Just scored a Pioneer DVL-909...

[JBL 4645]

...with Dolby AC-3 output as well as support for DVD playback with duel side playback

http://www.laserdiscarchive.co.uk/DVL-909.htm

I was after a replacement for CLD-1750 and CLD-2950 to find a way to realign the laser mechanism. I’ll still be on the hunt for player that that ether as spindle motor issues the user isn’t aware of and buy now for cheap and cannibalize the parts needed.

The seller listed as (pick-up only) and it’s taken three days of negotiation to get the seller to post it. Well given the distance between the seller and me it’s not quite possible.

When I was buying the laserdisc players S/H some 18 to 16 years ago they where around £350.00 to £400.00 as they where still in production at the time.

Travel on a coach might cost £20.00 to £30.00 and with postal 48hr delivery under £20.00 player £100.00 I’d say that’s a good score.:bouncy:

I guess I’ll need a cheap AC-3 demodulator next and see if I can’t make room on the Kenwood KFR-X9050D THX select as its totally choc-a-block full on all inputs.

[JBL 4645]

I see several Dolby RF AC-3 demodulators going from reasonable prices to damn right diabolical prices.

The Sony AC-3 demodulator is reasonable priced for used
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/SONY-RF-DEMODULATOR-MOD-RF1-DOLBY-DIGITAL-AC-3-MANUAL-/110638600958?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item19c29312fe#ht_689wt_1059
I find the Sony looking a bit like the Yamaha APD-1 maybe the Sony is the (Yamaha pictured below).

The Meriden AC-3 demodulator is moderately priced
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Meridian-519-AC-3-RF-Laserdisc-Player-Sound-Demodulator-/280619256019?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item41563608d3#ht_594wt_1059

The Pioneer AC-3 demodulator a bit steep
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Pioneer-RFD-1-RF-demodulator-laserdisc-LD-ac-3-/130472579826?pt=US_Laserdisc&hash=item1e60c592f2#ht_1324wt_1059

So I have options not in the immediate hurry, no rush.

[hjames]

I thought you had a laserdisc player already.
Is this just a spare, or a better model than what you already have?

[JeffW]

Yamaha DDP-1 AC-3 Processor, $75 shipped CONUS, mightdeal with UK (ad's been up a while).

http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?t=344885

[JBL 4645]

Yamaha DDP-1 AC-3 Processor, $75 shipped CONUS, mightdeal with UK (ad's been up a while).

http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?t=344885

£46.00 pounds, huh, that’s not a bad all around price.

Can’t view page it must be under classified ads members view only. I assume the seller takes paypal and is the member been active on the site recently how many posts does have as he might have left the site?

Might have sold the item or might still have it for sale? Then again he might have had the item on ebay and sold it long ago?

This seems to make sense about the ups and downs of getting the Dolby AC-3 to play.
http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showpost.php?p=2407467&postcount=4

[JBL 4645]

I thought you had a laserdisc player already.
Is this just a spare, or a better model than what you already have?

It’s neither to replace the other two that need some spare parts from other models that are completely useless to another sellers.

I’ve seen a few where it states disc tray works but the laserdisc won’t start? Now it could be down to spindle motor that has packed-in or the laser is dirty or gone totally faulty??

All I need is one that ether works so I get within a hairline of getting the CLD-1750 running smoothly again the spindle motor was replaced around 1999, 2000, so its had very little use.

It’s the laser that gone a bit queer on me. There tricky things to set up but, not impossible just tricky.

The new laserdisc player will be for some of the few Dolby AC-3 titles I have the dts laserdiscs I’ve listened to already many times over.

I think I really do need a demodulator. I can’t understand why this isn’t mandatory, built into the laserdisc player, no wonder Dolby AC-3 was so expensive over dts.

You’d ether have to have an existing laserdisc player modified that was over £100.00 then you need the demodulator and the AVP or AVR with Dolby digital.

With dts it’s just the AVP or AVR that has both Dolby digital and dts and lastly just an optical lead and that’s it!

This is why I gave in at the end and brought DVD because ability to listen to Dolby 6channel as few simple steps away. With Dolby AC-3 on laserdisc it’s like trying to get blood out of stone.


I was close to getting the CLD-2950 up and running as that needed tiny plastic part a piece of plastic! LOL it started up without the disc slipping which slowed down after a few seconds but caused a few issues to tricking the player and it went into stop mode.

Once I got it to start up in the normal fashion I found out it was bit whoopsy daisy, on the load up. I had to force the or give a little lifting support to get the disc tray into the correct position so that the CD /laserdisc can be read by the laser.

