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midlife
01-08-2013, 05:02 PM
4410's how do they sound? If compared to L96 or L36...any thoughts. Are the 4410's a desireable speaker known to perform well?

SEAWOLF97
01-08-2013, 05:46 PM
4410's how do they sound? If compared to L96 or L36...any thoughts. Are the 4410's a desireable speaker known to perform well?

I flat out loved mine ...but they became a victim of "just too many quality speakers in one house" syndrome. They are many times described as "clinical or cool" and never as "warm/fun". They blow L36's clean off the planet . but their spaghetti wood veneer is not universally admired, the 4410's grilles SUCK ...posts can be broken by looking at them sideways, I think.

Really.... they are a mastering monitor, not a home sounding consumer speaker.

I guess it depends on if you are looking for Good Time Charlie or Dr. DeBakey :dont-know:

midlife
01-08-2013, 06:00 PM
hmmm; thought the L36's could be considered "good time Charlie" but your experience has the 4410's blowing them away. My listening experience might not lend itself to a melody by Dr. Debakey, or I really like my L166 and am looking for another pair of 3ways that won't stray too far from the Horizons that suit my tastes very well. How much of a party pooper would a pair of Century 100's be?

SEAWOLF97
01-08-2013, 06:44 PM
hmmm; thought the L36's could be considered "good time Charlie" but your experience has the 4410's blowing them away. My listening experience might not lend itself to a melody by Dr. Debakey, or I really like my L166 and am looking for another pair of 3ways that won't stray too far from the Horizons that suit my tastes very well. How much of a party pooper would a pair of Century 100's be?

the L100's are a step below the L166's IMHO ...Century xover is just too basic....it runs woofer "full range" and overlaps into mid ranges range. Look for more 166's ?

I'm a fan of the "Ti" series ..have 250 & 18's ....would like to audition the 120ti , 3 way 12 inch evolution of the 100/166 with the Ti tweet.

actually preferred the 2 way L26 over the same driver 3 way L36 ....network plays a big factor.....ie: did NOT care for the L80T , but the nearly identical drivers in the 4410 with a different xover yielded much different results.

midlife
01-08-2013, 07:02 PM
Wonder if 4311 xovers might help a Centurys' sound. Or maybe there is a tried and true xover mod or replacement that does in fact "fix" the Centurys' xover issue?

macaroonie
01-08-2013, 07:20 PM
http://www.troelsgravesen.dk/JBL_L100.htm

gferrell
01-08-2013, 07:20 PM
I have 4412A's in my man cave mounted as bookshelves over a pool table in a narrow room as near field monitors. They sound wonderful. Very clear and accurate and the room is just right for them. I have heard the 4410 has a tighter bass for music but the 4412 sounds fine.57897

SEAWOLF97
01-08-2013, 07:58 PM
http://www.troelsgravesen.dk/JBL_L100.htm

good link/nfo , thanx Mac

" And we might as well take a look at the original crossover right away, because it's simplicity itself: 8 uF to the mid and 3 uF to the tweeter. That's all! Both drivers connected via an L-Pad for attenuation. Mid connected with inverted polarity. Having a 12" bass driver running full range is a bold choice and a lot of work must have gone into designing the 123A driver to produce a smooth roll off. "

midlife
01-09-2013, 06:27 AM
Well I "need" another pair of 3ways and my preferred choices L166, L150, L112, 4410/4412 are now much to expensive. So I found a very minty pair of Century 100's for $250...what to do? Anybody ever got the Century's up to speed with the Jantzen xover or any other xover/mod?

Rolf
01-09-2013, 07:03 AM
4410's how do they sound? If compared to L96 or L36...any thoughts. Are the 4410's a desireable speaker known to perform well?

I like them very much, but remember this is a near field monitor doesn't play very laud.

Rolf

SEAWOLF97
01-09-2013, 09:35 AM
Well I "need" another pair of 3ways and my preferred choices L166, L150, L112, 4410/4412 are now much to expensive. So I found a very minty pair of Century 100's for $250...what to do? Anybody ever got the Century's up to speed with the Jantzen xover or any other xover/mod?

from your posts, in the 3 way 10's, I've owned L26,L36,4410 (preferred 4410)
in the 3 way 12's ..L100,L166,4412 (preferred L166)

sold the L166;s ( 3 pairs) @ 400 ea. 4412@500 4410@400 L26/36 abt 200 gave the L100's to my son, so can't sell them.

Your mebbe L100's @250 + 212 for crossovers put their new cost in the middle of those ranges...L96 has a lot of followers.

Somebody asked me for a comparo of L166-4412. I answered that 51 out of a hundred times the L166 would win.

Have now gone smaller ...18Ti's with a JBL PS100 10inch powered sub ...I like that combo too.

midlife
01-09-2013, 09:49 AM
from your posts, in the 3 way 10's, I've owned L26,L36,4410 (preferred 4410)
in the 3 way 12's ..L100,L166,4412 (preferred L166)

sold the L166;s ( 3 pairs) @ 400 ea. 4412@500 4410@400 L26/36 abt 200 gave the L100's to my son, so can't sell them.

Your mebbe L100's @250 + 212 for crossovers put their new cost in the middle of those ranges...L96 has a lot of followers.

Somebody asked me for a comparo of L166-4412. I answered that 51 out of a hundred times the L166 would win.

Have now gone smaller ...18Ti's with a JBL PS100 10inch powered sub ...I like that combo too.

Who makes the $212 xovers and will they make the Centurys perform? I have both L166's and 96's which I like but for me the 166's are amazing.

gferrell
01-09-2013, 06:48 PM
I like them very much, but remember this is a near field monitor doesn't play very laud.

