and then?

[alpina]

Hi.
I have, here in Spain (important for the lack of JBL vintage product) in my "main" room a 4430 couple and in my back another 4425, which I have many years. Many times I have thought of a change of the entire speaker system by another JBL, but a little better ... my problem is that it can not have more width than the 4430 for space problem.
I have a project parked around 4435 "in tower" since I am very happy with my system and I find here couples of the series 43 is more than impossible and the shipment from other countries and without seeing the product is also complicated.
Really the sound of my 4 pairs of JBL is very good ... and when I disconnect the 4425 from the system it is not the same ... I thought about selling only the 4425 but I am not satisfied, now, with the sound of the 4430 them alone. ..
According to your experience ... what would be, according to measures similar to 4430, the next step for this system but only with a couple of speakers?

[Fitero]

I imagine that most members here would prefer questions posted in English.

I'll do a very brief translation of your question, filtering out the erratum so that the knowledgeable can respond.

Alpina has 2 pair of JBL speakers in one room; a pair of 4430 in the front, and a pair of 4425 behind him.
He plays both pair at a time and likes it best this way. He would like to upgrade the 4430 to something slightly better but has a limit on width. The new speakers can't be wider than 556mm (21-7/8"+/-)wide.

His question is; what newer JBL's would be a step up for him?

[Fitero]

I'll give my thoughts for what it's worth;

I had 4367's which only measure 4mm wider than the 4430's. They would most assuredly be a step up from the earlier generation horn waveguides. On the used market, 4365's with their magnesium tweeter would be another consideration. If you wanted to go with active speakers the logical choice would be the M2's.

Yo tuve los 4367, que solo miden unos 4mm mas ancho cada uno que los 4430. Seguro que serian una mejoría que generación antigua de las guía de ondas de los tweeter. Usados, los 4365, con su tweeter de magnesio serian otra opción. Si quisieras optar por la opción de altavoces activos, los M2 seria la elección mas lógica. Son los altavoces que yo tengo ahora.

[martin_wu99]

I imagine that most members here would prefer questions posted in English.

I'll do a very brief translation of your question, filtering out the erratum so that the knowledgeable can respond.

Alpina has 2 pair of JBL speakers in one room; a pair of 4430 in the front, and a pair of 4425 behind him.
He plays both pair at a time and likes it best this way. He would like to upgrade the 4430 to something slightly better but has a limit on width. The new speakers can't be wider than 556mm (21-7/8"+/-)wide.

His question is; what newer JBL's would be a step up for him?
I think there are many options for Alpina to upgrade his 4430,such as S7500,4338,S9900,array 1400,S4700,4365,4367 M2 etc,but i think all these newer speakers are diffent style to 4430

[hlaari]

I'll give my thoughts for what it's worth;

I had 4367's which only measure 4mm wider than the 4430's. They would most assuredly be a step up from the earlier generation horn waveguides. On the used market, 4365's with their beryllium tweeter would be another consideration. If you wanted to go with active speakers the logical choice would be the M2's.

Yo tuve los 4367, que solo miden unos 4mm mas ancho cada uno que los 4430. Seguro que serian una mejoría que generación antigua de las guía de ondas de los tweeter. Usados, los 4365, con su tweeter de beryllium serian otra opción. Si quisieras optar por la opción de altavoces activos, los M2 seria la elección mas lógica. Son los altavoces que yo tengo ahora.


4365 does have not beryllium tweeter, 476mg and 045Ti-1;)

I try owned both D2430K and 476Mg and for me 476Mg sound way better than D2430K
2216Nd-1 (4367) might be better up to 800Hz than 1501Fe (4365)

4365 vs 4367, I would go for 4365

M2 is another choose, a good studio monitor
I have heard clone version of them and the weakest point in the M2 are the D2430K driver, the owner of this clone did swap the D2430K for 2450Be and they sound were better with 2450Be



Ari

[martin_wu99]

4365 does have not beryllium tweeter, 476mg and 045Ti-1;)

I try owned both D2430K and 476Mg and for me 476Mg sound way better than D2430K
2216Nd-1 (4367) might be better up to 800Hz than 1501Fe (4365)

4365 vs 4367, I would go for 4365

M2 is another choose, a good studio monitor
I have heard clone version of them and the weakest point in the M2 are the D2430K driver, the owner of this clone did swap the D2430K for 2450Be and they sound were better with 2450Be



Ari
The JBL's big progress from 4365 to 4367 is D2 driver, it directly comes from M2, but you deny it?:blink:

[Fitero]

oops...my error. :( I hoped however that some of you more knowledeable would respond. Thanks.

