Everest dd67000

[caladois]

I just found a pic from aasian audio show (may be HK). Do you have any ideas about the new project ?

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[tom1040]

Interesting!

[4313B]

New low frequency transducers. Fs is reported to be roughly 10 Hz lower.

[timc]

New low frequency transducers. Fs is reported to be roughly 10 Hz lower.


Thats quite a lot. How much sensitivity is lost?

[4313B]

No information yet as JBL isn't at production level on the transducers yet.

Fs on the DD65000 transducer is around 18 Hz. Distortion levels on both new transducers is improved by up to 20 dB. That's all there is for now.

[4313B]

I just found a pic from aasian audio show (may be HK). Do you have any ideas about the new project ?The two new systems, DD65000 and DD67000, sound very exciting.

"The official introduction should occur sometime in September in Japan. This is why no systems were allowed at the Hong Kong show."

Something might be revealed off the record at the function in L.A. hosted by Titanium Dome in early September?

[Titanium Dome]

The two new systems, DD65000 and DD67000, sound very exciting.

"The official introduction should occur sometime in September in Japan. This is why no systems were allowed at the Hong Kong show."

Something might be revealed off the record at the function in L.A. hosted by Titanium Dome in early September?

I just wet myself.

:leaving:

[Titanium Dome]

The earliest mention I could find was from July 2nd in this translated article.

Last sentence: apparently the Tiger got out of the bag in China first.

http://translate.google.it/translate?hl=it&sl=zh-CN&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fsh.sina.com.cn%2Ffashion%2Fqt%2F201 2-07-02%2F0119960.html

[ronaltronics]

If you look at the Japan website you will also notice a new K2-3900 model.

[pos]

If you look at the Japan website you will also notice a new K2-3900 model.

Interesting design indeed!
http://www.harman-japan.co.jp/jbl/hifi/s3900/img/intro.jpg
With a new 10" woofer, 100Fe:
http://www.harman-japan.co.jp/jbl/hifi/s3900/img/ph01_l.jpg

[4313B]

Looks pretty interesting! Around four grand each?

[JuniorJBL]

The two new systems, DD65000 and DD67000, sound very exciting.

"The official introduction should occur sometime in September in Japan. This is why no systems were allowed at the Hong Kong show."

Something might be revealed off the record at the function in L.A. hosted by Titanium Dome in early September?


Oh my gosh!!

:dancin:

[caladois]

Interesting design indeed!
http://www.harman-japan.co.jp/jbl/hifi/s3900/img/intro.jpg
With a new 10" woofer, 100Fe:
http://www.harman-japan.co.jp/jbl/hifi/s3900/img/ph01_l.jpg
Very nice set up !!! I wish this geometry existed with a pair of 1200fe and 476 drivers :)

[pos]

I think 4313B did just that some time ago, with a PT-F95HF horn

[Hoerninger]

http://www.pc-audio-fan.com/news/audio/20120817_21580/attachment/jbl_s3900_unit/
56670
___________
Peter

[martin_wu99]

I think 4313B did just that some time ago, with a PT-F95HF horn
3900 looks great:applaud:any improvement?

[4313B]

Rumor has it the S3900 will eventually be available in the Americas and Europe after its Asian debut.

[martin_wu99]

Rumor has it the S3900 will eventually be available in the Americas and Europe after its Asian debut.
Guess what the price it will be?;)

[martin_wu99]

Interesting design indeed!

With a new 10" woofer, 100Fe:

I'm very intestering in this one,how do you think of it?:dont-know:why not double 12'?

[hjames]

I'm very interested in this one, what do you think of it?:dont-know:why not double 12'?

Its all about the price point - every driver costs money and dual drivers means the cabinet has to be larger
and that again, increases the price ...

[martin_wu99]

Its all about the price point - every driver costs money and dual drivers means the cabinet has to be larger
and that again, increases the price ...
Do you mean it all depend on your money?what you pay is what you get;)
Look at these,the price is very good,190K RMB include shippment:crying:

His system

Before

MARK 31.5+30.6
　　BURMSTER 069
　　DCS SCARLATTI
　　KRELL EVOLTION 505
　　CHORD RED REFERENCE MK2
　　SME 20+SME V+BENZ LP+AESTHETIX PHEA
　　CLEARAUDIO MASTER REFERENCE+MASTER TQ-1+BENZ LP+FM122
Othere gear
MARK 32
AUDIO M8
MARK 33H
FM 611X
FM 711
MBL 9011*2
BOULDER 2050
VIOLA BRAVO TWO BOX
GRYPHON ANTILEON SIGNATURE MONO
HALCRO DM 88．．．．．．．．．．
ROCKPORT ANTARES

Now
DCS SCARLATTI SYSTEM
SME 20+SME V+BENZ LP+AESTHETIX PHEA
KRELL EVOLITION ONE+TWO
JBL 66000

But he sold JBL 66000 for Wilson ALEXANDRA?

