why does JBL 4365 only rank 10th in Japanese eyes?

[martin_wu99]

because it is too cheap?:confused:
Let's talk about hi-end speakers:bouncy:

[martin_wu99]

only 5 pics per time:crying:

[martin_wu99]

the last pic

[hjames]

because it is too cheap?:confused:
Let's talk about hi-end speakers:bouncy:

because it is NOT available Stateside?

For that factor alone very few of us can tell how it is voiced, for instance,
we any don't have familiarity to make any further comments.

Maybe it doesn't have the usual big monitor panache BECAUSE
it is not real US Studio Monitor like 4343/45s-
it just plays one in the brochures?

[martin_wu99]

because it is NOT available Stateside?

For that factor alone very few of us can tell how it is voiced, for instance,
we any don't have familiarity to make any further comments.

Maybe it doesn't have the usual big monitor panache BECAUSE it is not real US Studio Monitor like 4343/45s-
it just plays one in the brochures?
what a pity!
why so many good JBLs are not in the US?:confused:

[4313B]

why so many good JBLs are not in the US?:confused:I hate to be the bearer of bad news but we do have most of the "good" JBL's.

[Valentin]

Its a very nice system

And a very good price point Just look at the other speakers


Could you post the tech papers now that stereo sound has published :o:

[SEAWOLF97]

all the top 9 are AT LEAST double the price of the JBL's (at #10) and
many below it are too.

(#10 in s.e.Asia is a lucky number , I was called #10 all the time :o:)

[4313B]

for that factor alone very few of us can tell how it is voiced, for instance,
we any don't have familiarity to make any further comments.The word is that we would prefer the S4700. I haven't looked to see what the prices are for either system.
Could you post the tech papers now that stereo sound has published :o:I'll try and remember to when I get back home next week.

[Odd]

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[maxserg]

Please see the price of the nine others! JBL is at about one-seventh the price of the Sonus Faber. They are comparing what to what???!!!

R I D I C U L O U S !

[Goophy]

That isn't a ranking.
It's just a list of the products than got some sort of recognition throughout the year 2010 in Stero Sound. (If I got the concept correctly)

The Japanese gave 4365 a much, much better review than the German STEREO-magazine.

[martin_wu99]

Its a very nice system

And a very good price point Just look at the other speakers


Could you post the tech papers now that stereo sound has published :o:
The price of 4365 is 65k RMB in China on webshop.
Stereo sound didn't have tech papers on it:confused:
but i have:D

[martin_wu99]

all the top 9 are AT LEAST double the price of the JBL's (at #10) and
many below it are too.

(#10 in s.e.Asia is a lucky number , I was called #10 all the time :o:)
That's the point:applaud:

[martin_wu99]

That isn't a ranking.
It's just a list of the products than got some sort of recognition throughout the year 2010 in Stero Sound. (If I got the concept correctly)

The Japanese gave 4365 a much, much better review than the German STEREO-magazine.
It is a Japanese rank indeed,not only by price
Seems B+W 800 diamond is most valuable and won the GS(golden sound) award.

[martin_wu99]

Its a very nice system

And a very good price point Just look at the other speakers


Could you post the tech papers now that stereo sound has published :o:
More info

[Valentin]

Thanks

but do you have the frequency response charts (spinorama) amplitud distortion etc etc

[martin_wu99]

Thanks

but do you have the frequency response charts (spinorama) amplitud distortion etc etc
Sorry,i haven't got 4365's curve:blink:

[Ian Mackenzie]

because it is NOT available Stateside?

For that factor alone very few of us can tell how it is voiced, for instance,
we any don't have familiarity to make any further comments.

Maybe it doesn't have the usual big monitor panache BECAUSE
it is not real US Studio Monitor like 4343/45s-
it just plays one in the brochures?

Hi Heather,

I heard it down here at a HiFi Show last year.

The fact that the room was packed with dudes sitting on the floor 6 feet in front of it says something about the sound.

To my ear it reminded me of the 4338's I heard in Japan and less like the 4600 which are more room friendly and more nice hifi.

The blue baffle stuff is the Harley Davidson end of the business and it has a cult following in Japan.

The other system on that list are far more costly and frankly dont cut it in terms of dynamics and chest thumping like the JBLs

[DavidF]

I am noticing a pattern of using large AWG air coils on the woofers. Both the US and the Asian market high-end models. Not trying to ignite a debate on merits of air v. solid. Just now looking at the newer models a little more carefully after years involved with the older designs.

[martin_wu99]

That isn't a ranking.
It's just a list of the products than got some sort of recognition throughout the year 2010 in Stero Sound. (If I got the concept correctly)

The Japanese gave 4365 a much, much better review than the German STEREO-magazine.
Please post the reviews if you have:applaud:

[martin_wu99]

Noticing that 4365 has no battery on its crossover,i think it is a simplified charge-couple circuit.
4313B may recovery it:D

[Goophy]

Please post the reviews if you have:applaud:

Here is the conclusion-part.

http://i.imgur.com/khpmm.jpg

I bought a pair anyway, sounds awesome.

[qcieri]

Hello everyone! For your information, the Italian Hi-Fi Magazine Audio Review has just published, in the May 2012 issue, a complete technical and listening test of the JBL 4365 (9 pages). We, as Italian distributor of JBL consumer products, sent them the pair of speakers for the test.

You can see on the Audio Review website (http://www.audioreview.it/index.php?option=com_flippingbook&view=book&id=4&page=48&Itemid=71) the preview of the magazine; unfortunately it is at low-resolution...
We will be allowed to distribute freely the complete PDF of the test only after at least two month from the publication. In the meanwhile I put here two graphs (I know the Director of Audio Review allows me to do so).

55953

The upper graph is of course the frequency response in listening room (pink noise, 2,83 Vin); the lower graph is the frequency response in anechoic environment (always 2,83 Vin). The upper curve is measured on axis and shows also the L-Pads level variations; the center and lower curves are measured at 30 and 45 degrees respectively.

In the past months/years Audio Review tested also JBL Everest, K2-S9800, 4312MII, 4319, ES80, LS80 and Studio 580. For all of them the embargo period has finished, so I can publish the tests if anyone is interested...

[JBLAddict]

because it is too cheap?:confused:
Let's talk about hi-end speakers:bouncy:

I can't believe how #1 (THE Sonus Faber) just flat out copied the L7 :p

55954

[audiomagnate]

I can't believe how #1 (THE Sonus Faber) just flat out copied the L7 :p

55954
Now that's funny. I heard this speaker at the 2011 CES and was not impressed. My buddy has Cremonas, and with a good sub they sound better than these overpriced monsters, IMHO.

[grumpy]

If you want to see old tower speakers with subs on the side, you can go back a lot further than L7 vintage :)

[SEAWOLF97]

I can't believe how #1 (THE Sonus Faber) just flat out copied the L7 :p

and the L7 copied who ?

AR90 from 1979

[audiomagnate]

and the L7 copied who ?

AR90 from 1979
I was going to say that. That was AR's best speaker. Many people don't know this, but audio peaked in 1979.

[1audiohack]

Many people don't know this, but audio peaked in 1979.

Oh?

[JBLAddict]

Yeah, but none of those other sets give you the opportunity to spend.....two hundred thousand dollars on two speakers!

[audiomagnate]

Yeah, but none of those other sets give you the opportunity to spend.....two hundred thousand dollars on two speakers!

Some of which sound like dried dog s***. The emperor has no clothes.

[Titanium Dome]

I was going to say that. That was AR's best speaker. Many people don't know this, but audio peaked in 1979.


Oh?

I've just had two Adios MF and three shots of Patron (Silver), so I have no inhibitions, so 1979 audio is like a dead skunk on the highway in my rearview mirror. I can still smell it, but I don't want to relive it anytime soon. :rotfl:

No offense...

Of course, each of us is entitled to our opinions. :yes:

[4313B]

I've just had two Adios MF and three shots of Patron (Silver), so I have no inhibitions, so 1979 audio is like a dead skunk on the highway in my rearview mirror. I can still smell it, but I don't want to relive it anytime soon. :rotfl:
:rotfl:

[JuniorJBL]

I hate to be the bearer of bad news but we do have most of the "good" JBL's.


:applaud:

I like my 1400's WAY more than my (just sold) B&W Signature 800's. That list comes from a reviewer who listens by price!!
At 12k for new 1400's they are quite a bargin compared to even the 25k 800 diamonds!:p

[JBLAddict]

:applaud:

I like my 1400's WAY more than my (just sold) B&W Signature 800's. That list comes from a reviewer who listens by price!!
At 12k for new 1400's they are quite a bargin compared to even the 25k 800 diamonds!:p

care to give a comparison between the 1400 and Sig800?

[Mr. Widget]

:applaud:

I like my 1400's WAY more than my (just sold) B&W Signature 800's. That list comes from a reviewer who listens by price!!
At 12k for new 1400's they are quite a bargin compared to even the 25k 800 diamonds!:pI haven't heard the Signature 800s, but I have had the opportunity to AB the 800D and the 1400 Arrays in a double blind comparison. I could happily live with either speaker. I think they are both quite wonderful. Obviously at 1/2 the price, I think the JBL is the hands down winner, but interestingly in the blind listening session, it was actually difficult to consistently know which speaker was which. As much as we can in audio, I'd call it a tie.


Widget

[Sundown]

I haven't heard the Signature 800s, but I have had the opportunity to AB the 800D and the 1400 Arrays in a double blind comparison. I could happily live with either speaker. I think they are both quite wonderful. Obviously at 1/2 the price, I think the JBL is the hands down winner, but interestingly in the blind listening session, it was actually difficult to consistently know which speaker was which. As much as we can in audio, I'd call it a tie.


Widget

Not surprised. i've always thought, nice sounding B&W is; way overpriced and all about a status.

[martin_wu99]

Here is the conclusion-part.



I bought a pair anyway, sounds awesome.
Thank you
But i do not uhderstand German at all

[martin_wu99]

Hello everyone! For your information, the Italian Hi-Fi Magazine Audio Review has just published, in the May 2012 issue, a complete technical and listening test of the JBL 4365 (9 pages). We, as Italian distributor of JBL consumer products, sent them the pair of speakers for the test.

