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Cornholio
11-13-2012, 01:01 PM
I'm a happy owner of 250 Ti which I currently drive with McIntosh 452 amp. But the upgrade itch never leaves me as I keep hearing about the magic of 43 series. I keep longing for even bigger bass, more punch and dynamics and more "in your gut" sound. Will 4345 give me all that? Are there areas where 250 Ti is better?

richluvsound
11-13-2012, 02:23 PM
They are a very different beast ..... 250ti are hifi ... 4345 are a monitor . You need a lot of room to get the 4345 to perform anywhere near their potential .

If you have the room go for the 4345 and you wont regret it . They are not not plug and play . Like any classic they take work . I would give the 45 as much quality power as you can afford .

I hope others will chime in with their experience !

Rich

HCSGuy
11-13-2012, 02:25 PM
They are completely different speakers - listen to the 43xx before you buy them and make sure you like them. They are not an upgrade from the 250Ti's; they are too different (get both so that you can listen to whichever one suits your mood). The 250Ti's have detail and imaging; the 43xx have in your face slam. BTW, I do not have 4345's, but have used my 4343's with a pair of B460 Subs, which is probably pretty close. If you want the detail and imaging of the 250Ti's but with more slam, I'd look to JBL's newer offerings like the S4700.

rdgrimes
11-13-2012, 03:37 PM
What about adding a couple subs to the 250ti? Kind of depends on your specific use, but it can be a big help for some setups.

Cornholio
11-13-2012, 03:58 PM
Let me try to explain - while I love the detail of 250 Ti they are a bit too modern sounding, too Hi Fi (or even Hi End). They compared VERY favourably with B&W 800 Diamonds for Christ sake! There is clear separation between bass, mids and highs - now some folks may ask what's wrong about it? Nothing at all. But the JBL's I fell in love a few years ago were L150's - while there were nowhere near 250's in quality of each sound they had an incredible in your face TOGETHERNESS of sound that was just jumping out of the speakers with my modest McIntosh 6900 integrated. They sounded big, warm and fat - you know the feeling when you go "That's how this 1977 LP was meant to sound back in the day!". I just kept forgetting about all audiophile analysis and kept rocking one album after another. Now that I have a great McIntosh set up of 1100 CD player/500 tube preamp/452 amp I want to experience this togetherness that made me a JBL fan but on another level. That's why I thought about 4345.

BMWCCA
11-13-2012, 08:45 PM
Don't take my word for it:

http://www.audioheritage.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?10613-4345-Includes-Designer-s-Post&p=110349&viewfull=1#post110349 (http://www.audioheritage.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?10613-4345-Includes-Designer-s-Post&p=110349&viewfull=1#post110349)


Greg Timbers wrote: "Before closing I should comment briefly about the 250 - 4345 comparison. Simply put, I prefer a 250. I like the bass quality of the LE14 woofer. Alway have and always will. The 2245 when used as a dedicated sub is one of the best sounding woofers ever. It has an amazing blend of speed, pitch and punch. So does the 14" but the 18" is better. Unfortunately the 18" dislike for passive networks hurts it more than the 14" is hurt by a passive network. I think the mid and high range on the 250 is smoother and much more open however the 4345 wins by a bunch in terms of effortless dynamic sound. I have made all of the above changes to 250 systems (except for separate amp on UHF) and the improvement is huge. I have not done so on the 4345 but I suspect that that system will benefit from theses changes more than a 250 would. If both systems were tweaked out to about the same level, I suspect it would be very hard to come up with a clear overall winner, but I think I might lean towards the 4345 as having the greater potential."

Cornholio
11-14-2012, 11:42 AM
All this talk about crossovers, networks etc scares me off big time. I'm afraid 4345 will not sound good simply driven by McIntosh 452...

rdgrimes
11-14-2012, 11:56 AM
I'd consider the 4345 to be more of a sideways move than an upgrade. As would one of the horn-based systems. (1400 Array)
To me, an upgrade would be a PT800/PS1400 stack or the Ti10K.

Also true that what you might need is a re-evaluation of the placement and setup of your 250ti. They really should be offering everything and more than the L150 you were familiar with.