[hjames]

You should buy whatever you like ...
I was speaking of the S3900 and answered your question why not dual 12s instead of the 10 inch driver?

the rest is way off tangent

But you should buy Wilson or anything your little heart desires ...


Do you mean it all depend on your money?what you pay is what you get;)
Look at these,the price is very good,190K RMB include shipment:crying:

　

But he sold JBL 66000 for Wilson ALEXANDRA?

[Ian Mackenzie]

Its all about the price point - every driver costs money and dual drivers means the cabinet has to be larger
and that again, increases the price ...

Despite the macho superiority of the Japanese audiophile space is becoming an issue and the VAS and the diameter of the 12 inch driver dominate enclosure size and the room when you are talking dual 12's. Attempting to crossover the 12 inch driver below 1000-1200 hertz will alao result in a wide baffle that may not be suitable for market appeal.

The 10 incher however can operate up to 1600 hertz or higher and the result is a higher crossover point and a narrower front baffle that will sound better and look better in a space that will not accept a system the proportions of the Everest. In fact I thought the 9900 I heard in SF in 2010 as bought by Ti Dome was superior in the room we had on hand at the show.

Hence the old adage, big speakers belong and sound better in big rooms

Enter the dual 10 inch system

[martin_wu99]

Despite the macho superiority of the Japanese audiophile space is becoming an issue and the VAS and the diameter of the 12 inch driver dominate enclosure size and the room when you are talking dual 12's. Attempting to crossover the 12 inch driver below 1000-1200 hertz will alao result in a wide baffle that may not be suitable for market appeal.

The 10 incher however can operate up to 1600 hertz or higher and the result is a higher crossover point and a narrower front baffle that will sound better and look better in a space that will not accept a system the proportions of the Everest. In fact I thought the 9900 I heard in SF in 2010 as bought by Ti Dome was superior in the room we had on hand at the show.

Hence the old adage, big speakers belong and sound better in big rooms

Enter the dual 10 inch system
Then why so many japanese play big JBL speakers in their narrow house?:eek:

[martin_wu99]

You should buy whatever you like ...
I was speaking of the S3900 and answered your question why not dual 12s instead of the 10 inch driver?

the rest is way off tangent

But you should buy Wilson or anything your little heart desires ...
:D

[Ian Mackenzie]

Then why so many japanese play big JBL speakers in their narrow house?:eek:

That maybe but its not the end of the market this design is focusing on.

Many is not all and speaking from practical experience the retail of slender tallboy systems is alive and well.

(Tokyo population 12 mil, Japan population 127,368,088 as at March 2012)
http://www.audioheritage.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?22555-Harman-Japan-A-visit-to-Japan&p=224306&viewfull=1#post224306

[martin_wu99]

That maybe but its not the end of the market this design is focusing on.

Many is not all and speaking from practical experience the retail of slender tallboy systems is alive and well.

(Tokyo population 12 mil, Japan population 127,368,088 as at March 2012)
http://www.audioheritage.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?22555-Harman-Japan-A-visit-to-Japan&p=224306&viewfull=1#post224306
So wonderful you had a trip to Japan:applaud:
I think JBL slim system is more attractive for those who care about their room decoration than the sound quality:blink:

[SEAWOLF97]

I think JBL slim system is more attractive for those who care about their room decoration than the sound quality:blink:

and why do you think this, Martin ? Have you heard this system ?

[Titanium Dome]

So wonderful you had a trip to Japan:applaud:
I think JBL slim system is more attractive for those who care about their room decoration than the sound quality:blink:


I concur with your opinion, Martin. Looks play an important role in these things. Especially in areas where this is a significant factor, attractiveness is a key motivator.

Many here have made their own wonderful custom speakers using JBL and other components, and we often rave at the looks and the quality of construction. We can never hear them, but we believe they are awesome nonetheless because they look so amazing.

