Jbl 2236h?

[hlaari]

have someone heard about JBL 2236H

I see at there are few 2236H drivers for sale on ebay I have never seen this driver before
The driver look like 2227 with 2226 cone kit, but it look like there is aquaplas coating
on the rear of the cone

[BMWCCA]

One auction (http://ebayitem.com/300673538456) says this:

The JBL 2236H was a product of JBL's Custom Shop, and was built in very limited quantities in order to compete in the professional studio world against Pioneer's TAD Division.
The 2236H was so limited JBL did not produce a specific badge for this model, as attached photos will show. They were usually hand written (like this one) or left with the factory 2242H badge still in place from the driver assembly.The 2236H is essentially an 18" 2242H driver assembly/magnet on a 15" 2226H frame, basket, and cone assembly.The unpacked weight is 28 pounds!This is an amazing woofer, and very hard to come by.

:dont-know:

[1audiohack]

ME150. I'm sure enough to bet $900.00 on it.

Before anyone thinks to beat on me for stealing them, I saw the auction before the question was posted here. With my Sunday duties I didn't have time to buy them right away and figured if they were still available when I could get to them it was meant to be.

[baldrick]

ME150. I'm sure enough to bet $900.00 on it.


The frame is probably 2227/me150 but the cone is definately not 2227h and I don't think is ME150h either... I think ME150 have foam surrounds!?

It looks similar to 2226h but I didn't think it would fit into the 2227/me150 frame?

[1audiohack]

Are you able to see a front view of it? The only picture that shows up for me is the one 3/4 rear shot.

[baldrick]

Picture from E-bay:

54981

[1audiohack]

Those pictures would not come up on my iPhone. Well it will be interesting to see what they are and how they behave.

The C-R2226 kit for sure is not a drop in for a 2227/ME150 basket so I don't know for sure what this is.

[Jan Daugaard]

I just took a picture of the ME150H woofer in one of my S3100:

[Eaulive]

Those pictures would not come up on my iPhone. Well it will be interesting to see what they are and how they behave.

The C-R2226 kit for sure is not a drop in for a 2227/ME150 basket so I don't know for sure what this is.

Ad says it's a 2226 cone and basket but with the magnet structure from the 2242 :dont-know:

[herve M]

The seller does not seem honest.He invented the model 2236H.


"The 2236H was so limited JBL did not produce a specific badge for this model, as attached photos will show. They were usually hand written or left with the factory 2242H badge still in place (like this one) from the driver assembly.

The 2236H is essentially an 18" 2242H driver assembly/magnet on a 15" 2226H frame, basket, and cone assembly."
:shocking:incredible:banghead:

[Lee in Montreal]

Wasn't there a guy offering a mix of cone and basket a year ago, claiming the combination would sustain 1000 watts? :eek: Seems it was discussed here, as well as perhaps on AudioKarma forum... Is that the same driver?

Edit - Got it - 2226 basket and 2235 cone.

http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?t=328589

Lee

[1audiohack]

It won't take long to figure it out, they should be here in a couple of days. They are definitely not 2226 baskets and the 2227/ME150 and 2242 do share the same motor assembly. Maybe he did make up the number but as much stuff seems to have come out the side and back door of the factory, I will entertain the possibility that they may be what is claimed.

If they are hack jobs I will make them ME150's if and when kits are available. Worst case scenario they become 2227's. It won't be the end of the world for me.

[maxwedge]

The end of the world is in December so keep on truckin dude. :D
Looked like a scam to me too but who knows, wish you luck.:dont-know:

[1audiohack]

I just took a picture of the ME150H woofer in one of my S3100:

Hi Jan;

I don't have any ME150's so may I ask a favor? Would you be so kind as to measure the distance from the front edge of the basket of one of your ME150's to the dust cap glue line? Nothing to precision, I just used a straight edge across the front and a rule perpendicular to it at the glue line. Also is the cone curved or straight?

A 2227 is about 2.5" deep and has a straight sided cone.

I will measure a 2226 in the morning.

Thank you!
Barry.

[Jan Daugaard]

>> the distance from the front edge of the basket
>> of one of your ME150H's to the dust cap glue line
That distance is 65 mm or 2 9/16 inches.

>> is the cone curved or straight?
The cone is straight.

[1audiohack]

Thank you kindly!

Barry.

[martin_wu99]

2236H？？？:confused::banghead:

[bigyank]

Wasn't there a guy offering a mix of cone and basket a year ago, claiming the combination would sustain 1000 watts? :eek: Seems it was discussed here, as well as perhaps on AudioKarma forum... Is that the same driver?

Edit - Got it - 2226 basket and 2235 cone.

http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?t=328589

Lee

Lee, I have a pair of these woofers being built by GordonW as we speak. Will be shipped back to me within a day or two. Once I get them I will be testing them with WT2 with another forum member here duanage. Stay tuned.

[grumpy]

For continuity later, you might want to be specific re "2236h"...

