Which JBL 15s would you use?

[baldrick]

If you could choose... what would be your choice of 15 up to aprox 800 hz if:

1500FE, 1501FE, ME150HS, 2216ND, 2235, 2234, 2255, 2225, 2226

Other alternatives? (not thinking 1500/1501AL this time)

[1audiohack]

In decending order, based on what I actually own and have really used and I assume is for home use not sound reinforcemnet:

1501Fe-1, 2216Nd, big gap,, 2234, 2235, another gap, 2225, another gap, 2226.

Barry.

[bubbleboy76]

In decending order, based on what I actually own and have really used and I assume is for home use not sound reinforcemnet:

1501Fe-1, 2216Nd, big gap,, 2234, 2235, another gap, 2225, another gap, 2226.

Barry.

Very interesting, in what way do you prefer the 1501fe over the 2216Nd?

[baldrick]

One of the reasons for asking is similar to the one bubbleboy is asking. A few wees ago I was of the understanding that 2216ND was the way to go... but lately with the introduction of 4367 With 2216ND several have said that this is a step down from 4365 With 1501FE, so maybe 1501FE is a better Choice? And what about the older 1500FE.

Also intersting to see how you rank the newer compared to the older, and also that you rank 2226 that low :)

[DingDing]

In decending order, based on what I actually own and have really used and I assume is for home use not sound reinforcemnet:

1501Fe-1, 2216Nd, big gap,, 2234, 2235, another gap, 2225, another gap, 2226.

Barry.

HELLO, ELLO, ello, llo, lo, o, .

I'm down here at the bottom with my stack of 2226 questioning the meaning of life, the World and everything in it. Thanks! :D

Hoping the result won't be as dire as what you've painted here, and that they will perform acceptably between 60-300 which is the intention. Give it to me straight Doc, lol.

[JeffW]

Very interesting, in what way do you prefer the 1501fe over the 2216Nd?

He didn't write "gap" in between them, I took this to mean they were not drastically different enough to warrant a "gap".

One thing that might be worth considering - you can actually buy the 2216Nd and any of the other 22XX woofers.

[Robh3606]

I am partial to E-145's. Need subs but they are very good over that range. Have not tuned up the 2216's could be a fun comparison. Rob:)

[pos]

One thing that might be worth considering - you can actually buy the 2216NdAnd at around 4kg you can even ship them from the US to Europe for reasonable costs :D

[4313B]

One of the reasons for asking is similar to the one bubbleboy is asking. A few wees ago I was of the understanding that 2216ND was the way to go... but lately with the introduction of 4367 With 2216ND several have said that this is a step down from 4365 With 1501FE, so maybe 1501FE is a better Choice? And what about the older 1500FE.

Also intersting to see how you rank the newer compared to the older, and also that you rank 2226 that low :)The "step down" is from the 476Mg (and arguably 045) to the D2430K, NOT the 2216Nd instead of the 1501FE...

The D2430K is significantly less expensive to manufacture compared to the 476Mg. And getting rid of the 045 adds even more savings. Regardless, there will be plenty of people who are thoroughly satisfied with the high frequency performance of the D2430K, it really is quite good.

[baldrick]

The "step down" is from the 476Mg (and arguably 045) to the D2430K, NOT the 2216Nd instead of the 1501FE...

OK, thanx for this "update", but I thought others also have said similar that they prefer 1501FE, but I take this that you mean 2216ND is still the woofer to use?


He didn't write "gap" in between them, I took this to mean they were not drastically different enough to warrant a "gap".

One thing that might be worth considering - you can actually buy the 2216Nd and any of the other 22XX woofers.

1500 and 1501FE are also possible to get :)

How would 1500FE compare to 1501FE or 2216ND? For me, 1500FE would be the cheaper alterantive, but not by that much.

[4313B]

OK, thanx for this "update", but I thought others also have said similar that they prefer 1501FE, but I take this that you mean 2216ND is still the woofer to use?I really hate to be the bearer of bad news but JBL isn't using the 2216Nd in the S4700, M2 and 4367 because they forgot that the 1501Fe was better. They know which transducer is the current king of the hill...

I view this latest 4367 introduction as very probably the end of the 1500FE ferrite series transducer. It was mentioned years ago with the introduction of the S4700 that if neo stabilized the 2216Nd would probably become the transducer of choice. I could be wrong, but I think the 1500AL alnico series is also dead.

The M2 has been out for nearly three years now and if people still aren't "getting it" then that is their loss.

Regardless, my personal opinion is that none of these transducers are heads and tails better than any of the others. Starting with the original 1500AL, I don't see where a person can go wrong with any of them. Pick your poison.

[baldrick]

I really hate to be the bearer of bad news but JBL isn't using the 2216Nd in the S4700, M2 and 4367 because they forgot that the 1501Fe was better. They know which transducer is the current king of the hill...


You are probably correct but my guess is also that 2216ND is a cheaper alterantive for JBL than 1501FE :dont-know:

[4313B]

You are probably correct but my guess is also that 2216ND is a cheaper alterantive for JBL than 1501FE :dont-know:I believe you are correct. I think there was something like a $50 factory cost difference between them. A case where more expensive doesn't always lead to better performance. J.M. did a stellar job with the design of the 2216Nd. It really is better than anything Pro had. I really wanted to dislike that transducer but alas, that turned out to be impossible. :o: I'm still waiting for someone to say something like "The 2216Nd is good but..." It just isn't happening. Yet. ;) Maybe someday. :rotfl:

[bubbleboy76]

1500 and 1501FE are also possible to get :)

Where?