Rolf

Maybe not that loud in a concert hall sitting 30 rows back!

midlife
01-11-2013, 11:11 AM
So I got 'em, (excellent shape, $250) the Century 100's and read alot about the various reasons why they won't sound good (xover, driver array) and yep they don't sound as good as my other JBL's. Tried a little experiment mostly aimed at helping tame the bass; I put them on low rise tilt back risers vertically with the woofer at the top. This did help, might restrict the port and turn them right side up and see what that does. If I want to install better xovers do I have to get the somewhat costly aftermarket kits or can I find a JBL 3 way xover that does improve the L100's xover shortcomings.

hjames
01-11-2013, 11:23 AM
So I got 'em, (excellent shape, $250) the Century 100's and read alot about the various reasons why they won't sound good (xover, driver array) and yep they don't sound as good as my other JBL's. Tried a little experiment mostly aimed at helping tame the bass; I put them on low rise tilt back risers vertically with the woofer at the top. This did help, might restrict the port and turn them right side up and see what that does. If I want to install better xovers do I have to get the somewhat costly aftermarket kits or can I find a JBL 3 way xover that does improve the L100's xover shortcomings.

Guess I am confused - the way it started, the thread was about 4410s -
but the L100 [Century] is related to the much older 4310 speakers.

I got a pair of L100s in very clean shape a couple years back for about $150 -
got new grills, cleaned them up, sold them for about $600 shipped to FL -

Didn't particularly care for them - dry and dull, like the 4310s -
but nice because selling those speakers funded other gear I did like :banana:

SEAWOLF97
01-11-2013, 11:38 AM
So I got 'em, (excellent shape, $250) the Century 100's and read alot about the various reasons why they won't sound good (xover, driver array) and yep they don't sound as good as my other JBL's.

the pair that I gave my son are still here and I'd been using them to play music from the PC ...they were OK as they were augmented with a pair of Sonance MB30's for HF. have no experience with xover upgrades to them, only what Mac's link said..

Centuries were replaced in my installation with AMT 10b's and havn't looked back.

Thats a fine price in the current market ...the pots prolly need cleaning, as flat spots are bound to be there by now.

midlife
01-11-2013, 02:32 PM
Guess I am confused - the way it started, the thread was about 4410s -
but the L100 [Century] is related to the much older 4310 speakers.

I got a pair of L100s in very clean shape a couple years back for about $150 -
got new grills, cleaned them up, sold them for about $600 shipped to FL -

Didn't particularly care for them - dry and dull, like the 4310s -
but nice because selling those speakers funded other gear I did like :banana:

Yes I did drift off the original topic a bit...anywho these Century's are very very clean, I really would like to plug in a more suitable JBL 3way xover and see if this could be a nice system but they could be flipped for more than I paid...no regrets

hjames
01-11-2013, 02:42 PM
Yes I did drift off the original topic a bit...
anywho these Century's are very very clean, I really would like to plug in a more suitable JBL 3way xover
and see if this could be a nice system but they could be flipped for more than I paid...no regrets

Tweaking old "classics" like the L100 into something else rarely returns the money you put into them.
So rather than try and make them something they are not,
probably best sell them on the open market and put the money
into a newer model with a sound you like better.

Rolf
01-11-2013, 04:00 PM
:D:D you got it.


Maybe not that loud in a concert hall sitting 30 rows back!

gferrell
01-11-2013, 08:42 PM
:D:D you got it.

You are a good man Rolf!

midlife
01-14-2013, 06:45 PM
Tweaking old "classics" like the L100 into something else rarely returns the money you put into them.
So rather than try and make them something they are not,
probably best sell them on the open market and put the money
into a newer model with a sound you like better.

Plugged a Soundcraftsman EQ into the system and with a little fader tweaking the Centuries sound much better, quite listenable :)

hjames
01-14-2013, 07:59 PM
Plugged a Soundcraftsman EQ into the system and with a little fader tweaking the Centuries sound much better, quite listenable :)
Brilliant - and with no changes to the speakers themselves or their sale-value - a great strategy!

Doctor_Electron
01-23-2013, 02:38 PM
I have one pair 4410 and one pair 4412. The 4410's have inferior bass sonics vs. those of the 4412's. The 4412's sound a bit more "open" and their bass is very tight. But... Try as I may in the Near/Midfield enviornment, with the 4412's I have not been able to evoke the truly superb imaging of the 4410's.

The bass sonics of the 4410's are OK, UNLESS... they are used with subwoofers. I had them set to a response of -3db @ 125 hz. by way of .022 uF caps at the input of the "high" amp (Alesis Matica). Then their mid-bass function was truly suberb, and made the upper registers sound very clean.

The resultant first order high-pass characteristic segued perfectly with a low-pass first order "Network" (a Gold Sound 10 mh inductor) between the bass amp (Hafler DH-220) and a 2235H in a 5 cu. ft. enclosure, one per stereo channel. A "Zobel?" network, 12uF in series with a 10 ohm resistor, was also used from the "+" to "-" network outputs going to the bass drivers.

I had also used a Borbely 50 w/ch. kit amp from Audio Amateur Mag. It was way better sounding than the Hafler, but lacked the power needed for higher SPL.

I did not notice any ill effects of the 2235's with first order alignment filtering.

The inductors were "trimmed" to -3db @ 125 hz by way of removing a few turns. I used a GenRad Digibridge to make the left & right inductors identical. A very nice piece of gear.

I plan to build a pair of enclosures that will allow the components of the 4412's to be put in the vertical alignment scheme of the 4410's. That should give the tighter bass of the 128H and great imaging.

Sorry the post got a bit long winded.

gferrell
01-23-2013, 03:02 PM
Sounds like a great project, please post pictures when done.