Peter Green Man of the World. Documentary ..70 minutes

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VC0DayWUY64

LOTS of great history, tunes

From the doc..in 1969 Peter Greens Fleetwood Mac sold more than The Beatles & Stones ..together. ?

[BMWCCA]

Thanks for the link. I'll watch it later. One of my favorites!

[SEAWOLF97]

Thanks for the link. I'll watch it later. One of my favorites!


After watching, wanted more. Logged onto our local library and found this set:

Green, Peter, guitarist
Title: The anthology

Publisher: London : Salvo/Union Square Music, 2008
Characteristics: 4 sound discs (ca. 4 hr., 30 min.) : digital ; 4 3/4 in. + 1 booklet (71 p. : ill. ; 18 cm.)

Contents: Disc 1. Evil woman blues / with John Mayall
The stumble / with John Mayall's Bluesbreakers
Sitting in the rain / with John Mayall's Bluesbreakers
The world keep on turning / with Fleetwood Mac
The supernatural / with John Mayall's Bluesbreakers
Looking for somebody / with Fleetwood Mac
Long grey mare / with Fleetwood Mac ; feat. Bob Brunning
Stop messin' around / with Fleetwood Mac
Train is coming / with Eddie Boyd & his Blues Band
Greeny / with John Mayall's Bluesbreakers
Soul dressing / with Peter B's Looners
I loved another woman / with Fleetwood Mac
No place to go / with Fleetwood Mac
You don't love me / with John Mayall's Bluesbreakers
Lazy poker blues / with Fleetwood Mac
Merry go round / with Fleetwood Mac
Trying so hard to forget / with Duster Bennett
Ramblin' pony / with Fleetwood Mac
Drifting / with Fleetwood Mac
Disc 2. Black magic woman / with Fleetwood Mac
Albatross / with Fleetwood Mac
Ain't nobody's business / with Otis Spann
Someday baby / with Otis Spann
Watch out / with Fleetwood Mac
Ooh baby / with Fleetwood Mac
Horton's boogie woogie (take one) / with Walter Horton, Otis Spann & S.P. Leary
Love that burns / with Fleetwood Mac
First train home / with Fleetwood Mac
Need your love so bad / with Fleetwood Mac
Don't goof with the spook / with Peter Bardens
The answer / with Peter Bardens
Homage to the god of light / with Peter Bardens
Oh well (part 1 and 2) / with Fleetwood Mac
Disc 3. Man of the world / with Fleetwood Mac
Before the beginning / with Fleetwood Mac
Momma don'tcha cry / Peter Green
Underway / with Fleetwood Mac
Rattlesnake shake / with Fleetwood Mac
It's gonna be me / Peter Green
White sky (love that evil woman) / with Fleetwood Mac
The green manalishi (with the two prong crown) / with Fleetwood Mac
Show-biz blues / with Fleetwood Mac
In the skies / Peter Green
Like a hot tomato / Peter Green
Whatcha gonna do? / Peter Green
Carry my love / Peter Green
Corners of my mind / Peter Green
Hidden depth / Peter Green ; feat. Zoot Money
Disc 4. Big change is gonna come / with Splinter Group
I'm a steady rollin' man / with Nigel Watson & Splinter Group ; feat. Otis Rush
It takes time / with Splinter Group
Don't walk away / with Splinter Group
Heart of stone / with Splinter Group
Love in vain blues / with Nigel Watson & Splinter Group
From four until late / with Nigel Watson & Splinter Group ; feat. Dr. John
I'm ready for you / with Splinter Group
Cruel contradictions / with Dick Heckstall-Smith
Me and the devil blues / with Nigel Watson & Splinter Group
Cross road blues / with Nigel Watson & Splinter Group ; feat. Buddy Guy
Dead shrimp blues / with Nigel Watson & Splinter Group' ; feat. Hubert Sumlin
Travelling riverside blues / with Nigel Watson & Splinter Group ; feat. Joe Louis Walker & Honey Boy Edwards
Time keeps slipping away / with Splinter Group
Look out for yourself / with Splinter Group
Albatross / with Chris Coco

Peter comes across as a doddler in the Youtube vids..a bit hard to understand.

