Recommendations for 3 way JBL studio monitors with 12” woofers please

[SteveJewels]

So it looks as though I will be in Rockford for a while, long enough to resume my speaker project. It will be a few months, probably Thanksgiving until I can get the stuff out of storage so I am thinking to get a pair of speakers to have in the mean time and while I am working on my project.


I am looking for recommendations for 3 way JBL Studio Monitors with a 12” woofer. I am not familiar with the JBL Studio Monitor lines so some recommendations would be greatly appreciated, especially if you could give the basis for your recommendation.

The considerations are;
Sound quality. I’m looking for reference quality so that I have a starting point for the speakers I will build
Price Up to $1,200
Value (sound quality/price)
Resaleability, I would most likely resell them once I have completed my speaker project.


It would be a big plus if they were somewhere close enough to Rockford that I could see and hear them and pick them up rather than ship them. That being said I can be somewhat flexible as to condition if they are priced right and are one of the better examples of 3 way JBL Studio Monitors with a 12” woofer. To give an example of flexibility, there is a pair of 4312’s nearby. If they are among the better examples of SQ I would consider them at a little better price. http://chicago.craigslist.org/nwc/ele/d/jbl-4312-control-monitor/6677438929.html


I guess the first thing to establish is what 3 way JBL Studio Monitors with a 12” woofer were made and then rank them as to SQ. Once I have that list I can see what the going rate is for them and determine relative value. Then I can look seriously.

[SEAWOLF97]

It would be a big plus if they were somewhere close enough to Rockford that I could see and hear them and pick them up rather than ship them. That being said I can be somewhat flexible as to condition if they are priced right and are one of the better examples of 3 way JBL Studio Monitors with a 12” woofer. To give an example of flexibility, there is a pair of 4312’s nearby. If they are among the better examples of SQ I would consider them at a little better price. http://chicago.craigslist.org/nwc/ele/d/jbl-4312-control-monitor/6677438929.html


from another thread: bur similar theme.


Just my $.02

Have owned L65, L80t (not t3) , 4412 , and MANY others.

The L65 seemed to live up to the "sizzle & boom" rep (did not seem "musical")
L80 was NOT impressive (despite having abt same drivers as 4410, that I did like)
4412 was pretty good , but designed as a horizontal speaker

I did a comparo and slightly preferred the L166 to the 4412, Also MUCH
favored the 120Ti over all of them.

HAD 4310b (not bad) and 4312 (DidNotLike-sounded dead)

Whatever you decide, AVOID the L56 :eek:

all run with same amp/sources etc.

[brutal]

While I'm nowhere near the expert or aficionado of the greater membership here, I'm very impressed with the 4312BMKII.

Compared to 120Ti, L112, 4412, or any older paper cone tweeter studio monitor, they're amazingly accurate. 4412's are a contender, but are horizontal. Comparing side by side, the 4412's 128H LF driver bests the 2213H in the 4312 by a bit if you're an LF nut.

If you plan to use a sub, I'd consider looking for a pair of 4410A, great 10" studio monitor IMHO, just meant for smaller spaces or with a sub. Amazing imaging.

[macaroonie]

L96 / 4313 120ti L112

[BMWCCA]

L96 and 4313 are both 10-inch.

4412, 4412A, and L112 were all designed for horizontal near-field use but I've used them vertically as room speakers for over 35-years with no complaints. 4410 and L96 are both excellent 3-ways but with 10-inch woofers. Contrary to popular opinion, neither the L96 or 4410 are really much, if any, smaller than their 12-inch siblings. Go ahead and compare the dimensions of the 4410A and 4412A here (https://www.jblpro.com/pub/recording/4400.pdf) in the JBL brochure. Any of those mentioned will have excellent resale value

What kind of listening will you be doing? What kind of room? How far from the speakers? If you really want a 12-inch, then don't worry about their intended orientation unless you'll have them right in front of your face. And even then . . .