You can see on the Audio Review website (http://www.audioreview.it/index.php?option=com_flippingbook&view=book&id=4&page=48&Itemid=71) the preview of the magazine; unfortunately it is at low-resolution...
We will be allowed to distribute freely the complete PDF of the test only after at least two month from the publication. In the meanwhile I put here two graphs (I know the Director of Audio Review allows me to do so).

55953

The upper graph is of course the frequency response in listening room (pink noise, 2,83 Vin); the lower graph is the frequency response in anechoic environment (always 2,83 Vin). The upper curve is measured on axis and shows also the L-Pads level variations; the center and lower curves are measured at 30 and 45 degrees respectively.

In the past months/years Audio Review tested also JBL Everest, K2-S9800, 4312MII, 4319, ES80, LS80 and Studio 580. For all of them the embargo period has finished, so I can publish the tests if anyone is interested...
Thank you for your input.
You are welcome.

[martin_wu99]

I can't believe how #1 (THE Sonus Faber) just flat out copied the L7 :p

55954

I don't think so. lots of speakers have woofs on its side for many years.
who copied who? :dont-know:
BTW,i don't like this design,the bass sounds unreal:blink:

[JBLAddict]

I don't think so. lots of speakers have woofs on its side for many years.
who copied who? :dont-know:
BTW,i don't like this design,the bass sounds unreal:blink:

Hi Martin,

I was making a bad joke. Sorry, sometimes these things don't translate well.

All good....

[martin_wu99]

Hi Martin,

I was making a bad joke. Sorry, sometimes these things don't translate well.

All good....
Sorry for what?come on,we guys come here just for talking about JBL speaker freely,don't we?:blink:
If i'm wrong,pls point out directly:applaud:

[caladois]

Did JBL produce special stands for 4365 ?

[martin_wu99]

Did JBL produce special stands for 4365 ?
JBL has special stands like this:

[4313B]

I'm really not into the hydraulic car jack look.

[martin_wu99]

I'm really not into the hydraulic car jack look.
But it works,doesn't it?:D

[hjames]

JBL has special stands like this:
http://www.audioheritage.org/vbulletin/attachment.php?attachmentid=55978&stc=1&d=1339506898
F'ugly!!

[BMWCCA]

F'ugly!!

Can I just buy the logo badges??

[jblnut]

I kinda like the modern industrial chic look - would match my VTI stands pretty well...

Wonder what they go for ?

jblnut

[martin_wu99]

F'ugly!!
What kind of a beautiful stands are you looking for?:eek:

[martin_wu99]

Can I just buy the logo badges??
That's a good idea:bouncy:

[hjames]

Something in a lovely authetic wood design,
not something that looks like a cheaply cast plastic mag wheel nut!


Can I just buy the logo badges??
I can get all the nice logos I need by buying the cheaper BestBuy Big box store type JBLs or grills,
prying the nice logos off, then trashing the rest of the pile ...
Or, if need be, you can always sell the speakers without the grills on CL or eBray.


http://www.audioheritage.org/vbulletin/attachment.php?attachmentid=55978&stc=1&d=1339506898What kind of a beautiful stands are you looking for?:eek:

[SEAWOLF97]

not something that looks like a cheaply cast plastic mag wheel nut!

naw, those are PERFECT !!!!
















(under some 70's Sansui Kabuki speakers)



What kind of a beautiful stands are you looking for?http://www.audioheritage.org/vbulletin/images/smilies/eek.gif

every time I've been to Asia, there is always incredible wood crafts with beautiful woods,
surely something ascetically pleasing is available ?

[martin_wu99]

naw, those are PERFECT !!!!
















(under some 70's Sansui Kabuki speakers)




every time I've been to Asia, there is always incredible wood crafts with beautiful woods,
surely something ascetically pleasing is available ?

In my experience, different stands material have different sound characteristics,and it makes a big difference.
we believe in it very much.

[martin_wu99]

example

[martin_wu99]

more pics

[martin_wu99]

more....

[hjames]

You prove our point -
the beautiful wood stands are so much nicer looking than the cheap plastic Lug Nut with the JBL logo ...
Obviously, KenRick Sound has better taste than Harman Kardon!

[martin_wu99]

More.....

[martin_wu99]

More.......and

[martin_wu99]

Last one

[hjames]

why does JBL 4365 only rank 10th in Japanese eyes? (http://www.audioheritage.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?33024-why-does-JBL-4365-only-rank-10th-in-Japanese-eyes)

Umm - bribery??

[martin_wu99]

why does JBL 4365 only rank 10th in Japanese eyes? (http://www.audioheritage.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?33024-why-does-JBL-4365-only-rank-10th-in-Japanese-eyes)

Umm - bribery??

Don't worry,this is not a academy session,we can chat more limitlessly:applaud:

[hjames]

Don't worry,this is not a academy session,we can chat more limitlessly:applaud:

Why does JBL 4365 only rank 10th in Japanese eyes?

Honestly?? I frankly don't care why ...
It either does or doesn't sell - and if they don't sell them stateside, its a moot topic to most of us anyway.


For myself, after being burned by the AVR-7300 and some other JUNK electronics Harman sold and provided no real support for, I don't really care if they do well or not, I don't trust their quality enough to buy another new Harman gadget.

Understand, at one time my entire large room system was just JBL and Harman gear ...
JBL 4341 Studio Monitors, JBL LC2 center, JBL L100T/3 surrounds, JBL L20T rear surround, JBL B30 sub, JBL/UREI M552 crossover, JBL 6230 and JBL 6260 power amps, HK Citation 22 bridged mono for the sub amp, and the HK AVR 7300 as the frontend for everything. It was the top of the line receiver and it can't be repaired reliably. I'm just out my money. Trash.

The vintage stuff was fine, the new stuff ... not worth trusting.


Now - there is NO HK or JBL in that system ...

[martin_wu99]

Why does JBL 4365 only rank 10th in Japanese eyes?

Honestly?? I frankly don't care why ...
It either does or doesn't sell - and if they don't sell them stateside, its a moot topic to most of us anyway.


For myself, after being burned by the AVR-7300 and some other JUNK electronics Harman sold and provided no real support for, I don't really care if they do well or not, I don't trust their quality enough to buy another new Harman gadget.

Understand, at one time my entire large room system was just JBL and Harman gear ...
JBL 4341 Studio Monitors, JBL LC2 center, JBL L100T/3 surrounds, JBL L20T rear surround, JBL B30 sub, JBL/UREI M552 crossover, JBL 6230 and JBL 6260 power amps, HK Citation 22 bridged mono for the sub amp, and the HK AVR 7300 as the frontend for everything. It was the top of the line receiver and it can't be repaired reliably. I'm just out my money. Trash.

The vintage stuff was fine, the new stuff ... not worth trusting.


Now - there is NO HK or JBL in that system ...

Your saying is something similar to the old fancier in China,the new JBL is not as good as the old!:crying:
We have a vivid saying: JBL pass through HK,gold turns into iron:dont-know:

[4313B]

the new JBL is not as good as the old!Thank you for stating that Mr. Obvious.

Those who care, know that. The rest don't care.

[Valentin]

The word is that we would prefer the S4700. I haven't looked to see what the prices are for either system.I'll try and remember to when I get back home next week.


spinorama :bouncy:

[martin_wu99]

Thank you for stating that Mr. Obvious.

Those who care, know that. The rest don't care.
Thank you,Mr.Right:applaud:
Whether you care or not,JBL is JBL:D

[hjames]

Thank you,Mr.Right:applaud:
Whether you care or not,JBL is JBL:D

Not as much as it used to be, thank you very much ...

[4313B]

JBL was JBL. Now JBL is by Harman. :rotfl:

There is no doubt in the least that they were better as James B. Lansing Sound, Inc.

JBL Pro is still hanging in there, although it's really too bad that Doug Button left. I personally consider his leaving a big negative.

[Ian Mackenzie]

Could that mean another JBL re birth like Tad?

[4313B]

Could that mean another JBL re birth like Tad?I don't know. They do seem to have a ton of resources behind them.

[martin_wu99]

Could that mean another JBL re birth like Tad?
Another JBL rebirth???:eek:

Any new products?:confused:

[hjames]

Another JBL rebirth???:eek:

Any new products?:confused:

:blink:

It is merely the passing of aromatic wind at this point,
Management truth must be combined to bring forth true essence and productive substance.

[SEAWOLF97]

Chinese car manufacturers aiming to tap into the high-end market.

seems a good market :crying:


The longest traffic jam in the world ..in China . 260 kilometers (161 miles)

[JBLAddict]

This might have been posted before but here it is again:

http://www.saturdayeveningpost.com/2009/05/04/in-the-magazine/features/jobs-leave-harman-international-industries-munro-shoes.html


I hadn't read this, thanks for (re?)posting, won't comment further on my feelings other than it's depressing to read.....

[4313B]

seems a good market :crying:


The longest traffic jam in the world ..in China . 260 kilometers (161 miles)Suddenly the 405 doesn't seem so bad at all! :rotfl:

[Titanium Dome]

Suddenly the 405 doesn't seem so bad at all! :rotfl:


I had to drive it on Sunday, and trust me, it still seems bad. One hour and forty-eight minutes from the I-5 split in the north to the 110 south. Still, it was only 35 miles of traffic jam.


------------------------------

As for the laments for JBL of a bygone era, that epitaph was already written.

:dead_horse:


As for current JBL by HARMAN branded gear, I'm happy with current K2 and SAM1HF/SAM2LF products, and the late Performance Series, with its Chinese developed drivers. In fact, those drivers are my favorite part of the PT250 experiment, too.

Widget and a few others seem pretty pleased with their Everest IIs and/or 1400 Arrays.

If I were to upgrade any of my current favorites, it wouldn't be to go back to the 70s, 80s, or 90s. :no:

--------------------------

Martin

The Stereo Sound Grand Prix selections are far from definitive. It's more of a showcase than a comprehensive evaluation of all comparable products. It's meant to generate buzz in the Stereo Sound community, create discussion, and award prizes. In any given year, some of the better products are not even in the running due to lack of availability, lack of time, lack of comparable listening environments, lack of interest. It's more of a "this is the best of what we were able to get to this year."

I find it interesting, but not authoritative. I'm sure it does not represent the opinion of all the Japanese hi-fi enthusiasts.