Custom GordonW driver:
2235H-type cone/surround (presumably aftermarket) with custom
selected coil/former and spider in 2226 basket.

Unknown JBL-sourced (?) semi-custom (non-production) driver:
2226-appearing cone in a (?) basket with a 2242 magnet assembly
and unknown coil/former (the original post in this thread)

at least that's what I think I'm reading...

[bigyank]

Understood Grumpy. I was replying to Lee's post with the AK link specifically so my bad.


For continuity later, you might want to be specific re "2236h"...

Custom GordonW driver:
2235H-type cone/surround (presumably aftermarket) with custom
selected coil/former and spider in 2226 basket.

Unknown JBL-sourced (?) semi-custom (non-production) driver:
2226-appearing cone in a (?) basket with a 2242 magnet assembly
and unknown coil/former (the original post in this thread)

at least that's what I think I'm reading...

[1audiohack]

Well I don't know what these are for sure. The cone from the front looks just like a 2226, it is aquaplaused on the rear and writing on the cone in silver marker dates them year 2000.

A quickie LMS fourwire test says:

Fs 41
Mms 128.6 (calculated)
Vas 129.8
Qms 3.9
Qes 0.35
Qts 0.32
Bl 22.8
No 2.47
Splo 95.9

It's very difficult to see clearly but it appears the top of the voice coil may be flush to the top plate. I will see if our laser positon sensor can tell me if the coil is centered in the gap or not and run some powered distortion measurements and get them in something and see what they sound like.

Any ideas?

[FE3T]

For continuity later, you might want to be specific re "2236h"...

Custom GordonW driver:
2235H-type cone/surround (presumably aftermarket) with custom
selected coil/former and spider in 2226 basket.

I buildt a couple of these by inspiration of Gordon.

2226 baskets and motors, aftermarket cones and spiders for 2235, and voice coil
from a third driver.
Ask Gordon if you want to know wich, i am not sweared to silence
but as he is the source of the receipt, he should be allowed to decide if it should be common knowledge or
a personal trade secret.

I am very happy with how these home made "2236" turned out and do currently run them as subwoofers in 5,6cuft tuned to 32hz

A pair of 2243 baskets from UK will also soon appear at my local post office wich i plan to rebuild
with aftermarket 2245 parts and the earlier mentioned voicecoil.
Should be a fun project :bouncy:

[Lee in Montreal]

Ask Gordon if you want to know wich, i am not sweared to silence
but as he is the source of the receipt, he should be allowed to decide if it should be common knowledge or
a personal trade secret.


Ad says it's a 2226 cone and basket but with the magnet structure from the 2242 :dont-know:

Gordon already decided it would be common knowledge. According to his eBay ads, coils is 2242, which makes sense as it has a long stroke. Nonetheless, I highly doubt he purchased original 2235 and 2242 recone kits to cut them apart. Therefore, what ones get in a 2236 is an original JBL basket and made-in-Taiwan repro recone kits. But hey, let's not panic, JBL has them done in Mexico. ;)

[4313B]

JBL did make a batch of "2236H's". I have an email somewhere from its designer.

*****

Looking up at post #2 it is explained. So just buy some 2242H's and 2226H's and swap magnets.

*****

It looks like there is a pair up on eBay right now.

The JBL Model 2236H was a product of JBL's Custom Shop, these were built in very limited quantities in order to compete in the professional studio world against Pioneer's TAD Division.

The 2236H was produced in such limited quantities that JBL did not produce a specific badge for this speaker, as attached photos will show. They were usually hand written or left with the factory 2241H or 2242H badge from the original magnet still in place (like this one)

[FE3T]

Gordon already decided it would be common knowledge. According to his eBay ads, coils is 2242, which makes sense as it has a long stroke. Nonetheless, I highly doubt he purchased original 2235 and 2242 recone kits to cut them apart. Therefore, what ones get in a 2236 is an original JBL basket and made-in-Taiwan repro recone kits. But hey, let's not panic, JBL has them done in Mexico. ;)

Sorry, but Gordon and i used a flatwire copper coil, NOT the aluminium wire one used in the 2242, and atleast those i used, the wound area was also sligthly longer than the 2242`s 25mm

Besides that his "2236" did not use the 2227 baskets and motors, and not the 2226 cone and surround either, and finaly, the ebay ad seems to show that the seller doesent know the differense betwin the 2241 and 2242 motors, so i belive thats an indication that these ads or drivers are not Gordons handywork.

Building the drivers i buildt makes a aftermarket parts a nessicity, since a Oem JBL 2235 kit does NOT fit well in a 2226 basket, and as you mention ripping apart a C8R2235 cone kit to reposition the parts and refit a different coil, would be to expensive and add a serious risk of failure ;)


So rest assured, No OEM kits are sacrifised :)

[hlaari]

I am 100% sure at at this driver use the same basket like 2227h and ME150h
the magnet is same like 2227h, ME150h, 2242h and 2243h

I am not sure about the cone, but it dues not look like original 2226 cone kit