I will say however, that a "slim" system like the K2 S9900 appeals to me more than an Everest II DD66000, or a "slim" 4430 appeals more than a 4435, because they both look and sound better in the kinds of environments I can provide. So, it's not always about caring more about room decoration than sound quality. It's also about the right speaker for the room, Hopefully, we find both an attractive speaker and good room compatibility in the same loudspeaker.

[4313B]

It's also about the right speaker for the room, Hopefully, we find both an attractive speaker and good room compatibility in the same loudspeaker.:yes:

[Ian Mackenzie]

The issue with such wide systems is that the box location for the best bass response is seldom the best location for the best imaging.

The tall boy designs are far easier to engineer for a smooth in room bass response in a domestic environment than the wide low boy designs.

The pronounced low end of the larger blue baffle monitiors in a domestic environment is in many ways the name sake of the classic JBL signature sound that so many of us relate to when we associate with the JBL brand . For the technically inclined the reason behind that bass is aggressive system tuning often above 30 hertz.

If however you find a 4344 flush mounted into a wall like the contemporary Jazz Bar I visited in Tokyo the bass is smooth and detailed.

This is because there is no boundary reflection.

In contrast the more contemporary systems with the banana curve tuning are such that the box can be put much closer to a wall boundary in a domestic environment and the result is a smooth bass response.

This will not please everyone and some even say the newer systems have amore HiFi voicing as a result.

Perhaps this is why JBL Japan current market both ranges.

[Titanium Dome]

That's an insightful comment, Ian. Sorry you won't make it for Sept. 15th to hear the K2 S9900s with GT in the house. I'll hold a spot open just in case.

[Valentin]

Thats quite a lot. How much sensitivity is lost?

None

You can see the specs at harman japan

[Valentin]

No more battery on XO network on the dd67000

and the bass driver has pulp fome pulp cone with pleated surround intresting

[martin_wu99]

and why do you think this, Martin ? Have you heard this system ?
I haven't yet.from other brand tall and thin speakers listening experiences such as Dynaudio,PMC etc,they will not give you nature and relax low frequency like JBL big drivers do.
In fact,JBL rarely has small speaker systems:blink:
Maybe this one is a JBL nice try.

[martin_wu99]

I concur with your opinion, Martin. Looks play an important role in these things. Especially in areas where this is a significant factor, attractiveness is a key motivator.

Many here have made their own wonderful custom speakers using JBL and other components, and we often rave at the looks and the quality of construction. We can never hear them, but we believe they are awesome nonetheless because they look so amazing.

I will say however, that a "slim" system like the K2 S9900 appeals to me more than an Everest II DD66000, or a "slim" 4430 appeals more than a 4435, because they both look and sound better in the kinds of environments I can provide. So, it's not always about caring more about room decoration than sound quality. It's also about the right speaker for the room, Hopefully, we find both an attractive speaker and good room compatibility in the same loudspeaker.
But K2 S9900 and 4430 never are "slim" system,i think the system within 10' drivers can be called slim system:dont-know:

[martin_wu99]

No more battery on XO network on the dd67000

and the bass driver has pulp fome pulp cone with pleated surround intresting
No battery on XO like 4365?
I personally prefer foam surround to rubber surround:applaud:

[stephane RAME]

http://www.harman-japan.co.jp/jbl/hifi/dd67000/
http://www.harman-japan.co.jp/jbl/hifi/dd66000/
http://www.harman-japan.co.jp/jbl/hifi/dd65000/

Stéphane

[JBLAddict]

once above $20k/speaker, what is target audience for the 65000 with Mg drivers instead of 67000 Be?

and it was only a matter of time til the Everest used the accordion surrounds of the L100 ;)

[Valentin]

once above $20k/speaker, what is target audience for the 65000 with Mg drivers instead of 67000 Be?

and it was only a matter of time til the Everest used the accordion surrounds of the L100 ;)

Got a point

[4313B]

once above $20k/speaker, what is target audience for the 65000 with Mg drivers instead of 67000 Be?I have no idea.

and it was only a matter of time til the Everest used the accordion surrounds of the L100 ;)Yeah but the 1501AL-3 is alnico and accordion surround done right. <edit> Well... mostly right... It isn't manufactured in Northridge, CA. Doh! FAIL!

I haven't had time to put the networks into LEAP to show the voltage drive differences between the DD65000 and DD67000 yet, just not enough free time right now.