HCSGuy
11-14-2012, 12:59 PM
It sounds like you need to to some listening before committing your $$. Do you have any way to listen to 43xx monitors, or do you have to buy a set and have them shipped in before you can hear them?

mike
11-14-2012, 04:37 PM
Maybe it's a matter of prefering a 3 way over a 4 way. I too have found that some times I like the the older 3 ways better. Maybe the L220 would be a good speaker for you to try.
Mike

JBLAddict
11-14-2012, 04:50 PM
I'd consider the 4345 to be more of a sideways move than an upgrade. As would one of the horn-based systems. (1400 Array)
To me, an upgrade would be a PT800/PS1400 stack or the Ti10K.

Also true that what you might need is a re-evaluation of the placement and setup of your 250ti. They really should be offering everything and more than the L150 you were familiar with.

what I'd give to have my long lusted after Ti10K, and 250Ti, next to my PS Stack, for comparison :duel:

Cornholio
11-15-2012, 06:26 AM
Maybe it's a matter of prefering a 3 way over a 4 way. I too have found that some times I like the the older 3 ways better. Maybe the L220 would be a good speaker for you to try.
Mike

Sure it could be. How different would the L220 sound compared to 250 and 4345?

martin_wu99
11-15-2012, 10:21 PM
I'm a happy owner of 250 Ti which I currently drive with McIntosh 452 amp. But the upgrade itch never leaves me as I keep hearing about the magic of 43 series. I keep longing for even bigger bass, more punch and dynamics and more "in your gut" sound. Will 4345 give me all that? Are there areas where 250 Ti is better?
250Ti is not on the same level of 4345.If you like JBL,you must to try big 43xx.
In my word, without horns, JBL is no more JBL.

richluvsound
11-16-2012, 01:51 AM
250Ti is not on the same level of 4345.If you like JBL,you must to try big 43xx.
In my word, without horns, JBL is no more JBL.


If I ever build another pair ,I would use 4313b's design , CC networks, 2" driver and truextent Berylium dia ..... that said ,the 2245 is worth the admission money any day of the week .

If you want to put the time and money into them 4345 all the way . Bi-amp, keep the Mac where it will shine and put a solid 600 watt SS amp on the 2245 .
IME , dont waste money and use a cheap crossover , Bryston , Marchand or something in the quality range .... I'd be interested to hear Kenrick's new active crossover .

Cornholio
11-16-2012, 01:54 AM
If I ever build another pair ,I would use 4313b's design , CC networks, 2" driver and truextent Berylium dia ..... that said ,the 2245 is worth the admission money any day of the week .

If you want to put the time and money into them 4345 all the way . Bi-amp, keep the Mac where it will shine and put a solid 600 watt SS amp on the 2245 .
IME , dont waste money and use a cheap crossover , Bryston , Marchand or something in the quality range .... I'd be interested to hear Kenrick's new active crossover .

Thanx! I'm sure it's all worth it. But will it sound good (if not great) just driven by McIntosh 452 without all the tweaks and upgrades?

richluvsound
11-16-2012, 02:55 AM
You need to hear it for yourself really .... Can you take your amp to the speakers ?

martin_wu99
11-16-2012, 03:54 AM
Thanx! I'm sure it's all worth it. But will it sound good (if not great) just driven by McIntosh 452 without all the tweaks and upgrades?
Just try it.
but the best way to push this huge monster is bi-amping or tri-amping it:eek:

SEAWOLF97
11-16-2012, 08:49 AM
250Ti is not on the same level of 4345.If you like JBL,you must to try big 43xx.
In my word, without horns, JBL is no more JBL.

that's NOT what the designer thinks

Greg Timbers wrote: " I should comment briefly about the 250 - 4345 comparison. Simply put, I prefer a 250. "

(thx Phil)

martin_wu99
11-16-2012, 11:16 AM
that's NOT what the designer thinks

Greg Timbers wrote: " I should comment briefly about the 250 - 4345 comparison. Simply put, I prefer a 250. "

(thx Phil)
Perhaps because 250TI had been designed by G.T.:confused:
Anyway,how to compare a 18' cab with a 12' cab?
btw,seawolf become white tiger?

pos
11-16-2012, 11:21 AM
The 250Ti has a 14" woofer, and Greg Timbers is the designer of both of these speakers ;)

martin_wu99
11-16-2012, 11:34 AM
The 250Ti has a 14" woofer, and Greg Timbers is the designer of both of these speakers ;)

Hi pos
Sorry to confuse them.
but i still think it's unsuitabe to compare a 18'' cabinet with a 14' cabinet
neither to metion compression driver with TI dome:eek:

4313B
11-16-2012, 12:24 PM
If the 250Ti isn't doing it for you anymore then the only thing you are missing is the power and dynamics of a well designed compression driver based system. I say "well designed" because a 250Ti will stomp a crappy compression driver based system into the dirt.

