to just take reality for ...well, reality.... the two mids just look so DAMN similar. :blink: They MUST be the same right? ;)

boputnam
04-25-2005, 04:51 PM
You are correct. For my terse response, I apologise to all. I'll leave it be, as a reminder to myself that my knee jerks just like any other knee...

Ah, my name is now grasshopper...thanks for setting me straight. :rotfl:

Nothing of the kind, man. Your (unintended...) contribution is actually one of the more pithy we have right now. I solicted the involvement of Don a bit ago, and all I know is that he is contemplating how - and what - to respond to this. He needs to get behind that velvet curtain, get the fire-jets primed, and then comes forward with some insight. Rattle not, tin men!

--------------------

Since you frequent other Forums, share any ideas of observations - please. I've previously posted that the few others I go to struggle likewise with this, and as you noted, are often gruff in their "welcome!".

I was thinking a LARGER and centrally positioned Search button might work - conversely, maybe there is a way the Moderators can splice the new inquiry into a historic Thread? Interesting thought. Dunno...

briang
04-25-2005, 04:52 PM
BTW... a piece of "diffuser" trivia. My wife and I bought "grasshopper's" house.
There are a couple of film reels and studio letters in the garage still.

You bought David Carradine's old house? Interesting...:)


Nice to see the two engineering reports side by side. Thanks Giskard! Proof is on the paper...

I think it is hard to just take reality for ...well, reality.... the two mids just look so DAMN similar. :blink: They MUST be the same right? ;) Nah, that's why I asked :D

4313B
04-25-2005, 04:53 PM
I think it is hard to just take reality for ...well, reality.... the two mids just look so DAMN similar. :blink: They MUST be the same right? ;)Examine the top plate on each.


Nah, that's why I asked :DSee how much more interesting this thread is now instead of the same old QUESTION -> ANSWER?

DMMD
04-25-2005, 06:25 PM
I was mocking myself Giskard.... :D

dblaxter
04-28-2005, 04:22 PM
this thread is, was both heated and helpful , i hope someone will know , i have many le5 series drivers and 104h, 104h-2 drivers what i did not know is that the 104h has a 1in" voice coil ,i was wondering why that was not ever mentioned, i think that would be a big difference ,i know there was a thread reply by giskard that the 104's are both acoustically? and electrically different ,is that what was meant? i have 240ti's and 120ti's ,and in the brochure it says they have a 7/8" vc, also any brochures on le5-X drivers it says 7/8"vc, but i have a C8RLE510 and a C8R104 kit ,there is clearly a difference in size in the vc , why isn't there any info in the brochures and manuals , also i looked at the 104H driver it does have the larger vc, so i guess i'm curious why JBL does not state this info since for some well maybe all depending on what you like or do ,size does make a difference, at least thats what my girlfriend tells me :D :rolleyes:

Ian Mackenzie
04-28-2005, 04:32 PM
I know Giskard has frequently posted many discussions on such drivers.

In other forums we have a rule that you search before starting a new thread.

This avoids gross abuse of the forums and redundancy of earlier threads.
If you do a search and find something but not exactly what you needed, you may then add a reply to that thread and request a response or send a pm to a contributor for further explaination.

Have you searched before opening a new thread?

I'm going to ask Don to sanction that.

Ian Mackenzie

Zilch
04-28-2005, 04:47 PM
A difference in voice coil diameters is news to me, too.

I dinna know that....

dblaxter
04-28-2005, 05:03 PM
:banghead: ,i read this thread and thought we just went threw this ,looking and searching old threads and yes i did spend an hour or more going threw the other threads, nothing was posted on the 104h vc ,and by someone elses admission the 104series is in a class of its own. and the reason why i decided to post on this ALREADY started thread ,it was fresh on everyones mind , and with the risk of getting harped on by all ,please what is the big deal about this thread starting (I KNOW AM GOING TO START A FIRE) sometimes , the info is so scattered its hard to get the info desired , so some i think just want to get an answer not a lecture . :banghead:

Ian Mackenzie
04-28-2005, 07:02 PM
Okay,

There is no issue really.

The "moderator" of threads is new and being trialed.

What we are talking about is "how" to engineer a better future for everyone on the forums. That is those who regularly contribute and those come by to seek assistance and information.

The intention is to make the forums easier and more helpful to use.

It might take a while to get it right so bear with us.

Ian

Robh3606
04-28-2005, 07:53 PM
"What we are talking about is "how" to engineer a better future for everyone on the forums. That is those who regularly contribute and those come by to seek assistance and information."

Yes it would be better for all if the information available in the threads could be more easilly found with the search function. Maybe we can format the post titles to make the searches easier. Problem is we go off topic all the time and some real gems are in threads where there is no direct link to the eventual topic and the title?? Not sure what to do about that:banghead:

Rob:)

Zilch
04-28-2005, 08:15 PM
I'll say it again: there's a bunch of stuff that folks come in here repeatedly inquiring about. Those items should be in the Tech Ref section. As more information on a particular subject becomes available in subsequent discussions, that can be added as well.

The result is a single centralized location of information on matters of common (popular) interest. The LE-5 matrix is one of them. The additional information posted above in this thread could easily be added there as well, thus enhancing the knowledge base on the subject.

For refoaming and reconing, it could be links to recommended threads, where excellent information is already available. Same for refinishing. Someone has an interest, they look there first, or we can direct them there for the information.

I sympathize with those who have difficulty finding stuff via "Search." I KNOW it's there, but can't find it easily. For example, finding the Cat5E article was HELL for me today. Finally, I searched through my own posts to find it, as I knew I musta had something to say about it. :p

boputnam
04-28-2005, 08:22 PM
...The additional information posted above in this thread could easily be added there as well, thus enhancing the knowledge base on the subject... Hey, man...

That is one of the most perplexing desires. I hope, that if the Search function is more obvious and sexually compelling, newbies will do that, then ADD to an existing and rich thread, enriching it further.

Hell, with this much hope, I must re-evaluate my athiest views... :blink:

Ian Mackenzie
04-28-2005, 09:30 PM
Hey, man...

That is one of the most perplexing desires. I hope, that if the Search function is more obvious and sexually compelling, newbies will do that, then ADD to an existing and rich thread, enriching it further.

Hell, with this much hope, I must re-evaluate my athiest views... :blink:

Yeah well you know me, I just "Love" Hitting on things...LOL