Do you also enjoy Chicken Shack & Free , Phil ?

[BMWCCA]

Free was my favorite back in high-school. Of course I fell for "The Voice", Paul Rodgers, but I was also mesmerized by the bass playing of Andy Frasier. Certainly one of the finest bass-players of that era. I accepted Kossof's guitar playing but in retrospect it was a perfect minimalist accompaniment to the rest of the group.

Have you checked out your library's Peter Green set or do they have it in digital form on-line? I wonder how good it is. I see it on Amazon but it's a bit pricey (oddly, it's about 1/3 the price on Amazon Canada):

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/71yYFug%2B3LL._SL1240_.jpg



I have one of Green's Splinter Group CDs which is mostly fantastic.

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Have you checked out your library's Peter Green set or do they have it in digital form on-line? I wonder how good it is. I see it on Amazon but it's a bit pricey :
I have one of Green's Splinter Group CDs which is mostly fantastic.

The lib has it online, but I'd prefer the CD's (I'm in line for them) , will post here about the quality when I receive it, also put holds on:

Blues Don't Change
By Peter Green Splinter Group

Me & the Devil
By Green, Peter

Then Play on
By Fleetwood Mac (Musical group)
(have read that TPO parts 1 & 2 were reversed)

All Points Bulletin
By Dispatch (Musical group) (to get some Phil Keaggy , who also was highly recommended)

try some Chicken Shack ? http://www.audioheritage.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?37710-Chicken-Shack&p=384800&viewfull=1#post384800


Sure, Chicken Shack. I was/am a fan of the earlier Fleetwood Mac and Chicken Shack was Christine Perfect's employment before that outfit and her marriage to John McVie. By the time of this recording the Shack had become quite influenced by the inspirations and playing of the great Peter Green. The vocals and guitar work are obviously so here. Some of Chicken Shack's work was also influenced by F/M's Danny Kirwan, like here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=51yWnDOryQo

Danny Kirwan came from Boilerhouse, and Green, Fleetwood and McVie from John Mayall's Bluesbreakers. There was a lot of Blues talent in the UK in those days and Green's echos were all over it. The Chicago Blues hit the UK very, very hard and we are all the better for it. Remember Led Zeppelin's "Tea For One"? To this day, Peter Green was the best guitarist I have ever heard and his vocals were just as soulful.

[Ducatista47]

"Oh Well" parts one and two were reversed by the record company, yes. I have the Anthology and I like it. Like most anthologies of anyone I am crazy about, it is good as far as it goes. Which is far enough for the more casual listener. As an example, one song from The End Of The Game was not enough for me.

If you are not familiar with Green's work with The Splinter Group and after, know that he sings very well but is a very different guitarist than he was in the Sixties and Seventies. The drug disaster in Germany and its aftermath cut deeply.

Being a fan of Fleetwood Mac after Green, I sometimes lament the short shrift streaming services and CD catalogs give to the releases after Then Play On and before the Buckingham-Nicks era. Not to mention that Time, by the best band lineup after Kirwan left, is not even mentioned in the record company's listings. Detested by critics and most fans, it sold poorly. It is the only non Buckingham-Nicks release after 1974. Bekka Bramlett was the most talented female singer the band ever had. Dave Mason was in the lineup too. You have to jump a few hurdles to get any of this stuff. There is one uncredited Peter Green guest performance in the "between" time, some spare guitar lines on one song, and it is lost in the barely available era.

[SEAWOLF97]

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It's very nice. but covers of classic blues, not his original work.

