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4313B
04-09-2005, 02:42 PM
Three different versions of the N212 network.

4313B
04-09-2005, 02:44 PM
Evaluation of the three different versions of the conjugate circuit in parallel with the 066 high frequency dome radiator.

4313B
04-09-2005, 02:52 PM
Three custom versions

4313B
04-09-2005, 02:58 PM
From inspection it can be seen that two Dayton 30uF-250V Polypropylene Capacitors (Part Number 027-440) or two Solen 30.0uF-400Vdc Polypropylene Capacitors (Part Number 027-590) will suffice to arrive at a 15.0 uF biased capacitor pair.

4313B
04-09-2005, 07:27 PM
Evaluation of the three different versions of the conjugate circuit in parallel with the 112 low frequency transducer.

4313B
04-09-2005, 07:50 PM
The math supports the measurements - Le of the 112 is ~ 0.83 mH so the third conjugate is the one to go with.

0.83 mH / (10 ohms)^2 = 8.3 uF

Two Dayton 18uF-250V Polypropylene Capacitors (Part Number 027-434) or two Solen 16.0uF-400Vdc Polypropylene Capacitors (Part Number 027-578) will yield a 8.0 uF to 9.0 uF biased capacitor pair.

4313B
04-09-2005, 08:00 PM
Evaluation of the conjugate circuits in parallel with the LE5-9 midrange transducer.

4313B
04-09-2005, 08:06 PM
The L212 used a 4.0 uF with the 7.5 ohm resistor while the L250 used a 6.0 uF with the 7.5 ohm resistor. A 5.0 uF might end up "looking" the nicest. :p

In any case, two Dayton 8.2uF-250V Polypropylene Capacitors (Part Number 027-426) or two Solen 8.2uF-400Vdc Polypropylene Capacitors (Part Number 027-564) will yield a 4.1 uF biased capacitor pair.

4313B
04-09-2005, 08:08 PM
This data shows that the final version of the N212 network is the version to use for biasing.

A 15.0 uF biased pair looks "good enough" for the HF conjugate although Solen does have the 33.0uF-400Vdc Polypropylene Capacitors (Part Number 027-592) available which will yield a 16.5 uF biased pair.

DavidF
04-09-2005, 11:38 PM
Thanks Giskard for sharing this data.

Anyone comment on a couple of points?

The extra ripples in the 066 magnitude seem odd to me. They are not insignificant and could play into response/phase given the typical low-order xover used with this model.

Is the charged capacitor all or nothing, i.e. will using this only in the series capacitors but not the shunt capacitors diminish the effect?

Thanks,
DavidF

hector.murray
04-10-2005, 12:11 AM
Thanks for the schematics and the supporting graphs Giskard.
Cheaper caps to create a great crossover that need not be bypassed means more $ for transducers!
I was looking at Auricaps and I'm still in sticker shock.
This is a much better alternative.

4313B
04-10-2005, 03:48 AM
The extra ripples in the 066 magnitude seem odd to me. They are not insignificant and could play into response/phase given the typical low-order xover used with this model.True.

Some people might prefer the 3113B network with the 12 dB/octave slope on the 066.
Is the charged capacitor all or nothing, i.e. will using this only in the series capacitors but not the shunt capacitors diminish the effect?I'd approach it with an all or nothing attitude.
This is a much better alternative.It sounds pretty damn good.

As for bypassing, I'd still bypass the Daytons with the 0.01 uF Audiocap Thetas. The Solens aren't supposed to need bypassing when biased.

jblnut is running brand new biased networks in his 250Ti's (they use all Solen capacitors and inductors). You might want to check out his recent posts.

hector.murray
04-10-2005, 09:34 PM
So add the 0.3millihenry choke in parallel behind the Lpad and leave out the conjugate or leave it in?

4313B
04-10-2005, 09:40 PM
Take the conjugate out. You would need to use the whole 3113B network though and adjust the conjugate on the LF accordingly.

MJC
03-13-2006, 07:07 AM
Giskard, I found this thread that you posted a biased L212 network.
Thanks for the info, be it a year later.
I understand the reason for the 9 volt batteries between the capacitor pairs, but what is the reason for the battery on the negative(black) input line, on the 112A circuit? And if I am looking at it right, there are 6 batteries used for each xover, correct?
I've already got most of the resistors and inductors, just have to buy the Solen caps and 3meg resistors and I'll be ready for the upgrade.

4313B
03-13-2006, 07:15 AM
One battery per network.

You attach the negative lead of the battery to the negative input rail of the loudspeaker system. The positive lead of the battery goes to one side of all the 3.0 Mohm resistors. The other ends of the 3.0 Mohm resistors go to each of the capacitor pairs.

MJC
03-13-2006, 07:28 AM
Thanks, that makes it crystal clear.