[JBLAddict]

I had to drive it on Sunday, and trust me, it still seems bad. One hour and forty-eight minutes from the I-5 split in the north to the 110 south. Still, it was only 35 miles of traffic jam.


just to stay on topic, I'm SURE the speakers were Control 1 :D


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=piuXBI8nfLs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DitoozUsXKc&feature=relmfu

[martin_wu99]

seems a good market :crying:


The longest traffic jam in the world ..in China . 260 kilometers (161 miles)
Many big cities in China seem to be a huge car park
But the pic seem to be Russia?

[Titanium Dome]

http://www.audioheritage.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?33024-why-does-JBL-4365-only-rank-10th-in-Japanese-eyes&p=334807&viewfull=1#post334807

Totally.

No, I mean TOTALLY, dude. Dude from the OC.

If only I could have gotten those SAM1HF units in Alameda, then taken the 880 to the 101 to the 152 to the 5 South all the way through the Central Valley, then up through the Grapevine and Tejon Pass past Pyramid Lake and Great America in Santa Clarita down to the 405 through (God help Me) the Valley past the Northridge/Balboa exit to JBL/Harman, the Sepulveda Pass past the 101 and the 10 and the Westside past Santa Monica, Marina Del Rey, and the 105 and LAX, I would have been copasetic to the 110 south to San Pedro (Pee-dro) to Gaffey and 5th St to the Bandini tunnel and San Pedro Canyon...

But NO! No SAM1HF deliveries for you!!! Sorry man! It's harshing my buzz...

You'll need to UPS or FedEx it.

But hey, I got 33.0 MPG. :yes: And I listened to Clazziquai on the K2s when I got home.

[martin_wu99]

Suddenly the 405 doesn't seem so bad at all! :rotfl:
What is 405?:confused:

[Titanium Dome]

What is 405?:confused:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interstate_405_(California)

It's the freeway that Huikyong takes every day to work, and the one I try to avoid whenever possible. Most places it's 10 lanes wide (including carpool lanes), and in some places it's 14 lanes wide. It takes her 1 hour and 30 minutes to drive the 17 miles home from work in the afternoon. So she's averaging 25.5 miles per hour.

Her car has Infinity speakers in it, so she can't even enjoy JBLs on her commute. :eek:

[4343]

http://www.audioheritage.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?33024-why-does-JBL-4365-only-rank-10th-in-Japanese-eyes&p=334807&viewfull=1#post334807

Totally.

No, I mean TOTALLY, dude. Dude from the OC.

If only I could have gotten those SAM1HF units in Alameda, then taken the 880 to the 101 to the 152 to the 5 South all the way through the Central Valley, then up through the Grapevine and Tejon Pass past Pyramid Lake and Great America in Santa Clarita down to the 405 through (God help Me) the Valley past the Northridge/Balboa exit to JBL/Harman, the Sepulveda Pass past the 101 and the 10 and the Westside past Santa Monica, Marina Del Rey, and the 105 and LAX, I would have been copasetic to the 110 south to San Pedro (Pee-dro) to Gaffey and 5th St to the Bandini tunnel and San Pedro Canyon...

But NO! No SAM1HF deliveries for you!!! Sorry man! It's harshing my buzz...

You'll need to UPS or FedEx it.

But hey, I got 33.0 MPG. :yes: And I listened to Clazziquai on the K2s when I got home.

Except there is no "The 880". That's a SC thing, and 880 ain't down there. Northern California has been calling it "880" since it was built, well those that don't still call it "17". Likewise 101, 153 and 5 South, and North. 280, 380 580, 680, even 80, no "The" needed, and I've been down it all, never heard anyone add "The".:D Gotta learn the lingo dude, when in... :blink:

All that unnecessary "The" this and "The" that grates on the ears, like hearing someone saying "The El Camino". Really? The The Highway?:banghead:
It sort of reminds me of being in New Jersey for some reason, you think that's where it came from?

Funny though, Great America is in Santa _Clara_ up here. Must be the bigger version?

My wife drives 101 everyday, 15 miles round trip, her car turned a year old this month, but it hasn't needed any gas yet. Still has the dealer gas in it... And Boze speakers, not that they sound bad, at least not till you really crank 'em.

[4343]

example

Is that 4312's are designed to be used _horizontally_, not vertically on some over priced stand.:p

Do you know if the pair is mirrored?

[martin_wu99]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interstate_405_(California)

It's the freeway that Huikyong takes every day to work, and the one I try to avoid whenever possible. Most places it's 10 lanes wide (including carpool lanes), and in some places it's 14 lanes wide. It takes her 1 hour and 30 minutes to drive the 17 miles home from work in the afternoon. So she's averaging 25.5 miles per hour.

Her car has Infinity speakers in it, so she can't even enjoy JBLs on her commute. :eek:
Ooop，405 is so famous in the U.S:D
What car has Infinity speakers?GM has Bose speakers in it.

[martin_wu99]

Martin

The Stereo Sound Grand Prix selections are far from definitive. It's more of a showcase than a comprehensive evaluation of all comparable products. It's meant to generate buzz in the Stereo Sound community, create discussion, and award prizes. In any given year, some of the better products are not even in the running due to lack of availability, lack of time, lack of comparable listening environments, lack of interest. It's more of a "this is the best of what we were able to get to this year."

I find it interesting, but not authoritative. I'm sure it does not represent the opinion of all the Japanese hi-fi enthusiasts.[/QUOTE]
The Stereo Sound Grand Prix is just a reference, i think it is relatively reasonable than others hifi reviews
:D

[martin_wu99]

Is that 4312's are designed to be used _horizontally_, not vertically on some over priced stand.:p

Do you know if the pair is mirrored?
You can lay your 4312s horizontally or vertically,whatever if you like,no problem at all, it must be mirrored;)

[Titanium Dome]

Except there is no "The 880". That's a SC thing, and 880 ain't down there. Northern California has been calling it "880" since it was built, well those that don't still call it "17". Likewise 101, 153 and 5 South, and North. 280, 380 580, 680, even 80, no "The" needed, and I've been down it all, never heard anyone add "The".:D Gotta learn the lingo dude, when in... :blink:

All that unnecessary "The" this and "The" that grates on the ears, like hearing someone saying "The El Camino". Really? The The Highway?:banghead:
It sort of reminds me of being in New Jersey for some reason, you think that's where it came from?

Funny though, Great America is in Santa _Clara_ up here. Must be the bigger version?

My wife drives 101 everyday, 15 miles round trip, her car turned a year old this month, but it hasn't needed any gas yet. Still has the dealer gas in it... And Boze speakers, not that they sound bad, at least not till you really crank 'em.

Yep, that' some funny stuff; however, there was no "The" used as a proper noun marker, only "the" as a definite article used as an uninflected stem for a specifying effect. There's only one 880 in all the US since the decommissioning of an 880 around Sacramento in the early 1980s, so yours is the 880.

Now take I-275: there's one in Florida, one in Tennessee, one in Kentucky-Indiana-Ohio, one in NW Ohio, and a fifth one in SW Michigan. No matter which one you're on, you're on "a" 275 until you specify which one: the Toledo 275, for example.

The use of definite and indefinite articles is part of my American English lingo, bro. ;) I use it all across this great land.

Here, just for you:

If only I could have gotten SAM1HF units in Alameda, then taken 880 to 101 to 152 to 5 South all way through Central Valley, then up through Grapevine and Tejon Pass past Pyramid Lake and Great America in Santa Clarita down to 405 through (God help Me) Valley past Northridge/Balboa exit to JBL/Harman, Sepulveda Pass past 101 and 10 and Westside past Santa Monica, Marina Del Rey, and 105 and LAX, I would have been copasetic to 110 south to San Pedro (Pee-dro) to Gaffey and 5th St to Bandini tunnel and San Pedro Canyon...

:cheers: Better?

[JBLAddict]

:cheers: Better?



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HqSibBZaRGs

being from Chicago, I still find the NorCal SoCal hatefest quite amusing as both subcultures can be supremely annoying, here's the other side of the "whaddaYeh doin' here Stu'art!!" coin, adroitly captured by Southpark genius

[ivica]

Hello everyone! For your information, the Italian Hi-Fi Magazine Audio Review has just published, in the May 2012 issue, a complete technical and listening test of the JBL 4365 (9 pages). We, as Italian distributor of JBL consumer products, sent them the pair of speakers for the test.

You can see on the Audio Review website (http://www.audioreview.it/index.php?option=com_flippingbook&view=book&id=4&page=48&Itemid=71) the preview of the magazine; unfortunately it is at low-resolution...
We will be allowed to distribute freely the complete PDF of the test only after at least two month from the publication. In the meanwhile I put here two graphs (I know the Director of Audio Review allows me to do so).

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The upper graph is of course the frequency response in listening room (pink noise, 2,83 Vin); the lower graph is the frequency response in anechoic environment (always 2,83 Vin). The upper curve is measured on axis and shows also the L-Pads level variations; the center and lower curves are measured at 30 and 45 degrees respectively.

In the past months/years Audio Review tested also JBL Everest, K2-S9800, 4312MII, 4319, ES80, LS80 and Studio 580. For all of them the embargo period has finished, so I can publish the tests if anyone is interested...

Hello Qcieri

I think that it would be nice if You can put mentioned PDF-s of JBL 4365, K2-S9800,....testing data.

Regards
Ivica

[qcieri]

Hello Qcieri

I think that it would be nice if You can put mentioned PDF-s of JBL 4365, K2-S9800,....testing data.

Regards
Ivica

Hi Ivica, you can download the test of DD66000 Everest, K2-S9800 and 4365 from these links:

DD66000 Everest (http://www.cieri.net/temp/JBL_DD66000_Everest_-_Test_di_Audio_Review_(09-2008).pdf)
K2-S9800 (http://www.cieri.net/temp/JBL_K2-S9800_-_Test_di_Audio_Review_(05-2008).pdf)
4365 (http://www.cieri.net/temp/JBL_4365_-_Test_di_Audio_Review_(05-2012).pdf)

As said we, as official distributors for Italy, were authorized to do so by Audio Review magazine. :)

[ivica]

Hi Ivica, you can download the test of DD66000 Everest, K2-S9800 and 4365 from these links:

DD66000 Everest (http://www.cieri.net/temp/JBL_DD66000_Everest_-_Test_di_Audio_Review_%2809-2008%29.pdf)
K2-S9800 (http://www.cieri.net/temp/JBL_K2-S9800_-_Test_di_Audio_Review_%2805-2008%29.pdf)
4365 (http://www.cieri.net/temp/JBL_4365_-_Test_di_Audio_Review_%2805-2012%29.pdf)

As said we, as official distributors for Italy, were authorized to do so by Audio Review magazine. :)

Hi Qcieri,

Many thanks for the excitable measurements You have given us with the instructive comments comprehended. Especially, I want to mention IM (inter-modulation) distortion that are not usually presented in the most of the other test data (even not in "GT-white papers").

