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Infredible
11-20-2004, 07:37 PM
Yesterday evening we went to a club in San Francisco and we came across the biggest speakers ever. The HF section was JBL, I don't know about the LF section but it was realy impressive. They have four of them at each corners and standing in the middle dancing (drink mandatory:cheers: ) was infredible. Clean, sharp, snappy sound.

Infredible
11-20-2004, 07:40 PM
Samtastic in action...

johnaec
11-20-2004, 08:08 PM
What club is that? Was it live music, (band?), or recorded? Are those permanent, or was it more of a one-time "rave" deal? 'Looks like a warehouse with really high ceilings...

John

Infredible
11-20-2004, 08:32 PM
The club was "mighty" located in Protrero Hill, cool place, not to crowded.
It's a regular SF club, no band or gig, just music and a big bar.

Fred.

Infredible
11-20-2004, 08:43 PM
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pelly3s
11-25-2004, 06:19 PM
those are pretty big stacks. i've only done one bigger but it was for a rave and it got so loud it was sick. It was 4 BH-800's 4 2x15 Forsyths 2 huge ev horns about about 20 peizos. noone ever said it had to sound good lol just be loud. it was 2 wide and 2 tall with the horns angled ontop so the would aim more towards the center of the room

jarrods
11-26-2004, 06:34 PM
are those 2405s at ear height ??? :D

djrobertc
12-03-2004, 03:22 PM
Those are Richard Long made boxes formerly installed at 177 Townsend. I've had the honor of playing there before they converted to a quasi digital system and before they changed the drivers from the originals. Here are the specs on the club. (http://mighty119.com/booking/specs.html)

When it was installed at Townsend they also had two tweeter arrays with 4 x 075 bullets each. It was by far one of the best systems ever in SF.

I have only heard the modified system at Mighty once and it sounded pretty good. There is a lot of exposed brick in the building and little acoustic treatment done so I was a little dissapointed in that area.

:-)

Mr. Widget
12-03-2004, 09:38 PM
Those are Richard Long made boxes formerly installed at 177 Townsend.

When it was installed at Townsend they also had two tweeter arrays with 4 x 075 bullets each. It was by far one of the best systems ever in SF.
Yeah I remember the acrylic 075 quad arrays flown overhead. I was surprised the sound made it down to the dance floor, but overall it did have a very good sound. Very powerful and taught bass too.

Widget

djrobertc
12-04-2004, 02:56 PM
Yeah I remember the acrylic 075 quad arrays flown overhead. I was surprised the sound made it down to the dance floor, but overall it did have a very good sound. Very powerful and taught bass too.

Widget
*sigh. I miss those days.

I dream to one day own a club and construct a system based on Richard's theories.

http://audioheritage.org/vbulletin/images/smilies/biggrin.gif

scott fitlin
12-04-2004, 03:15 PM
*sigh. I miss those days.

I dream to one day own a club and construct a system based on Richard's theories.

http://audioheritage.org/vbulletin/images/smilies/biggrin.gifThose are 80,s RLA cabinets, made for him by EAW! The lower mid horn with the phase plugs is called the DD horn, the double 15in loaded bent horn under that is the Puissance!

The RLA Z arrays ( 075,s in silver plexi tubes ) were in every RLA install, Studio 54, Paradise Garage, Zanzibar, etc! I use use four arrays similar, loaded with 2402h,s.

Here in NY, though, most of the systems dating back into the 70,s had the 2395 lens horns!

The RLA systems rocked, and I still use that ancient RLA crossover, the three little red knobs! It didnt just sound good then, it still sounds great to this day! I have tried everything, well almost, and I keep that thing in my system for without it, it just doesnt sound the same!

The man known as Richard Long was a genius! As well as the man who designed and built his electronics for him, Alan Fierstein of Acoustilog NYC!

That was, and still is THE SOUND of all time!

Bumper cars still have and use RLA inspired system! It will not be beat!

:D

scott fitlin
12-04-2004, 03:29 PM
The information on the clubs website is incorrect! That system shown here was NOT from Sound Factory NYC. The factory,s system left the 27th st location when factory got shut down in 94, ( Mayor Giuallianis main NYC Improvement, not ) and went uptown to 46th st in manhattan to the NEW factory location.

