My 4351 Build

[quindecima]

It looks like time has evolved around to the last set of speakers I will be able to build. I'd like to go out and get a pair of M2's but that's not going to happen, that being said I have just about gathered all of the transducers and drivers for a 4351 build. Can't get the 4355's into my space but the verticle 4351's are another story. I have a pair of 2435's coming and another pair on order, 2405's will be here Tuesday and the 2202's will be coming up from Vegas. I have the 2445's and horns here (darn heavy) and the 4355 foilcals from Italy. Cardboard ports are coming from Canada. Network is coming. It's time to get with the program and start on the cabs. Stay tuned all you are on the edge of your chairs with rapt attention for future episodes and feel free to comment on the build the way you think it should be done for until the wood is cut and mitered I am open to all input. :blah:

[JeffW]

You using the layout that the guy from BC used (Focalguy I think?)

[quindecima]

Yes and he used the plans from SAEMAN I think

[quindecima]

I got these in the mail today from Italy. I compared them to my 4345 foilcals from sign-shop. They are pretty nice, I don't know if they are supposed to be white instead of silver but everything else is pretty good. They just need to be transferred to a thin piece of aluminum. I asked him to make me a pair with 4351 in the lettering and he said he could. Sorry about the poor pic quality, I sold my Canon stuff to get audio stuff. :crying:

[ARMED]

do you have his email? to contact him direct... I know he sells @ epay...
im trying to get some stuff done also, if you have it pls let me know:)

[quindecima]

I only delt with him thru Epay

[tjm001]

do you have his email? to contact him direct... I know he sells @ epay...
im trying to get some stuff done also, if you have it pls let me know:)
His name is Paolo Gibertoni
I sent his email via PM

Tom

[Challenger604]

His name is Paolo Gibertoni
I sent his email via PM

Tom

Hi Tom,
i sent an email to his friend! He may get back to me with the email...
I'll get back to you then...

[quindecima]

I got the 2202's today and the 2405's a few days ago, they look nice both from reputable audio perverts and I expect all my 2235's here by the end of the month, plus I have the 2445J's with the horns and I also got a good deal on a pair of lenses they are marked L91 instead of the 2308 but WTH they are the same thing. Am I in the upper echelon of audio wonderfulness or what?

[quindecima]

My 5in. Yazoo mills tubes got here today. If anybody needs 5in.cardboard port tubes let me know I will have extras, these are heavy duty almost 1/4 wall.

[Challenger604]

My 5in. Yazoo mills tubes got here today. If anybody needs 5in.cardboard port tubes let me know I will have extras, these are heavy duty almost 1/4 wall.


Right on Larry!! Getting closer! I'm so happy for ya! Sorry for the tubes but the shipping is the killer!!!
Man oh man!! It's an other world you are getting into!!! You'll see! Can't wait for your first impression!
Congrats!
C

[quindecima]

I got these in the mail today from the guys in Italy along with a 2202H decal I was missing VERY nice.

[quindecima]

FedEx delivered (2) 2235's today, I should have the others in a couple of weeks and I am progressing on the cabs. As soon as I start to assemble the cabs I will post a few pics.

[Challenger604]

FedEx delivered (2) 2235's today, I should have the others in a couple of weeks and I am progressing on the cabs. As soon as I start to assemble the cabs I will post a few pics.

From Kev Larry?

[quindecima]

Yes, That is who I got them from. Two more to come soon. They look good. I like dealing with him, I send him money he sends me speakers.

[Challenger604]

Yes, That is who I got them from. Two more to come soon. They look good. I like dealing with him, I send him money he sends me speakers.

Very nice person, very reliable.
C

[ARMED]

My 5in. Yazoo mills tubes got here today. If anybody needs 5in.cardboard port tubes let me know I will have extras, these are heavy duty almost 1/4 wall.are the 4333 5 inches or 4? if its 5 ill take it...