Many thanks,
Regards Ivica

[old-fashioned]

Very interesting thread!
Today a stylish wooden cabinet with chrome plated accessories is more important than the natural sound. Lifestyle is the big topic...
But the 2nd biggest Sonus Faber "unfortunately" sounds really good... They went back to the old-fashioned Scan Speak drivers I also regard very much and use at home beside the JBL units. Nearly all worldwide well known high-end speaker companies produce their speakers in China.
I´ve seen EVERYTHING! It´s important to keep the R&D, the heart of a speaker company, in the country where it was founded.
Otherwise we speaker guys will be unemployed very soon or have to do painstaking freelancer jobs across Asia...

BR

Andreas

[old-fashioned]

Btw:

Is any research documentation available about the acoustic pros and cons of the bi-radial horns and the older radial horns?
I really have problems with the broad on-axis dip of the radial horns... Linear efficiency or balanced acoustic power is something different.

[ivica]

Btw:

Is any research documentation available about the acoustic pros and cons of the bi-radial horns and the older radial horns?
I really have problems with the broad on-axis dip of the radial horns... Linear efficiency or balanced acoustic power is something different.

Hi Old-fashioned,

For the beginning a lot of mentioned 'on-axis dip' can be find on Mr.Keele web site

http://www.xlrtechs.com/dbkeele.com/papers.htm



http://www.xlrtechs.com/dbkeele.com/PDF/Keele (1973-09 AES Preprint) - Optimum Horn Mouth Size.pdf



http://www.xlrtechs.com/dbkeele.com/PDF/Keele (1975-05 AES Preprint) - Whats So Sacred Exp Horns.pdf



Regards
Ivica

[old-fashioned]

Thanks!
I´ll have a look.:)

[Akira]

Because they have slanted eyes!
Hey, relax...I'm Japanese so I'm allowed to say that.:p

[martin_wu99]

Because they have slanted eyes!
Hey, relax...I'm Japanese so I'm allowed to say that.:p
Not exactly,Japanese love JBL so much,but now Stereo Sound only rank them by the price list:banghead:

[bubbleboy76]

Hi Ivica, you can download the test of DD66000 Everest, K2-S9800 and 4365 from these links:

DD66000 Everest (http://www.cieri.net/temp/JBL_DD66000_Everest_-_Test_di_Audio_Review_(09-2008).pdf)
K2-S9800 (http://www.cieri.net/temp/JBL_K2-S9800_-_Test_di_Audio_Review_(05-2008).pdf)
4365 (http://www.cieri.net/temp/JBL_4365_-_Test_di_Audio_Review_(05-2012).pdf)

As said we, as official distributors for Italy, were authorized to do so by Audio Review magazine. :)

For us who does not speak italian, what is the conclusion of the 4365 review?

[hjames]

why does JBL 4365 only rank 10th in Japanese eyes? (http://www.audioheritage.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?33024-why-does-JBL-4365-only-rank-10th-in-Japanese-eyes)
Gawd, are you guys still flogging that dolphin??

:blink:

The whole point is that JBL 4-way monitors are popular to a limited but devoted group of fans -
they are not going to be huge sellers but should have solid sales over a long period of time.

[ivica]

For us who does not speak italian, what is the conclusion of the 4365 review?

Hi,

Sometime Google-translation can help, but looking at the figures from the presented data I can conclude:

- total harmonic distortion under about 100dB SPL is almost less then 1%, or around 1kHz even about 0.2%
- Inter-modulation distortion of about 5% is under 110dB SPL around 8kHz-octave
- Horn horizontal dispersion (as seen on the attached figure) , as I can understand the data, fluctuates from 4kHz to 14kHz ( about +/-30deg off-axis within +/-6dB region)
- vertical dispersion is very good +/-30deg

[pos]

This "ultra wide" dispersion in the 3khz-10khz range, with the off-axis curves actually *above* the on-axis one, is also what I get with my H9800 clones (here with a 2435 driver)

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[ivica]

This "ultra wide" dispersion in the 3khz-10khz range, with the off-axis curves actually *above* the on-axis one, is also what I get with my H9800 clones (here with a 2435 driver) 58327
Hi Pos,
Much better understanding of the off-axis response can be get if the responses are presented 'normalized' to 0-off-axis angle ( by subtraction in dB scale 0-off-axis angle response).
As an example Figures after 'normalization', and without any equalization and normalization. From the fist figure it can be concluded that almost +/-15deg off-axis angle can be get up to 20kHz (with the deviations less then +/-3dB), or +/-22degs up to 14kHz can be expected with +2/-6dB deviation , if (theoretically) on-axis response is 'ideally' equalized, while looking only the second figure such conclusion would be difficult to reach

Regards Ivica

[qcieri]

The listening sessions were performed by two different listeners in different rooms: the engineer that did the technical test (G. Matarazzo) and one of the most experienced listener of the magazine (M. Cicogna). I report hereafter just the main comments of Mr. Cicogna (sorry for my bad English, with a little help by Google Translate :) ).

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I am immediately impressed by the accuracy of the mid frequencies range of 4365. The music sounds clear, bright and very present.

The initial tracks of my selection are in fact dedicated to the Baroque repertoire, small instrumental groups and original instruments recordings, which are often among the most difficult to manage with the necessary balance.

Here we are on the right side (if you care to use that term) of "monitor", in the sense of a speaker capable of highlighting the contents of the disc, while maintaining with the software of good quality that natural pleasantness that the major manufacturers of loudspeaker systems have been able to guarantee.

My choice of piano in this period is centered on Decca recordings, a rich selection that allows us to enjoy the wide range of repertoire from Mozart to the twentieth century. Even at a moderate volume the left portion of the keyboard is solid and consistent, you do not feel imbalances in the transition between a range and the other. While the powerful octaves at low frequencies (Liszt) allow to appreciate the rich glaze of the Fazioli piano, the other more intimate passages of Chopin's poetry allow to read the meaning of the musical phrases without any trouble.

In concert (Brahms, Gershwin) the JBLs make clear the different rooms in different acoustic recordings, offering from time to time the correct balance between soloist and orchestra. There is no room for interpretation "bloodless" and indeed the 4365 reveal mediocrity. Who wants a "accommodating" speaker will do well to look elsewhere.

To move the woofers, nothing is better than "Fanfare for the Common Man" or "The Rite of Spring".
Decisive impact, with attacks steady to really high listening levels too. Just a slight inertia of the woofer damping, but it is better so than with those very small woofers that someone calls "controlled".
Good extension at the bottom end, although not outstanding in absolute. There are, however, very few significant music signals in the first octave and with 4365 the pedals of the organ in the church of St John the Divine (Telarc) are truly authoritative.

Extraordinary realism of orchestral timpani, thick and able to come out on a real level without distortion. An undeniable strength of this speaker.

Also with Telarc jazz-fusion acoustic-electronic you can increase the volume to very high level for the maximum satisfaction. I appreciate the solidity of the sax, blown and intense at the center of the sound stage.

These are speakers for connoisseurs, who don't retreat when they encounter strong flavors. At this price I can not imagine other so generous competitors.

[Dave_72]

Looks like a great speaker! Japanese eyes or not! :D

[4313B]

Looks like a great speaker! Japanese eyes or not! :DLike I told you before, G.T. thinks your S4700 is the better bet. He designed them both.

[Dave_72]

Like I told you before, G.T. thinks your S4700 is the better bet. He designed them both.

You did? I forgot! Sorry about that. Thanks! :D

[bubbleboy76]

Like I told you before, G.T. thinks your S4700 is the better bet. He designed them both.

S4700 costs 50% more than 4365...

In my currency (SEK), listprices are 120k vs 185k. Thats psychologically twice as much, for me!

[bubbleboy76]

The listening sessions were performed by two different listeners in different rooms: the engineer that did the technical test (G. Matarazzo) and one of the most experienced listener of the magazine (M. Cicogna). I report hereafter just the main comments of Mr. Cicogna (sorry for my bad English, with a little help by Google Translate :) ).

*************************************************

I am immediately impressed by the accuracy of the mid frequencies range of 4365. The music sounds clear, bright and very present.

The initial tracks of my selection are in fact dedicated to the Baroque repertoire, small instrumental groups and original instruments recordings, which are often among the most difficult to manage with the necessary balance.

Here we are on the right side (if you care to use that term) of "monitor", in the sense of a speaker capable of highlighting the contents of the disc, while maintaining with the software of good quality that natural pleasantness that the major manufacturers of loudspeaker systems have been able to guarantee.

My choice of piano in this period is centered on Decca recordings, a rich selection that allows us to enjoy the wide range of repertoire from Mozart to the twentieth century. Even at a moderate volume the left portion of the keyboard is solid and consistent, you do not feel imbalances in the transition between a range and the other. While the powerful octaves at low frequencies (Liszt) allow to appreciate the rich glaze of the Fazioli piano, the other more intimate passages of Chopin's poetry allow to read the meaning of the musical phrases without any trouble.

In concert (Brahms, Gershwin) the JBLs make clear the different rooms in different acoustic recordings, offering from time to time the correct balance between soloist and orchestra. There is no room for interpretation "bloodless" and indeed the 4365 reveal mediocrity. Who wants a "accommodating" speaker will do well to look elsewhere.

To move the woofers, nothing is better than "Fanfare for the Common Man" or "The Rite of Spring".
Decisive impact, with attacks steady to really high listening levels too. Just a slight inertia of the woofer damping, but it is better so than with those very small woofers that someone calls "controlled".
Good extension at the bottom end, although not outstanding in absolute. There are, however, very few significant music signals in the first octave and with 4365 the pedals of the organ in the church of St John the Divine (Telarc) are truly authoritative.