[Titanium Dome]

But K2 S9900 and 4430 never are "slim" system,i think the system within 10' drivers can be called slim system:dont-know:

Compared to Everest II DD66000, K2 S9900 is slim. Compared to 4435, 4430 is slim. Putting two 15" drivers, or two 12" drivers, or two 10" drivers or even two 8" (4612 OK) drivers side-by-side makes too wide a baffle for my tastes and too big a cabinet for most rooms.

Now if you are redefining the discussion to two or more similar drivers in a vertical row, that's a different topic. JBL has a long history of doing that, both with active and passive drivers: L150, L220, SVA Series, Northridge N, S, and E Series, etc. Is the L220 slim? or the L150?

[martin_wu99]

once above $20k/speaker, what is target audience for the 65000 with Mg drivers instead of 67000 Be?

and it was only a matter of time til the Everest used the accordion surrounds of the L100 ;)
I like cloth surrounds too:D

[martin_wu99]

Compared to Everest II DD66000, K2 S9900 is slim. Compared to 4435, 4430 is slim. Putting two 15" drivers, or two 12" drivers, or two 10" drivers or even two 8" (4612 OK) drivers side-by-side makes too wide a baffle for my tastes and too big a cabinet for most rooms.

Now if you are redefining the discussion to two or more similar drivers in a vertical row, that's a different topic. JBL has a long history of doing that, both with active and passive drivers: L150, L220, SVA Series, Northridge N, S, and E Series, etc. Is the L220 slim? or the L150?
I know you that just don't like these "fat boys" side by side,don't you?;)but they are still very big for most people.
My point of view is that the woofers of the speakers are 10'(even 8') and in a vertical row that can be called slim speakers:D

[4313B]

I think they look pretty damn cool.

Twelves would have been too large.

They have a decent sensitivity at 92 dB and decent extension.

Box is 3.1 cu ft tuned to 31.5 Hz. The 1200FE's would have arguably required another cu ft to compete.

"They sound just like a mini S4700"

[boputnam]

New low frequency transducers. Fs is reported to be roughly 10 Hz lower.Nice.

Can you 'splain what's going on with this LF network?

56777

:dont-know:

[Guido]

I haven't had time to put the networks into LEAP to show the voltage drive differences between the DD65000 and DD67000 yet, just not enough free time right now.

If we could have the EDS we could assist :D

[Guido]

Nice.

Can you 'splain what's going on with this LF network?

56777

:dont-know:

Bo, it's an 18dB low Pass.
Values would be nice though

[4313B]

If we could have the EDS we could assist :DOk. You might want to play around with them in LEAP. Rumor has it that the D66000 can be upgraded with the new 1501AL-3's without any network changes. It remains to be seen if the 1501AL-3's will become available over the counter (in Japan). Perhaps an upgrade "kit" in the same spirit as the L250 to 250Ti upgrade kit available back in the 80's.

[boputnam]

Bo, it's an 18dB low Pass.
Values would be nice thoughThanks, Guido...

I don't think it's quite that simple. The signal path is what intrigues.

Obviously simplified, but both LF don't see the same pass band - right?

Serial inductors on the "upper" LF (Gm/Wht) - it has a second HPF.
The "lower" LF (Blk/Blk) has a single HPF - looks like it's a "helper" [ (V)LF ] to the other?

That's what I would consider doing, but I don't know as much as all y'all...

[Guido]

Thanks, Guido...

I don't think it's quite that simple. The signal path is what intrigues.

Obviously simplified, but both LF don't see the same pass band - right?


For me it looks like the woofers are simply connected in parallel.

Gn - Blk and Wht - Blk

[4313B]

Can you 'splain what's going on with this LF network?The dual tens are wired in parallel and roll off as shown in this voltage drive. They are nominal twelve ohm drivers resulting in a nominal six ohm load to the network.

I posted the values in the previous post above as requested.

[boputnam]

Gn - Blk and Wht - BlkGot it. :banghead:

[Ian Mackenzie]

Bit like them car puppy boxes that had you confused back in 2004..... Sir...puttin a oval port in a round role dang dain't right!:o:

[boputnam]

Bit like them car puppy boxes that had you confused back in 2004..... Sir...puttin a oval port in a round role dang dain't right!:o:Dood - that is hilarious. I was cowering in the corner all-night, hoping you would NOT bring that up!