If you compare the 4410/A and L96 to their 12-inch siblings, you may not miss the extra woofer size. If you really want "monitors", I'd suggest the LSR305 powered monitors for your temporary setup. At $200, new, per pair—or a bit more for the Mk-II version—you might just find they'll do everything you want and you won't even need your amps. And you won't worry about resale because you'll never want to sell them!

[macaroonie]

[QUOTE=BMWCCA;416958]L96 and 4313 are both 10-inch.

I know that and you should know that I do. However they punch above their weight and thats why I included them. :)

[BMWCCA]

[QUOTE=BMWCCA;416958]L96 and 4313 are both 10-inch.

I know that and you should know that I do. However they punch above their weight and thats why I included them. :)
Maybe you pay for your Internet use by the word? :)
Otherwise you might have included that information in your earlier post. Or are you intentionally trying to confuse those searching the thread title in years to come?
:cheers:

[Kalle]

LSR32 https://www.jblpro.com/pages/recording/lsr32.htm
LSR6332 http://www.jblpro.com/www/products/recording-broadcast/lsr6300-series/lsr6332#.W4V9Y-gzaUk

Same speaker. Sounds great.

//Kalle

[SteveJewels]

Is there a list of JBL 43XX and 44XX speakers? I found a list for home speakers but not monitors.

I could winnow it down to those with 12" woofers.

[SteveJewels]

The list is, I believe, all JBL vintage monitors. I looked each of them or at least the famial and annotated the number of freq ranges and that size of the woofer(s).

Please help me by rating the best examples with respect to SQ for the ones that have a 12" woofer.



4200 Series
2 way 6" and 2 way 8"



4301

2 way 8"





4301B

2 way 8"





4301BE

2 way 8"





4311

3 way 12"





4311B

3 way 12"





4312A

3 way 12"





4313B

3 way 10"


Aquaplas?


4315

4 way 12"






4315B

4 way 12"





4320

3 way 15"





4331A and 4333A
2 way and 3 way 15"




4331B and 4341
2 way and 3 way 15"




4343B

4 way 15"





4345

4 way 18"





4350B

4 way, 2 - 15"




4355

4 way, 2 - 15"




4401

2 way 6 1/2"




4406

2 way 6 1/2"




4408

2 way 8"





4408AL-1







4410AR-1







4410

3 way 10"


vert line array


4410AL-1







4410AR-1







4411

3 way 12"





4412

3 way 12"




4412AL-1







4412AR-1







4425

2 way 12"





4430

2 way 15"


2235H


4435

2 way, 15" X 2

[BMWCCA]

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[Ian Mackenzie]

Hi Steve,

If you are open to looking outside the square l recommend you audition the new 708 series

Yes it’s an 8 inch loudspeaker BUT but they have jbls latest trickle down technology from the M2. So you have a current reference, they can be bought on Ebay or via an online dealer

According to the specs they extend into the 30-40 hertz range which is all you will get with the 4312 style systems

I imagine they could be sold quickly.

The only 12 inch 3 way contender l consider a reference is the LSR6332 but they are outside your budget


http://www.jblpro.com/www/products/recording-broadcast/7-series/708i#.W4Yd76R_WEc

[BMWCCA]

If you are open to looking outside the square l recommend you audition the new 708 series

Yes it’s an 8 inch loudspeaker BUT but they have jbls latest trickle down technology from the M2. So you have a current reference, they can be bought on Ebay or via an online dealer
Wow, like the little LSR305s, but all grown-up. That's a pile of technology right there!

