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Valentin
10-28-2014, 04:48 PM
US Retail Pricing: 4365 = $7,500 ea, 4429 = $2,500 ea, 4312EBKL & 4312EBKR = $1,000 each

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JeffW
10-28-2014, 07:37 PM
Wonder what JBL is thinking? Very strange that they would sell JBL speakers in the US. :dont-know:

martin_wu99
10-28-2014, 09:18 PM
US Retail Pricing: 4365 = $7,500 ea, 4429 = $2,500 ea, 4312EBKL & 4312EBKR = $1,000 each

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We have seen these speakers in local dealer for years:D

BMWCCA
10-28-2014, 09:20 PM
We have seen these speakers in local dealer for years:D
Yeah, thanks. We knew that! :banghead:

hjames
10-29-2014, 03:00 AM
We have seen these speakers in local dealer for years:D

Those would be your local NON_US dealers, wouldn't they??

This topic has been beaten to DEATH in these forums -
new JBL speakers with the look of the classic Studio Monitors of the 70s,
offered for sale in the Asian market and not in the US market ...

Many of us offered to buy some a few years back -
when that did not happen, we went elsewhere ...
(or to other brands)

Now that they ARE for sale - what will support be like?
Will replacement drivers be readily available?

pos
10-29-2014, 03:48 AM
I don't see what the market for the 4365 will be now that the M2 is around...

ivica
10-29-2014, 04:23 AM
I don't see what the market for the 4365 will be now that the M2 is around...
Hi POS,

May be I am wrong, but 4365 has internal network, so can be used with single stereo amp.
On the other side I have no idea abut M2 price, and the necessary networks, and number of amps,
so 4365, may be is not so bad decision ( if 7.5k$ is available for the speakers pair).

Regards
Ivica

grumpy
10-29-2014, 07:28 AM
Well, that would be each, not per pair... per the first post in this thread.

Seemingly tying them to Synthesis dealers is an ... interesting sales channel decision
(especially the 4312 model). Pro has M2 + 6 and now 7 series.
15K/pair monitor type folks probably aren't hanging out at Guitar Center
for that purpose anyway :)

Must be expecting a pull from existing fans, vs. a push from marketing.
I can hear the "let's make some available and see what happens"
thought process... Guess we'll see how this unfolds. Interesting...

audiomagnate
10-29-2014, 07:31 AM
Hi POS,

May be I am wrong, but 4365 has internal network, so can be used with single stereo amp.
On the other side I have no idea abut M2 price, and the necessary networks, and number of amps,
so 4365, may be is not so bad decision ( if 7.5k$ is available for the speakers pair).

Regards
Ivica

I agree, the M2's complexity and looks scare off most sane people (it's my dream speaker of course!). These monitors becoming available in the US is fantastic news IMO, and it will be interesting to see if anybody actually buys them.

Valentin
10-29-2014, 07:36 AM
and the 4429 is in the same price point that the S3900 with the same complement of drivers @ hi freq in a smaller box

martin_wu99
10-29-2014, 08:03 AM
Those would be your local NON_US dealers, wouldn't they??

This topic has been beaten to DEATH in these forums -
new JBL speakers with the look of the classic Studio Monitors of the 70s,
offered for sale in the Asian market and not in the US market ...

Many of us offered to buy some a few years back -
when that did not happen, we went elsewhere ...
(or to other brands)

Now that they ARE for sale - what will support be like?
Will replacement drivers be readily available?
Yes,no matter how late it comes,it is a good news for you.:D

martin_wu99
10-29-2014, 08:08 AM
I don't see what the market for the 4365 will be now that the M2 is around...
4365 is flagship of 43 series at present,so many people chose it.many people like traditional JBL.

martin_wu99
10-29-2014, 08:15 AM
and the 4429 is in the same price point that the S3900 with the same complement of drivers @ hi freq in a smaller box
4429 is studio monitor and has a competitive price,but S3900 is only a family product.i wish some people can compare them.:blink:

ivica
10-29-2014, 08:33 AM
Well, that would be each, not per pair... per the first post in this thread.

...