Extraordinary realism of orchestral timpani, thick and able to come out on a real level without distortion. An undeniable strength of this speaker.

Also with Telarc jazz-fusion acoustic-electronic you can increase the volume to very high level for the maximum satisfaction. I appreciate the solidity of the sax, blown and intense at the center of the sound stage.

These are speakers for connoisseurs, who don't retreat when they encounter strong flavors. At this price I can not imagine other so generous competitors.

Thank you very much!

[Dave_72]

S4700 costs 50% more than 4365...

In my currency (SEK), listprices are 120k vs 185k. Thats psychologically twice as much, for me!

Well, get the 4365 then!

[bubbleboy76]

Well, get the 4365 then!

I ordered them last week, togheter with a 4429 that will be my center :)

Estimated delivery in the beginning of May. Looong wait. So I enjoy reading positive italian reviews now!

[ngccglp]

I tried the 4365 extensively, I find them to be lean sounding compared with the older 43 series. Initially I thought it might be because it does not have the mid bass driver, but then my impression of my 4333 tells me that that the 4365 was voiced in a certain way, more accurate perhaps, but lacking in "whoomp" of the older series.

Seriously I would advise auditioning before purchase...

[Dave_72]

I ordered them last week, togheter with a 4429 that will be my center :)

Estimated delivery in the beginning of May. Looong wait. So I enjoy reading positive italian reviews now!

Good for you! Congrats!

[martin_wu99]

Like I told you before, G.T. thinks your S4700 is the better bet. He designed them both.
Impossible:eek:how can it be?4365 use 476mg (like 9900) and 045ti-1,but s4700 only use 175Nd-3 and 138Nd just like 4429.
they are not in the same level:crying:

[Mctwins]

I ordered them last week, togheter with a 4429 that will be my center :)

Estimated delivery in the beginning of May. Looong wait. So I enjoy reading positive italian reviews now!

Din lyckans ost!

Congrats to your purchase, great speakers allthou I have never heard them but I have listening to S4700 and to me it sounded JBL. I bet 4365 will sound the same.:)

[4313B]

Impossible:eek:how can it be?4365 use 476mg (like 9900) and 045ti-1,but s4700 only use 175Nd-3 and 138Nd just like 4429.
they are not in the same level:crying:The components in the 4365 were top shelf and absolutely worth owning.

The S4700, as a system, ended up being more musical.

[JuniorJBL]

The S4700, as a system, ended up being more musical.

Thanks Greg!!:D

[martin_wu99]

The components in the 4365 were top shelf and absolutely worth owning.

The S4700, as a system, ended up being more musical.
More musical?means more suitable for home use?
I think 4365 has the capability to challenge 9900:D

[bubbleboy76]

The components in the 4365 were top shelf and absolutely worth owning.

The S4700, as a system, ended up being more musical.

4313B, you seem to have some inside information, so I have a question to you. The 1501fe driver in the 4365 was considered to be so succesful due to the cloth surround, so it now comes cloth surround versions of the 1500al, right? In the new top model k2.

Maybe 4365 is to good for its price...

[Dave_72]

The components in the 4365 were top shelf and absolutely worth owning.

The S4700, as a system, ended up being more musical.

Good to know. Thanks.

[Dave_72]

More musical?means more suitable for home use?
I think 4365 has the capability to challenge 9900:D

You heard what the man said. The S4700s rule! :bouncy:

[martin_wu99]

4313B, you seem to have some inside information, so I have a question to you. The 1501fe driver in the 4365 was considered to be so succesful due to the cloth surround, so it now comes cloth surround versions of the 1500al, right? In the new top model k2.

Maybe 4365 is to good for its price...
Very good question
I like JBL foam and cloth surround so much that i can not accept rubber surround in 4338\4348\1400 totally,
Many JBL lovers think that foam surround is magic key of JBL
Fortunately JBL seems to realize this and use cloth surround again,
Maybe foam surround again:D

[Dave_72]

Very good question
I like JBL foam and cloth surround so much that i can not accept rubber surround in 4338\4348\1400 totally,
Many JBL lovers think that foam surround is magic key of JBL
Fortunately JBL seems to realize this and use cloth surround again,
Maybe foam surround again:D


I believe the S4700s and K2 S9900s use the cloth surround.

[bubbleboy76]

S4700 is a wonderful speaker, but I could not afford that one.

How many hours should I expect until my 4365 are played in?

Big difference before and after? I actually never bought a new speaker before.

[4313B]

I actually never bought a new speaker before.Regardless of what is said here, I would be shocked if you didn't like them. You must be very excited. :)

[Mctwins]

S4700 is a wonderful speaker, but I could not afford that one.

How many hours should I expect until my 4365 are played in?

Big difference before and after? I actually never bought a new speaker before.

Couple of days if you have them playing all the time. I woulden't worry about it, you will forget how it sounded when they are new compared to later on. Play tunes with funky bass and some horns blowing.:applaud:

What gear are you using?

[bubbleboy76]

Couple of days if you have them playing all the time. I woulden't worry about it, you will forget how it sounded when they are new compared to later on. Play tunes with funky bass and some horns blowing.:applaud:

What gear are you using?

Marantz AV7005 preamp.
Hypex nCore monoblocks (1,2kw in 4ohm)
Stewart Firehawk 2,35:1 screen
Sim2 D80e projector

I will probably add a good dac and a good 2 channel preamp with HT-passthrough later on.

[bubbleboy76]

Regardless of what is said here, I would be shocked if you didn't like them. You must be very excited. :)

Indeed!

[Dave_72]

S4700 is a wonderful speaker, but I could not afford that one.

How many hours should I expect until my 4365 are played in?

Big difference before and after? I actually never bought a new speaker before.

I understand that. Anyway, you have a great speaker there! Enjoy! :)

[martin_wu99]

I believe the S4700s and K2 S9900s use the cloth surround.
9900 is not:blink:

[Dave_72]

9900 is not:blink:

are you sure? :confused:

[caladois]

S4700 is a wonderful speaker, but I could not afford that one.

How many hours should I expect until my 4365 are played in?

Big difference before and after? I actually never bought a new speaker before.

I wish I had the same existential questions !!!! Lucky man

[martin_wu99]

are you sure? :confused:
Of course,look at this

[martin_wu99]

I believe the S4700s and K2 S9900s use the cloth surround.
S4700 use cloth surround indeed,and its 2216Nd is so great that it is also used in newly developed M2.
so it is one of my goal.

Dave,JBL strongly recommend Crown® iTech 5000HD to power M2,so you should have a try to your S4700:applaud:

4313 said the designer himself has said that, in his opinion, the S4700 is more lively and musical compared to
4365.

[4313B]

Dave, JBL strongly recommend Crown® iTech 5000HD to power M2, so you should have a try to your S4700I would not be surprised if all this Crown technology filters down into the H/K line. If I'm not mistaken, some of the latest H/K's already incorporate some of the technology.

Alot of people complain that H/K isn't what it used to be. We'll JBL and Crown certainly aren't either! :rotfl: I'm pretty confident that they all go very well together. :D Just as intended.


4313 said the designer himself has said that, in his opinion, the S4700 is more lively and musical compared to 4365.The "Studio Monitor" systems have usually been voiced differently than the other Consumer products so it comes down to preference.

[martin_wu99]

I would not be surprised if all this Crown technology filters down into the H/K line. If I'm not mistaken, some of the latest H/K's already incorporate some of the technology.

Alot of people complain that H/K isn't what it used to be. We'll JBL and Crown certainly aren't either! :rotfl: I'm pretty confident that they all go very well together. :D Just as intended.

The "Studio Monitor" systems have usually been voiced differently than the other Consumer products so it comes down to preference.
Oh,i don't think H/K is a HIFI machine at all:eek:
look,this is Hi-End machine:crying:

[4313B]

Oh,i don't think H/K is a HIFI machine at all:eek:
look,this is Hi-End machine:crying::blah: :blah: :blah:

The fact remains that H/K has had its share of milestones. Harman will gladly sell you something from one of their other brands if you'd feel better spending alot more money. :) The Crown as referenced for instance, but get two.

But my point was specifically that the Crown technology will likely permeate throughout Harman. I mentioned H/K in particular simply because I noticed a few weeks ago that the newest offerings at the show were considerably lighter than previous models and I believe some form of EQ was incorported. I could be wrong as I didn't investigate in depth.

[JuniorJBL]

The Crown technology will likely permeate throughout Harman.


In the meantime Harman will continue to permeate on itself! :rotfl:

[4313B]

In the meantime Harman will continue to permeate on itself! :rotfl:I think that there was some decent intent somewhere in there at some point in history.

Really, I guess I just feel kind of bad for them. Well, some of them anyway.

[Dave_72]

S4700 use cloth surround indeed,and its 2216Nd is so great that it is also used in newly developed M2.
so it is one of my goal.

Dave,JBL strongly recommend Crown® iTech 5000HD to power M2,so you should have a try to your S4700:applaud:

4313 said the designer himself has said that, in his opinion, the S4700 is more lively and musical compared to
4365.

Yeah, I'm getting very good bass after break in of these S4700s. :spin:

Yeah, maybe. Right now, I'm looking at Pass Labs Class A amps. :D

Ok, cool, thanks! :cool:

[Dave_72]

Of course,look at this

Ok, thanks.

[Lee in Montreal]

On the subject of foam vs cloth surround, I have always wondered why JBL isn't using rubber surround. I had 30 year old Kef 105/2 on which the woofers had a rubber surround and they were like new after 3 decades. No drying, no desintegration.

Lee

[BMWCCA]

On the subject of foam vs cloth surround, I have always wondered why JBL isn't using rubber surround. I had 30 year old Kef 105/2 on which the woofers had a rubber surround and they were like new after 3 decades. No drying, no desintegration.
We know they have used the technology but just choose not to in most applications. Must be some reason for it which I assume has something to do with movement and/or efficiency. Everything in the L7 has butyl rubber surrounds except (the 035ti and . . .) the LE120H-1.

[JeffW]

They use rubber surrounds on some of the modern drivers.

[martin_wu99]

:blah: :blah: :blah:

The fact remains that H/K has had its share of milestones. Harman will gladly sell you something from one of their other brands if you'd feel better spending alot more money. :) The Crown as referenced for instance, but get two.