[quindecima]

I believe the ports for the 4333A are 4in. long and 4in. across. I have 4in. port material if you need it just let me know.

[spirou38]

I believe the ports for the 4333A are 4in. long and 4in. across. I have 4in. port material if you need it just let me know.

Yes, I just measured and you are right :D and the total lenght including front face is about 4"1/4 ( nearly 108 mm ).

[quindecima]

Waiting to go to Portland to pick up my son from his honeymoon so I decided to make the port tubes. I really don't think it makes a hill of beans that they are angled but went ahead anyway. It may make a diff. on the 4355's but I don't think it does on these. I hot glued them together and will clean up the seams after it sets up a bit.

[Challenger604]

Waiting to go to Portland to pick up my son from his honeymoon so I decided to make the port tubes. I really don't think it makes a hill of beans that they are angled but went ahead anyway. It may make a diff. on the 4355's but I don't think it does on these. I hot glued them together and will clean up the seams after it sets up a bit.

Oh no it does Larry!
If they were straight, you would not have been able to have long enough! Even on the 4351.
Its with the length that you tune up the speaker...

i'm not sure if hot glue will be strong enough.

I would apply around construction glue. LP glue. You'll find it at Home Depot.

C

[quindecima]

I have Moisture curing glue that I use, if it's not strong enough I can make up another pair using that.

[focalguy]

I have Moisture curing glue that I use, if it's not strong enough I can make up another pair using that.

I can t wait to see your baffle design! Another awesome project.

[quindecima]

I can t wait to see your baffle design! Another awesome project.


Probably going to be like yours except for the port placement.

My last pair of 2235's are on the way!

[quindecima]

They arrived today, the last pair of 2235's :bouncy:

[Challenger604]

They arrived today, the last pair of 2235's :bouncy:

That was quick!

[quindecima]

Yeah, they got here a day earlier than I thought they would. Close to having everything cut out.

[quindecima]

Yeah, they got here a day earlier than I thought they would. Close to having everything cut out. I have everything stacked up in my gun, fly fishing, reloading, bow and arrow and amp rebuilding room, tough to get around.

[quindecima]

Time to start assembling. I assembled the Dog houses today and will start cutting out the baffles tomorrow.

[quindecima]

More pics

[Challenger604]

More pics

Here you go!
Having fun yet?
Can't wait to see the assembly!

[quindecima]

As soon as I get the baffles cut out I am going to make a jig for the Dog House and cut that out then I am going to install the toe kick on the bottom then make sure the dog house fits correctly but before I glue that in place I am going to assemble the top, sides and baffle and glue the crap out of them then I will slip the Dog house into place and the rest is pretty easy except for making the fronts those are not that easy to make.

[berga12]

I got these in the mail today from the guys in Italy along with a 2202H decal I was missing VERY nice.


I've the same for 4355

he is a friend of mine, I supported him with the main file as close as possible to original, looks fine to me.

I Just need to build a flat aluminium support :bouncy:

[quindecima]

I've the same for 4355

he is a friend of mine, I supported him with the main file as close as possible to original, looks fine to me.

I Just need to build a flat aluminium support :bouncy:

I am looking for that too and found some on Ebay but have not ordered any , I couldn't get any of them to measure the thickness of the aluminum. All they would say is "it's very thin"

[quindecima]

Any ideas on port placement? These are my choices. 5" ports

[grumpy]

Aesthetically, I like the ocarina-look of the one on the left.

I think (a dangerous pastime, I know) I'd avoid putting a port at an obvious peak/null node
in-cabinet, which this probably does when the doghouse is considered.

[quindecima]

O.K. which is the left one? they look vertical to me and how in the heck do you get a Ocarina look out of those?

[quindecima]

On close examination I see what you mean and the other is going to be directly below the dog house so probably number one or two and more than likely number two

[quindecima]

Todays exploits. I'm having a brewski.

