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ronaltronics
03-19-2014, 07:29 PM
I find this driver very interesting with all the thought JBL put into building this driver. I think it has 7 new patents and even the voice coil wire is all new.

What are all the patents?

stephane RAME
03-20-2014, 09:40 AM
2216ND Differential Drive®Woofer

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stephane RAME
03-20-2014, 09:50 AM
http://www.audioheritage.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?33565-2216Nd

Stéphane

ronaltronics
03-22-2014, 08:36 AM
Thanks for that,

For fun the other day I did a side by side of the S-4700 and Array 1400's.

Played a ton of my own music I have collected over forty years. I think everyone in this forum raves about the 1400's, and rightfully so because I fell in love with the sound from day one. Now the S-4700 have come out and I must say I love the sound they reproduce also.

What is amazing to me is you would think they would sound very similar but in my opinion they sound entirely different. I did find they bass extension on both extremely good but The S-4700's just delivered the same low frequency much more accurately and far faster tighter, if that is the right description.

So to anyone trying to analyze these two products I would say spend at least 1 hour going back and fourth to determine what your ears prefer.

For me I would get a pair of each.

1audiohack
03-22-2014, 11:57 AM
What is amazing to me is you would think they would sound very similar but in my opinion they sound entirely different. I did find they bass extension on both extremely good but The S-4700's just delivered the same low frequency much more accurately and far faster tighter, if that is the right description.

Thats exactly the way I hear it. That 2216Nd is a sweetheart for sure. In my experience with all these only the 1500 /1501Al series drivers can best them.

Barry.

hlaari
03-22-2014, 04:58 PM
Thats exactly the way I hear it. That 2216Nd is a sweetheart for sure. In my experience with all these only the 1500 /1501Al series drivers can best them.

Barry.

And also 1501Fe

Robh3606
03-23-2014, 07:44 AM
Here's what they look like in the flesh

Rob:)

Mr. Widget
03-23-2014, 09:13 AM
For fun the other day I did a side by side of the S-4700 and Array 1400's.

Played a ton of my own music I have collected over forty years. I think everyone in this forum raves about the 1400's, and rightfully so because I fell in love with the sound from day one. Now the S-4700 have come out and I must say I love the sound they reproduce also.

I did find they bass extension on both extremely good but The S-4700's just delivered the same low frequency much more accurately and far faster tighter, if that is the right description.
For me the magic of the 1400 Array is entirely in the horn... it's overall smoothness but most especially the imaging. The bass of the 1400 is fine, quite pleasant in fact, but it certainly isn't the ultimate in detail and resolution.


Widget

martin_wu99
03-23-2014, 09:55 AM
Thanks for that,

For fun the other day I did a side by side of the S-4700 and Array 1400's.

Played a ton of my own music I have collected over forty years. I think everyone in this forum raves about the 1400's, and rightfully so because I fell in love with the sound from day one. Now the S-4700 have come out and I must say I love the sound they reproduce also.

What is amazing to me is you would think they would sound very similar but in my opinion they sound entirely different. I did find they bass extension on both extremely good but The S-4700's just delivered the same low frequency much more accurately and far faster tighter, if that is the right description.

So to anyone trying to analyze these two products I would say spend at least 1 hour going back and fourth to determine what your ears prefer.


For me I would get a pair of each.
According to 4313B,1400 can give you real old school bass,4700 and 4365 even 9900 can not offer this:blink:

ronaltronics
03-23-2014, 11:13 AM
Thanks for the driver Pictures What a masterpiece at that price range. I hope they offer more models with that driver in the future because right now it is just the M2 and S-4700.

I would like a model between the S-4700 and K2-9900 with this woofer and a compression driver midrange and UHF that is a little more heavy duty than what is in the S-4700.

Hope Greg reads this.

martin_wu99
03-24-2014, 09:43 AM
Thanks for the driver Pictures What a masterpiece at that price range. I hope they offer more models with that driver in the future because right now it is just the M2 and S-4700.

I would like a model between the S-4700 and K2-9900 with this woofer and a compression driver midrange and UHF that is a little more heavy duty than what is in the S-4700.

Hope Greg reads this.
Doesn't 4365 do this job very well?

Valentin
03-24-2014, 05:33 PM
Well the M2 is the one in the midile of the K2 9900 and the S4700

the M2 has a better compresion driver than the S4700 and a great horn plus its active

below the s4700 you have the array 1400 whichi s a very good speaker

so i see it dificult to go down or up having the 1500al family

now imagine a Everest DD68000 K2 10000 active with the 1500al family and a new horn with a nice berilum compresion driver

ronaltronics
03-24-2014, 07:59 PM
Sorry I should be more specific. What I was meaning is a consumer Model loudspeaker.

The M-2 is a professional loudspeaker that I do not think most audiophiles will put in there living room plus they have no passive crossover within the loudspeaker.