Hi,

That is my fault, I have understood "each PAIR", as on the figures , pairs are shown...
..so that means 15k$ per pair...., not to mention that on some other thread it is said
that single driver 2269 is priced around 1.1k$, so I wonder how to reach to 15k$ for
6 drivers+some other (polyvinyl ) parts such as horns, tubes, box,....

If such philosophy would be applied to the car price, they would cost millions of billions of $ "EACH"

regards
ivica

fpitas
10-29-2014, 08:34 AM
I don't see what the market for the 4365 will be now that the M2 is around...

I think I would prefer the restricted vertical dispersion of the 4365 in my listening room.

Valentin
10-29-2014, 06:24 PM
believe me you would prefer a M2 over

caladois
10-30-2014, 01:16 AM
I wouldn't mind to sale my 4338 for 4365... Wouldn't you ?

audiomagnate
10-30-2014, 06:15 AM
and the 4429 is in the same price point that the S3900 with the same complement of drivers @ hi freq in a smaller box 4429 is less expensive than the 3900. I'm a huge fan of the 1400 Array, so I'm very curious to hear what these would sound like on their sides with the horns on the inside. I'm thinking a pair of sideways 4429's with a nice sub swarm could take me to audio nirvana on a budget (too bad the UHF driver is in the wrong place though). Like Heather, I think it seems silly to spend $5,000+ on forty year old JBL tech when you can get state of the art JBL tech and fresh parts for around the same price. Vintage exotic cars are nice, but wouldn't you rather drive a brand new exotic? I sure would. The whole situation reminds me of the car situation in Cuba. They have been denied access to modern cars so they have no choice to keep the old ones on the road. Well guess what, the embargo is finally over for us here in the US, so it's time to trade in our '55 Buicks for something a little more modern. Anyone want to buy a nice pair of L200s? Anybody know if the 4306 will be available in the US?

Dave_72
11-02-2014, 03:38 PM
US Retail Pricing: 4365 = $7,500 ea, 4429 = $2,500 ea, 4312EBKL & 4312EBKR = $1,000 each

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Very cool! How soon may I ask? It might be time to sell the S4700s and get the 4365s! :D

martin_wu99
11-04-2014, 08:07 AM
Very cool! How soon may I ask? It might be time to sell the S4700s and get the 4365s! :D
You have said your S4700 is good enough and will not replace it any longer:eek:

Dave_72
11-04-2014, 10:46 AM
You have said your S4700 is good enough and will not replace it any longer:eek:

I change my mind all the time! lol. Don't most audiophiles? :D

audiomagnate
11-04-2014, 12:17 PM
I change my mind all the time! lol. Don't most audiophiles? :D

I don't even believe myself anymore when I say "I'm completely happy with my system as it is right now." I sure do like the aggressive US pricing if those figures above are accurate. That's almost 40% cheaper than the prices on JBL's English site which seems almost to good to be true.

Doc Mark
11-04-2014, 12:57 PM
Greetings, All,

Well, I have to say, I'm not one of those who changes his mind all the time, when it comes to my JBL's. I love our L300's, and have wanted to add just a few more JBL models to my selection of systems. But, I don't see myself getting rid of the L300's, nor most of the rest of the systems I will end up having (4-way system, L250's, and a few others, to name a few). It's fun to have a few, choice systems, and I hope to someday use them all in our home. Other than that, I have few aspirations towards the current crop of JBL offerings. No room, not enough money, and hey, pretty darn happy and blessed to have what I already own, and will soon own!! ;) :D Just my two cents, but hey, I'm sticking with what I have!! :bouncy: Take care, and God Bless!

Every Good Wish,
Doc

P.S. AudioMagnate, I'm still sad that you sold your own L300's, and most especially, now that they are actually in limbo in Texas!! Maybe on our next gig in Texas, I should go by and liberate them!! I can see that HT system now: 4-way pair as R&L channels; a single 4333 for the center; L300's as the side fills, and a pair of L300's as the rear speakers!! That would be kind of fun, IMHO!! Yeah..... like that would ever happen, right?!!?!

Dave_72
11-05-2014, 02:25 AM
I don't even believe myself anymore when I say "I'm completely happy with my system as it is right now." I sure do like the aggressive US pricing if those figures above are accurate. That's almost 40% cheaper than the prices on JBL's English site which seems almost to good to be true.