[grumpy]

Lol, on my phone they appear in vertical sequence, so the top one was "left" for me earlier.

[berga12]

will you be using 6 vents or 2 vents version (like 4355?), if it's the second case, you should call them 4356 :p

[JeffW]

The middle pic shares the same symmetry as the 3 ea ports in the "original".

[1audiohack]

I am looking for that too and found some on Ebay but have not ordered any , I couldn't get any of them to measure the thickness of the aluminum. All they would say is "it's very thin"

The front badges on my 4350's are 0.033" thick. Is this what you are after or the foilcal's on the baffle?

Barry.

[quindecima]

The front badges on my 4350's are 0.033" thick. Is this what you are after or the foilcal's on the baffle?

Barry.


The foilcals on the baffle

[quindecima]

The middle pic shares the same symmetry as the 3 ea ports in the "original".

That's the one I decided to use.

[quindecima]

will you be using 6 vents or 2 vents version (like 4355?), if it's the second case, you should call them 4356 :p

But the symmetry lends itself to the 4351 more than the 4355.

[JeffW]

I think he meant 4350 w/6 vents become 4351, 4355 w/2 vents would be 4356

[quindecima]

Well, it's too late now I had the guys in Italy make foilcals with 4351 on them, I hope I can sleep tonight. :lol_fit:On second thought those were so cheap I can probably have them make another pair.

Here's where we are today. I cut the ports out and rabbitted the back of them out 3/16x1/4 so the cardboard tubes would recess into the hole. Then I marked and drilled the HF driver holes, those puppies are REALLY heavy I am going to give some thought on how to support them. I could make a metal frame to attach to the driver bolt holes but that still puts a lot of weight at the rear. :dont-know:

[berga12]

Keep 4351 I was Just joking!

your 435...6 will look super!!!! Finishing? Jbl Classic?

[1audiohack]

The foilcals on the baffle

Sorry to say mine are gone as well.

Barry.

[quindecima]

Keep 4351 I was Just joking!

your 435...6 will look super!!!! Finishing? Jbl Classic?

Walnut veneer, same as my 4345's

[richluvsound]

I got these in the mail today from the guys in Italy along with a 2202H decal I was missing VERY nice.

Hi , could you give me the contact details of the guys in Italy for the foilcals please ?

.... Good luck with the project ...

Best Wishes , Rich

[quindecima]

Hi , could you give me the contact details of the guys in Italy for the foilcals please ?

.... Good luck with the project ...

Best Wishes , Rich


http://www.ebay.com/itm/JBL-4313B-4333-4333B-4355-FOILCAL-LABEL-DECAL-STICKER-/162080690727?

[quindecima]

Todays highlights. I was going to use clear fir but I would have had to taken a second out on my house so I used kiln dried 2x4 that I cut down a 1/2 inch instead so I have a 3in. kick. I may cover it with a 1x4 of clear fir, MUCH cheaper! As usual I glued the crap out of them.
I also drilled the holes for the 2405's. Next I am going to install inserts for the speaker clamps, I hate those T nuts that JBL used so I have some 1/4x20 inserts and will cut the bolts down so they are not so long after that I believe I will be ready for assembly.

[richluvsound]

http://www.ebay.com/itm/JBL-4313B-4333-4333B-4355-FOILCAL-LABEL-DECAL-STICKER-/162080690727?


Thats really kind .

Many thanks .

Richard

[quindecima]

Today I drilled the holes for the speaker tabs and installed the inserts and cut out the last two ports. The inserts are WAYYYYY above what JBL used. They do not supports anything anyway the holes are cut so close that the speakers fit snug and the speaker tabs are only to keep them from falling forward. I also covered the 2x4 supports with some 3/4 clear fir. I'm going to assemble on thur. if everything goes well.

[quindecima]

Don't try to assemble one of these by yourself. I looked at the panels and said "I can do this" Well, I did but it was a chore. I waited on the second one until my son came over and we had that thing together in nothing flat. now onto bracing, making the back, etc.