However, if it is the system from factory, then it wasnt an RLA system, it was a Phil Smith/Steve Dash system! But Factory didnt have the Puissance cabinets, they had Quad 15in cabinets, direct radiator, ported cabinets! Also, factory didnt have the big JBL mid horn, they had two smaller horns per stack, splayed! Under the quad boxes were Levan Horns, NOT Emeralds! And you would notice them in the picture if they were there!

It is a 1980,s RLA system, but it is not the system from Sound Factory!

And lastly, yes, according to the equipment listing, they have modified it extensively!

djrobertc
12-04-2004, 09:08 PM
Hey scotty! you're 100% correct, that system was supposed to be installed in a system in Chicago cira 1980 but they decided not to open it and the system sat in storage for a while. story goes that when 177 townsend was getting ready to open, the specs for the dancefloor were pretty much the same as the original club in Chicago (if divided in two - why Townsend had the back room) and so Townsend bought the system and installed it.

One day scotty Ill come out there and check out the island bumber cars

<3

dieterj
12-04-2004, 11:11 PM
It is a 1980,s RLA system, but it is not the system from Sound Factory!

Hello Scott,
Is this the System from the Factory?
Was it fully Jbl loaded......which Speakers in the Basshorn?
Dieter :)

scott fitlin
12-06-2004, 12:26 PM
Thats the club in the 27th st space after factory, called Twilo! It pretty identical to the Sound factory stacks, except for the D horn low mid cabinets! Factory had the EAW MH-102,s! This comapny is known as Phazon!

The Factory quad box was loaded with TAD 1601A,s and the Twilo quads, JBL 2226H. The 10,s were not JBL, nor were the compression drivers. Supposedly Factory had the TAD 4001,s, and Twilo had RCF compression drivers! JBL 2404 tweeters on top, and over the dance floor in arrays of four, they had 16 JBL 2405 slots!

The Levan Horns are JBL loaded. Twilos basshorns were loaded with the JBL 2242, they changed the throat, and a couple of other things inside the newer style basshorn to accomodate the 2242, and powered them with Crown 3600,s! The output was incredible, but I never really cared for the way JBL 18,s sounded in that type of enclosure!

However, in all fairness, you could stand right in font of those stacks, and talk to someone else, be pounded by the bottom, and the sound didnt hurt your ears!

The original Levan Horn bass cabinets had a different throat, horn, and Richard Long had a woofer made for him by Eminence, it was called the RLA-18016, and was a copy of the original Cerwin Vega 189E, from the Vega " Earthquake " cabinet!

:)

Dave G
12-06-2004, 12:47 PM
Now seeing this has made my day. Much more interesting than large format JBL monitors:)

To further add to the questions that picture dieterj has posted was used for Harman UK to promote the use of JBL components for 'Cream' in Liverpool England. So are these actualy the stacks from 'Cream' or a standard Phazon design used in many clubs?

Scott?

dieterj
12-06-2004, 12:54 PM
Very interessting Thread, Scott i think you're the Specialist for answers in Clubsound :D
Dieter

scott fitlin
12-06-2004, 01:00 PM
Now seeing this has made my day. Much more interesting than large format JBL monitors:)

To further add to the questions that picture dieterj has posted was used for Harman UK to promote the use of JBL components for 'Cream' in Liverpool England. So are these actualy the stacks from 'Cream' or a standard Phazon design used in many clubs?

Scott?All the Phazon stacks from places like Cream, and others were clones of their Twilo system here in NYC! Although Dieter,s picture is not from Twilo, thats exactly what Twilos four corner stacks looked like!

Now Phazon is doing the systems with the Levan basshorn, and JBL Vertec for full range, and tweeter arrays over the dance floor!

I will be going to a club called Spirit here in NYC on Fri Dec 17th to hear a new Phazon with Vertecs installed! They did a club called Roxy, lots of Vertec, too!

dieterj
12-06-2004, 01:18 PM
Yes, you're right Scott, this photo show the System from Cream/UK.
I've thinked, thats maybe the same Stack as in SF or after Twilo
Who made the Install in the older SF?
Dieter

scott fitlin
12-06-2004, 01:25 PM
Yes, you're right Scott, this photo show the System from Cream/UK.
I've thinked, thats maybe the same Stack as in SF or after Twilo
Who made the Install in the older SF?
DieterBoth clubs were at the same address, and had the same owners!

The systems were designed and installed by Steve dash, known as PDS back in the Factory days, and Phazon later on!