Exactly. So you know what I mean. Anyway, we'll see what happens. On paper, the 4365 is the better speaker than the S4700, but will I like the sound better? Hard to say. I need to go to a dealer where I can hear them side by side.

I like the pricing too. And I find it rather funny that you can order the 4365s from the UK website if you want a pair right now.

4313B
11-05-2014, 03:06 AM
I wouldn't mind to sale my 4338 for 4365... Wouldn't you ?M2.
I don't see what the market for the 4365 will be now that the M2 is around...The M2 doesn't have a blue baffle... ;)
4429 is studio monitor and has a competitive price,but S3900 is only a family product.i wish some people can compare them.:blink:JBL Professional did not design the 4429, it is a JBL Consumer product.
4429 is less expensive than the 3900.That is very interesting. My hesitation would be that G.T. designed the S3900 many years after the 4429 so the voicing could be substantially different. A comparison listen could definitely be in order.
On paper, the 4365 is the better speaker than the S4700The 4365 components are very nice. It could be tempting to put the 2216Nd from the M2/S4700 with the 476Mg/H4365 and apply the Crowns.
I really like the 1501Fe from the 4365 too though. I consider it the best JBL ferrite transducer "available".
If I had a pair of S4700's the first thing I'd do would be tune them down to the M2 Fb and bi-amp them with the Crowns.
There is no way the top end of the S4700 can compete with the M2, on paper, but I'd be damned if I wouldn't give it a try if I couldn't spring for some M2's instead.
The top end of the 4365 can compete with the M2. If I had a pair I'd apply the Crowns in place of the passive filters and never look back. But then that would end up costing more than simply buying the M2's so...
See how all this ends up?

but will I like the sound better? Hard to say. I need to go to a dealer where I can hear them side by side.That's really what it comes down to.
Fair warning - DON'T listen to a pair of M2's if you can't afford them or if you can't accept the fact that you would have to live without them.

Mctwins
11-05-2014, 03:41 AM
JBL Professional did not design the 4429, it is a JBL Consumer product.

Not according to the boxes:D

http://www.audioheritage.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?35547-My-new-JBL-4429&p=360203&viewfull=1#post360203

Greg Timbers is the designer of the 4429.:)

4313B
11-05-2014, 03:48 AM
Not according to the boxes:D

http://www.audioheritage.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?35547-My-new-JBL-4429&p=360203&viewfull=1#post360203

Greg Timbers is the designer of the 4429.:)I know it is confusing. They were manufactured by JBL Professional Manufacturing, now known as Harman Audio de Mexico since the move from Northridge in 2010. ;)
A few years ago I called JBL Professional to get a recone kit for a 1500AL, just for fun, since those too came in the JBL Professional Pretty Print boxes, and JBL Professional responded "What is a 1500AL?" :rotfl:

JBL Professional Manufacturing, aka HAdM, also manufactures pretty much everything else in the Consumer line, DD65000, DD66000, DD67000, K2-S9900, S4700, etc.

Mctwins
11-05-2014, 03:57 AM
I know it is confusing. They were manufactured by JBL Professional Manufacturing, now known as Harman Audio de Mexico since the move from Northridge in 2010. ;)
A few years ago I called JBL Professional to get a recone kit for a 1500AL, just for fun, since those too came in the JBL Professional Pretty Print boxes, and JBL Professional responded "What is a 1500AL?" :rotfl:

I know, it say's the same on the boxes of my PRX600 series, namly "Professional Series", and it also say's "JBL by Harman". I agree, very confusing, but, who cares, as long it sounds good. :D

4313B
11-05-2014, 04:02 AM
I know, it say's the same on the boxes of my PRX600 series, namly "Professional Series", and it also say's "JBL by Harman". I agree, very confusing, but, who cares, as long it sounds good. :DMy point was that I don't think studios are buying 4429's, rather they are buying JBL Professional monitors from the JBL Professional catalog. I suppose I could be wrong. And yeah, I agree, I personally prefer the 4429. ;) One of my all time favorite "bookshelf" systems.