But my point was specifically that the Crown technology will likely permeate throughout Harman. I mentioned H/K in particular simply because I noticed a few weeks ago that the newest offerings at the show were considerably lighter than previous models and I believe some form of EQ was incorported. I could be wrong as I didn't investigate in depth.
Because of only a few of H/K low level AV amp could be found in China:(

[martin_wu99]

Yeah, I'm getting very good bass after break in of these S4700s. :spin:

Yeah, maybe. Right now, I'm looking at Pass Labs Class A amps. :D

Ok, cool, thanks! :cool:
After a long time run-in,your S4700 will be getting better and better:Dkeep on doing run-in
I think PASS 350.5 is a good choise for you,but in my opion, 350.5 is still lack of some powerful bass.

[martin_wu99]

On the subject of foam vs cloth surround, I have always wondered why JBL isn't using rubber surround. I had 30 year old Kef 105/2 on which the woofers had a rubber surround and they were like new after 3 decades. No drying, no desintegration.

Lee

Yes,no drying, no desintegration,and no rotting.
Rubber surround is widely used in many speakers for many years,and really,rubber surround can last for a long long time.
but for JBL,it is another thing.
Foam surround is JBL signboard.:D

[martin_wu99]

They use rubber surrounds on some of the modern drivers.

Yes,JBL begain to use rubber surround on some of its modern drivers in recent years.
JBL has a variety of surround selection.
But rubber surround for JBL is a revolution or regression,who knows? :dont-know:

[Freiberg Baard]

The 1500FE's in my 4348's have rubber surround. Very practical, I wish the ME150h's in my 4344mkII's had it also.

[martin_wu99]

The 1500FE's in my 4348's have rubber surround. Very practical, I wish the ME150h's in my 4344mkII's had it also.
One man's meat is another man's poison。
BTW,do you have any experience of comparing 4344MKI to 4344?:applaud:

[martin_wu99]

Yes,no drying, no desintegration,and no rotting.
Rubber surround is widely used in many speakers for many years,and really,rubber surround can last for a long long time.
but for JBL,it is another thing.
Foam surround is JBL signboard.:D
and more,JBL has three his special skills,paper cone,foam surround and horns:D

[Dave_72]

After a long time run-in,your S4700 will be getting better and better:Dkeep on doing run-in
I think PASS 350.5 is a good choise for you,but in my opion, 350.5 is still lack of some powerful bass.

Yes, I feel the same way. It is in fact getting better. For Pass Labs, I'm looking at the XA 160.5 or the XA 200.5.

[martin_wu99]

Yes, I feel the same way. It is in fact getting better. For Pass Labs, I'm looking at the XA 160.5 or the XA 200.5.
No ,i think it is too small,you need XA 350.5 at least.or you can try GRYPHON DIABLO.

Several days before,i listened S4700 at local dealer for hours,it's very amazing,much easier to driver than 4365, more cleaner bass than 4348.
So forget 4365,just enjoy your S4700:D

[Dave_72]

No ,i think it is too small,you need XA 350.5 at least.or you can try GRYPHON DIABLO.

Several days before,i listened S4700 at local dealer for hours,it's very amazing,much easier to driver than 4365, more cleaner bass than 4348.
So forget 4365,just enjoy your S4700:D

Well, ok, but I really want to get a CLASS A amp. The 160.5 and 200.5 amps are not small amps! They are big in size.

What is the price of the Gryphon? Probably overpriced...

Cool, glad you like it. ;)

[martin_wu99]

Well, ok, but I really want to get a CLASS A amp. The 160.5 and 200.5 amps are not small amps! They are big in size.

What is the price of the Gryphon? Probably overpriced...

Cool, glad you like it. ;)
Oh,size means nothing;)
No,i don't like Gryphon at all, just like the name of its Chinese Translation ,means it's so expensive that make people crazy:crying:but since many guys talk about it,so i suggest you to try it.
It is also well known that Accuphase is very match with JBL:D

[Dave_72]

Oh,size means nothing;)
No,i don't like Gryphon at all, just like the name of its Chinese Translation ,means it's so expensive that make people crazy:crying:but since many guys talk about it,so i suggest you to try it.
It is also well known that Accuphase is very match with JBL:D


haha size matters! :D

Oh ok, there's no distribution here in the US as far as I know for Gryphon. Accuphase is good, but 3 times the price compared to the Japanese price. Way too expensive.

Pass Labs FTW!

[martin_wu99]

Yes, I feel the same way. It is in fact getting better. For Pass Labs, I'm looking at the XA 160.5 or the XA 200.5.
FYI
Class A,MONO,8ohm 160w,4ohm 320w

[4313B]

Very nice looking gear!

But I am so glad that my hearing isn't good enough to warrant such an expenditure. :bouncy:

[Dave_72]

FYI
Class A,MONO,8ohm 160w,4ohm 320w

Yep, that's the one! Killer amps! :cheers:

[Dave_72]

Very nice looking gear!

But I am so glad that my hearing isn't good enough to warrant such an expenditure. :bouncy:

Yeah, I think so too. Haha, well I can hear up to 18Khz. I'm 41. Is that good?

[JeffW]

Yep, that's the one! Killer amps! :cheers:

I think you'll find that Pass amps are not very well regarded on this site. I say buy what you like, but Pass gear is a damn hard sale around here.

[grumpy]

... a generalization I've not seen warranted, nor one I personally subscribe to.
I've always thought it would be fun to own a pair of older SA/1 monoblocks.

[caladois]

A single Sa/3.9e should easily match the S4700 !!!

[JeffW]

Jj... a generalization I've not seen warranted, nor one I personally subscribe to.
I've always thought it would be fun to own a pair of older SA/1 monoblocks.

Sorry, I should have specified "Pass Labs", the SA/1 is a Threshold amp I believe.

[grumpy]

Indeed. I view older Threshold and Pass Labs as having the same creative force behind the companies,
and have also heard the XA30.5 + XVR-1 + Levinson No. 433 driving Everest 2's quite nicely a few years
ago (by way of the Design Interaction show demo). There may have been an X250(.5?) swapped in at
some point ... It's been too long now.

I'm not sure there's much to complain about, sound-wise.

[4313B]

Yeah, I think so too. Haha, well I can hear up to 18Khz. I'm 41. Is that good?Yep.

BTW - I have thousands of hearing test results at my fingertips... all that means is that I get a good chuckle out of all that "air" being heard above twenty thousand cycles. :rolleyes:

[Mr. Widget]

BTW - I have thousands of hearing test results at my fingertips... all that means is that I get a good chuckle out of all that "air" being heard above twenty thousand cycles. :rolleyes:Years ago when Zilch and I were measuring the ring radiators, he flat out couldn't hear the sine wave test tones above about 9KHz, yet he could hear the tweeters under test and had opinions about their relative sonic signatures. I'm not saying he could appreciate the nuance as well as a much younger person, but he certainly could still enjoy the speakers which he theoretically couldn't "hear".

When I was 18 I could hear 20KHz sine waves... today I top out at 15KHz. Back then I listened to EV T-35As and 2405s... now I have magnificent Be tweeters and undoubtedly am not hearing all that they can offer. :(


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[SEAWOLF97]

Yeah, I think so too. Haha, well I can hear up to 18Khz. I'm 41. Is that good?

I've got 23 years on you and consider myself lucky to make 14.5-15k (and I spent my wasted youth at rock concerts, aboard hueys and on the flight deck of a carrier ...
you want loud ? stand next to a Phantom spinning up ...)


I think you'll find that Pass amps are not very well regarded on this site.

not the way I read it.

[Mr. Widget]

Sorry, I should have specified "Pass Labs", the SA/1 is a Threshold amp I believe.Why are you still battling a one man's war against Pass Labs? I personally like their products, but if you have found something you like better that's fine and I'd be curious to hear from you about that, but to constantly damn Pass Labs? Don't you have something better to do with your time?


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[grumpy]

Lol... not way off topic... In my view, it started out as what is perceived, what is accepted, what is valued, what is enjoyed...

[4313B]

now I have magnificent Be tweeters and undoubtedly am not hearing all that they can offer. :(Maybe not all the good parts, but they do offer up a generous dose of comb filtering. Just don't measure them and it will all be fine. :)
Why are you still battling a one man's war against Pass Labs? I personally like their products, but if you have found something you like better that's fine and I'd be curious to hear from you about that, but to constantly damn Pass Labs? Don't you have something better to do with your time?To this day I still don't know what happened with all that. My take on it was someone was pissed off about billet aluminum faceplates and someone else wasn't, someone hated blue lights and someone else didn't.

I simply went out and bought some billet aluminum facades with blue lights for all my gear. That's all I got out of it.

[JeffW]

Why are you still battling a one man's war against Pass Labs? ...but to constantly damn Pass Labs?

I'm the one who bought them, others were the ones who damned them. I thought they were fine products, even though I never really commented about how they sounded. Just owning them seemed to set people off.

[4313B]

I'm the one who bought them, others were the ones who damned them. I thought they were fine products, even though I never really commented about how they sounded. Just owning them seemed to set people off.That's exactly why I won't tell people that all I own is a close and play.

Oh wait... :banghead:

[JeffW]

That's really all I'm trying to say - Great stuff, just don't mention owning it.

No more hijacks, buy what you like and enjoy yourself, can't get any simpler.

[SEAWOLF97]

That's exactly why I won't tell people that all I own is a close and play.

Oh wait... :banghead:

really ?
I always figured you as a Bose LifeStyle system kinda guy :dont-know:

[Mr. Widget]

really ?
I always figured you as a Bose LifeStyle system kinda guy :dont-know:Now Mr. Wolf... that is almost a ban-able offense! :D


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[4313B]

really ?
I always figured you as a Bose LifeStyle system kinda guy :dont-know:Yeah... like I can afford that! :o:

[macaroonie]

I think you'll find that Pass amps are not very well regarded on this site. I say buy what you like, but Pass gear is a damn hard sale around here.

On this site ??? I find that a curious generalisation not having noticed a Pass or Threshold slam fest going on.

My 2 cents is this , having dealt with Threshold in the past and met Nelson on a few occasions I have no reservations whatsoever in recommending his products. That refers to sound quality , reliability , build quality , backup , the whole nine yards.