The 4345 is arguably the pinnacle of the JBL large format Studio Monitor design using a single low frequency transducer. My personal opinion is that later models sound more refined but lose a bit of the classic JBL Studio Monitor character.

Titanium Dome
11-16-2012, 03:56 PM
My personal opinion is that later models sound more refined but lose a bit of the classic JBL Studio Monitor character.

I agree with this statement, though it's ambiguous in its application. For some, that's a bad thing; for others it's a good thing. ;)

In reality, I really like both sides, as evidenced by so many different JBLs in my home and offices. Still, if I were put in a circumstance where variety is no longer possible, the classic JBL Studio Monitor character will be among the early casualties.

BMWCCA
11-16-2012, 06:45 PM
If you want to put the time and money into them 4345 all the way . Bi-amp, keep the Mac where it will shine and put a solid 600 watt SS amp on the 2245 . IME , dont waste money and use a cheap crossover , Bryston , Marchand or something in the quality range .... I'd be interested to hear Kenrick's new active crossover .I'd love to try a Marchand some day. I'd be "happy as an antelope with night-vision glasses" if it actually made an audible improvement because I am extremely happy with my 4345 clones bi-amped with an Ashly crossover right now. I'd also add that I find it even more important for the 250s to have big power than it is for the 4345. I run a single Crown PS400 on the bottom end of my 4345s and we tried that on a pair of 250tis at one of our Mid-Atlantic listening fests and they sounded awful. I have enough Crowns to run double bridged PS400s just on the 2245 but I can't imagine what kind of improvement I'd get. I find joy in nearly every JBL model. That's why I have more than a dozen of them. I love Greg Timbers' comments on the 4345 and the 250 and Seawolf repeated the most telling of them right from the horse's mouth. But I also love his final comment on the topic:
"If both systems were tweaked out to about the same level, I suspect it would be very hard to come up with a clear overall winner, but I think I might lean towards the 4345 as having the greater potential."As you see in my sig line, Greg is responsible for a lot of superb speaker systems but there's something in the 4345 that verges on PFM (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=pfm). :D

(Currently spinning Chris Whitley's Dislocation Blues on the 4345s as I type this . . .)

4313B
11-17-2012, 03:33 AM
I agree with this statement, though it's ambiguous in its application. For some, that's a bad thing; for others it's a good thing. ;)I was thinking specifically of the later 4344 Mk II and 4348.
In reality, I really like both sides, as evidenced by so many different JBLs in my home and offices. Still, if I were put in a circumstance where variety is no longer possible, the classic JBL Studio Monitor character will be among the early casualties.I understand.

jbl_daddy
11-17-2012, 06:30 PM
It all depends on the material you are listeningto... PS. I use a pair of b380's with my 4340's and no subs with the 250ti's. Just my 2 cents...

invstbiker
11-17-2012, 07:00 PM
All this talk about crossovers, networks etc scares me off big time. I'm afraid 4345 will not sound good simply driven by McIntosh 452...

CORNHOLIO,

I am using a 24 watt SET amp to drive my CC upgraded 4345's with great results to my ears.

fabrice11
11-18-2012, 02:32 AM
250TI For me one of the best over the JBL L300, L220, 4333, 4343 works perfectly with HK Citation 16 :bouncy:

jbl_daddy
11-18-2012, 07:37 AM
I am also currently using an HK 16 on my 250ti's they have a warmer sound than the dc300's monoed.

Cornholio
11-19-2012, 12:02 AM
Another question to 4345 owners - how picky are they to placement? I mean I can give them a meter between the back and the wall and there will be approx 220 cm between the centers of the drivers with maybe 4 meters between the speakers and my ears but the left speaker will be VERY close to window pane with a radiator.

BMWCCA
11-19-2012, 07:23 PM
Another question to 4345 owners - how picky are they to placement? I mean I can give them a meter between the back and the wall and there will be approx 220 cm between the centers of the drivers with maybe 4 meters between the speakers and my ears but the left speaker will be VERY close to window pane with a radiator.

They seem to be fairly adaptable to me! ;)

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c378/BMWCCA1/DSC_1549.jpg

Cornholio
11-20-2012, 02:16 AM
They seem to be fairly adaptable to me! ;)

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c378/BMWCCA1/DSC_1549.jpg


Can I have your Santa's phone number? ;)

richluvsound
11-20-2012, 02:29 AM
Those conditions sound OK ... how much space do you have behind the listening position ? They are not kind to bad recordings ! Having done a bit of research on your amp .... My feeling is you'll love them .The 4345 have tons of potential and none of the upgrades are needed to sound wonderful .