[SEAWOLF97]

[QUOTE=macaroonie;416959]
Maybe you pay for your Internet use by the word? :)
Otherwise you might have included that information in your earlier post. Or are you intentionally trying to confuse those searching the thread title in years to come?
:cheers:

Phil; Lindsay is an experienced, helpful , longtime member here ....why do you
pull your shtick on him :dont-know:

[johnlcnm]

Steve. You forgot the LSR32's. Now the LSR6332. I think it is still in production. If you want detail, accuracy, and a load of dynamic range these have it in spades. In the past I have seen the old version, the LSR32 for under a thou. Of course all JBLs have been increasing in value over the last two years. Some by a major amount. I'm going to call it: the LSR32 with its carbon fiber fronts are Vintage!

[rusty jefferson]

I agree with Ian and suggest looking at newer designs if a reference monitor is the top consideration. The 25-40 year old monitors are tired at this point with no ability to replace diaphragms.

[speakerdave]

Steve. You forgot the LSR32's. Now the LSR6332. I think it is still in production. If you want detail, accuracy, and a load of dynamic range these have it in spades. In the past I have seen the old version, the LSR32 for under a thou. Of course all JBLs have been increasing in value over the last two years. Some by a major amount. I'm going to call it: the LSR32 with its carbon fiber fronts are Vintage!

Better than most of the vintage, I would say, and, for the present, free of collector fever pricing. In the vintage lines the 066 tweeter is possibly better; it does not appear in a monitor other than the 4313, which has a special reputation, I will note, though sadly for the present instance has only ten inches of woofer. I really like the 066 in the L212 but have not made a systematic comparison. Maybe some of the 044 series would be preferred; haven't heard them, so I don't know. The LSR tweeter could be seen as a dusted 035 and better than any naked titanium, for my money. The 505 midrange is two or three notches above anything in the LE5 series or 104 series, and if you have interest in the effects of a long midrange, having it play from 250 to 2250 Hz should be a reason for looking into this speaker. The neodymium woofer in the LSR has some of the complex voice coil, gap and cone engineering that appears in the 1400nd, 150xAL and later woofers. JBL traditionalists just need to get over the 2" voice coils in a 12" woofer (there are two of them plus a braking coil) just as they are getting over the 3" coil in the 2216nd series 15" woofers.

The speaker plays within a dB from 60Hz to 20kHz.

Of course, for the OP, collector fever pricing may be a sine qua non.

[macaroonie]

Wow , they have stellar specs. The midrange unit seems to be a hottie

Hi Fi Shark says :

https://www.canuckaudiomart.com/details/649429630-3-jbl-lsr6332-linear-spatial-reference-monitors/

[BMWCCA]

Phil; Lindsay is an experienced, helpful , longtime member here ....why do you
pull your shtick on him :dont-know:
I only replied with relevant information. Sorry that you—and Lindsay—might have taken it differently. His assumption and comment that I should know that he is aware of some fact, a bit of knowledge obscured by the language which he chose to make his point, simply called for a reply in the way he posted it. And, until now, I never knew his name!

We all know by now that we are not writing only for the moment or within our group, but for posterity supported by search engines. It's always best to clearly state what you may know but others may not. 'Scuse me for trying to be correct. Forum posts don't need to be in shorthand. Look at yourself, and your posts, from the viewpoint of others and not just yourself.
:banghead:

[SEAWOLF97]

Better than most of the vintage, I would say, and, for the present, free of collector fever pricing. In the vintage lines the 066 tweeter is possibly better; it does not appear in a monitor other than the 4313, which has a special reputation, I will note, though sadly for the present instance has only ten inches of woofer. I really like the 066 in the L212 but have not made a systematic comparison.

Dave - I share your appreciation for the 066 and that was one reason that the L166 was recommended. It is a fine 3 way - 12 inch bookshelf.

[martin_wu99]

Hi, Steve

We don't konw what speaker that you really want:confused:old school or modern?consume or monitor?horn or cone?because there are so many JBL 12'' 3 ways speakers.