A little jazzy, not so much bluesy, but very listenable with good dynamics.

http://www.amazon.com/Blues-Dont-Change-Peter-Green/product-reviews/B007XNAQA6/ref=cm_cr_pr_btm_link_1?ie=UTF8&showViewpoints=1&sortBy=recent&pageNumber=1

[BMWCCA]

Being a fan of Fleetwood Mac after Green, I sometimes lament the short shrift streaming services and CD catalogs give to the releases after Then Play On and before the Buckingham-Nicks era. Not to mention that Time, by the best band lineup after Kirwan left, is not even mentioned in the record company's listings.
These were always my favorites and coincide with my "formative" years of high-school . . . and beyond.

Not sure what to think of Time, as in whether or not I should add it to my collection, or not for an investment of less than ten-bucks.

So far this year I've enlightened my daughters by showing that most Christmas songs were written by Jews. Now I've shown them that one of their Dad's favorite Bluesmen, Peter Green, was born "Greenbaum", too. It increases their musical experience and keeps them in touch with their grandfather's heritage all at the same time!
:applaud:

[Ducatista47]

Time bears little resemblance to Fleetwood Mac's other work. That's why few liked it; they were expecting something else. I won't defend it, just say that some of the songs therein are favorites of mine. Others I skip. Rhapsody does stream it, for listening or download. Some of it reminds me of the Danny Kirwan era.

One of the nice things about the Kiln House through Heroes Are Hard To Find catalog is the talent that rotated through the group then. Bob Weston uncorked a memorable slide lead on the first cut on Penguin, a Christine McVie song "Remember Me", which may pop into my head on my deathbed. Danny Kirwan's tone on "Tell Me All The Things You Do" from Kiln House is the most constipated I can remember, and also memorable. That is well heard, being an FM staple for decades. Soundcloud has a live workout of it, but with the tone more open. Kirwan was a fantastic musician. Half of what are considered Green's parts are Danny's. This was one of the best live bands ever. Easy to recognize the rhythm section. It is fitting and proper that the band is called Fleetwood Mac.

(https://soundcloud.com/mongacuca/fleetwood-mac-tell-me-all-the-things-you-do)https://soundcloud.com/mongacuca/fleetwood-mac-tell-me-all-the-things-you-do
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Tired of the same ol' crap ?? I guarantee this is different from anything you have ever heard

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nbfnP3nhghk

[Ducatista47]

That is hilarious. It does have horns on it...


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Tired of the same ol' crap ?? I guarantee this is different from anything you have ever heard

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nbfnP3nhghk

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Music for the Iowa caucus site reporting...

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Music for the Iowa caucus site reporting...

Johnny is funny too :D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yl4J1fjuKdg

Johnny Cash - Flushed From The Bathroom Of Your Heart



so The PG/Splinter Group's time is about up and gotta go back to the county. I gave it another spin. Somehow I liked it much better the second time :confused:

In the Man of the World documentary , Peter kinda mumbles a lot. Accent gets lost sometimes. BUT , singing ..he is clear and concise. I've noticed that on a lot of Brits ... in speaking , lots of local accent, but singing , well they could be American.

Hows that happen ? :dont-know:

[Ducatista47]

so The PG/Splinter Group's time is about up and gotta go back to the county. I gave it another spin. Somehow I liked it much better the second time :confused:

In the Man of the World documentary , Peter kinda mumbles a lot. Accent gets lost sometimes. BUT , singing ..he is clear and concise. I've noticed that on a lot of Brits ... in speaking , lots of local accent, but singing , well they could be American.

Hows that happen ? :dont-know:
I read in the distant past that the brain uses different mechanisms for speaking and singing. It is also said by many working musicians that when one plays and sings at the same time, one of them will be performed on autopilot.

I used to know a man from Gela in Sicily. He was a friend, my Macrobiotics guru, and a casual acoustic guitar strumming folk singer. Lino always spoke with a distinct Sicilian accent but when he sang it was with a perfect American diction without a trace of the accent. He attested that there was no conscious effort involved, it just came out that way.