The 4365 studio monitor series is not sold in Canada and I do not think it is available for the U.S. Either.

So for me back to wishing for a consumer model product in between.

martin_wu99
03-25-2014, 02:12 AM
Well the M2 is the one in the midile of the K2 9900 and the S4700

the M2 has a better compresion driver than the S4700 and a great horn plus its active

below the s4700 you have the array 1400 whichi s a very good speaker

so i see it dificult to go down or up having the 1500al family

now imagine a Everest DD68000 K2 10000 active with the 1500al family and a new horn with a nice berilum compresion driver
DD68000 and K2 10000?:eek:that's a great dream,i like them:D

martin_wu99
03-25-2014, 02:26 AM
Sorry I should be more specific. What I was meaning is a consumer Model loudspeaker.

The M-2 is a professional loudspeaker that I do not think most audiophiles will put in there living room plus they have no passive crossover within the loudspeaker.

The 4365 studio monitor series is not sold in Canada and I do not think it is available for the U.S. Either.

So for me back to wishing for a consumer model product in between.
Then M2 home edition (within crossover in it) must be your wish:D

shoshaw
03-25-2014, 02:49 AM
Sorry I should be more specific. What I was meaning is a consumer Model loudspeaker.

The M-2 is a professional loudspeaker that I do not think most audiophiles will put in there living room plus they have no passive crossover within the loudspeaker.

The 4365 studio monitor series is not sold in Canada and I do not think it is available for the U.S. Either.

So for me back to wishing for a consumer model product in between.

I am an audiophile and I have a set of M2s in my listening room. They are better than the K2 (IMO) in every way except visually. Everyone I know who has encountered a properly setup M2 system is amazed by their realism. Don't count them out simply because they carry the "Pro" badge!

ronaltronics
03-25-2014, 12:04 PM
Did you purchase them with the electronics that go with them?

Or are you running electronic crossover's from some manufacturer, Or some type of passive crossover?

if you purchased them for your listening room with all the electronics and software,amplifiers etc what price range does that take you roughly.

Valentin
03-25-2014, 12:19 PM
20 grand with crown itech 5000hd per pair

ronaltronics
04-01-2014, 06:16 PM
I guess you have to purchase it as an entire kit or it just will not work properly. For 20,000.00 U.S. dollars sounds like it would be a fine set up.

I have run the S-4700's with the Bryston 28 sst2 Mono blocks and the Krell Evolution 600e mono blocks and boy they just sound FANTASTIC.

When I get the new Arcam Products in I will take them for another spin.

baldrick
04-02-2014, 02:54 PM
Does anyone have a source for 2216ND? I've tried locally but neither pro or consumer can get them for me...

macaroonie
04-02-2014, 03:22 PM
In the fullness of time I would expect to see the M2 technology filter over to consumer products.

audiomagnate
04-03-2014, 01:07 PM
In the fullness of time I would expect to see the M2 technology filter over to consumer products.

The "image enhancer" technology, or whatever they call call the new waveguide has already trickled down into their very affordable small monitors. I'm sure a more living room friendly model that uses the D2 driver is in the works.

Valentin
04-03-2014, 06:42 PM
A 2" mini D2 driver has been developed and i can bet you will see it in the new "M3" monitor

you can see it in this Video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jsu61g_hreg

at minute 5.33

pos
04-04-2014, 02:08 AM
That would be the D2415K: http://www.audioheritage.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?35490-D2415k

In the video around 7:00 there is a transducer engineer (Ralph Hyde) demonstrating differential and braking coils with a LSR28 woofer, and exposing the gains of these technologies in term of distortion reduction. Having recently tested a pair of 252G (12" woofers from the LSR32) using the same technologies, I must say I was not impressed: distortion figures were much higher than a pair of good ol' 128H-1, especially down low...

ivica
04-04-2014, 07:30 AM
A 2" mini D2 driver has been developed and i can bet you will see it in the new "M3" monitor

you can see it in this Video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jsu61g_hreg

at minute 5.33

Hi,
As I can understand at 5.33 is some kind of 1" driver is shown

regards
Ivica

martin_wu99
04-07-2014, 07:49 AM
A 2" mini D2 driver has been developed and i can bet you will see it in the new "M3" monitor

you can see it in this Video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jsu61g_hreg

at minute 5.33
It is amazing,waiting for cheap M3:applaud:

Valentin
04-07-2014, 10:26 AM
Hi,
As I can understand at 5.33 is some kind of 1" driver is shown

regards
Ivica


it clearly says 2" voicecoil

ivica
04-08-2014, 02:18 AM
it clearly says 2" voicecoil

I have thought about the horn throat size, not the VC size.
as D2430K is 3-inch VC , but 1.5inch mouth size.

regards
ivica

Valentin
04-09-2014, 02:27 PM
ok :) talking the same thing with difrent prespective