That schematic was SO not how my brain saw it. Glad to be back! :rotfl:

[Ian Mackenzie]

Dood - that is hilarious. I was cowering in the corner all-night, hoping you would NOT bring that up!

That schematic was SO not how my brain saw it. Glad to be back! :rotfl:

I thought the schematic was confusing "actually"

Life is sometimes about the "moment".

I mean the puchline on the last visit to SF was when Suz says ..Ian...how's the scoring going? A woman's inuition never fails.

[hlaari]

Dues anyone know the diffrents between 1501Al, 1501Al-1 and 1501Al-2?

[4313B]

Dues anyone know the diffrents between 1501Al, 1501Al-1 and 1501Al-2?
Differences to Original 1501AL design are as follows:
1) The 1501AL-1 uses a 25.4mm (1 inch) long voice coil compared to 30.48mm (1.2 inch) long voice coil on 1501AL. This change increased linear (peak-to-peak) coil excursion of the 1501AL-1 design by 50% over that of the 1501AL woofer.
2) New Nomex spider geometry with larger roll shape and softer material for more linear displacement with less restrictive motion.
3) SBR foamed rubber and new surround half-roll geometry.
4) Special stiffer paper pulp formulation with full rear cone side Aquaplas damping.
5) Stronger Dome pulp material (better resistance to damage).
6) Approximately 42% lower resonant frequency (Fs) of 19Hz compared to 27Hz of the 1501AL.

Differences to Original 1501AL design are as follows:
1) The 1501AL-2 uses a 25.4mm (1 inch) long voice coil compared to 30.48mm (1.2 inch) long voice coil on 1501AL. This change increased linear (peak-to-peak) coil excursion of the 1501AL-2 design by 50% over that of the 1501AL woofer.
2) New Nomex spider geometry with larger roll shape and softer material for more linear displacement with less restrictive motion.
3) Poly-Cotton cloth, Accordion pleated geometry surround with special adhesive damping.
4) Special 3-Layer Sandwich cone with pure paper pulp outer skins over foam injection inner core.
5) Stronger Dome pulp material (better resistance to damage).

[hlaari]

Thanks Giskard

It is strange at in the technical spec for the DD65000 (1501Al-1) dues the speaker not go as low like DD67000 and DD66000?

[4313B]

I believe the DD65000 (rubber surround) goes the deepest while the DD67000 has more impact (cloth surround). They both are nine cubic foot boxes tuned to 31.5 Hz.

[JeffW]

Were you ever able to get published TS on the 1501FE? You posted the tuning and volume once before. It'd be nice to know if my measurements come out close to what they're supposed to be.

TIA.

[4313B]

They're on a PC that is no longer in service. I'll have to pull the data off the HDD at some point. Going on a year and a half waiting for my second one to show up.


Here are the simplified schematics of the three Everest II networks.

[JeffW]

Thanks aplenty.

I just went thru the same thing, recovered everything off an old XP HDD and imported into W7. A PITA, but glad to still have the stuff.

Hope it goes well for you.

[4313B]

I have a question you did have the 1501Al driver.Yes.
Did you hear some differences between 1501Al and 1500AlNo.

They have very similar sonic signatures. The 1501AL (DD66000) is a 1500AL (K2-S9800) with an increased voice coil gap and a longer voice coil length (12 ohms versus 8 ohms). The 1501AL also comes without the rubber gasket around the front edge as it uses a hundred dollar metal trim ring instead.

The 1500AL-1 (K2-S9900) is basically an 8 ohm version of the 1501AL but with the front rubber gasket intact like the 1500AL. If I remember correctly Greg also mentioned a bit higher Bl so the driver works better in a smaller enclosure volume (at the expense of the lowest octave).

[Brian DK]

http://www.harman-japan.co.jp/jbl/hifi/dd67000/
http://www.harman-japan.co.jp/jbl/hifi/dd66000/
http://www.harman-japan.co.jp/jbl/hifi/dd65000/

Stéphane

If you look at the spes here on the japan webside on 66000 you will see that it goes down to 27hz, and the 67000 29hz.
so I dont think the new 67000 goes any deaper than the 66000.
it will for sure sound different, and I am very excited to hear the 67000.
but I dont think we shall expect any deaper bass.

[4313B]

The DD65000 is the one with the low Fs 1500 variant.

Regardless, both enclosures are tuned around 32 Hz and that means they roll off pretty fast below Fb.

