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still4given
08-31-2004, 06:05 AM
I've got a chance to pick up a 2205H for a good price. I'm just wondering it what was designed for. I have a fairly wide use base with doing live work as well as studio. I'm just wondering if these are still viable speakers or should I maybe be looking at something more current.

Any help will be appreciated.

Thanks, Terry

4313B
08-31-2004, 06:11 AM
Look for the 2205 in our Library.

http://lansingheritage.org/html/jbl/specs/pro-comp/pro-comp.htm

Here's the 2205H:

http://www.jblpro.com/pub/obsolete/2205hj.pdf

The 2225H replaced it.

still4given
08-31-2004, 08:23 AM
Thanks Giskard,

So then is it mainly a pro audio speaker as opposed to a Hi Fi speaker?


Will they work as a subwoofer?

Thanks, Terry

4313B
08-31-2004, 08:58 AM
Yes.

No. I think you can recone it as a 2235H. I posted that information somewhere at some point. I'm suffering model number overload. Now I finally understand why, when I ask certain guys at JBL about this and that, they say "what is that from again?" when they were the very same guys who originally designed the stuff! :p

4313B
08-31-2004, 09:00 AM
Here we go:

http://audioheritage.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&threadid=117&highlight=2205

http://audioheritage.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&postid=5931&highlight=2205#post5931

still4given
08-31-2004, 09:04 AM
I know what you mean. It is staggering how many different models JBL has made over the years.

Actually, I wasn't planning on reconing the 2205H. I hope it is in good shape. I was wondering if it could serve as a SUB, as is, in the right enclosure.

That's why I'm asking what it's original intended purpose was. Was it used for sound reinforcement, Bass guitar, Hi-fi, or what?
I have used the search engine, but everytime someone starts talking about the 2205 it seems to get side tracked into a discussion about another driver. :(

Thanks, Terry

Robh3606
08-31-2004, 09:11 AM
Hello Terry

It won't serve as a sub. Better off paying the $119 and getting it reconned to a 2235. Then you have a sub driver.

Rob:)

still4given
08-31-2004, 09:19 AM
Where can I get it reconed for $119. For that price, I just might do that.

Thanks, Terry

Robh3606
08-31-2004, 09:24 AM
That was the cost when I had a pair of 2225 frames reconned in April this year. Used a shop in Ohio called Music Man Sound. That should be about the standard price as the cone kit and labor should be about the same at the authorized JBL reconners.

Rob:)


http://www.speakerrepair.com/ocsrepairprice.html

still4given
08-31-2004, 10:43 AM
OK, I called Orange County Speaker and they told me $136 + tax for the 2235 recone and $152+tax for the 2205H. Funny, the 2205H costs more.:confused:

Anyway, this thread has done the same thing as the others I found in the search engine. :D I asked what purpose the 2205H was designed for and we've gotten side-tracked talking about other speakers.

So let me ask again.

1) What purpose/s was the 2205H designed for?
2) What types of cabinets were they sold/used in?

Thanks, Terry

4313B
08-31-2004, 12:20 PM
The PDF files I posted the links to should give you an idea what the 2205 was designed for. Additionally you can look at these:

http://lansingheritage.org/html/jbl/catalogs/1980-pro.htm

http://www.jblpro.com/pub/manuals/enclgde.pdf

http://www.jblproservice.com/navigation/Systems%20Ref%20Charts.html

The 2225 replaced the 2205:

http://www.jblpro.com/pub/obsolete/2225hj.pdf

still4given
08-31-2004, 01:47 PM
Maybe I'm just dense. All I really want to know is what a 2205H is best used for. I can't seem to get that info from all those PDF files. The description given in the PDF files reads almost exactly like half of the other 15" woofers that JBL made. I know that each model has something that they do best or at least better than some other application.

I'd love to hear from someone who has or still uses them and what they use them for.

Thanks, Terry

Robh3606
08-31-2004, 02:10 PM
Translation is a good all around 15" general purpose professional bass driver that can be used in a variety of enclosures be it bass reflex or horns. That's about it.


http://www.lansingheritage.org/html/jbl/specs/pro-comp/2205.htm


Rob:)

Maron Horonzakz
09-01-2004, 07:45 AM
The 2205 cone came in three versions..... The first came with a cone with 4 fine corrigations in the outer surround, with a cone resonence of 25Hz ( witch I have installed in a Klipschorn)......Than another unit with a double roll surround with a cone resonce of 30Hz.......The third 2205 with a double roll surround & a nominal free air resonence of 32Hz......Now JBL soggests using a 2225 cone kit with a free air resonence of 40Hz... SO witch one do you have. They can be used in infinite baffle , ported enclosure, or as a horn driver. So tha JBL lit says. The woofer started out with alnico magnets & later units with ferrite.

still4given
09-01-2004, 11:57 AM
Mine has two rolls in the surround and a ferrite magnet, so I guess it's the latter. The guy has some more so I might pick up at least one more. Good thing about the cloth surrounds, they last.

Thank, Terry

slxrti
09-01-2004, 01:03 PM
The 2205 may not have response below 40hz, but it does produce quality bass. Bass without the boom and overhang on every note.

How do I know? because I owned a pair (rolled edge). Shouldn't have sold them.

slxrti

4313B
09-01-2004, 01:13 PM
Originally posted by still4given
The guy has some more so I might pick up at least one more.How many? What kind of shape? How much is he asking? I need some good cores.

still4given
09-02-2004, 07:50 AM
Originally posted by Giskard
How many? What kind of shape? How much is he asking? I need some good cores.