Soundman Shorty also worked for them in the Twilo days, and he had alot to do with that room sounding as it did! If he ever shows up on this thread, he can also tell you alot about those syetms, he knows them inside and out! Wireboy, where are you? Come on out and talk to the nice people!

:D

dieterj
12-06-2004, 01:45 PM
Both clubs were at the same address, and had the same owners!

The systems were designed and installed by Steve dash, known as PDS back in the Factory days, and Phazon later on!

Soundman Shorty also worked for them in the Twilo days, and he had alot to do with that room sounding as it did! If he ever shows up on this thread, he can also tell you alot about those syetms, he knows them inside and out! Wireboy, where are you? Come on out and talk to the nice people!

:D
Scott,
I was always interest in good Cubsound, but most of Time i listen to music
with my Jbl 250ti at home.
Here in Austria're not realy good Soundsytems
:biting:
I know, one day i should come to your place in coney island or montreal/ Stereo for listen to a good System :D

scott fitlin
12-06-2004, 02:24 PM
Your always welcome! Youll have a blast here in NYC! Summertime, lots of nice half dressed, pretty chicks walking around on the boardwalk and beach!

:cool:

soundmanshorty
12-06-2004, 02:30 PM
Of the original system its just the fullrange section, this RLA system in this pic came from club Z in miami, when its used in a RLA setup, normally there would be a Bertha or Levan horn under these boxes you see in this pic this would then bring the height up of that stack in that pic another 62 inches if the bertha/levan is used.

At Stereo in Montreal I am usin a similar setup that contains of 6 stacks towering @ 13ft8 inches in height that consists of 6 Levan horns powered by 3 3600vz, 2 modified Scoops stacked TAD 1603 loaded powered by 6 Australion Monitor AM 1600, 2 SBS frnt loaded horns total of 12 boxes TAD TM 1201 loaded powered by 3 Bryston 4B sst again stacked, 1 2395 lens TAD 4002 loaded Powered by 1 Bryston 3B SST& 1 2405 tweeter powered by 1 Bryston 2B, we are also using 4 sta tweeter arrays hanging loaded with 4 2402 JBL tweeters 16 total powered by 4 crown D75a, all analog controlled.

The system you see there is not from original factory 27th st, they had 4 TAD 1601a in a quad box, The phazon stack in the pic that was posted is from Cream for the JBL add that has 4 2226 in a quad box that is completly diff from the quad box that was in the original factory consistin of the 4 TAD drivers.

If anyone is interested in hearing a Classic style Analog system done with todays hiend analog processing Made by Bryston SBS modified Email me ill set you up on my list for Stereo nightclub in Montreal Canada.

www.systemsbyshorty.com
soundmanshorty@hotmail.com

Dave G
12-06-2004, 03:20 PM
Hello Shorty

As I drag this subject off topic I noticed you must be running your hanging tweeters with two tweeters per channel of D75 on a 4 ohm load or running series/parallel with a bridged D75. I'm running two arrays series/parallel giving eight ohms per channel of just a single D75. Seems sufficent output to keep up with rest of system which is not as big as others mentioned.

I believe these systems to be high efficency compared to 'modern' designs and the manufactured designs of today. I'm suprised nobody has comented on the fact that our favorite JBL low end woofers (2226 2242 etc) are no longer used in much of the current range. Who will be the first with the new 18 inch neo woofers in their next project and what price is the latest technology?

Welcome to Lansing Heritage (Disco Divison):dancin:

scott fitlin
12-06-2004, 03:31 PM
Hello Shorty

As I drag this subject off topic I noticed you must be running your hanging tweeters with two tweeters per channel of D75 on a 4 ohm load or running series/parallel with a bridged D75. I'm running two arrays series/parallel giving eight ohms per channel of just a single D75. Seems sufficent output to keep up with rest of system which is not as big as others mentioned.

I believe these systems to be high efficency compared to 'modern' designs and the manufactured designs of today. I'm suprised nobody has comented on the fact that our favorite JBL low end woofers (2226 2242 etc) are no longer used in much of the current range. Who will be the first with the new 18 inch neo woofers in their next project and what price is the latest technology?

Welcome to Lansing Heritage (Disco Divison):dancin:I still have tweeters.

:D

soundmanshorty
12-06-2004, 03:42 PM
Hello Shorty

As I drag this subject off topic I noticed you must be running your hanging tweeters with two tweeters per channel of D75 on a 4 ohm load or running series/parallel with a bridged D75. I'm running two arrays series/parallel giving eight ohms per channel of just a single D75. Seems sufficent output to keep up with rest of system which is not as big as others mentioned.