Mctwins
11-05-2014, 04:12 AM
My point was that I don't think studios are buying 4429's, rather they are buying JBL Professional monitors from the JBL Professional catalog. I suppose I could be wrong. And yeah, I agree, I personally prefer the 4429. ;) One of my all time favorite "bookshelf" systems.

Understand....

It schould be in the pro side those blue painting loudspeakers instead of the consumer side...just my opinion.

4313B
11-05-2014, 04:47 AM
Just to be clear, Greg doesn't do JBL Professional, he hasn't since the split back in the 80's. If I remember correctly, the 4425 was his last design for JBL Professional. He showed it to me during one of my visits before it was introduced.

Dave_72
11-05-2014, 10:37 AM
M2.The M2 doesn't have a blue baffle... ;)JBL Professional did not design the 4429, it is a JBL Consumer product.That is very interesting. My hesitation would be that G.T. designed the S3900 many years after the 4429 so the voicing could be substantially different. A comparison listen could definitely be in order.The 4365 components are very nice. It could be tempting to put the 2216Nd from the M2/S4700 with the 476Mg/H4365 and apply the Crowns.
I really like the 1501Fe from the 4365 too though. I consider it the best JBL ferrite transducer "available".
If I had a pair of S4700's the first thing I'd do would be tune them down to the M2 Fb and bi-amp them with the Crowns.
There is no way the top end of the S4700 can compete with the M2, on paper, but I'd be damned if I wouldn't give it a try if I couldn't spring for some M2's instead.
The top end of the 4365 can compete with the M2. If I had a pair I'd apply the Crowns in place of the passive filters and never look back. But then that would end up costing more than simply buying the M2's so...
See how all this ends up?
That's really what it comes down to.
Fair warning - DON'T listen to a pair of M2's if you can't afford them or if you can't accept the fact that you would have to live without them.

I see, well I was talkin' about the S4700 up against the 4365. From what you're saying, the 4365 is the better choice. As for the M2s, I would get them, but I don't care for Levinson and I'm leery about Crown.

macaroonie
11-05-2014, 11:21 AM
I see, well I was talkin' about the S4700 up against the 4365. From what you're saying, the 4365 is the better choice. As for the M2s, I would get them, but I don't care for Levinson and I'm leery about Crown.

Surprised you would say that about ML Dave , in my experience they are the least audible of most amps.
However since the M2 parameters are openly available ( 4313 posted a while back ) there is nothing to stop you using your favourite flavour of amp and DSP controller.
Clearly there has been much discussion re how to eq the speaker v the room etc but the modern DSP units seem to have really come of age. When you consider how easy it is to dial in phase correction , micro adjustments of FR etc it seem to me to be a no brainer.

One caveat , knowing Harman as I do I would fully expect to see trickle down from the M2 at the upper end of the scale in pro and parallel development in handsome boxes in consumer. For example I could easily see a 99000 ' upgrade ' but using the DSP package. I hasten to say I have no knowledge of this , just reading the tea leaves.

Actually my natural curiosity would have me doing a ' M2 ' on the S4700

Anyway , as ever, the best of luck with your quest.


Mac

pos
11-05-2014, 12:31 PM
However since the M2 parameters are openly available ( 4313 posted a while back ) there is nothing to stop you using your favourite flavour of amp and DSP controller.c

Beware, different DSP units use different EQ and shelving conventions, and with such a fine tuned system any difference will have audible consequences.
I wrote a small document on how to adapt those M2 parameters to different DSP units: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1bzJyui75ZG_-wjV95dqKSbFs1Xh87bk2qlc-qS7Kk_Y/edit?usp=sharing

Still, it is hard to find a unit with enough flexibility and EQ points to fit the bill.

I will publish some openDRC presets for the M2, using FIR corrections generated with rephase, leaving all the IIR EQ points available for room tuning.
One openDRC (and stereo amp) per speaker would be a perfect match.

4313B
11-05-2014, 02:22 PM
I wrote a small document on how to adapt those M2 parameters to different DSP units: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1bzJyui75ZG_-wjV95dqKSbFs1Xh87bk2qlc-qS7Kk_Y/edit?usp=sharing
Nice! :)



Still, it is hard to find a unit with enough flexibility and EQ points to fit the bill.Yep.