M

[JeffW]

On this site ??? I find that a curious generalisation not having noticed a Pass or Threshold slam fest going on.

My 2 cents is this , having dealt with Threshold in the past and met Nelson on a few occasions I have no reservations whatsoever in recommending his products. That refers to sound quality , reliability , build quality , backup , the whole nine yards.

M

I had stated I didn't want to continue to hijack the thread in post #176. And at any rate, Threshold was never in question. It fits the price range and visual aesthetic that's acceptable on the site.

Perhaps you missed posts #174 & #176 where I stated I thought Pass gear was fine stuff. That's why I bought it. The problems arose when I mentioned I had bought it, and was roundly mocked for having bought it. I have the greatest respect for all the folks at Pass labs and their gear. I can't seem to muster the same respect for the posters on this site who were never able to see past the billet aluminum faceplates and blue LEDs. Neither of which has a whit to do with sound quality , reliability , build quality , backup , the whole nine yards. But that's what they decided was unworthy about the gear. I would have to say I didn't really appreciate their POV, but it was their POV so not much I can do there, to each his own.

Once again I'd prefer, greatly, to drop the entire hijack of this thread I started, if at all possible.

[4313B]

Once again I'd prefer, greatly, to drop the entire hijack of this thread I started, if at all possible.I think the whole 4365 thing has been :dead_horse: so I'm not sure if it is such a bad thing to diversify at this point. :rotfl:

[martin_wu99]

Yeah, I think so too. Haha, well I can hear up to 18Khz. I'm 41. Is that good?
Haha,you are not too old to enjoy hi-end system:D

[martin_wu99]

I think you'll find that Pass amps are not very well regarded on this site. I say buy what you like, but Pass gear is a damn hard sale around here.
I don't like Pass gear either,too soft,too warm,too big,too expensive:crying:

[martin_wu99]

... a generalization I've not seen warranted, nor one I personally subscribe to.
I've always thought it would be fun to own a pair of older SA/1 monoblocks.
Someone often talk talk about Threshold,but i havn't listened to it yet.
Krell and Goldmud is often used to match JBL,so more trying can find your favorites:D

[martin_wu99]

Some big machines for reference

[martin_wu99]

more,not for Ad.

[Dave_72]

I think you'll find that Pass amps are not very well regarded on this site. I say buy what you like, but Pass gear is a damn hard sale around here.

Really. I haven't seen that. :hmm:

[Dave_72]

I don't like Pass gear either,too soft,too warm,too big,too expensive:crying:

Well, you're entitled to your opinion on the sound. No problem there. :D

And that other stuff you posted (especially Boulder and FM Acoustics) is not expensive? Come on, man...:blink:

[Dave_72]

Haha,you are not too old to enjoy hi-end system:D

Of course not!

[Dave_72]

Yep.

BTW - I have thousands of hearing test results at my fingertips... all that means is that I get a good chuckle out of all that "air" being heard above twenty thousand cycles. :rolleyes:

Thanks! Yeah, that's a hot potato.

[martin_wu99]

Well, you're entitled to your opinion on the sound. No problem there. :DAnd that other stuff you posted (especially Boulder and FM Acoustics) is not expensive? Come on, man...:blink:Hi-fi and hi-end are by no means cheap,it's an expensive game:o:

[martin_wu99]

I have very interesting to try Threshold SA1:bouncy:

[martin_wu99]

And more....

[martin_wu99]

Chosing a machine to match JBL is a very tuff job:banghead:

[Dave_72]

Yes, I could go through dozens of different amps and still not find the right one! I don't have that kind of money to keep buying and selling!

[Dave_72]

Hi-fi and hi-end are by no means cheap,it's an expensive game:o:

Yes, I know. The S4700s were not cheap! I was referring to your comment on Pass Labs. That you said they were too expensive, and then you show more expensive brands!

[martin_wu99]

Yes, I could go through dozens of different amps and still not find the right one! I don't have that kind of money to keep buying and selling!
I don't want you buying and selling:(
Usually,we are very familiar with local audiofileshop boss and get his permition to bring machines back our home to have a try.:D
One of my friend tried Hegel,Gryphon,Pass,Bryton,Jadis,etc for his SP100 and 4344 for nearly two years,and finally bought a set of EC:D

[martin_wu99]

Yes, I know. The S4700s were not cheap! I was referring to your comment on Pass Labs. That you said they were too expensive, and then you show more expensive brands!
Cheaper is better.but taste is the most important thing(that why we are willing to spend so much money on)
If both expensive ,we must chose the one that we more prefer:D
Trying Threshold SA/1 maybe a good idea.
My goal is S4700 too,so your choise is a good reference for me,that's why i'm so interesting in.

[Dave_72]

I don't want you buying and selling:(
Usually,we are very familiar with local audiofileshop boss and get his permition to bring machines back our home to have a try.:D
One of my friend tried Hegel,Gryphon,Pass,Bryton,Jadis,etc for his SP100 and 4344 for nearly two years,and finally bought a set of EC:D

Ok, well unfortunately I don't have that luxury around here. Dealers here in the US are skeptical, and if they do let you borrow, they usually want you to buy it first.

[Dave_72]

Cheaper is better.but taste is the most important thing(that why we are willing to spend so much money on)
If both expensive ,we must chose the one that we more prefer:D
Trying Threshold SA/1 maybe a good idea.
My goal is S4700 too,so your choise is a good reference for me,that's why i'm so interesting in.

True. Yeah, I have no way of trying that. I would have to buy one used. Not interested in doing that, really. That's cool, with break in, it has developed into a good speaker.

[bubbleboy76]

with break in, it has developed into a good speaker.

How long time did it take?

[martin_wu99]

Ok, well unfortunately I don't have that luxury around here. Dealers here in the US are skeptical, and if they do let you borrow, they usually want you to buy it first.
What a pity:crying:
It's difficult to select gears only depon on other's suggestion:banghead:

[hjames]

What a pity:crying:
It's difficult to select gears only depend on other's suggestion:banghead:

You grab your media, go listen in the store, make your choice, and take it home.
Some shops will allow a return if it just doesn't play well - but - there could be a reason for the death of high end audio shops in the US,
other than the fact that most people have tin ears and view audio gear much like an appliance purchase ...
Another reason why a lot of us may stay in the used gear market ...

the US is so big and so spread out its hard for a pure audio shop to make a living.

[4313B]

Chosing a machine to match JBL is a very tuff job:banghead:Not at all, you simply use the amps JBL uses to voice their loudspeakers and you're good to go. Now think... what would Harman use...

[BMWCCA]

Now think... what would Harman use...
Harman brands:


Aha™ (http://www.harman.com/EN-US/Solutions/Harmanbrands/Pages/AhaMobile.aspx)




AKG® (http://www.harman.com/EN-US/Solutions/Harmanbrands/Pages/AKG.aspx)




Becker® (http://www.harman.com/EN-US/Solutions/Harmanbrands/Pages/BECKER.aspx)




BSS® (http://www.harman.com/EN-US/Solutions/Harmanbrands/Pages/BSS.aspx)




Crown® (http://www.harman.com/EN-US/Solutions/Harmanbrands/Pages/Crown.aspx)




dbx® (http://www.harman.com/EN-US/Solutions/Harmanbrands/Pages/dbx.aspx)




DigiTech® (http://www.harman.com/EN-US/Solutions/Harmanbrands/Pages/DigiTech.aspx)




Harman Kardon® (http://www.harman.com/EN-US/SOLUTIONS/HARMANBRANDS/Pages/HarmanKardon.aspx)




Infinity® (http://www.harman.com/EN-US/Solutions/Harmanbrands/Pages/Infinity.aspx)




JBL® - Lifestyle (http://www.harman.com/EN-US/Solutions/Harmanbrands/Pages/JBLLifestyle.aspx)




JBL® - Professional (http://www.harman.com/EN-US/Solutions/Harmanbrands/Pages/JBLProfessional.aspx)




JBL Synthesis® (http://www.harman.com/EN-US/Solutions/Harmanbrands/Pages/JBLSynthesis.aspx)




Lexicon® - Lifestyle (http://www.harman.com/EN-US/Solutions/Harmanbrands/Pages/LexiconLifestyle.aspx)




Lexicon® - Professional (http://www.harman.com/EN-US/Solutions/Harmanbrands/Pages/Lexiconprofessional.aspx)




Mark Levinson® (http://www.harman.com/EN-US/Solutions/Harmanbrands/Pages/MarkLevinson.aspx)




Martin® (http://www.harman.com/EN-US/Solutions/Harmanbrands/Pages/Martin.aspx)




Revel® (http://www.harman.com/EN-US/Solutions/Harmanbrands/Pages/Revel.aspx)




Selenium® (http://www.harman.com/EN-US/Solutions/Harmanbrands/Pages/Selenium.aspx)




Soundcraft® (http://www.harman.com/EN-US/Solutions/Harmanbrands/Pages/Soundcraft.aspx)




Studer® (http://www.harman.com/EN-US/Solutions/Harmanbrands/Pages/Studer.aspx)



Though their logos at the bottom of their web pages show only these:

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[4313B]

Thank you BMWCCA. That was really nice.

Hopefully that will head off alot of amp angst for some people.

[BMWCCA]

Or cause more!

I'm just a Luddite who has used Crown with JBLs for over four decades. Well before Crown was adopted into the Harman Family. I'm guessing when they're free, the choice would be Levinson. But then I've read professionals who decree that all electronics sound the same! :dont-know:

[Dave_72]

How long time did it take?

At least 2 months. They get better every day.

[Dave_72]

Not at all, you simply use the amps JBL uses to voice their loudspeakers and you're good to go. Now think... what would Harman use...

I'd say Mark Levinson? That's what they demo with at the shows.

[grumpy]

They used to compare speakers in the JBL speaker-swapper room with old Proceed amps (A/V brand of Madrigal, which was also ML).
I imagine they've got newer, if not better units in there now.

[Dave_72]

They used to compare speakers in the JBL speaker-swapper room with old Proceed amps (A/V brand of Madrigal, which was also ML).
I imagine they've got newer, if not better units in there now.