Normally,LSR6332,4312SE,new L100,XPL200,4429,4412,L65 are highly appreciated

[jblnut]

No discussion of 12" 3-ways is complete without the 120Ti. Probably the best drivers of the older stuff, and a very nice looking cabinet to boot.

jblnut

[SEAWOLF97]

No discussion of 12" 3-ways is complete without the 120Ti. Probably the best drivers of the older stuff, and a very nice looking cabinet to boot.

jblnut

+1 . Mine are playing right now as I type. I'm not up on the new/whizbang stuff, but can't imagine anyone not being happy with 120's. (and YES..the teak cabs are quite nice) . I seem to like the 044Ti's sound.

IMHO, they are #2 in vintage 3 way/12 JBL's only to the unobtainium Century Golds
($5K/pr msrp :eek:)

[SteveJewels]

Hi, Steve

We don't konw what speaker that you really want:confused:old school or modern?consume or monitor?horn or cone?because there are so many JBL 12'' 3 ways speakers.

Normally,LSR6332,4312SE,new L100,XPL200,4429,4412,L65 are highly appreciated

We don't konw what speaker that you really want:confused:old school or modern?consume or monitor?horn or cone?because there are so many JBL 12'' 3 ways speakers.

Normally,LSR6332,4312SE,new L100,XPL200,4429,4412,L65 are highly appreciated[/QUOTE]

Hello Martin,

I hope that you are happy and well.

To recap, I am looking for reviews, critiques and recommendations for JBL Studio Monitors with a 12" woofer and is on this list or should be on this list based on vintage.



4311

3 way 12"


4311B

3 way 12"



4312A

3 way 12"







4315
/B

4 way 12" Out of my price range








4411

3 way 12"


4412

3 way 12"


4412AL-1




4412AR-1




4425

2 way 12"

[martin_wu99]

We don't konw what speaker that you really want:confused:old school or modern?consume or monitor?horn or cone?because there are so many JBL 12'' 3 ways speakers.

Normally,LSR6332,4312SE,new L100,XPL200,4429,4412,L65 are highly appreciated

Hello Martin,

I hope that you are happy and well.

To recap, I am looking for reviews, critiques and recommendations for JBL Studio Monitors with a 12" woofer and is on this list or should be on this list based on vintage.



4311


3 way 12"



4311B


3 way 12"



4312A


3 way 12"








4315

/B

4 way 12" Out of my price range








4411


3 way 12"



4412


3 way 12"



4412AL-1





4412AR-1





4425


2 way 12"



[/QUOTE]
You mean 12'' 43 series and 44 series?among all these monitors,4425 is the best,but it is 2 ways(4428,4429 are more better),second is 4412A, i prefer JBL black woofers than the white,because black woofers give more bass and go deeper.others are too old and are not in their conditions.
one word,you like horn:4425,you like cone:4412A

[Ian Mackenzie]

I agree with Ian and suggest looking at newer designs if a reference monitor is the top consideration. The 25-40 year old monitors are tired at this point with no ability to replace diaphragms.

I think you are the minority of late ......Lol

[martin_wu99]

We don't konw what speaker that you really want:confused:old school or modern?consume or monitor?horn or cone?because there are so many JBL 12'' 3 ways speakers.

Normally,LSR6332,4312SE,new L100,XPL200,4429,4412,L65 are highly appreciated

Hello Martin,

I hope that you are happy and well.

To recap, I am looking for reviews, critiques and recommendations for JBL Studio Monitors with a 12" woofer and is on this list or should be on this list based on vintage.



4311


3 way 12"



4311B


3 way 12"



4312A


3 way 12"








4315

/B

4 way 12" Out of my price range








4411


3 way 12"



4412


3 way 12"



4412AL-1





4412AR-1





4425


2 way 12"



[/QUOTE]

Plus:the most important thing is that it must be YOU who like it,not anybody else,so just find them and audition one by one

[SEAWOLF97]

Noting that the OP specified "studio monitors" , tho many he listed probably don't fit that
description.