I'll ask him. What kind of cores are you interested in? AlNiCo, Ferrite? He had a few JBLs sitting there. Two D130s for sure and at least two more 2205's. One had some repair work on the surround. He may discount that one. He said he had more speakers at home. (This was at a mini storage)

Funny, everyone on ebay seems to buying these full cabinets, yanking out the drivers to sell and then throwing away the boxes because they are too much hassle to ship.

We all buy the drivers and turn around and build new cabinets. What a weird circle. :D

Blessings, Terry

paragon
09-02-2004, 09:02 AM
Hello Terry,

The 2205 is a professional PA driver but also works good
at home.
I bought four of this in 1980 and they are still working
without any damage.
I´ve had a pair in an 225 Liter reflex enclosure and they
are going down to 40 Hz (-6 dB).
You can use them as subwoofers also.
A pair is working in a double bandpass sub (each has his own enclosure) in the living room, going down under 30 Hz
to sub my L90.
The others are still in my 4530 rear loading horn.

Regards
Eckhard

still4given
09-02-2004, 01:22 PM
Thanks Eckhard!

I'm going to keep my eyes open for these. Seems they go for less money than some of the others and with the fabric surounds they don't suffer the same fate as the foam surround 2235.

Blessings, Terry

Mr. Widget
09-02-2004, 03:11 PM
Originally posted by still4given
Thanks Eckhard!

I'm going to keep my eyes open for these. Seems they go for less money than some of the others and with the fabric surounds they don't suffer the same fate as the foam surround 2235.

Blessings, Terry

It's true the cloth surround of the 2205 won't rot, but the spider still wears out (changes with time) and replacing a $5-$10 surround every ten to fifteen years seems a small price to pay to get a sub that will perform as well below 40 hz as it does at higher frequencies. You can get a 2205 to go below 40 Hz but it takes a box so big you could use an 18" driver and have even better performance.

If your main goal is economy, I guess I can't argue, and if you had the 2205s that is one thing, but unless he is selling them for $50 each, I bet you can do better looking elsewhere.

The 2205 and 2225 are great midbass speakers, but really aren't generally suited to subwoofer duty.

Widget

Alex Lancaster
09-02-2004, 08:22 PM
Terry:

I installed a bunch of 2205H´s and E140´s, if it makes it easier, think of them as "disco" speakers, no deep bass, but a lot of "kick".

It appears that You are a minister, glad to have You around, now, We only need about 10 shrinks.

Alex.

Maron Horonzakz
09-03-2004, 06:47 AM
The early 2205 with the 4 pleated rolls worke very well in the Klipschorn (25 free air resonence) They have better definitionin the 200 Hz to 500Hz area And with out loosing anything below 35 Hz. The Khorn tweekers pay alot more for this rare woofer. Up to $ 250 each. Why JBL dropped this early cone replacement boggles my mind. The only thing that comes close is the TAD 1601A At about $ 800 each. I dont understand why TAD is charging that mutch for a JBL copy. The alnico doesnt run the cost up that high.

still4given
09-03-2004, 02:27 PM
Originally posted by Mr. Widget
It's true the cloth surround of the 2205 won't rot, but the spider still wears out (changes with time) and replacing a $5-$10 surround every ten to fifteen years seems a small price to pay to get a sub that will perform as well below 40 hz as it does at higher frequencies. You can get a 2205 to go below 40 Hz but it takes a box so big you could use an 18" driver and have even better performance.

If your main goal is economy, I guess I can't argue, and if you had the 2205s that is one thing, but unless he is selling them for $50 each, I bet you can do better looking elsewhere.

The 2205 and 2225 are great midbass speakers, but really aren't generally suited to subwoofer duty.

Widget

Thanks Widget,

Point taken. If I need more Subwoofer I guess I could always have one of the 2205s reconed to a 2235. Seems like that quite a popular thing to do. At least I see a lot of them on ebay.

I appreciate all the time you folks are taking to explain things. I getting a better grasp on these speakers all the time.

Blessings, Terry

Mr. Widget
09-03-2004, 03:34 PM
Originally posted by still4given
If I need more Subwoofer I guess I could always have one of the 2205s reconed to a 2235. Seems like that quite a popular thing to do. At least I see a lot of them on ebay.



Absolutely! That is a good point. Reconing with a 2235 kit will give you an essentially brand new 2235. You may need to remag if you are getting alnico 2205s.

Perhaps you will not miss the output below 40Hz and in that case you will be getting woofers that are a bit more efficient and quite snappy.

Widget

jbl
09-05-2004, 07:47 AM
I have used the 2225H in a 4507 5ft cabinet for Hi-Fi use since 1985. As with all designs, there is a trade-off. The 2225H gives very impressive response to about 35 Hz. For this size cabinet, lower response (about 5-7 Hz) can be obtained with a 2235, but the attack would suffer. With the 2425J, I don't have to increase its output as I would with the 2235 in the same size cabinet. Another consideration is the use of a DC amplifier. Here the low frequencies are passed to the speakers without being altered. To answer your question, the 2225 makes a fine HI-Fi speaker. For greater output, a 2235 in an 8ft cabinet would be a better choice than a 5ft. I can't comment on the 2205 because I never heard one. I did hear the 4430 and found it a bit shy in the mid bass compared to mine. There is no one great over all system.

Ron