Ok cool, thanks for the info. :coolness:

[martin_wu99]

You grab your media, go listen in the store, make your choice, and take it home.
Some shops will allow a return if it just doesn't play well - but - there could be a reason for the death of high end audio shops in the US,
other than the fact that most people have tin ears and view audio gear much like an appliance purchase ...
Another reason why a lot of us may stay in the used gear market ...

the US is so big and so spread out its hard for a pure audio shop to make a living.
I have to agree with you totally.
Hi Fi and Hi end audio market is also very very small in China,so the gears dealers have to compromise so as to make their livings:blink:

[martin_wu99]

Not at all, you simply use the amps JBL uses to voice their loudspeakers and you're good to go. Now think... what would Harman use...
Oh no,it's too limited.we need the variety of gears combination:D

[martin_wu99]

I'd say Mark Levinson? That's what they demo with at the shows.
In China,they offten demo JBL with Mcintosh, it all depons on the dealer who agent which brand:D

[martin_wu99]

They used to compare speakers in the JBL speaker-swapper room with old Proceed amps (A/V brand of Madrigal, which was also ML).I imagine they've got newer, if not better units in there now.We offten say Proceed is secondary brand of Mark,it is lower than Mark.
250W@8oh/500w@4oh .HPA2 is similiar to Mark 335

[Mr. Widget]

They used to compare speakers in the JBL speaker-swapper room with old Proceed amps (A/V brand of Madrigal, which was also ML).
I imagine they've got newer, if not better units in there now.I bet they are still using the old Proceeds... if it ain't broke...


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[martin_wu99]

At least 2 months. They get better every day.
Usually brand new spearkers need several hundred hours to run in.
Tell you a story,my friend runs in his new speakers all day long and blow his tweet:o:

[SEAWOLF97]

if it ain't broke...


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that's half of the quotation that we used at Intel.

"if it ain't broke...fix it, 'till it is"

[4313B]

that's half of the quotation that we used at Intel.

"if it ain't broke...fix it, 'till it is"Outstanding!

[JuniorJBL]

I bet they are still using the old Proceeds... if it ain't broke...


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I use 2 of those for subs and they work great! ;)

[Lee in Montreal]

This part of the thread reminds another thread we had a few months. It was about judging the quality of an amp by the bluntness of the faceplate. Big heavy faceplate? Must be high end... ;-)

[fpitas]

This part of the thread reminds another thread we had a few months. It was about judging the quality of an amp by the bluntness of the faceplate. Big heavy faceplate? Must be high end... ;-)

Without blue LEDS? No way ;)

[grumpy]

Oh jeez. Not again... Pleeeeease.

[fpitas]

Oh jeez. Not again... Pleeeeease.

Sorry. I own one of the old, scratchy-sounding monstrosities being made fun of. I only keep it because Mr. Pass would be hurt if I sold it.*

*Not intended to be factual. YMMV.

[hjames]

Without blue LEDS? No way ;)

Who da funk cares?
Billet block harley or Pass clones -
Buy what you like, play it just the same!

[ivica]

We offten say Proceed is secondary brand of Mark,it is lower than Mark.
250W@8oh/500w@4oh .HPA2 is similiar to Mark 335

Hi,

May be I have missed something, but is there ANY correlation to this Thread topics..... JBL 4365 speakers ????

Regards
Ivica

[martin_wu99]

Hi,

May be I have missed something, but is there ANY correlation to this Thread topics..... JBL 4365 speakers ????

Regards
Ivica
Oh,so sorry for that.:o:
We are discuessing about which gear is most suitable for S4700.
From 4365 to 4700,and then how to match it,seems we are far away from topic:dont-know:

[Goophy]

To get somwhat back on topic.

I've had my 4365s for about 8 months now and tried them with a couple of different amplifiers.
Accuphase A-60, Parasound JC-1 and Pass Labs XA100 have been testet.

But they all got replaced by my current 25W FirstWatt J2.
It just sounds better in my ears.

The J2 plays more than loud enough for me. I don't need to bleed from my ears.

[fpitas]

I use a J2 for my horns. It is a great sounding amp.


To get somwhat back on topic.

I've had my 4365s for about 8 months now and tried them with a couple of different amplifiers.
Accuphase A-60, Parasound JC-1 and Pass Labs XA100 have been testet.

But they all got replaced by my current 25W FirstWatt J2.
It just sounds better in my ears.

The J2 plays more than loud enough for me. I don't need to bleed from my ears.

[martin_wu99]

To get somwhat back on topic.I've had my 4365s for about 8 months now and tried them with a couple of different amplifiers.Accuphase A-60, Parasound JC-1 and Pass Labs XA100 have been testet.But they all got replaced by my current 25W FirstWatt J2.It just sounds better in my ears.The J2 plays more than loud enough for me. I don't need to bleed from my ears.Great,i'v listened a set of ML to push 4365,not so good,4365 is too hard to push.so I deside to turn to S4700:DFirstWatt is new brand amp,i havn't had the chance to listen to,pls talk more about it:applaud:

[fpitas]

Great,i'v listened a set of ML to push 4365,not so good,4365 is too hard to push.so I deside to turn to S4700:D
FirstWatt is new brand amp,i havn't have the chance to listen,pls talk more about it:applaud:

http://www.firstwatt.com/j2.html

http://www.ultraaudio.com/index.php/equipment-menu/300-first-watt-j2-stereo-amplifier

It's Nelson Pass's "kitchen table" business. The J2 is very clean sounding, tons of detail, with a tiny hint of warmth. I can't imagine a better amp to drive horns.

And I'll add, it has no turn-on thump, even connected directly to horn drivers.

[martin_wu99]

http://www.firstwatt.com/j2.html

http://www.ultraaudio.com/index.php/equipment-menu/300-first-watt-j2-stereo-amplifier

It's Nelson Pass's "kitchen table" business. The J2 is very clean sounding, tons of detail, with a tiny hint of warmth. I can't imagine a better amp to drive horns.
Nelson Pass,Simple is Best,from Threshold（at that time,Bladelius is his assistant) to PASS LAB.

[4313B]

4365 is too hard to pushPut them on dollies and they push just fine... :rolleyes:

The only problem with the 4365 is the M2.

[martin_wu99]

Put them on dollies and they push just fine... :rolleyes:

The only problem with the 4365 is the M2.
Do you refer to this dollies?
M2 will kill 4365?:dont-know:

[macaroonie]

Put them on dollies and they push just fine... :rolleyes:

The only problem with the 4365 is the M2.

Ah yes , the mythical M2. Any sightings yet ? This could become like the Loch Ness Monster. :crying:

[Odd]

Ah yes , the mythical M2. Any sightings yet ? This could become like the Loch Ness Monster. :crying:


M2 is listed in Norway with a price tag.
Link. (http://www.lydrommet.no/produkter/hoyttalere/studiomonitorer/jbl-m2-studiomonitor-15-d2-driver/)

[martin_wu99]

Anyone here who has tried these pro amp?

[fpitas]

Anyone here who has tried these pro amp?


FWIW, the schematic is very similar to a John Curl design like the A21 or JC-1:


http://www.accuphase.com/cat/pro-5en.pdf


Note the fully-balanced, cascoded FET input stage, the MOSFET drivers, and bipolar outputs. The DC output offset is servoed. Doesn't mean it has to sound good, but it's an excellent start.

[martin_wu99]

FWIW, the schematic is very similar to a John Curl design like the A21 or JC-1:


http://www.accuphase.com/cat/pro-5en.pdf


Note the fully-balanced, cascoded FET input stage, the MOSFET drivers, and bipolar outputs. The DC output offset is servoed. Doesn't mean it has to sound good, but it's an excellent start.
Thank you,They are cheap indeed.
How do you think if they compare with Crown K2 and Studio Reference II(I)?

[fpitas]

Thank you,They are cheap indeed.
How do you think if they compare with Crown K2 and Studio Reference 1(2)?

I haven't seen the schematics of those, so I can't say. And of course, the schematic is just one part of a lot of details that go into making a quality amplifier (or any electronics).

[martin_wu99]

M2 is listed in Norway with a price tag.
Link. (http://www.lydrommet.no/produkter/hoyttalere/studiomonitorer/jbl-m2-studiomonitor-15-d2-driver/)
FYI

[hjames]

why does JBL 4365 only rank 10th in Japanese eyes? (http://www.audioheritage.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?33024-why-does-JBL-4365-only-rank-10th-in-Japanese-eyes)

After all these pages of yammering on, no one has actually answered the original Question!!

But frankly, that Q is flat silly - JBL isn't made to rank in EYES, it is made to rank in EARS ...
Japanese people should know this!

[martin_wu99]

I haven't seen the schematics of those, so I can't say. And of course, the schematic is just one part of a lot of details that go into making a quality amplifier (or any electronics).
More info

[martin_wu99]

why does JBL 4365 only rank 10th in Japanese eyes? (http://www.audioheritage.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?33024-why-does-JBL-4365-only-rank-10th-in-Japanese-eyes)

After all these pages of yammering on, no one has actually answered the original Question!!

But frankly, that Q is flat silly - JBL isn't made to rank in EYES, it is made to rank in EARS ...
Japanese people should know this!
Let myself answer my silly Q,considering the price of 4365,even rank 10th is not a shame to JBL:D
But according to G.T's original saying,with JBL top drivers,4365's is only worth its price.that is say,even 4365 is made to rank in EARS,it is just so so.
Cheaper S4700 is more musical and lively than 4365;)

[4313B]

why does JBL 4365 only rank 10th in Japanese eyes? (http://www.audioheritage.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?33024-why-does-JBL-4365-only-rank-10th-in-Japanese-eyes)

After all these pages of yammering on, no one has actually answered the original Question!!

But frankly, that Q is flat sillyWhy yes; Yes it is!

[4313B]

Let myself answer my silly Q,considering the price of 4365,even rank 10th is not a shame to JBL:D
But according to G.T's original saying,with JBL top drivers,4365's is only worth its price.S4700 is more musical and lively than 4365;)Yeah, but he was responding to me personally. He knows what I like. Plenty of people like the 4365 just fine.

[bubbleboy76]

Cheaper S4700 is more musical and lively than 4365;)

S4700 has a much higher price than 4365, at least where I live.

But I guess you meant the components inside.

[bubbleboy76]

The 4338 style box, sans 045 bezel, remains my personal favorite footprint.

I.e the 4365 box ;)

[4313B]

S4700 has a much higher price than 4365, at least where I live.Yikes.

How much is the M2 compared to either?