Also the 4410 has been mentioned a couple of times. I HAD a pair and enjoyed them, BUT
they were an analytical monitor and NOT very musical.
The 4412 did not suffer that fate tho.

The 4312 (original) that I had was a big "nothingburger". It wasn't a real monitor nor was
it musical. It didn't last long around here. 4310 & 4311's were just commercial L100's.

IMHO - before recommendations, the need is to ascertain the purpose of the purchase.

monitor or music ? (tho in some cases they may coincide)

[rusty jefferson]

Well, sticking with vintage, how about a 2-1/2 way system with UREI 809s and sub(s)? Not as much love for the UREIs as the 43xx-44xx speakers but a new set of diaphragms and fresh capacitors in the network and you've got some good monitors.
http://www.lansingheritage.org/html/jbl/specs/pro-speakers/1995-urei-809.htm

Or the UREI 811 with the e-145 15" and 2425h, again combined with sub(s).
https://youtu.be/ol7ZmaiAAB0

[brutal]

L96 and 4313 are both 10-inch.

4412, 4412A, and L112 were all designed for horizontal near-field use but I've used them vertically as room speakers for over 35-years with no complaints. 4410 and L96 are both excellent 3-ways but with 10-inch woofers. Contrary to popular opinion, neither the L96 or 4410 are really much, if any, smaller than their 12-inch siblings. Go ahead and compare the dimensions of the 4410A and 4412A here (https://www.jblpro.com/pub/recording/4400.pdf) in the JBL brochure. Any of those mentioned will have excellent resale value

What kind of listening will you be doing? What kind of room? How far from the speakers? If you really want a 12-inch, then don't worry about their intended orientation unless you'll have them right in front of your face. And even then . . .

If you compare the 4410/A and L96 to their 12-inch siblings, you may not miss the extra woofer size. If you really want "monitors", I'd suggest the LSR305 powered monitors for your temporary setup. At $200, new, per pair—or a bit more for the Mk-II version—you might just find they'll do everything you want and you won't even need your amps. And you won't worry about resale because you'll never want to sell them!

I disagree with the statement regarding the L112. While they can play well horizontally, they were not, IMHO, "designed for horizontal near-field use" like the 4412. I bought my first pair in 1982 and JBL never marketed them as horizontal near-field monitors although either placement was covered in the user manual. Besides, why are the foilcals vertical? :)

[SteveJewels]

Thank you for the many inputs.

I have had an interest in JBL speakers, especially the 43XX and 44XX models, for a long time but I did not have specif knowledge of the models so this thread was very informative.

The 4412 series looks the most interesting so I am going to focus my investigation on them. There seems to be several models so I will start a new thread for that discussion.

[SEAWOLF97]

Thank you for the many inputs.

I have had an interest in JBL speakers, especially the 43XX and 44XX models, for a long time but I did not have specif knowledge of the models so this thread was very informative.

The 4412 series looks the most interesting so I am going to focus my investigation on them. There seems to be several models so I will start a new thread for that discussion.

I enjoyed the sound of my 4406,4410's & 4412's , but did not retain them. The 4412 & 4412A have different HF's. Can only comment on the models that I owned. 4412 has 035Ti tweeter vs. 4412A has 052Ti. I believe the 052 may be harder to replace. The 035 was used in many models and are available. The 4412A had a grey utility cabinet.

Many examples were "spaghetti wood" veneer. It seems to chip around the edges easily. Those models and presumably others in the 44xx series had flimsy, cheap , thin plastic framed grilles. I was super careful and still managed to break pegs. The grille cloth is very sheer and seems to develop holes easily.

[BMWCCA]

I disagree with the statement regarding the L112. While they can play well horizontally, they were not, IMHO, "designed for horizontal near-field use" like the 4412. I bought my first pair in 1982 and JBL never marketed them as horizontal near-field monitors although either placement was covered in the user manual. Besides, why are the foilcals vertical? :)
You are, of course, correct. I've owned my pair since new, also, and have never played them horizontally, though they are often referred to as "bookshelf" speakers. I can't imagine any bookshelf mounting that would have them vertically oriented. I should have stopped the reply at the monitors which are always pictured horizontally, even though I play all of those vertically, too!