[richluvsound]

The JBL's big progress from 4365 to 4367 is D2 driver, it directly comes from M2, but you deny it?:blink:


I heard the 4367 -D2 in Munich .... I sat down for a few minutes and listened :crying: the smile slipped from my face ..... Fu----- awful !

[1audiohack]

The JBL's big progress from 4365 to 4367 is D2 driver, it directly comes from M2, but you deny it?:blink:

You can also put me on this list. If I liked the 4367 more than my 4365’s I would have a pair.

I have tried hard to love the D2/M2 but I just don’t.

Barry.

[hlaari]

The JBL's big progress from 4365 to 4367 is D2 driver, it directly comes from M2, but you deny it?:blink:


yes, I do
they might have said at D2 were big progress from 4365 to 4367 but that does not sound like that in my ears
the 4" compression drivers like the 476Mg/Be are in another league

I am wondering, have you heard any of this monitors like 4365 or 4367?



Ari

[alpina]

Sorry ... but the error of the translation was the google's own automatic translator ... anyway, the translation of Mate Fitero is correct.
PD:Yes, I would look for something of the same style and my 4430 and 4425 ... something old, I mean.
I have read on several occasions that these models lack high frequencies ... it is true that I am used to the BC3 spendor that I use most often, when I hear the JBL again, although it is a sound that I like more because it is more full and muscular Spendor, if it is true that the change, I notice the difference, so maybe, if I decide to change, I understand that it would be better some model to go higher on that frequency. I like, for example, the 4343 but having no chance here to listen to these models of the series 43, I do not know if it will be a substantial improvement or any other model of the series.

[Ian Mackenzie]

I friend had the Spendor Prelude which l have heard.

He added a small ribbon super tweeter which he claims is an improvement

You can hear the subtitles or unique aspects to individual recordings. This is quite obvious on vinyl. Also differences in audio electronics.

He very much has audiophile taste (a house full of expensive hifi) and he heard my 4345 clones with favourable feedback
The differences are still obvious (even more so) but the presentation is on a much bigger scale.

But my 4345 clones have many small improvements that when using hi end amplifiers makes for approaching a hi end experience. Out of the box a 4343 is fun to listen to but it’s compromised by some marketing decisions and the manufacturers assembly & parts like the crossover network, the 2121 paper dust cap and the D16R2420 diaphragm. Once you sort out these things the bones of the system have quite good potential with hi end amps, hi end active frequency dividing network and source. This is why the Japanese worship these systems. It’s because they hold the belief the 4343-4344 can play better. Guys like Kenji in Japan have capitalised on this with reproductions of these systems but they are very expensive. Some people have re invented the system with large format compression drivers. That’s a very expensive and requires considerable redesign of the original system.

I can help you modify or build a 4343-4344 with stellar audiophile experience without blowing the budget.

So something like a stock 4343-4344 is an entry point to that journey if that makes sense.

Ian

[martin_wu99]

yes, I do
they might have said at D2 were big progress from 4365 to 4367 but that does not sound like that in my ears
the 4" compression drivers like the 476Mg/Be are in another league

I am wondering, have you heard any of this monitors like 4365 or 4367?



Ari
Of course,i auditioned them several years ago at local dealer's shop in the same condition,4367 has better low end and better sound imagine than 4365, and 4365 is a little harsh.Mr.GT had said s4700 is more musical than 4365.

[martin_wu99]

You can also put me on this list. If I liked the 4367 more than my 4365’s I would have a pair.

I have tried hard to love the D2/M2 but I just don’t.

Barry.
Why?what a sorry:eek:you are unwilling to accept new things:blink:

[martin_wu99]

Sorry ... but the error of the translation was the google's own automatic translator ... anyway, the translation of Mate Fitero is correct.
PD:Yes, I would look for something of the same style and my 4430 and 4425 ... something old, I mean.
I have read on several occasions that these models lack high frequencies ... it is true that I am used to the BC3 spendor that I use most often, when I hear the JBL again, although it is a sound that I like more because it is more full and muscular Spendor, if it is true that the change, I notice the difference, so maybe, if I decide to change, I understand that it would be better some model to go higher on that frequency. I like, for example, the 4343 but having no chance here to listen to these models of the series 43, I do not know if it will be a substantial improvement or any other model of the series.
4430 is 16k at high end and 4343 is 20k high end,so the simplest way is to add 077 on 4430,many members of this forum have done this:applaud:

[alpina]

4430 is 16k at high end and 4343 is 20k high end,so the simplest way is to add 077 on 4430,many members of this forum have done this:applaud:

Sure is the cheapest...:hmm:

[alpina]

I friend had the Spendor Prelude which l have heard.