I believe these systems to be high efficency compared to 'modern' designs and the manufactured designs of today. I'm suprised nobody has comented on the fact that our favorite JBL low end woofers (2226 2242 etc) are no longer used in much of the current range. Who will be the first with the new 18 inch neo woofers in their next project and what price is the latest technology?

Welcome to Lansing Heritage (Disco Divison):dancin:

I still use tweeters, too!

scott fitlin
12-06-2004, 03:50 PM
I just dont care for how they sound in sealed rear chamber folded horns! I think the `42 sounds good in properly tuned, ported cabinets!

Unfortunately, I find I must have some type of horn loading on the bottom end when it comes to Dance Club sound!

Its why I will not give up my corner loaded double 18in scoops, but then we already have a thread on this subject!

:cool:

Dave G
12-06-2004, 04:45 PM
Perhaps TAD will be there on their own in ten years time for that type of driver. If cost was no object I would like to try a sweet sounding 12 inch TAD mid but got to draw the line somewhere.

I was wondering about the new types of JBL driver. Three inch voice dual coil and neo magnets. Not available as components as yet but may be interesting.

Any more photos of big JBL. Did Scott get that digital camera?

GordonW
12-06-2004, 07:54 PM
This reminds me of the biggest system I've encountered (at least, as far as concentration of sound on a dance floor). Specifically, the meniton of the CV Earthquake... anyone ever venture into the old R+B/funk club, the Phoenix, here in Atlanta? I don't remember at all what they had for mid-high stacks... but I DO remember the subs, quite well. In the Phoenix, the subs were IN THE BASEMENT... under the dance floor, and there were gratings in the floor to "let the bass in" to the dance area. Under the dance floor, was a mini-apocolypse... TWENTY Cerwin-Vega X-36 Earthquake scoop-horn sub cabinets, lining the walls, all facing the center.

According to people I knew that went there when this was in operation- this was a CONCRETE BLOCK building, but the bass output was so intense, that people on the OUTSIDE of the building could lean their heads against the concrete block wall, and the vibrations transmitted through the CONCRETE were enough to blur your vision. On the dance floor, on the right note, there was also enough airflow through the floor grating/sub grilles to cause the "Marilyn Monroe" dress-blowing-up effect. I've actually seen home movie film that VERIFIED that phenomenon!

IIRC, the CV X36 arrays were run by a bunch of either Crown DC600s or DC1200s... if memory serves, it was DC1200s with 4 cabinets on each amp. I'd have to have seen what the POWER BILL was for THAT place, at the levels they ran it at!! :eek:

edwardsound
03-21-2007, 07:14 AM
Good Threads on topics of concern. Scott I am here now.

LOL

Fred Sanford
03-21-2007, 08:26 AM
Here's a fun contrast from the DJ systems, here's a do-what-you-can-with-what-you-got system, CBGBs from the late 80s. I never saw what was there 'cause it was so damn dark all the time, even though I ran this system quite a bit at this time. Took a friend taking a flash picture for me to see just what was hanging (I'm playing drums in this picture). It could sound very good, in the right hands. If I remember correctly, it was being maintained & run by Tommy Victor of the band Prong around this time, I could be wrong on that.

je

louped garouv
03-22-2007, 10:01 AM
Good Threads on topics of concern. Scott I am here now.

LOL

Welcome aboard!



Here's a fun contrast from the DJ systems, here's a do-what-you-can-with-what-you-got system, CBGBs from the late 80s. I never saw what was there 'cause it was so damn dark all the time, even though I ran this system quite a bit at this time. Took a friend taking a flash picture for me to see just what was hanging (I'm playing drums in this picture). It could sound very good, in the right hands. If I remember correctly, it was being maintained & run by Tommy Victor of the band Prong around this time, I could be wrong on that.

je

pretty cool, sad they closed....

DanMan
03-26-2007, 05:49 PM
here's a pic from my bar. ha ha! just kidding, I never keep that much full beer just lying around unrefrigerated. its the hard rock cafe in hawaii.

if the budweiser is 9" tall, that would make these woofers 45" dia !

ok, maybe they aint the biggest (theres only 2 of them that can be seen in the far left corner of the pic (looks like control series<?>) ;)

johnaec
03-26-2007, 06:55 PM
I like the cables through the cones! Is that to keep them from over-excurson! :p

John