The workingman's K2-S9800??

[Tweak48]

At least in industrial design, perhaps..................

Cerwin Vega
CLSC-215 Dual 15” 3-Way Tower

Frequency Response: 24 Hz - 20 kHz
Peak Power: 500 watts
Sensitivity (1w/1m): 97 dB
6.5" Midrange with Fiber Impregnated Cone
1" Soft Dome Tweeter with Ferro Fluid
Dual 15" Cast Frame High Excursion Woofers
Proprietary Mid and High Frequency Waveguide
Fuse Protection
Black-Ash or Rich Cherry (CLSC-215-CH) Enclosure
Dimensions (HxWxD): 51.5 " x 16.5" x 19"
Weight: 111 lbs.

Mail order $700 delivered! If CV can do this, why can't JBL do a nice three way with compression mid and tweet for, say 5-6 times the price??? http://www.cerwinvega.com/products/homeaudiovideo/Classic/clickinimages/clsc215.jpg

[speakerdave]

Well, it LOOKS like shit. It looks like the rankest offhand imitation of somebody else's idea. And of course selling them by mail order they don't have to take any chances of anybody hearing them first.

This thread is in the wrong forum! Please!

[Don C]

What country do they make those in? I dont see made in USA anywhere on their web site.

[Figge]

Originally posted by Tweak48
why can't JBL do a nice three way with compression mid and tweet for, say 5-6 times the price???

well u have the lsr32:s. no compression though, but ive heard some nice things about them.

[paragon]

No,

NO, NO !!!
Seems and looks like....., NO !
Doen´t compare this with JBL.
I doen`t know much about CV,
but they always looked to me cheap, no quality.
Looks like a toy with this red surrounds.

[Tweak48]

Of course they are not the equal of the vintage (and some new) JBL models we all own and love.

The purpose of my post (aside from pointing out the apparent industrial design influence of the K2-S9800) is that if CV can produce a reasonably high quality (more about that below) speaker of this stature for $1000 retail, surely JBL could do something nice for say, $4-5 thousand. This is one reason why the used market for JBL large monitors is so strong; people are dropping $2-5k for 30 year old speakers because JBL is not presently offering anything in that range.

As for CV, don't be too quick to dismiss them. They are probably the best made inexpensive speakers on the market. I retailed JBL during the 70's while in college, and later was a manfacturers rep for JBL; many of my dealers sold CV as a lower end alternative to the L-16, 26, 36, and 100 class of speakers. Dealers loved them because they sounded very good (not quite as good as JBL, but very close), sold at a lower price point, and were VERY rugged. I don't think I ever saw a set come back with a fried tweeter. We were frequently replacing LE20 series tweeters for rockers that went over the limit.

Where else can you buy a system with two cast basket 15" woofs, real crossovers (voiced for a "west coast" sound I admit), in a 100 pound cabinet for a grand a pair??

[johnaec]

It's kinda like saying why get a Lexus when you can get a Toyota for 1/3 the price? It's just a car, right?

JBL builds a bunch of low cost sound reinforcement speakers - they're just a different class than their high-end stuff.

If all you want are some big speakers, get the CV or cheap JBL sound reinforcement speakers - they do make them...

As far as JBL making big studio monitors - I think they probably stopped because the LSR series is so good, and who needs 120db in the control room? Or say you build a version of the 4343 with current components - I'm willing to bet that even with fine tuning the LSR will probably still sound better in the studio.

As far as home use - maybe there'd be a market for a $4K big speaker - I don't know... JBL is pretty close with their Performance series, (PT800 with PS1400), and I'm willing to bet the technology used in those likey outperforms anything remotely similar to the CV.

John

[Tweak48]

No doubt they (JBL) do. That is what you get for the extra $3K.

And the extra bucks for JBL is worth it to me. That is why I run L-300s and 4425s at home, among others (Altec and Tannoy).

But I respect good value at ALL price points; CV is among the best in quality construction at the point they operate in. People that say CV is junk are misinformed.

Even though it's not a Lexus as you point out, most people would agree that Toyota makes a pretty decent car for the money.

[Guido]

Cervin Viagra ? :scold:

:barf:

[GordonW]

Tell you what... one data point:

Having reconed JBL 2240/2241s and CV 188/189 18" subwoofers, I can tell you... the Vega cone assemblies are MUCH more rugged, can handle FAR more extreme output levels without breaking up or failing... and have MORE excursion capacity before running out of X-max, BY FAR.

If I was looking for a good 18" woofer to build an a**-kicking PA sub out of (especially a horn-loaded or bandpass sub), I wouldn't hesitate to take a CV 189 over a 2241. Possibly over a 2242. Even the 2242 doesn't have the 12mm one-way X-max that the 189 does, and I KNOW that unless I do something boneheaded and just plain burn up the voice coil, the cone on the 189 will NEVER fail from normal use. I've seen PLENTY of 2240s and 2241s that had to be reconed, because the cone failed at one of the ribs (tore loose in a ring all the way around the cone, along one of the rib rings)... I've NEVER seen a Vega 188 or 189 fail that way.

If you get a chance at a local reconing shop, get 'em to show you the voice coil/cone assembly that goes into a Vega 188 or 189 18" sub. Especially the later model ones. Pay particular attention to the efforts taken to MASSIVELY bond the voice coil former to the cone, so that there's NO CHANCE of a joint failure causing a problem. You really need to see one, to understand just how over-built they are!

No, the Vega won't have quite the low-distortion characteristic of the 2241 or 2242... but for sheer unadulterated effectiveness of output... it's hard for me to pass a 188 or 189 by.

Now, I guess my point is: Yes, CV has certainly made some stuff that could quite reasonably be considered "cheap junk". But a LOT of their stuff is just plain bullet-proof like the 188/189 subs. And there's a BIG place in the marketplace, for stuff like that, ESPECIALLY at the "relative bargain price" the CV stuff sells for...

Regards,
Gordon.

[4313B]

Ick! :barf:

[Maron Horonzakz]

ARRRRRRRRRRG,,, I guess both companys (JBL & CV) can put out cheap stuff to pay the overhead. We,l have to take a closer look at what CV is making.

[4313B]

Originally posted by Maron Horonzakz
l have to take a closer look at what CV is making. I'm glad I don't have to! :p CV has never had the sound I'm looking for...
Ick! Eew! I think I'm gonna spew!

This forum has sunk to a new low... :(
I guess it had to happen sometime... :(

[Figge]

Originally posted by Giskard
This forum has sunk to a new low... :(

:p

[Maron Horonzakz]

I can go lower.........BOZE. Or higher TAD