He added a small ribbon super tweeter which he claims is an improvement

You can hear the subtitles or unique aspects to individual recordings. This is quite obvious on vinyl. Also differences in audio electronics.

He very much has audiophile taste (a house full of expensive hifi) and he heard my 4345 clones with favourable feedback
The differences are still obvious (even more so) but the presentation is on a much bigger scale.

But my 4345 clones have many small improvements that when using hi end amplifiers makes for approaching a hi end experience. Out of the box a 4343 is fun to listen to but it’s compromised by some marketing decisions and the manufacturers assembly & parts like the crossover network, the 2121 paper dust cap and the D16R2420 diaphragm. Once you sort out these things the bones of the system have quite good potential with hi end amps, hi end active frequency dividing network and source. This is why the Japanese worship these systems. It’s because they hold the belief the 4343-4344 can play better. Guys like Kenji in Japan have capitalised on this with reproductions of these systems but they are very expensive. Some people have re invented the system with large format compression drivers. That’s a very expensive and requires considerable redesign of the original system.

I can help you modify or build a 4343-4344 with stellar audiophile experience without blowing the budget.

So something like a stock 4343-4344 is an entry point to that journey if that makes sense.

Ian

All this question is pure vice ... really the project of 4435 "tower", even if we add to it a tweeter 077 would be more than enough for me and my stay ... it is also what I have, therefore I am going to see market of these series 43 and we will do accounts.
PD:
I'm emptying the storage room ... and I wanted to remove 4 boxes and leave only 2 ... one comes to an age and features in his life and stays very comfortable without so much junk ...:o:

[1audiohack]

Why?what a sorry:eek:you are unwilling to accept new things:blink:

Hello Martin;

Don’t worry my friend, that is not the case at all. :)

Barry.

[hlaari]

Of course,i auditioned them several years ago at local dealer's shop in the same condition,4367 has better low end and better sound imagine than 4365, and 4365 is a little harsh.Mr.GT had said s4700 is more musical than 4365.


my opinion have nothing to do with Greg Timbers personal taste, of course he will say at the newer line are better than the older that is how the business is;)
I don´t know why he said at S4700 are more musical than 4365 much lower quality high frequency drivers than 4365
2216Nd-1 are a very good low frequency driver but there is no competition between D2430K and 476Mg, for me the 476Mg are way better sounding driver in every way


Ari

[martin_wu99]

my opinion have nothing to do with Greg Timbers personal taste, of course he will say at the newer line are better than the older that is how the business is;)
I don´t know why he said at S4700 are more musical than 4365 much lower quality high frequency drivers than 4365
2216Nd-1 are a very good low frequency driver but there is no competition between D2430K and 476Mg, for me the 476Mg are way better sounding driver in every way


Ari

What do you think about array 1400 comparing with 4365?:blink:

[Ian Mackenzie]

I imagine that most members here would prefer questions posted in English.

I'll do a very brief translation of your question, filtering out the erratum so that the knowledgeable can respond.

Alpina has 2 pair of JBL speakers in one room; a pair of 4430 in the front, and a pair of 4425 behind him.
He plays both pair at a time and likes it best this way. He would like to upgrade the 4430 to something slightly better but has a limit on width. The new speakers can't be wider than 556mm (21-7/8"+/-)wide.

His question is; what newer JBL's would be a step up for him?

M2 is the next step up

There really is nothing else that fits this profile

Dimensions (W x H x D): 20″ x 49-1/2″ x 14″ (508mm x 1256mm x 355.6mm) Weight: 129 lb.

The 4435 is a dual woofer version of the 4430

The horn and driver are identical
The woofers are more sensitive and have a bit more midrange clarity

The only other option is to source and consider the LSR6332 and the 708 series

http://www.jblpro.com/www/products/recording-broadcast/lsr6300-series/lsr6332#.W43jVKR_WEc

[martin_wu99]

Hello Martin;

Don’t worry my friend, that is not the case at all. :)

Barry.
Hi Barry,

I'm just pulling your legs:D,you are wellcome,everybody has his own taste

[hlaari]

What do you think about array 1400 comparing with 4365?:blink:


JBL 1400 Array are great sounding speaker with great horn and very good low end, they come very close to 4365 in sound but 476Mg have better sound quality over 435Al-1



Ari

[martin_wu99]

JBL 1400 Array are great sounding speaker with great horn and very good low end, they come very close to 4365 in sound but 476Mg have better sound quality over 435Al-1



Ari
If you replace 435AL-1 with 435Be,1400 maybe better than 4365
If you replace D2430 with 2450Be,4367 maybe better than 4365:D