[bubbleboy76]

Is the 2216Nd beaming/directing the sound more than the others mentioned here? Is that where the extra dynamic comes from?
It looks steeper and deeper the cone, so to speak. Is it working lika a horn almost?

[bubbleboy76]

I view this latest 4367 introduction as very probably the end of the 1500FE ferrite series transducer. It was mentioned years ago with the introduction of the S4700 that if neo stabilized the 2216Nd would probably become the transducer of choice. I could be wrong, but I think the 1500AL alnico series is also dead

Let's hope for a big dirty-cheap sellout, like the SUB1500 on partsexpress some years ago!

[4313B]

several have said that this is a step downWhen I hear comments like that I can't help but think of the 125/127 versus the LE10 :p

You should have seen my face the first time I pulled one of those transducers out of a JBL loudspeaker. :rotfl:

They did their job and kept the company going though!

[more10]

I'm down here at the bottom with my stack of 2226 questioning the meaning of life, the World and everything in it. Thanks!

Good bass drivers. But midrange is bland. Not worth reconing.

[audiomagnate]

Good bass drivers. But midrange is bland. Not worth reconing.
But on the plus side they turn up for as low as $100 each, often in excellent "church use only" condition. If you are only using them up to 800, or even 500Hz, they are a real bargain IMO.

[baldrick]

Good bass drivers. But midrange is bland. Not worth reconing.

I have used dual 2226 in my HT for a long time and really like them, have been running them up to aprox 700hz, when I get the time they will be replaced with single 2216ND but I might also get the 1500FE so I can compare with 2216ND. My Everest clones will have 1501AL :)

[DingDing]

Good bass drivers. But midrange is bland. Not worth reconing.

Concur. Have bought 2123 to get better SQ performance between 2226 and 2446, but that comes with a price in power handling and capacity, so thinking about incorporating at least one 2216Nd instead of 2123 and one of the 2226's; saving 2 amp and DSP channels in the process.


But on the plus side they turn up for as low as $100 each, often in excellent "church use only" condition. If you are only using them up to 800, or even 500Hz, they are a real bargain IMO.

Have bought them at good prices myself and I do like the midbass performance a lot. They really have a lot of punchiness to them and with some EQ they can do quite well down low for low level music listening.

Kind of curious about 2216Nd now, especially after having read that 4367 is optimized towards a more punchier sound, and seeing the rank 1audiohack put on them and all those gaps between the drivers, wow.

[1audiohack]

HELLO, ELLO, ello, llo, lo, o, .

I'm down here at the bottom with my stack of 2226 questioning the meaning of life, the World and everything in it. Thanks! :D

Hoping the result won't be as dire as what you've painted here, and that they will perform acceptably between 60-300 which is the intention. Give it to me straight Doc, lol.


Hi there;

Don't think that I am a 2226 hater, I have a lot of them, in bass horns that I run to the bottom and I love them because they sound pretty good and are cockroach tough. I don't use them in anything at home though and I don't use them even in a bass horn if I have subs under them.

There have been a couple of other drivers mentioned that were not on the list so I left them all out.

I doubt anyone argue that a 2227 sounds better than the E145 but you can drive a 2227 way harder. I personally think the 2240 sounds better than the 2241 and the 2225 sounds better than the 2226, if you really listen to them in a meaningful fair comparison.

This is just my own opinion of course but I think that, until you get into the new super 15' drivers, and if you are using a sub / subs, there is no 15 that compares to the 2220 if you are anywhere near approaching a 1kHz crossover, but that one wasn't on the list either. :)

All the best,
Barry.

[audiomagnate]

But on the plus side they turn up for as low as $100 each, often in excellent "church use only" condition. If you are only using them up to 800, or even 500Hz, they are a real bargain IMO.


...Don't think that I am a 2226 hater, I have a lot of them, in bass horns that I run to the bottom and I love them because they sound pretty good and are cockroach tough. I don't use them in anything at home though and I don't use them even in a bass horn if I have subs under them...T

I forgot to add that I wouldn't use 2226's without sub support.

[wrager]

Barry-
Where would the 2035 be placed in comparison to the 25 and 26?

[cooky1257]

FWIW, In my experience; 2226 smooth but soft a bit loose in the bottom end,recessed mids
2231 warm, tubby and very musical/easy listen,
2235 re-coned 2231 oddly loses some of that warmth,
2234 subjectively leaner and a bit more articulate than 2231,
ME150H hard, fast, very articulate if ultimately dry as a very dry thing, doesn't plumb the depths like the 2231.Built like a tank.

[DingDing]

Thank you very much for your comments, Barry.

Todo:
(1) Be for 2446
(2) 2216Nd

[1audiohack]

Barry-
Where would the 2035 be placed in comparison to the 25 and 26?

2035? Never had one. Love the motor though on the 2020H.

Barry.

[baldrick]

My first attemt with 2216ND in my HT setup, paired up with 2447BE and Seos 24 horns. Do consider replacing Seos horn with M2, but really don't know if it will be an upgrade :)

[Ed Zeppeli]

Baldrick, can you elaborate on the box for the 2216nd, how you like it and what you're doing for crossover?


Thanks,

Warren

[baldrick]

I've just started so it's too early to tell how it sounds.

The cabinet is basically a JBL cinema cabinet, 4637 (http://www.jblproservice.com/pdf/Theatre%20Series/4637.pdf), tuned a bit too high if running without subs, but since I'm running 4xJBL 18s as subs I'm hopefully OK.

It's an all active setup with MiniDSP.