2123 or 2202

[quindecima]

So what is the consensus of opinion regarding these two transducers? Which one is better sonically or is the difference so miniscule as to not make any difference.

[grumpy]

I don't know how to answer that.

i expect there would be a substantial visual (and audible) difference if substituted, one for the other.

[quindecima]

Whoops mistake 2202.

[quindecima]

I don't know how to answer that.

i expect there would be a substantial visual (and audible) difference if substituted, one for the other.

visual doesn't concern me it's audible I'm interested in and 2202 is the speaker not 2205, I made a typing error.

[Earl K]

(V)isual doesn't concern me, it's (the) audible (that) I'm interested in. (The) 2202 is the speaker (of interest), not the 2205.(,) I made a typing error.

IME;

The increased Sd of the 2202 ( @, 82 sq. inches vs the 50 sq. inches of the typical ten inch speaker ) creates a quite "audible" increase in the mid-range voicing ( of the speaker system ).

This increased cone area, when coupled with the 2202's slightly higher EBP of 278 ( vs 230 ), helps back-stop the mid-range character of the 4355 ( over say the 4345 ).

Additionally, when one also swaps out the 1.75" diaphragm ( of the 2425 ) for the larger 4" diameter diaphragm (of the 2441) , one achieves the more exaggerated mid-range-centric voicing of the 4355 speaker ( as compared to the 4345 system voicing ).

Whether these system changes "work" for you, will end up being a matter of taste ( ie; they're not for everyone ).

:)

[quindecima]

Hummmmmmmm, Laymans terms? The reason I am asking is I am done with my 4345's and would like to build another pair but am going to substitute a 2445 for the 2425 I have now, they cross at the same freq I believe, and while thinking about it I wondered if a 2202 would be an improvement over the 2123 I have now. The only problem I have is my networks are in the process of being built and the 2202 has a much different cross than the 2123, hence a problem that would be difficult to overcome and if the increase was only marginal I would discard that portion of the build. I wanted to do a pair of 4355's but I have two 2245's and acquiring the 2235's would not be financially feasible.

[Earl K]

In Laymans terms; Swapping in "the physically larger midrange devices" will give this hybrid system a more pronounced midrange character.

This will occur whether you desire it or not .

I'd want to hear these system changes before I would offer up an opinion that they were an "upgrade" ( or a down-grade ) to a stock 4345.

:)

[quindecima]

O.K. That pretty much spells it out very well. I better think this out before I do anything.

[ivica]

In Laymans terms; Swapping in "the physically larger midrange devices" will give this hybrid system a more pronounced midrange character.

This will occur whether you desire it or not .

I'd want to hear these system changes before I would offer up an opinion that they were an "upgrade" ( or a down-grade ) to a stock 4345.

:)
Hi,

On my opinion 2202 & 244x (2311+2308) produce more natural voice then 2122 & 242x (2307+2308)....

regrads
ivica

[quindecima]

How would this enter into the equation..

Giskard has stated repeatedly that he found that the 2123H to be such a close match to the 2202H ( just a couple of db less efficient ) that he simply used the N3155 schematic as the base network for his super 4345 .

accordingly I could forget about the 2202 and use the 2123's

[Earl K]

If you go with the 2202 & 2441 combo ( instead of a 10" & 2425 ) you'll ( mostly ) be able to experience some of the fuss that 4355 owners make over their "Texas Book-Shelve" sized monitors.

Twin 15's woofers have the edge ( over a single eighteen ) when it comes to surface area so I'd be looking at Bi-amping to make sure you can get the right balance.

Also, it'll be easy enough to try other 12" mid-bass units once you've taken the all important first step ( of being able to accommodate them ).

A 2206H has a different ( lower ) voice when compared to the 2202 & may be to your liking ( Barry seemed to prefer 1200Fe's in his 4355's & from the numbers, they'll have an even lower voice ) .

All these transducers are easy enough to resell if they don't float your boat ( though the hardest part is usually letting go of them ;) ).

:)

[ivica]

If you go with the 2202 & 2441 combo ( instead of a 10" & 2425 ) you'll ( mostly ) be able to experience some of the fuss that 4355 owners make over their "Texas Book-Shelve" sized monitors.

Twin 15's woofers have the edge ( over a single eighteen ) when it comes to surface area so I'd be looking at Bi-amping to make sure you can get the right balance.

Also, it'll be easy enough to try other 12" mid-bass units once you've taken the all important first step ( of being able to accommodate them ).

A 2206H has a different ( lower ) voice when compared to the 2202 & may be to your liking ( Barry seemed to prefer 1200Fe's in his 4355's & from the numbers, they'll have an even lower voice ) .

All these transducers are easy enough to resell if they don't float your boat ( though the hardest part is usually letting go of them ;) ).

:)
Hi,
I prefer 2245 sound in appropriated large box then dual 2235/34 in 4350/55.As 2202 and 244x are more efficient then dual 2234 or 2245, some tweaking have to be done...but with resistor network such operation would not be too complex.

Regards
Ivica