[brutal]

You are, of course, correct. I've owned my pair since new, also, and have never played them horizontally, though they are often referred to as "bookshelf" speakers. I can't imagine any bookshelf mounting that would have them vertically oriented. I should have stopped the reply at the monitors which are always pictured horizontally, even though I play all of those vertically, too!


:cheers:

[Doctor_Electron]

Speaker Dave wrote:

"The LSR tweeter could be seen as a dusted 035 and better than any naked titanium, for my money."

Interesting. Very interesting.

This begs the question, could a naked titanium tweeter be dusted on a DIY basis? What is known about the factory process, material, etc?

Thanks, D_E

[Doctor_Electron]

Noting that the OP specified "studio monitors" , tho many he listed probably don't fit that
description.

Also the 4410 has been mentioned a couple of times. I HAD a pair and enjoyed them, BUT
they were an analytical monitor and NOT very musical.
The 4412 did not suffer that fate though

I am not questioning your evaluation of the 4410s' sound.

But technically speaking, with the 4410 and the 4412 having the same cabinet, the same crossover, same midrange, and same tweeter, what would make it too analytical and not very musical compared to the 4412?

What comes to mind is the T-S values of the 127 vs the 128 type woofers, which I expect to be very close, room interaction (?) and amplifier-speaker system interaction (?).

Puzzling.

[pos]

I have had multiple pairs of 4410 and one pair of 4412, and I had the chance to compare 4410 and 4412 side by side. I must say I was hard pressed to tell them apart in these conditions (home use at around 2m and 80dB SPL).
IMO the 4410 is at an advantage for close range listening thanks to its vertical drivers array (tighter/smaller apparent source), whereas the 4412 takes the edge at higher SPL and mid/far field listening.

[SEAWOLF97]

I am not questioning your evaluation of the 4410s' sound.

But technically speaking, with the 4410 and the 4412 having the same cabinet, the same crossover, same midrange, and same tweeter, what would make it too analytical and not very musical compared to the 4412?

What comes to mind is the T-S values of the 127 vs the 128 type woofers, which I expect to be very close, room interaction (?) and amplifier-speaker system interaction (?).

Puzzling.

4412's cab is somewhat larger. When I had them, i described the 4410 as "tight & analytical"
the 4412 was labeled (by me) as somewhat tubby bass and I preferred the L166 when doing
that formats comparison.

The 4410 mostly shares the same drivers with the L80T , which I did NOT care for. Difference ???

box & network.

[BMWCCA]

4412's cab is somewhat larger. The literature from JBL disagrees with you!

[martin_wu99]

4412's cab is somewhat larger. When I had them, i described the 4410 as "tight & analytical"
the 4412 was labeled (by me) as somewhat tubby bass and I preferred the L166 when doing
that formats comparison.

The 4410 mostly shares the same drivers with the L80T , which I did NOT care for. Difference ???

box & network.
That's why a lot of people like 4412,not 4312 series.:D
BTW,i like JBL black cone woofer than white cone too.

[BMWCCA]

That's why a lot of people like 4412,not 4312 series.:D
BTW,i like JBL black cone woofer than white cone too.
Are you basing this on aesthetics? I don't find the white 128H any different in sound output from the black 128H-1.

Perhaps Seawolf's preference for the 4410 over the 4412 would indicate that the box size is not ideal for the 128H-1 and needs to be larger? :dont-know:

I'm not denying the qualities of the 10-inch-driver based 3-ways. I love my L96 Deltas, but that's a different woofer from the 4410. I also own two pairs of L80Ts converted with T3 crossovers which do share driver complements with the 4410 . . . but I've never really been impressed by their sound. :(

[tom1040]

Not a monitor (I don't think) and not a three way but the JBL S/2600 (with 12 inch woofer) is one I really like. Three way for me with a pair of Tannoy Supertweeters.......