[Vahe Sahakian]

Mine are even taller than yours, big & ugly, but I never cared for the horizontal arrangements of 15” woofers in larger JBL monitors, be it 4350, Everest or whatever.
I stacked the 2235’s in vertical alignment with separate 5 cu. ft. enclosures for each, used ¾” birch plywood and ¾” particle board glued and screwed resulting in 1 ½” thick sidewalls, zero resonance, feels like concrete, but these are heavy as hell.

Vahe

[quindecima]

Post a pic of those puppies, I would like to see them!

[Vahe Sahakian]

More like 800 pound gorillas.

Vahe

[quindecima]

Have your wife take a pic with you standing beside them so we can get a perspective. They look nice.

[quindecima]

Here is how I solved the vhf mounting problem. I could have made a metal bracket and secured it too the top of the cabs but I did not like that, if left a great deal of weight at the rear of the driver unsupported so I made a small fir bracket and glued it to the support of the bottom of the dog house. I have some 1x3's to install on the sides and the rear and that will be the end of that. I can't install the ones on the back until I get the network and see how wide they need to be.

[Vahe Sahakian]

Have your wife take a pic with you standing beside them so we can get a perspective. They look nice.

My wife is of the opinion that I am too ugly to be featured on the Internet, so here are the dimensions;

36” wide (left to right)
55” high (top to bottom)
Top of speaker is at 64” measured from the floor in that picture.

Vahe

[Chas]

Vahe, is that a quarter inch TRS jack next to the UHF? Very cool looking system. I wouldn't call it ugly!:bouncy:

on second thought, I guess it's an LPad.

[quindecima]

I got my custom foilcals from the guys in Italy and sourced some thin Aluminum for them, it can be cut with a paper cutter. If anybody needs some I have extra.

[tjm001]

I got my custom foilcals from the guys in Italy and sourced some thin Aluminum for them, it can be cut with a paper cutter. If anybody needs some I have extra.
I was thinking of doing same with my L300 labels I got from him, but I can't come up with a way to cut the perfect 5/8 inch diameter holes perfectly spaced 2 and 1/4 inches apart. Years ago I used to use a chassis punch die to put holes in thicker aluminum, but I'm stumped on doing it with scissor thin sheets. Any ideas? Thanks.
Tom

[quindecima]

I used a drill press W/1/2in drill very slowly and put them in a vice and used a small 1/2 round file to clean the holes up.

[tjm001]

I used a drill press W/1/2in drill very slowly and put them in a vice and used a small 1/2 round file to clean the holes up.
Thanks. Are the finished diameters of the holes in your labels also 5/8 inch and are you doing this with the labels already attached to the aluminum sheet?
Tom

[quindecima]

Yes 5/8. I did the first one not attached and the second one attached. No difference is labor.

[quindecima]

Yes 5/8. I did the first one not attached and the second one attached. No difference is labor. The problem with those foilcals is getting them on with nothing underneath, even fly poop will show.

[JeffW]

I have some hole cutters called Rotabroach, they are similar to hole saws but no tooth set and a lot wider cutting tooth. Anyway, they make clean holes in thin metal - but you need a whole set up to make 'em go.

[quindecima]

Painted, two coats of primer, two coats of JBL blue. I was going to install walnut strips on the inside edge of the cabs but I hardly ever have the grill off so I decided to save some effort and painted them.

[NWCgrad]

They look fantastic with the JBL blue baffles.

[quindecima]

A thousand thanks, now on to the veneer I'm thinking about using titebond instead of contact, any input on that?

[ARMED]

are you going to leave the front nose squared? or is it angled?

[quindecima]

There is a Walnut trim that is attached. right angled with two 1/8 indents and angled from there.

[focalguy]

A thousand thanks, now on to the veneer I'm thinking about using titebond instead of contact, any input on that?