Dave_72
11-05-2014, 02:36 PM
Surprised you would say that about ML Dave , in my experience they are the least audible of most amps.
However since the M2 parameters are openly available ( 4313 posted a while back ) there is nothing to stop you using your favourite flavour of amp and DSP controller.
Clearly there has been much discussion re how to eq the speaker v the room etc but the modern DSP units seem to have really come of age. When you consider how easy it is to dial in phase correction , micro adjustments of FR etc it seem to me to be a no brainer.

One caveat , knowing Harman as I do I would fully expect to see trickle down from the M2 at the upper end of the scale in pro and parallel development in handsome boxes in consumer. For example I could easily see a 99000 ' upgrade ' but using the DSP package. I hasten to say I have no knowledge of this , just reading the tea leaves.

Actually my natural curiosity would have me doing a ' M2 ' on the S4700

Anyway , as ever, the best of luck with your quest.


Mac

Levinson really doesn't do anything for me. I prefer Accuphase, Pass Labs, Luxman, and McIntosh. These are expensive, yes, but very well engineered and not tweaky ultra-esoteric products.

So really, I wanna know if it's worth selling the S4700s and get the 4365s instead. Not serious here at the moment, just curious.

Thank you, I appreciate that. I want the best sound, but it has to please me first and appeal to my tastes.

4313B
11-05-2014, 03:25 PM
So really, I wanna know if it's worth selling the S4700s and get the 4365s instead. Not serious here at the moment, just curious.You are going to have to hear the 4365.

Dave_72
11-05-2014, 04:47 PM
You are going to have to hear the 4365.

Ok, thanks. :cool:

bigyank
11-07-2014, 08:43 AM
I hope the day is very soon. I would love to get a pair of the 4429's for my critical listening space. That would then drive me to upgrade all my electronics too! :applaud:

LowPhreak
11-07-2014, 10:11 AM
Levinson really doesn't do anything for me. ...

I'm in that camp as well. I had a No. 383 integrated for a short while some years ago. It seemed as if ML was going for a tube-like sound but it came off as dry and somewhat lifeless to me. Not to bash ML, because I haven't heard any of their products since then and they may well not have the same gestalt, I don't know.

Anyway, carry on!


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audiomagnate
11-07-2014, 12:23 PM
I hope the day is very soon. I would love to get a pair of the 4429's for my critical listening space. That would then drive me to upgrade all my electronics too! :applaud:

Me too!


You are going to have to hear the 4365.

Are you saying you really like them? More than the 4700? Would you say JBL's second best speaker except for the M2?


My point was that I don't think studios are buying 4429's, rather they are buying JBL Professional monitors from the JBL Professional catalog. I suppose I could be wrong. And yeah, I agree, I personally prefer the 4429. ;) One of my all time favorite "bookshelf" systems.

Yeah, studios are buying self powered two ways (just like M2's, only cheaper!). I really like the fact that 4429's have a 7K crossover to the tweeter. I hate not being able to hear tweeters, as I'm used to 2405's at 8k, which you can hear down the hall. I just hope the mids are as good as in the L300s.

Dave_72
11-07-2014, 01:03 PM
Are you saying you really like them? More than the 4700? Would you say JBL's second best speaker except for the M2?

Good question!

Dave_72
11-07-2014, 01:09 PM
I'm in that camp as well. I had a No. 383 integrated for a short while some years ago. It seemed as if ML was going for a tube-like sound but it came off as dry and somewhat lifeless to me. Not to bash ML, because I haven't heard any of their products since then and they may well not have the same gestalt, I don't know.

Anyway, carry on!


6355863559

Well, I have heard Levinson over the past 25 or so years, and despite the several changes in ownership, the sound is as you described; dry, lifeless, and dark. I can't say for the stuff from the 70s to early 80s when Levinson the man was still the head honcho, and the late Tom Colangelo was the head designer. Anyway, the company in it's various incarnations has been around for over 40 years, so I guess they're doing something right. But imo, there's better amps and preamps out there to be had that'll bring the JBLs to life.