Temporary stand-in for 2235H in 4430

[landiepete]

Hey folks,

what would be a good, albeit temporary replacement for the 2235h's in a 4430 ? I don't really want to 'park' my project untill some suitable 2235's turn up. Should I go for 2226 or something else(RCF, Celestion, you name it)? I'm toying with the idea of reconing some 2225's which can be found reasonably cheap, but it would add to my already impressive workload.

It would be great if I could find something that already has European distribution channels.

[audiomagnate]

2226H maybe? You can get them really cheap over here, around $130 US is typical. Churches over here use (and don't abuse) them.

[Mr. Widget]

I don't think the 2226 is a suitable substitute. The 2216Nd or 2216Nd-1 are both significant upgrades over the 2235H and would likely be able to take over the LF duties quite well.

Check out this thread: http://www.audioheritage.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?38505-2216nd-1-available


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[Ed Zeppeli]

I don't think the 2226 is a suitable substitute. The 2216Nd or 2216Nd-1 are both significant upgrades over the 2235H and would likely be able to take over the LF duties quite well.

Check out this thread: http://www.audioheritage.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?38505-2216nd-1-available


Widget

True enough, but definitely more of a permanent substitute IMO.

[Mr. Widget]

True enough, but definitely more of a permanent substitute IMO.
Agreed, but if you're dealt lemons, make lemonade. :D


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[Lee in Montreal]

Hey folks,

what would be a good, albeit temporary replacement for the 2235h's in a 4430 ? I don't really want to 'park' my project untill some suitable 2235's turn up. Should I go for 2226 or something else(RCF, Celestion, you name it)? I'm toying with the idea of reconing some 2225's which can be found reasonably cheap, but it would add to my already impressive workload.

It would be great if I could find something that already has European distribution channels.

Unless I missed something, what is wrong with your current 2235? If it's only the foam suspension that has dried up, then contact Rick Cobb for replacements.
I wouldn't go with 2226s as they are very, very different from the 2235s. 2225s are a bit closer but still different. If you have no suitable 2235 to work from, then find 2225 baskets (100% similar to the 2235 basket except fo the rear foilcal) and recone them with 2235 JBL kits.

[landiepete]

Unless I missed something, what is wrong with your current 2235?

What you missed is that it is for a project I am building (or trying to) and I find DO NOT HAVE any 2235, broken or otherwise. I find them hard to come by in this neck of the woods, and shipping them over from the US is very expensive.

On the 2216 Nd, I got a hold of the spec. Apart from them being very expensive and even harder to come by than the 2235h, I would respectfully suggest that with its fs, VAS and Qts you would be hard pressed to find a worse substitute for the 2235. I'm not denying it's ability to reproduce music (I've never heard one), but a stand-in for a 2235 it is most definitely not.

Come to think of it, a 2216 is really easy to find a substitute for.

[Dr.db]

If you have no suitable 2235 to work from, then find 2225 baskets (100% similar to the 2235 basket except fo the rear foilcal) and recone them with 2235 JBL kits.

Are you shure the original C8R2235h is still available?
Many dealers don`t seem to list them anymore....

[Lee in Montreal]

Are you shure the original C8R2235h is still available?
Many dealers don`t seem to list them anymore....

Maybe. Maybe not. Let's contact Speaker Exchange to know.
http://reconingspeakers.com/product/jbl-2235h-c8r2235-recone-kit/

Otherwise it will be difficult to find four used identical 2235h

If JBL no longer offers original recone kits, then it's the perfect excuse to go with some aftermarket kits. They are cheap anyway, so not a big risk.
http://reconekits.com/jbl2235hreconekit.aspx

[Odd]

Two 2235 is enough in 4430

They are not for sale every day in Europe, but with a little patience you can find them.

[Lee in Montreal]

Two 2235 is enough in 4430

Oups. You're correct. I was thinking 4435... ;-)

[Lee in Montreal]

I'm toying with the idea of reconing some 2225's which can be found reasonably cheap, but it would add to my already impressive workload

This is mostly likely the best alternative to finding a set of original 2235...
Cleaning up a basket properly takes less than an hour (cutting the old cone, removing all the old glue at the spider and suspension, cleaning up the magnet gap with some gummy tape). Fitting a cone kit then takes 15 minutes. That's not much.

In the worst case scenario, we're talking 3 hours in a lifetime.
2225 baskets are plenty and cheap as nobody wants them. Everyone has turned to the 2226 for sound reinforcement these days.

[landiepete]

A very nice gentleman from Finland is helping me procure a pair of 2225s to help me along. Finlande, douze points.

[landiepete]

I have also purchased a speaker design program called Winspeakerz. It has a magnificent database you can sort through (and amend) to find chassis with comparable specs to the 2235. Problem solved !

[berga12]

Evaluate also e140 basket+magnet, the gap is a bit closer and you'll get a bit more efficiency,but at the end are the same as 2225.

if you need support I've 4 of them at home, always thinking to recone them into 2234h aftermarket kit (with no mass ring like in the 4435).

[lordoflight]

have used an aftermarket a 2235 recone kit from SS audio on a E140 basket and is working like a charm. However I used a mass ring

[berga12]

You build up mass ring by your own?

[Allanvh5150]

Although the 2235 cone fits in an E140 frame, the combination is a long way from being a 2235. The E140 magnet is quite a lot bigger for starters, 7/8" thick compared to 3/4" for the 2235. 2225 frame with a 2235 cone kit is the best way to go. 2225's are cheap and the 2235 kits are still available new fro JBL.

Allan.

[lordoflight]

You build up mass ring by your own?
I bought the mass ring from ebay.

[lordoflight]

Although the 2235 cone fits in an E140 frame, the combination is a long way from being a 2235. The E140 magnet is quite a lot bigger for starters, 7/8" thick compared to 3/4" for the 2235. 2225 frame with a 2235 cone kit is the best way to go. 2225's are cheap and the 2235 kits are still available new fro JBL.

Allan.

I read that using a 51g mass ring in this configuration will settle the deal. You say that I did wrong using those baskets? Will I have an improvement is I would use real 2235's? Would the bass response differ?

Thanks

[Ed Zeppeli]

I read that using a 51g mass ring in this configuration will settle the deal. You say that I did wrong using those baskets? Will I have an improvement is I would use real 2235's? Would the bass response differ?

Thanks

Pretty hard to determine given you've used a different (spec. wise) basket and an aftermarket cone kit. The one thing that can be said with near certainty is that the speakers will not sound as JBL intended/designed.

If you're happy with it though, that's what counts.

Cheers,

Warren