Buy them and report :)

Rich

BMWCCA
11-20-2012, 07:46 PM
Can I have your Santa's phone number? ;)

Oh, you noticed the Russian dolls on the 4345s? ;)

martin_wu99
11-22-2012, 05:24 AM
Those conditions sound OK ... how much space do you have behind the listening position ? They are not kind to bad recordings ! Having done a bit of research on your amp .... My feeling is you'll love them .The 4345 have tons of potential and none of the upgrades are needed to sound wonderful .

Buy them and report :)


Rich
Yesterday,i went to local JBL authorized dealer showroom with some friends again,we listened to a set of Macintosh CD(forget the type)+C45+402+4412E(4429,4348) carefully,and we got two conclusions:
1.Todays JBL 4x series products is too hard to push,they are monsters:banghead:
2.Forget the MACINTOSH,they sound horrorable,the NEW Macintosh is not Macintosh no longer:crying:

BMWCCA
11-22-2012, 07:54 AM
Macintosh is a computer, or an apple, or an Apple computer.
McIntosh is a proud, once-American-owned, purveyor of quality hi-fi components.

To which were you referring! ;)


Yesterday,i went to local JBL authorized dealer showroom with some friends again,we listened to a set of Macintosh CD(forget the type)+C45+402+4412E(4429,4348) carefully,and we got two conclusions:
1.Todays JBL 4x series products is too hard to push,they are monsters:banghead:
2.Forget the MACINTOSH,they sound horrorable,the NEW Macintosh is not Macintosh no longer:crying:

The real question would be how do they sound with the proper amplification? Power is cheap these days. That's like complaining about computer OS requiring too much RAM with memory as cheap as it is now.

MikeBrewster77
11-22-2012, 09:16 AM
I'm confused :confused:

You indicate the 400W McIntosh is insufficient to comfortably drive the JBLs (okay, I guess it's possible) and then you decry the amp as crap. So my question is how do you know if it's the amp that's crap if it was straining to drive the speakers, or if the speakers are crap and the amp was fine, or if it's just a crappy combination altogether (sometimes even a seemingly great pairing on paper just doesn't work right in execution.) It sounds like there are too many variables here for the sweeping generalization that everything new from the well-respected brands you've mentioned is crap. :dont-know:

Other craptastic considerations:
- Maybe the recording was crap
- Maybe the room was crap
- Maybe the setup was crap
- Maybe something else in the upstream was crap

Maybe it's all crap and we should just pack up the whole thing and say Hi-Fi hit its nadir in the 60's/70's/80's [insert preferred golden age decade here] and call it a day?

FWIW, I've heard the MC402 and thought it very much so had a similar sonic signature to the McIntosh those of us who admire the brand have come to love, including my own which was designed/engineered in the pre-Clarion days.


Yesterday,i went to local JBL authorized dealer showroom with some friends again,we listened to a set of Macintosh CD(forget the type)+C45+402+4412E(4429,4348) carefully,and we got two conclusions:
1.Todays JBL 4x series products is too hard to push,they are monsters:banghead:
2.Forget the MACINTOSH,they sound horrorable,the NEW Macintosh is not Macintosh no longer:crying:

richluvsound
11-22-2012, 03:46 PM
I do speak as a once proud owner of a DIY 4345 . I used various amps and sources . Bryston , SAC , Tubes , PA amps , DIY 300 watt mono blocks for the
2245 and class A for the m/h f bi-amped with a DEQX . MSB Power DAC . I also used the TAD 2002 in them for a while . What a ton of fun they were for me and my friends . If I hadn't become ill they would still be in my home .... the whole idea that big woofers need a zillion watts in a home application leads me to believe there are issues somewhere in the signal chain

So , I have to support Mike's previous post .

Rich

martin_wu99
11-23-2012, 01:56 AM
Macintosh is a computer, or an apple, or an Apple computer.
McIntosh is a proud, once-American-owned, purveyor of quality hi-fi components.