[hlaari]

Yes.No.

They have very similar sonic signatures. The 1501AL (DD66000) is a 1500AL (K2-S9800) with an increased voice coil gap and a longer voice coil length (12 ohms versus 8 ohms). The 1501AL also comes without the rubber gasket around the front edge as it uses a hundred dollar metal trim ring instead.

The 1500AL-1 (K2-S9900) is basically an 8 ohm version of the 1501AL but with the front rubber gasket intact like the 1500AL. If I remember correctly Greg also mentioned a bit higher Bl so the driver works better in a smaller enclosure volume (at the expense of the lowest octave).

Thank you for the info

But can I find somewere the thiele/small info for 1500Al-1

[4313B]

From the Ev2 white paper it looks like 1500AL and 1501AL have the same baskets.
So it seems I can recone my 1500AL's to 1501AL's.

Could you check your sources if this is true? That would be great.All of the Alnico pots are identical so any cone kit will fit. The 1501AL-2 has an issue with the frame landing I.D. so that kit wouldn't work without frame modification. - Greg

[ozata]

6) Approximately 42% lower resonant frequency (Fs) of 19Hz compared to 27Hz of the 1501AL.


Are you sure? I seemed to have read that it was 29Hz and not 19Hz.

[4313B]

Are you sure? I seemed to have read that it was 29Hz and not 19Hz.The designer gave me the information.

[4313B]

Are you sure? I seemed to have read that it was 29Hz and not 19Hz.In addition to the white paper quotes above, here is an email from some months ago:

Spoiler……Fs on the DD65000 woofer is around 18 – 19 Hz!
Also, low frequency (and upper band) distortion levels on both models is improved up to 20 dB!
-Jerry

So yes, I'm pretty sure short of measuring one myself. :)

[pos]

http://www.audioheritage.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?33556-1501al-1
http://www.audioheritage.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?33557-1501al-2

:eek: :eek:

Okay then, who should I kill to get a pair (or two...) of those ?!!

That's an almost 10dB distortion reduction in the midbass compared to a (already stellar in this regard) 1200Fe at 100dB!
And it goes like this down to the 20's without issue!

I could picture myself using a pair of these per side covering the 20Hz-250Hz range in my system :D
Oh yes, I could... :spin:

-60dB! that's 0.1% of distortion!!

Thank you so much 4313B for making these documents available to us! (look at the date: these where printed yesterday!!)

[4313B]

(look at the date: these where printed yesterday!!)Indeed! :)
Thank you so much 4313B for making these documents available to us!John, Greg, Jerry, Doug, Alphonso, David, Mark, and Ralph have been very generous to us. Way above and beyond.

[JeffW]

-60dB! that's 0.1% of distortion!!

Thank you so much 4313B for making these documents available to us! (look at the date: these where printed yesterday!!)

I looked at the distortion on the 1501FE (that I have). The only ones where the 2nd and 3rd is not raised 20dB relative to the fundamental. :eek:

Oh well, serves me right I guess. They told me they didn't want to sell them :D

[4313B]

I looked at the distortion on the 1501FE (that I have). The only ones where the 2nd and 3rd is not raised 20dB relative to the fundamental. :eek:

Oh well, serves me right I guess. They told me they didn't want to sell them :DWho told you they didn't want to sell them?

*****

Um, that graph is at 21.2 Vrms...

[grumpy]

Okay then, who should I kill to get a pair (or two...) of those ?!!

Easy peasy... just a bit over $20K USD each, in sets of two minimum.
(they also come packaged in a nice 'box' with networks, compression drivers and horns included) :D

[pos]

$20k each ?!! You're kidding me, right?

[JeffW]

Who told you they didn't want to sell them?

*****

..

Weren't supposed to sell them? Something, it's been a while.

[Valentin]

I wonder if the k2 9900 will receive a new woofer. 1501-1-8ohm

i bet titanium dome would love that option :)

[Brian DK]

Any news on an upgrade from 66000 to 67000.?? (X-over, and woofers)

I have the 66000 on second year.
An to sell, and buy once again, is out off the question..
way to expensive..
But an upgrade would be very interesting.

[4313B]

Any news on an upgrade from 66000 to 67000.?? (X-over, and woofers)

I have the 66000 on second year.
An to sell, and buy once again, is out off the question..
way to expensive..
But an upgrade would be very interesting.As of last week it isn't looking very good. :no:

[Brian DK]

As of last week it isn't looking very good. :no:


What..?? What have you heard?