Use the titebond.... the contact will fail in a few years after a the temp. cycles. I use titebond III... its the best you can buy.

and this is how your living room will look like soon! I sneaked them in when my wife wasnt home...needed a refrigerator dolly!

[ARMED]

There is a Walnut trim that is attached. right angled with two 1/8 indents and angled from there.thanks man, im about to start my 4333b build, did you staple it? or just plain glue

[quindecima]

NO staples, I use Titebond and a brad nailer

[quindecima]

I don't know why the one looks like it has dark spots in the pic, must be a shadow.

[focalguy]

I don't know why the one looks like it has dark spots in the pic, must be a shadow.

Looks great.... dont forget the cross brace between the 15 inch drivers, from baffle to back panel.

[quindecima]

Looks great.... dont forget the cross brace between the 15 inch drivers, from baffle to back panel.

Thanks for the heads up on that.

[quindecima]

Grills are done, they are the hardest part of the build. 6 hours to make them. I didn't make them in an upper or lower although they do look better that way. I did them like my 4345's. This isn't a JBL clone so I decided to take some license, notice the 2202 is not lined up with the upper 2235 although in retrospect I do believe it looks better that way but these are going to look fine like they are. So close to being done just need the networks and the grill cloth.

[quindecima]

Foilcals are made and installed and I have the Cork cutouts for the speakers. Sorry about the dust.........SOON

[quindecima]

Grills covered

[1audiohack]

Those are gorgeous! Very good work!

Barry.

[quindecima]

Tnx Barry, soon those 2202's I got from you will be performing some good tunes.

[focalguy]

Just wanted to share my new page showcasing my builds from the last few years and welcome comments.. Please watch the videos too!
https://www.facebook.com/KangSound-1252894348055546/

[quindecima]

Thanks I looked at them very, very nice work my congrats to you for the fine job you did.

[quindecima]

I thought I would attach these for a little bling.

[laszlo]

Congratulations!
It looks insanely good.
What fabrics do you use?

[quindecima]

I got the stuff off of Epay from they guy who sells all the JBL Fabric.

[JeffW]

I got the stuff of of Epay from they guy who sells all the JBL Fabric.

He sells it slightly cheaper if you message him here. Just a couple of bucks less, but it's nice stuff.

http://www.audioheritage.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?30261-JBL-Blue-and-Black-Grille-Cloth-(2011)&p=383826&viewfull=1#post383826

[quindecima]

The networks are done. They are very nice I cannot take credit for doing them. I just got done marking out the back of the cabinet to fit them and then I will drill for the fasteners on the door and paint the back panel. Next to install the L pads in the front and install the speakers themselves. Very, very close.

[quindecima]

Today I cut out the back for the network and drilled the holes for it and drilled all around for the fasteners for the back. I am going to install inserts and will get them tomorrow. I also installed bracing on the back, not much room there because of the mid box and the bracing for the woofers but I got some on. I have a 5235 and a 5234A that I am thinking about using but will listen without first and see what it sounds like. I hope to be done with everything and listening by the end of this week. tomorrow for paint. :bouncy:

[Challenger604]

Today I cut out the back for the network and drilled the holes for it and drilled all around for the fasteners for the back. I am going to install inserts and will get them tomorrow. I also installed bracing on the back, not much room there because of the mid box and the bracing for the woofers but I got some on. I have a 5235 and a 5234A that I am thinking about using but will listen without first and see what it sounds like. I hope to be done with everything and listening by the end of this week. tomorrow for paint. :bouncy:


That will be crappy without any frequency divider...
I can't wait to see the final product!

[JeffW]

I thought I would attach these for a little bling.

When you attach your grill cloth on these thick frames, do you have a seam along the corner?

http://www.audioheritage.org/vbulletin/attachment.php?attachmentid=73345&stc=1&d=1472227378

[quindecima]

No seam on corner, you have to practice the 4345's I did were not as nice on the corners.