To which were you referring! ;)



The real question would be how do they sound with the proper amplification? Power is cheap these days. That's like complaining about computer OS requiring too much RAM with memory as cheap as it is now.
Sorry for my english is poor.i mean Mcintosh here;)

Though the new Mcintosh is strong and powerful enough,but it lack of smooth and soft as Pass and Gryphon do.
I only mean new Mcintosh here:banghead:

martin_wu99
11-23-2012, 04:50 AM
Sorry for my english is poor.i mean Mcintosh here;)

Though the new Mcintosh is strong and powerful enough,but it lack of smooth and soft as Pass and Gryphon do.
I only mean new Mcintosh here:banghead:

For some examples:
CD: DCS Puccini+G03X,Krell 505,Sony SCD-1...DAC:Chord QBD76.
AMP:Pass X600.5,Mark Lev No436,Krell EVO 402, 400, 2250
JBL 4338
Cables: Crystal Cable Ultra & Micro,MIT Shotgun S3


CD:STUDER CD PLAYER A727
PRE:Studer Revox Mixing Console C279
AMP:Mark Levinson No.23
SPEAKER:JBL Studio Monitor 4430
POWER CHORD:Shunyata Reaserch Anaconda Helix Alpha+Virtual Dynamics Revelation签名版+Oyaide TSUNAMI+C/P-037
SIGINAL CABLE:Van Den Hul The Moutain Hybrid+AudioQuest Sky
SPEAKER CABLE:Van Den Hul Inspiration Hybrid


AMP: Krell FBI
CD: Esoteric X-01
POWER PROCESSOR: PS AUDIO P500
SPEAKER CABEL: MIT Magnum M1
SIGNAL CABLE: MIT Magnum MA XLR, Analysis Plus Silver Oval In RCA
SPEAKER: JBL 4365


PRE:MarkNo.32L
AMP:MarkNo.432
CD/SACD TRANSPORT:dCS Verdi
JBL4348

AccuphaseDP500+KRELL400Xi+JBL 4338

Please pay spcial attion,cables are very important for a good system.

Mctwins
11-23-2012, 07:15 AM
For some examples:
CD: DCS Puccini+G03X,Krell 505,Sony SCD-1...DAC:Chord QBD76.
AMP:Pass X600.5,Mark Lev No436,Krell EVO 402, 400, 2250
JBL 4338
Cables: Crystal Cable Ultra & Micro,MIT Shotgun S3


CD:STUDER CD PLAYER A727
PRE:Studer Revox Mixing Console C279
AMP:Mark Levinson No.23
SPEAKER:JBL Studio Monitor 4430
POWER CHORD:Shunyata Reaserch Anaconda Helix Alpha+Virtual Dynamics Revelation签名版+Oyaide TSUNAMI+C/P-037
SIGINAL CABLE:Van Den Hul The Moutain Hybrid+AudioQuest Sky
SPEAKER CABLE:Van Den Hul Inspiration Hybrid


AMP: Krell FBI
CD: Esoteric X-01
POWER PROCESSOR: PS AUDIO P500
SPEAKER CABEL: MIT Magnum M1
SIGNAL CABLE: MIT Magnum MA XLR, Analysis Plus Silver Oval In RCA
SPEAKER: JBL 4365


PRE:MarkNo.32L
AMP:MarkNo.432
CD/SACD TRANSPORT:dCS Verdi
JBL4348

AccuphaseDP500+KRELL400Xi+JBL 4338

Please pay spcial attion,cables are very important for a good system.







Where is the McIntosh you are reffering to? I don't see it in the list.

Maybe it is those crappy cables that makes the sound crappy when McIntosh and JBL combo is involved.

I am using Supra Ply speaker cables and LoRad powercords and mains block on all my Mcintosh and JBL and it is equally and sonically good as those cables you have mentioned.

The new McIntosh versus the old ones has the same topology but in favour for the new ones with increased S/N ratio and power.

Instead of this...
"Please pay spcial attion,cables are very important for a good system."

I rather say this...
ROOM ACOUSTICS is far more important then cables.

richluvsound
11-23-2012, 08:13 AM
"ROOM ACOUSTICS is far more important then cables."


Someone's talking sense and not ' Labels ' No one wants to spend $$$$ on treatment - theres no labels on it !

hjames
11-23-2012, 10:21 AM
"ROOM ACOUSTICS is far more important then cables."


Someone's talking sense and not ' Labels ' No one wants to spend $$$$ on treatment - theres no labels on it !
What's that you say - no braggin' rights on ROOM TREATMENTS??

THAT'S HERESY!!!