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reviewing the anthology 4 disk set:


disk #1 was so good that I can't progress to #2 ;) . It's the bluesy one with cuts from John Mayall, Fleetwood Mac, Eddie Boyd , Peter B's Looners and Duster Bennett.

sounds like it was recorded yesterday :bouncy: . Found this tidbit on wiki ...

but quickly started playing a Gibson Les Paul (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Les_Paul_%28guitar%29) with The Bluesbreakers and Green's guitar was often referred to as his "magic guitar". In 2000 he told Guitar Player (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guitar_Player) magazine: "I never had a magic one. Mine wasn't magic...It just barely worked.". In part, his unique tone derived from the neck pickup (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pickup_%28music_technology%29) having been installed with the magnet in reverse during a repair while on tour in America, resulting in an out of phase sound

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http://www.amazon.com/Me-The-Devil-PETER-GREEN/dp/B00116GDJE

been enjoying this for a couple of days :D

Editorial Reviews
2008 three CD set featuring two discs of Peter Green's award-winning recordings of bluesman Robert Johnson classics plus a third disc containing Johnson's own recordings of the songs that made him a legend. The 29 songs that Robert Johnson recorded in various Texas hotel rooms in 1936 and 1937 are amongst the most significant and influential works in the history of Blues music. It was thus very appropriate that it was to these landmark songs that Peter Green turned when recording the two albums which have done so much to re-launch his career, 1998's The Robert Johnson Songbook and 2000's Hot Foot Powder.

Track Listings
Disc: 1
1. I'm a Steady Rollin' Man
2. From Four Until Late
3. Dead Shrimp Blues
4. Little Queen of Spades
5. They're Red Hot
6. Preachin' Blues
7. Hell Hound On My Trail
8. Traveling Riverside Blues
9. Malted Milk
10. Milkcow's Calf Blues
11. Drunken Hearted Man
12. Cross Road Blues
13. Come On In My Kitchen

Disc: 2
1. When You Got a Good Friend
2. 32-20 Blues
3. Phonograph Blues
4. Last Fair Deal Gone Down
5. Stop Breakin' Down Blues
6. Terraplane Blues
7. Walkin' Blues
8. Love In Vain Blues
9. Ramblin' On My Mind
10. Stones In My Passway
11. Me and the Devil Blues
12. Honeymoon Blues
13. Kind Hearted Woman Blues
14. I Believe I'll Dust My Broom
15. If I Had Possession Over Judgement Day
16. Sweet Home Chicago

Geeze ... so much of Clapton has come from RJ . Stones too (Love In Vain Blues) + Zeppelin . RJ originals are hard to listen to his vocals , but then PG seems to channeling Leon Redbone on his interpretations. PG's guitar work is as expected ... outstanding. :applaud:

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Thanks. It's in my Amazon queue.

I've had this one, a re-issue, for a couple of years. Some great cuts, some good, some . . .

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/61dg3IcE2OL.jpg http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/61RVIwU1JdL.jpg

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wasn't what I expected :banghead: Really got to pick thru this for good Green blues. :crying:

Elvis impersonations ? 50's parodies ? Everly Bros. ? Comedy ?

this explains better than I can
http://www.allmusic.com/album/live-at-the-bbc-mw0000182601

AllMusic Review by Richie Unterberger

A substantial (and official) supplement to the band's recorded legacy with Peter Green, this double CD features 36 songs broadcast between 1967 and 1971, in mostly superlative sound.
The title, though, isn't 100 percent accurate; half a dozen tracks were recorded shortly after Green left the band, and since Green is still listed as part of the lineup for all but one of these in the liner notes, Castle Communications either has the dates or personnel wrong. Anyway, the music gives a good idea of the range of the band in their earliest, and by many accounts, best incarnation.
It is not, however, all blues-rock by any means; quite a few of these are given over to Jeremy Spencer-dominated parodies of '50s rock, and while these are entertaining in a modest fashion, the best moments, unsurprisingly, are when guitarists Danny Kirwan and (more particularly) Green play their own material.