In stop mode the disc drops down a few inches but when starting play again, I have to hit it! This makes the disc try lift up. It’s a kinder of magic. ;) works all the time. :D

I knew this wasn’t the way to go about it and was thinking maybe the part as whole or one tiny part needs replacing to get the disc tray to perform in the correct way.

So the player is in the bedroom till I can be asked to get around to ordering a new part.

[JBL 4645]

http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ_rkl81nWsAfn9cG8qgLNQoGRBe5fEn 8pm-Id2R20-5Xp8lqkxNw

I recall this AC-3 demodulator Lexicon a bit of an arm and leg at the time! Too bad its bidding! Not interested. If he sold it for $120.00 that would be around £75.00 plus P&P on-a-top!:D

http://cgi.ebay.com/Lexicon-LDD-1-AC-3-RF-Demodulator-/220726488772?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item336452eec4#ht_807wt_1059

Don’t be fooled by the size! You open it up and find a tiny PCB in one corner with small transformer in the other corner. :D

I like the slim look with rack-ears kinder like my Millennium dts246 decoder.

I’ll keep a look out for the Sony. I have one more item to buy off ebay it’s “the special” shhhh! No its not a pair of JBL speakers.

[Fred Sanford]

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I recall this AC-3 demodulator Lexicon a bit of an arm and leg at the time! Too bad its bidding! Not interested. If he sold it for $120.00 that would be around £75.00 plus P&P on-a-top!:D

http://cgi.ebay.com/Lexicon-LDD-1-AC-3-RF-Demodulator-/220726488772?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item336452eec4#ht_807wt_1059

Don’t be fooled by the size! You open it up and find a tiny PCB in one corner with small transformer in the other corner. :D

I like the slim look with rack-ears kinder like my Millennium dts246 decoder.

I’ll keep a look out for the Sony. I have one more item to buy off ebay it’s “the special” shhhh! No its not a pair of JBL speakers.

I've got an LDD-1, haven't put it into my main system yet, though. I also have a Marantz DP-870, and an H/K ADP303. The LDD-1 gives you RF + digital ins > digital out, the Marantz & H/K are RF + digital ins > analog 5.1 outs.

I've got 4 or 5 of the DVL-909s here, and one each of the related DVL-90 and DVL-91. They've been pretty good for me for years. Another added bonus is that they're good CD players, from the PCM or analog outs.

je

[JBL 4645]

I recall you, mentioned this a few years ago. Its keeping them servable is the problem spare parts finding the supplier.

[JBL 4645]

Pioneer DVL-909 arrived early today

[JBL 4645]

Slowly opening up the parcel box

Fairy hand washing liquid is good for your hands. :D

[JBL 4645]

Yesterdays fish & chip newspaper was careful placed all around the box to make the player feel snug.

[JBL 4645]

Remote control and power lead warped up in bubble wrap and laserdisc player

[JBL 4645]

Out of the box it looks nice it feels nice, I like it. :bouncy:

[JBL 4645]

Rear view is different from the US model that has 4 RCA phones for left and right and two S-video outputs.

[JBL 4645]

User manual was also supplied.

[JBL 4645]

After deciding what player I’d have to remove as I’m totally out of digital/coaxial inputs on the AVR so with Pioneer DV-515 set aside for the moment if, I want to use it for region1 DVD I’d have to swap the digital optical and video lead from the Phillips bluray player in few seconds to view region1 DVD.

I tried out region2 Fright Night in the DVL-909 picture and Dolby digital playback was okay.


I need to find a good AVR that has THX select2, with that Audyssey EQ thingy not necessary but would be useful / Dolby TrueHD (dtshdma of course) internal 8channel inputs or more with 8channel or more RCA outputs as most AVR don’t support RCA phone outputs just internal amps which is useless to me.

Also the AVR has to support at least
Video 1 for analogue VCR
Video 2 laserdisc digital Dolby / PCM
Video 3 DVD digital Dolby / PCM
Video 4 DVD digital Dolby / PCM
Video 5 bluray digital Dolby / PCM via HDMI
Video 6 bluray digital Dolby / PCM via HDMI

Now the odds of finding a cheap affordable AVR under £600.00 that supports 6 or more video will be hard to find as I need to inspect the back. Onkyo is at the top of the list but its finding one that is cheap as chips.

[JBL 4645]

I tried a STAR WARS special edition and yes I need a Dolby AC-3 demodulator I thought the player would work connected to a suitable AVR with Dolby digital. No worries I’ll get one later around next month.

dts (uncompressed PCM) THX laserdisc Crimson Tide (1995) played marvellously and the digital freeze frame looks great with CLV discs where before all you’d get is blank blue screen and the only way to freze frame, frame by frame is with CAV disc that only run for around 30 mins, CLV run slightly over 60min on some titles per side.