[4313B]

What..?? What have you heard?That they can't get the 1501AL-2 transducers nor the C12R1501AL-1 and C12R1501Al-2 kits made.

[pos]

this is ridiculous :barf:

[Brian DK]

this is ridiculous :barf:

Agree..
That is serious bad service from JBL. :moon:

So now if the DD66000 want the topmodel, they have to sell, and by once again?..
that is absurt..:banghead:

[4313B]

Agree..
That is serious bad service from JBL. :moon:

So now if the DD66000 want the topmodel, they have to sell, and by once again?..
that is absurt..:banghead:Who knows what will happen down the road. Maybe someone will cop a clue and get with the program. I'm under the impression that it's just one big cluster with various fingers on each hand not knowing what the other fingers are doing, etc.

[pos]

Then somebody in there should take responsibility and use that shadow system at its advantage!
Chances are that "the other fingers" will not even notice :dont-know:

Frankly, that they refuse to sell the M2 waveguide can be understood (this is a cheap piece of plastic with a lot of research behind it), but refusing to sell those expensive drivers, and even the recone kits?!! That is total nonsense.

[4313B]

That is total nonsense.The C8R1500AL has never been available in North America, the transducer is something like twelve years old now and no recone kit. :screwy: I believe it is available in Europe. :p Anyway, they are obviously confused as all hell. :rotfl:

[Maron Horonzakz]

Or they dont care,,:bouncy:

[4313B]

Or they dont care,,:bouncy:That fact is painfully evident in how Harman packages their transducers for shipment. :rotfl: Even if the upgrade transducers for the DD66000 were available, they'd most likely get damaged, destroyed or stolen enroute, so why even go there. This is NOT the eighties where you could buy the L250 to 250Ti upgrade kit and receive a well thought out product upgrade in first class packaging.

[Maron Horonzakz]

Like ive said before on this forum,,,If JBL wont support the customer following,,I wont support them.

[Mr. Widget]

Like ive said before on this forum,,,If JBL wont support the customer following,,I wont support them.That's not unreasonable, however even though I own a pair of the DD66000s and would love to upgrade, I'm certainly not going to kick my speakers to the curb because they aren't 1%-5% better.


Widget

[Brian DK]

That fact is painfully evident in how Harman packages their transducers for shipment. :rotfl: Even if the upgrade transducers for the DD66000 were available, they'd most likely get damaged, destroyed or stolen enroute, so why even go there. This is NOT the eighties where you could buy the L250 to 250Ti upgrade kit and receive a well thought out product upgrade in first class packaging.

Sorry, but to me, it just sounds like a bad excuse.
If Jbl wanted, they could..

[4313B]

That's not unreasonable, however even though I own a pair of the DD66000s and would love to upgrade, I'm certainly not going to kick my speakers to the curb because they aren't 1%-5% better.


WidgetYeah... the whole "obsolete in the blink of an eye" thing has been pretty stale for quite awhile now.

[macaroonie]

Yeah... the whole "obsolete in the blink of an eye" thing has been pretty stale for quite awhile now.

That is such a valid point. If you have a statement product that costs a small fortune and subsequently start offering a better version with no upgrade option , well thats just all set to PO the original buyers.
Foolish and short sighted but thats Harman marketing all over. Its been that way since I had dealings with them and it seems to have become worse.
I mean to say , in this instance what would it take to work in an upgrade pack with a retro fit option. For a speaker that cost the original buyer 40-50K then 5-10k would not be a big hurt.

As an aside Linn turntables cleverly in some respects continue to offer a complete series of extensive upgrades within the original format , some of which are 10x the value of the original turntable.
For example http://app.audiogon.com/listings/linn-keel-sub-chassis-upgrade-as-new , this is just the chassis component of the turntable. This component will fit with no mods into a stock 1976 deck !! No existing customer is left out in the cold.

I say hire Ivor Tiefenbrun as head of marketing for JBL in general

[Dave_72]

I am not putting any faith into this at all. I just thought all of you would get a bang out of this.

http://app.audiogon.com/listings/full-range-jbl-dd66000-classic-speakers-2013-07-21-speakers-auckland

[johnhere]

Fs of 1501al-2 is only 30hz

Fs of 1501al-1 is 20hz

My lord!