[quindecima]

Almost done this is a typical back, I just need to install the inserts around the edge. I'll do that tomorrow time to start soldering and wiring the L pads.

[quindecima]

That will be crappy without any frequency divider...
I can't wait to see the final product!

I have to look at the manual and see how they hook up before I jump on them.

[Challenger604]

I have to look at the manual and see how they hook up before I jump on them.

With the 5234A or 5235? It's pretty easy. Do you have the right cards?

without freq divider, you will have some sound but nothing compare with the FD. The 2202 don't move much with the FD...

send me an email if you have any question...

[quindecima]

Yes the cars are correct for ea. one. I'll give you a email later on if I need any help but I think I can figure it out.

[Challenger604]

Yes the cars are correct for ea. one. I'll give you a email later on if I need any help but I think I can figure it out.
No problem!
C

[quindecima]

So far today the inserts are all installed and the tweets are installed. notice on my foilcal the 4351 lettering. and I was almost ready to pop for the sign-shop knobs but saw this auction on Epay for two pair from Russia for only twenty some odd dollars, I figured WTH I can chance it once and according to Epay they are on the way by Yak or whatever mode of transportation they have there.

[quindecima]

Well, it looks like it's thumbs down for this weekend, It looks like I only ordered enough speaker mounting tabs for one speaker or I forgot where I put the others it's been so long, anyway I can't find them, I'll have to order 12 more to finish up. :crying: :crying: :banghead: My phone does not take pics like my Canon 50D

[berga12]

Use only 2 for every speakers and let them play ,in the meantime you order the remaining or find them!

4351 are beautiful

[quindecima]

Duhhh, that idea never came to me. I'll probably have them Monday or tue. I was going to use the foam crap that comes with the speaker mounting kit but decided to buy some cork and make rings for all the speakers to mount on and I also lined the back of the rear panel to seal it from the cab.

[quindecima]

FINALLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Happy days, everybody NEEDS a pair of these. Opening gambit, Steve Ray, Clapton and Money, I'm going to play the bass line for Money at my annual 4th of July party.

[srm51555]

They look awesome.

[quindecima]

They sound awesome also. I only need a little volume on these, I can't imagine what they would sound like turned up. I'll have to wait until nobody is home and I have a little of the grape.

[JeffW]

Congrats of getting them done, that's no small build.

[Challenger604]

Great job Larry! Look so good!
Enjoy!!!

[berga12]

So, how they sound compared to the 4345 you had? Now it seems you are one of the first with a real comparison.

to me, the mid high of a 4350-55 is superior to 4343-4345.... and the low end? I never hear a 2245h...

two 2235h should sound more quick, with more impact,more precise, but less "thunderstorm" low end.



It's the picture of the Cone holders are not simmetric?
Great job indeed, the first 43...56 :);)

[quindecima]

They sound better than my 4345's but I did not have them bi-amped so it's probably not a fair judgment. They highs are clearer and there is larger bass. I'm going to listen to some of my classical this weekend and try and see what the difference is. I have the Red Violin and Yo-Yo Ma plays Ennio Morricone. That will give me some upper register and very good bass. I remember the 4345's were outstanding with those two recordings.

I thought I laid out the fasteners pretty well but once the speakers are mounted it shows. I'll get over it.

[srm51555]

They sound awesome also. I only need a little volume on these, I can't imagine what they would sound like turned up. I'll have to wait until nobody is home and I have a little of the grape.

Nothing better than listening in a empty house. Let us know which one of the decorative plates falls off the wall first.:D.

[ngccglp]

I had 4345 and now 4350. The 4345 have better imaging and the Drivers seem to integrate better. But the 4350 has better scale and slam.