Presently watching The Abyss side2 now Dolby stereo PCM

Digital freeze frame of side1 taken earlier

[JBL 4645]

The remote looks like something like from Star Trek prop? The upper part for laserdisc and some of the DVD functions.

The lower part is concealed behind a flap that slides down for the DVD functions

[Fred Sanford]

I tried a STAR WARS special edition and yes I need a Dolby AC-3 demodulator I thought the player would work connected to a suitable AVR with Dolby digital. No worries I’ll get one later around next month.

dts (uncompressed PCM) THX laserdisc Crimson Tide (1995) played marvellously and the digital freeze frame looks great with CLV discs where before all you’d get is blank blue screen and the only way to freze frame, frame by frame is with CAV disc that only run for around 30 mins, CLV run slightly over 60min on some titles per side.

Presently watching The Abyss side2 now Dolby stereo PCM

Digital freeze frame of side1 taken earlier

I thought you had to mod the 909s to get DTS audio to work. :dont-know:

je

[Fred Sanford]

I recall you, mentioned this a few years ago. Its keeping them servable is the problem spare parts finding the supplier.

Spare parts for what? If you mean the 909s, I just keep spare 909s for that. ;)

je

[JBL 4645]

Spare parts for what? If you mean the 909s, I just keep spare 909s for that. ;)

je

Most pioneer laserdisc (most parts will fit) other models depending on what type of model? Some parts of CLD-1450 will fit on CLD-1750 to CLD-1850 CLD-2850 to CLD-2950 just depends on the part number, not all parts will fit.

Not sure what the inside looks like on DV-909 haven’t taken a peek yet to see if some of parts are similar to CLD-2950 the auto disc flip-over. Spindle motor I guess is miles different from the CLD-2950.

[JBL 4645]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_4wQMFxhg8k

I’m randomly going though some of the dts and THX laserdiscs. The webcam is total pants for image.

Laserdisc is so flexible for quick search backwards or forwards where with DVD and bluray it’s slow! It’s a trade-off over one feature on another format.

The pop/crackle is being picked up by the SPL db metre. I think the issue happened at the dubbing stage or the transfer?

5m:58s you’ll hear the popping sound.

I like sitting forwards on an old JBL control 1 that doesn’t work anymore to monitor the levels switching ether at the DCX2496 via muting or I can do it via the DRS70 on left/right or DSP100 for centre ether way, I can selectively monitor any sound/audio also switch the surrounds off and monitor their performance any, channel I like.

[JBL 4645]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rH8oF7_uGIU


I had the SPL db metre set at dbA for the first video now its set at dbC weighting for fuller in-room pick-up.

Sometime I can’t make my mind up as its hyperactive I’m thinking of something else while mumbling and something else even when I type I’m thinking of something else??? :D

The bass goes a bit compressed on the analogue side on this transfer other laserdiscs still manage to put out a good stable strong signal between PCM and analogue, I guess the lows on Apollo 13 would overload the analogue stage so a bit of compression must have been applied. The PCM dts audio is, the cats' bollocks!

The SPL db picks up on the disc change-over mechanism.

[JBL 4645]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ssIgWwzGmaY

I’d sooner play the dts THX laserdisc of Apollo 13 over the first edition DVD that has an extra audio problem on one of the (chapter 6) where the centre goes dull from around 500Hz all the mid to top end gone. I don’t like special edition as the text that appears onscreen over the image launch date etc is now gone and its only available as subtle text WTF! Universal Pictures DVD bluray need to get their act together!

The DVL-909 isn’t as noisy as the CLD-2950 thou the CLD-1750 was a lot quieter with CLV and CAV laserdiscs.

I have noticed on some laserdisc video noise that is a like a transparent clear of wavy-ness it doesn’t bother me that much. I need to check up Star Ship Troopers as one of the sides as bit of ole minor laser-rot!

[JBL 4645]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZyWfIPUhGXo

Centre phantom sound images on the left/right bother me. I prefer if the sound was coming from a direct single loudspeaker it’s only for what I do or others that use their noodle for thinking!

[JBL 4645]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8vNPZbJues

Die Hard With A Vengange has neatly produced film mix. Showing-off the DSP-100 for a bit with different DSP modes.

[JBL 4645]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1acIwe0Czpc

Switching between dts discrete over to analogue Dolby stereo pro-logic the differences between certain effects or music in matrix surrounds that’s a blend of left and right and some anti-phase matrix surround. I prefer discrete 6channel or what ever comes over matrix.