[Greg86z28]

I had a pair of L150s that I liked. I also had a pair of L80T3s that I really liked a lot. I would imagine the L100T3 (12" LF driver would be great sounding as well).

[SEAWOLF97]

Perhaps Seawolf's preference for the 4410 over the 4412 would indicate that the box size is not ideal for the 128H-1 and needs to be larger? :dont-know::(

back to the tech sheets .... the 4412 is 9kg heavier than the 4410. My WAG is that the 10 is
well suited for that size box, but the 12 is constrained in it :dont-know:

constrained ?? maybe that's what I hear as "tubby" , there was someone else's post that I read
on LHF that had the same description of it.


I also own two pairs of L80Ts converted with T3 crossovers which do share driver complements with the 4410 . . . but I've never really been impressed by their sound. :(

Have stated that in the past (re:L80T), and note the L80T has NO control pots ...

[BMWCCA]

Have stated that in the past (re:L80T), and note the L80T has NO control pots ...
I doubt that would help them. They're just lifeless, before and after the T3 modification. The L96 sounds alive on any type of music, without fiddling with the L-pads, but the L80T is just . . . there. I know the Titanium tweet should provide a bit more sizzle but maybe my ears have just become attuned to the 044 after nearly 40-years of listening to them. :dont-know:

[SEAWOLF97]

That's why a lot of people like 4412,not 4312 series.:D



They're just lifeless.... the L80T is just . . . there.

that is the EXACT same feeling that I experienced with the 4312's :crying: , but the 4311b
was quite lively :dont-know:

[martin_wu99]

Are you basing this on aesthetics? I don't find the white 128H any different in sound output from the black 128H-1.

Perhaps Seawolf's preference for the 4410 over the 4412 would indicate that the box size is not ideal for the 128H-1 and needs to be larger? :dont-know:

I'm not denying the qualities of the 10-inch-driver based 3-ways. I love my L96 Deltas, but that's a different woofer from the 4410. I also own two pairs of L80Ts converted with T3 crossovers which do share driver complements with the 4410 . . . but I've never really been impressed by their sound. :(
No, i mean i like JBL traditional black paper cone woofer sound! is there white 128H?:confused:i have never seen it:blink:
I also think 4412's box size is no problem :D

[BMWCCA]

No, i mean i like JBL traditional black paper cone woofer sound! is there white 128H?:confused:i have never seen it:blink:
I also think 4412's box size is no problem :D
Umm, yeah. Like all of them! 4411, L112, L150. The H1 is black.

[Malefoda]

[QUOTE=BMWCCA;416958]L96 and 4313 are both 10-inch.

I know that and you should know that I do. However they punch above their weight and thats why I included them. :)

Yes we all "know" ;) And add my vote to reconsider the 12", my 4311 away I do enjoy my 4313Ti much more!
As always, find some enthusiasts to listen for yourself before buying.

[Ed Kreamer]

Ok Steve, so here we are. What can be gathered from this discussion is that listening is personal. It depends on taste and listening habits. So if it was me, I'd go for the Lsr32/6332 with 2 subs. I know that some will say that these speakers sound "dull, lifeless, and analytical". As a classical music listener, I don't want my speakers adding or subtracting anything. I want to hear the bassoon at the right dynamics, and the violins not to shriek, unless it was recorded that way.

You did say studio monitors. Real studio monitors can be a real joy, but are also unforgiving. I have 3 4410's and listened to some recordings that have some things reveled and some that became unlistenable, and it didn't matter how old the recording was. It makes me wonder if the engineer was using the console for some other activity. Oh golly did I say that?

So there it is. What do you want to hear, and how do you want to hear it.

Have fun

Ed