Some of Green's most well-known compositions from the era are here ("Man of the World," "Albatross," "Rattlesnake Shake," and "Oh Well"), and in the usual BBC tradition, these have a sparer and rougher feel than the studio versions, though they don't either match or redefine them. "Preachin'," "Preachin' Blues," and "Early Morning Come" are otherwise unavailable showcases for Spencer, Green, and Kirwan, respectively, that demonstrate their facility with no-nonsense, down-home blues when they got in a serious mood.
While this isn't as essential a collection as Then Play On or the numerous best-of anthologies covering the Peter Green era, it presents more solid evidence of the band's skills in both blues-rock and surprisingly straight rock (a cover of Tim Hardin's "Hang on to a Dream" is the surprise find of the set), though some may find the detours into comedy and '50s rock irksome. :yes:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Live_at_the_BBC_%28Fleetwood_Mac_album%29

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Geeze ... what a fine album/CD :D

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Then_Play_On

"Showbiz Blues" is really a "Green tour de force"

Kirwan doesn't really impress on"My Dream"

The ARCAM gives this an almost 3D image ..:bouncy:

BUT , good as the CD sounds , I MAY like it better from the vinyl,
picked up by the V15/T4.

THIS IS AN OUTSTANDING SONIC EXPERIENCE (either way).

fine BG article ===>>>
http://www.npr.org/2013/12/30/258376132/another-fleetwood-mac-album-thats-worth-a-damn

The CD release sticks mostly to the order of the revised US track listing, but re-inserts the two deleted songs ("My Dream" and "When You Say") in new locations. The giggle is now tied to the end of "Fighting For Madge" instead of the beginning of "Like Crying" by the previous edit. "Oh Well" still contains the repeated minute. The two songs which appeared only on the UK LP are still missing.
No. Title Writer(s) Length
1. "Coming Your Way" Kirwan 3:47
2. "Closing My Eyes" Green 4:50
3. "Showbiz Blues" Green 3:50
4. "My Dream" Kirwan 3:30
5. "Underway" Green 2:51
6. "Oh Well" Green 8:56
7. "Although the Sun Is Shining" Kirwan 2:31
8. "Rattlesnake Shake" Green 3:32
9. "Searching for Madge" McVie 6:56
10. "Fighting for Madge" Fleetwood 2:45
11. "When You Say" Kirwan 4:22
12. "Like Crying" Kirwan 2:21
13. "Before the Beginning" Green 3:28

AllMusic Review by Michael G. Nastos

This Peter Green-led edition of the Mac isn't just an important transition between their initial blues-based incarnation and the mega-pop band they became, it's also their most vital, exciting version.
The addition of Danny Kirwan as second guitarist and songwriter foreshadows not only the soft-rock terrain of "Bare Trees" and "Kiln House" with Christine Perfect-McVie, but also predicts Rumours. That only pertains to roughly half of the also excellent material here, though; the rest is quintessential Green.

The immortal "Oh Well," with its hard-edged, thickly layered guitars and chamber-like sections, is perhaps the band's most enduring progressive composition. "Rattlesnake Shake" is another familiar number, a down-and-dirty, even-paced funk, with clean, wall-of-sound guitars. Choogling drums and Green's fiery improvisations power "Searching for Madge," perhaps Mac's most inspired work save "Green Manalishi," and leads into an unlikely symphonic interlude and the similar, lighter boogie "Fighting for Madge." A hot Afro-Cuban rhythm with beautiful guitars from Kirwan and Green on "Coming Your Way" not only defines the Mac's sound, but the rock aesthetic of the day. Of the songs with Kirwan's stamp on them, "Closing My Eyes" is a mysterious waltz love song; haunting guitars approach surf music on the instrumental "My Dream"; while "Although the Sun Is Shining" is the ultimate pre-Rumours number someone should revisit. Blues roots still crop up on the spatial, loose, Hendrix-tinged "Underway," the folky "Like Crying," and the final outcry of the ever-poignant "Show Biz Blues," with Green moaning "do you really give a damn for me?"
Then Play On is a reminder of how pervasive and powerful Green's influence was on Mac's originality and individual stance beyond his involvement. Still highly recommended and a must-buy after all these years, it remains their magnum opus.

http://www.allmusic.com/album/then-play-on-mw0000651501

[DavidF]

Couldn't agree more with comments on Then Play On, Seawolf. I still have this in record format and it is up there among my collection in terms of times played.