[quindecima]

I just finished listening to the Yo-Yo Ma album. The highs and the mids are much better than I remember on my 4345's but the bass was not as hard hitting but still very good. I'm now listening to 'the Very Best of Grappelli and Menuhn'

coming up Led Zep II re-mastered and Crucial Slide guitar Blues and Buddy Guy. This is a tough call not being able to A and B the speakers but over all I have to give it to the New pair.

After many hours of listening and contemplating I definitely have to give it to the 4351's. The LZ was really outstanding, I did get some really good bass from the sound track "The Red Violin" that was the equal of what I remember from the 4345's but the mids and highs were much superior IMHO and everybody in my house said they sounded better. I still haven't been able to get everybody out for a real definitive test yet but soon. I have to deal with my wife who when she came home after I got my 4345's together started in on me about how loud they were and my granddaughter and kids. I am still hampered by not bi-amping the 4345's and not having the room to really A/B them but all in all I am very happy I built them. I don't know how much better the M2's and the 66000 series can possibly be.

[Challenger604]

I just finished listening to the Yo-Yo Ma album. The highs and the mids are much better than I remember on my 4345's but the bass was not as hard hitting but still very good. I'm now listening to 'the Very Best of Grappelli and Menuhn'

coming up Led Zep II re-mastered and Crucial Slide guitar Blues and Buddy Guy. This is a tough call not being able to A and B the speakers but over all I have to give it to the New pair.


Did you plug your FD?
I'm a big fan of Grapelli!...

[quindecima]

Not yet, I just ordered the XLR connectors from Epay (at a pretty nice price I might add) I should have it working by this coming weekend. Did you do another pair?

[Challenger604]

Not yet, I just ordered the XLR connectors from Epay (at a pretty nice price I might add) I should have it working by this coming weekend. Did you do another pair?


Ok!
Nope. Planning this summer maybe...
C

[ARMED]

good job man!!!! ugh i am now thinking about building a 4350!!!!

[berga12]

I still have in my mind

1x2245h
2202h
2441
2405

4346...or...4352 :blink:

cutting always to 250hz between 18" and 12".

[quindecima]

good job man!!!! ugh i am now thinking about building a 4350!!!!

The 4355's are easier to build but still no small chore make no mistake they are big if you don't have room for them in their original configuration you better do as I did and they are bi-amp only.

[quindecima]

The L-pad knobs that I ordered from Russia arrived today, the only difference from the ones that Sign-shop sells is that they have a glossy finish instead of satin. Saved myself a bunch of money there.

[quindecima]

Now that I have listened to these 4355 clones for a few weeks to everything from classical to blues I have to admit they sound a lot better than my 4345's. More clarity, others would say louder, that's true but it's the clarity that makes me happy. The mids and highs are much more defined than before. Not that I didn't like the 4345's, I did but I like these better. I don't know how much not having my 4345's bi amped contributes to this but it's too late to find out now.

[Challenger604]

Now that I have listened to these 4355 clones for a few weeks to everything from classical to blues I have to admit they sound a lot better than my 4355's. More clarity, others would say louder, that's true but it's the clarity that makes me happy. The mids and highs are much more defined than before. Not that I didn't like the 4345's, I did but I like these better. I don't know how much not having my 4345's bi amped contributes to this but it's too late to find out now.

I'm glad you like it Larry,
Congratulation!
C

[ivica]

Now that I have listened to these 4355 clones for a few weeks to everything from classical to blues I have to admit they sound a lot better than my 4345's. More clarity, others would say louder, that's true but it's the clarity that makes me happy. The mids and highs are much more defined than before. Not that I didn't like the 4345's, I did but I like these better. I don't know how much not having my 4345's bi amped contributes to this but it's too late to find out now.

Hi quindecima,

Talking about 4345 vs 4355, I would suggest to try to apply 2450 (sl diaphragm) with 2311 horn and 2308 lenses on 4345 box, and then to compare them. From my opinion in 4345, 2420&2307 is the "weakest " elements.
Regards
Ivica