Ian Mackenzie
11-23-2012, 04:06 PM
Another question to 4345 owners - how picky are they to placement? I mean I can give them a meter between the back and the wall and there will be approx 220 cm between the centers of the drivers with maybe 4 meters between the speakers and my ears but the left speaker will be VERY close to window pane with a radiator.

Okay, without too much elaboration best have symmetry on both sides of the room if you crave imaging and depth.

Do do this both loudspeaker should be located by measuring the side, and rear distances, and the toe in a bit and adjust the toe in angle and listening distance till you are happy.

If you have a suitable chair, ear height should be at or just below the centre of the horn lense.

Listener location is where the L250 wins over the 4345 as the L250 has a broader more uniform power response but on the other hand the directivity of the 4345 can mean less room reflections to deal with.

The other issue is the bass bloom from location near room boundaries and this can be a real WAF issue as not many like large boxes protruding into the room.

The best location for bass and imaging are often a conflict. As the 4345 is more bulky than the L250 getting the best out of the former is more challenging in a domestic setting.

Why not build a B460 sub using the 2245 woofer?

martin_wu99
11-24-2012, 05:06 AM
Where is the McIntosh you are reffering to? I don't see it in the list.

Maybe it is those crappy cables that makes the sound crappy when McIntosh and JBL combo is involved.

I am using Supra Ply speaker cables and LoRad powercords and mains block on all my Mcintosh and JBL and it is equally and sonically good as those cables you have mentioned.

The new McIntosh versus the old ones has the same topology but in favour for the new ones with increased S/N ratio and power.

Instead of this...
"Please pay spcial attion,cables are very important for a good system."

I rather say this...
ROOM ACOUSTICS is far more important then cables.


IMO,new Mcintosh is terrible:eek:
I study and play JBL speakers for many years, and it is regarded that Mcintosh/Mark/Accphase is the best combo with JBL speakers,but i don't konw what's wrong with new Mcintosh?:confused:
BTW,i have to totally agree with you:ROOM ACOUSTICS is far more important than cables:applaud:

martin_wu99
11-28-2012, 02:59 AM
Where is the McIntosh you are reffering to? I don't see it in the list.

Maybe it is those crappy cables that makes the sound crappy when McIntosh and JBL combo is involved.

I am using Supra Ply speaker cables and LoRad powercords and mains block on all my Mcintosh and JBL and it is equally and sonically good as those cables you have mentioned.

The new McIntosh versus the old ones has the same topology but in favour for the new ones with increased S/N ratio and power.

Instead of this...
"Please pay spcial attion,cables are very important for a good system."

I rather say this...
ROOM ACOUSTICS is far more important then cables.


perhaps,i have some misunderstood with Mcintosh:banghead:.
Yesterday,i went to Shenzhen Mcintosh dealer,they have many Mcintoshs,maybe the most Mcintosh products in China
I listened to DCS+Mcintosh c500(c+P)+601+Sonus Faber Guarneri Homage,it is very impressive!vigorous,rich and warm,so how important the combo are:D

martin_wu99
11-28-2012, 03:10 AM
More pics of JBL 4365 and MARK

Cornholio
12-07-2012, 02:57 AM
OK I'm taking the plunge on a pair of original 4345's. Hope to have them soon and will compare to 250 Ti's directly!

Mctwins
12-07-2012, 11:05 AM
Hi
I have a pair of JBL 4319 and use MC252 and C48 pre without any problems. I am also driving from the same pre C48 to a pair of JBL PRX635 with PRX618S-XLF subs.

Clear and punchy sound in both cases.

No Problemo at all.

Freiberg Baard
12-08-2012, 04:13 PM
I'm a happy owner of 250 Ti which I currently drive with McIntosh 452 amp. But the upgrade itch never leaves me as I keep hearing about the magic of 43 series. I keep longing for even bigger bass, more punch and dynamics and more "in your gut" sound. Will 4345 give me all that? Are there areas where 250 Ti is better?

I have had two sets of 250Ti, still have one of them. Loved them from day one. Recently I bought a beautiful set of 4348, and I must admit, I could hardly wait to compare them with my old 250ti's. But what a difference! The big 4348's sweeps the floor as far as bottom punch and depth goes, and gives a much richer sound, I really wasn't prepared for a difference that noticeable. But my wife think they are much to big, and wants me to keep the "beautiful" 250ti's. She is right, of course, they really are BIG compared to the very smooth looking 250ti's, but it's really going to hurt if I have to part with them.:crying:

Freiberg Baard
12-10-2012, 01:01 PM
Old babies- new babies