I was in college in the years around the first two releases with Nicks-Buckingham in the band. I had started building a decent (relative to my peers) "stereo" and already had a quite a few records including Then Play On and several other releases preceding the 1975 Fleetwood Mac album. In fact, I did not buy either 1975 Fleetwood Mac or Rumours until many years after. Everyone had these two, so a copy was always available.

I recall to this day how I would bring out an older F.M. album and try to get others interested. Always the same reaction. Sort of a mild acceptance, maybe a couple of words like "yeah, it's cool" but the older material just did not get people excited, to get up and dance or even sing along like the heavy-rotation hits from the double-platinum-covering-gold releases. Nope, Fleetwood Mac wasn't Fleetwood Mac until 1975. But then, I wasn't always there for a lot other top-40s like Journey, Foreigner, et el., either. Maybe Bob Seger.

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Just got "The Anthology".

backing up the CD's to MD's (much better editing capabilities - ie: I didn't care for D1/T13, so relocated it to last on the MD & The Supernatural to T1)

Normally I use my duplicator deck - toss a CD in one side, MD in the other and hit a button. But on these disks, going the deluxe route for optimal sound.

The ARCAM does such an outstanding job and it's extra sound doesn't get lost in dubs, so I
go from it to the pro MD deck. A little more effort, but worth it on material this good. :D

great, great PG here.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ul4hxJQIdZk

[honkytonkwillie]

In the Man of the World documentary , Peter kinda mumbles a lot. Accent gets lost sometimes. BUT , singing ..he is clear and concise. I've noticed that on a lot of Brits ... in speaking , lots of local accent, but singing , well they could be American.

Hows that happen ? :dont-know:

Because their accents are fake!

In the early 1990's I met Rob Halford of Judas Priest, at a meet-n-greet when he came to town with his other band.

Determined not to utter some forgettable, trite, "I've always loved your music!!", instead I asked Mr. Halford, "What the hell is a Green Manalishi?", as Judas Priest did the song on one of their earlier albums. He was somewhat taken aback, and managed to come up with: "a mystic... uh... Indian, thing-y".

Only later I learned it was a Peter Green song. That was after-the-fact awkward, the very thing I was trying to avoid in the first place.

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traded an LP to a friend and got this in return .... great album :D

you can stream the whole thing from this link ===>>>
https://www.discogs.com/Peter-Green-In-The-Skies/release/1672307

on the right side, about halfway down. under "videos"

[turnitdown]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VC0DayWUY64

Mr. Haddaway nipped it.

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Live In '67

John Mayall John Mayall & The Blues Breakers with Eric Clapton

https://www.amazon.com/Live-67-John-Mayalls-Bluesbreakers/dp/B00T73ATC0


Editorial Reviews

In 1967, before there was a Fleetwood Mac, Peter Green, John McVie and Mick Fleetwood were John Mayall's Bluesbreakers. The four musicians were only together for three months, which makes it even more remarkable that a staunch fan from Holland was able to sneak a one channel reel to reel tape recorder into five London clubs and capture this exciting glimpse into music history. For almost fifty years these tapes have remained unheard until John recently got them and began restoring them with the technical assistance of Eric Corne of Forty Below Records. Corne adds ''While the source recording was very rough and the final result is certainly not hi-fidelity, it does succeed in allowing us to hear how spectacular these performances are.''