From looking on one of the EQ RTA its roughly -6db down at analogue over discrete dts. The analogue Lt-Rt needs a preamp to boast the level up bit as the AVR only supports for -3db and -6db.

Foley effects are laughably exaggerated making humans sound like a T-Rex footfall! If cuts are done to fast it doesn’t give the audience enough time much less mixes to make silly 1 second whoosh of plane or car going along the surrounds to fronts it needs to hold much longer a to give the impression spaciousness.

[JBL 4645]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nVQSZW9uFus

Switching from Die Hard to Escape From New York PCM Dolby stereo 4.2.4 matrix, this version is classic, vintage.

The missing cassette tape sound spool when Snake pulls the tape apart the end on the DVD is f$()+ked right up! I wouldn’t trust the bluray ether way.

I paid I think it was £15.00 for Escape From New York early 2000?

[JBL 4645]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oh7G1uroAgA

The audio commentary session between Kurt and John is laughable between these two. I’ve got the AB on so audio commentary is left and mono film mix is on right, or you can select left / right on the analogue track.

Sooty comes in for meow, meow.

[JBL 4645]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iLetssVQQ1U

The Getaway dts laserdisc is going for a mad price on ebay at £61.87 that’s way too steep, well I’ll think about, I just like Chinese electronics. :p

[Eaulive]

I own the best :D

http://www.laserdiscarchive.co.uk/DVL-700.htm

[Fred Sanford]

I own the best :D

http://www.laserdiscarchive.co.uk/DVL-700.htm

Isn't the 700 essentially the non-Elite version of the DVL-90? It's lacking a bunch of the features the 909s have, not sure if the LD player's specs are comparable. :dont-know:

je

[JBL 4645]

Isn't the 700 essentially the non-Elite version of the DVL-90? It's lacking a bunch of the features the 909s have, not sure if the LD player's specs are comparable. :dont-know:

je

Most are ether clone versions of the US model that came out a year or less early for the European market, from what I read.

The Pioneer CLD-1750 NTSC/PAL was originally the CLD-1600 the models like-alike apart from minor changes in features and cosmetic appearance.

I kinder like that DVL-700 I like the black cosmetic look and the way the DVD logo and laserdisc logos are placed on the front. The remote looks the same as the DVL-909 (CU-DVD14).


I’m just frustrated you have to buy an extra demodulator to get Dolby digital from AC-3 laserdisc. I thought I had the audio settings wrong on the laserdisc player and tried again last night, hopeless totally f$*(k^ing hopeless!

I just enjoyed listening to a rare PAL laserdisc of STAR WARS in analogue. The stereo front sound very narrow on effects it takes a bit of fiddling around to get the best possible front width over the LCR.

The matrix surrounds as the rebel blockade running zooms over the surrounds to fronts is heard as high wining sound in the surrounds few a few seconds before passing over fronts which as you know is followed by a HUGE spaceship that WOW’ed us back in 1977!

The low end on the sub bass extension as calmer feel its not in your face like the THX CAV laserdisc and (1997) special edition, even thou the stereo width over LCR was greatly improved I’m wondering if the early widescreen edition on CLV would be great improvement over the analogue version I have as that is the original, yeah, yeah so what if the opening crawl has “Episode IV A New Hope” on it it’s the original Dolby Stereo 4.2.4 matrix mix, too bad Dolby AC-3 didn’t come around a lot earlier otherwise we might have the original discrete 4.1 mix even thou the subs we’re twined over stage channels 2 and 4 playing the same signal twice, at least it’s a discrete mix!

bluray won’t be worth it because Lucas will never ever change his, heart, he’ll continue to with his tinkering he’ll turn STAR WARS into a 7th re-mix with 7.1 mark my words! He’ll be too tight-ass to give the fans an original Dolby 4.1 mix. Mark my words.

I wouldn’t mind getting hold of an earlier model the CLD-D925 This model also featured digital freeze so CLV laserdiscs can be paused with a picture rather than a blue/black background. I think that feature is one of the highlights made for laserdisc.

http://www.laserdiscarchive.co.uk/laserdisc_archive/pioneer/pioneer_cld-d925/cld-d925.htm

[JBL 4645]

Bugger me! I look on eaby and one happens to be listed for £225.00 well I’m trying to save for “the special” that has come up again I’d have to cross my fingers and hope no one shows interest and it gets re-listed. Otherwise £225.00 isn’t a bad (buy now price).

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/PIONEER-CLD-D925-LASER-DISC-PLAYER-PAL-NTSC-VGC-/180623135521?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item2a0dfa5321#ht_804wt_1059