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4345
08-02-2010, 02:14 PM
It turns out that JBL has been copying a Chinese company for many years. You can see by the photos that JBL has just been using Chinese designs and selling them for high prices to the unsuspecting. So why get upset about JBL not producing speakers in the USA. :eek:
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jcrobso
08-02-2010, 02:34 PM
It turns out that JBL has been copying a Chinese company for many years. You can see by the photos that JBL has just been using Chinese designs and selling them for high prices to the unsuspecting. So why get upset about JBL not producing speakers in the USA. :eek:
http://www.csresonant.com/images/frontpageimage.gif CS Resonant provides the highest quality speaker systems without the high price.
Many of our products have been tested and approved by the THX standard.
We can provide audio systems for anywhere between small personal theaters up to large 800 seat theaters.
Browse our catalog of items and contact us with any questions

CS Resonant
2022 South Griswold Street
Peoria, IL 61605
(309) 676-7930
e-mail: info@csresonant.com

Home (http://www.csresonant.com/index.php) | Catalog Download (http://www.csresonant.com/catalog.php) | About Enpar/China Cinetech (http://www.csresonant.com/aboutchina.php) | Privacy Policy (http://www.csresonant.com/privacy.php) | Site Map (http://www.csresonant.com/sitemap.php)


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Beyma speakers started out as JBL clones, I have some of them for the mid 1980s.
But Beyma has done their own design work also. They were a lower cost alternative to JBL, but Beyma prices have gone up to the level of JBL.
Maybe I'll take a drive out to Peoria some time this year!;)

robertbartsch
08-03-2010, 07:33 AM
I took a Chinese woofer a part a few weeks ago. Everything Jim Lansing designed for the Altec Lansing and JBL companies was missing.

It had stamped not cast frame, a stamped not machined top plate, a big VC gap, a round not flat wire voice coil, light not heavy motor, etc.

spkrman57
08-03-2010, 10:01 AM
I took a Chinese woofer a part a few weeks ago. Everything Jim Lansing designed for the Altec Lansing and JBL companies was missing.

It had stamped not cast frame, a stamped not machined top plate, a big VC gap, a round not flat wire voice coil, light not heavy motor, etc.

That is how they sell so cheaply!:eek:

I'll pass on them.....

Ron

scott fitlin
08-03-2010, 10:38 AM
That is how they sell so cheaply!:eek:

I'll pass on them.....

RonBut Ron, you would NEVER notice unless you actually put some signal through them! Nobody does THAT anymore, do they? :dont-know:

spkrman57
08-03-2010, 11:01 AM
But Ron, you would NEVER notice unless you actually put some signal through them! Nobody does THAT anymore, do they? :dont-know:

Of course I always get things when their closer to vintage than new!!

Ron

Eaulive
08-03-2010, 05:09 PM
It turns out that JBL has been copying a Chinese company for many years. You can see by the photos that JBL has just been using Chinese designs and selling them for high prices to the unsuspecting. So why get upset about JBL not producing speakers in the USA. :eek:
http://www.csresonant.com/images/frontpageimage.gif CS Resonant provides the highest quality speaker systems without the high price.
Many of our products have been tested and approved by the THX standard.
We can provide audio systems for anywhere between small personal theaters up to large 800 seat theaters.
Browse our catalog of items and contact us with any questions

CS Resonant
2022 South Griswold Street
Peoria, IL 61605
(309) 676-7930
e-mail: info@csresonant.com

Home (http://www.csresonant.com/index.php) | Catalog Download (http://www.csresonant.com/catalog.php) | About Enpar/China Cinetech (http://www.csresonant.com/aboutchina.php) | Privacy Policy (http://www.csresonant.com/privacy.php) | Site Map (http://www.csresonant.com/sitemap.php)


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I'm not sure about your intentions with this post.... it's a joke right? :confused:

4345
08-04-2010, 06:44 AM
Of course I am just kidding. I am surprised JBL can't better protect its designs and sue this company. If you go to their website you will see more copies.

One thing to remember is that many companies start by copying and then go on to do their own good work. I think even Jim Lansing was sued by Western Electric on certain phase plug issues on his early horn drivers.



I'm not sure about your intentions with this post.... it's a joke right? :confused:

4313B
08-04-2010, 07:20 AM
Of course I am just kidding. I am surprised JBL can't better protect its designs and sue this company.How do you sue a company in communist China?

4345
08-04-2010, 07:26 AM
It would not be difficult for JBL to stop someone copying them. China does have laws and these companies could be stopped. Now I am not sure if you can stop someone from making a close copy of a 4642 sub enclosure (just two holes in a rectangle, but perhaps the screen arrays which are very unique looking or an Everest. I would leave that to attorneys.

I am sure Harman has the financial and political ability to stop copying of their unique intellectual property in China.

They could also stop them from being imported into the US if they can prove they have violated copyright, patent or trademark laws.





How do you sue a company in communist China?

4313B
08-04-2010, 07:38 AM
It would not be difficult for JBL to stop someone copying them.I really don't think they can. Rumor has it some folks in the Philippines are counterfeiting JBL Synthesis systems and JBL has had zero luck stopping them. That's just the Philippines. I'm pretty sure China can do whatever they want, whenever they want. I was reading the other day that they just raised the acceptable death toll for coal miners from three per day to ten per day in order to cut down on paperwork.

badman
08-04-2010, 08:31 AM
I really don't think they can. Rumor has it some folks in the Philippines are counterfeiting JBL Synthesis systems and JBL has had zero luck stopping them. That's just the Philippines. I'm pretty sure China can do whatever they want, whenever they want. I was reading the other day that they just raised the acceptable death toll for coal miners from three per day to ten per day in order to cut down on paperwork.

The world is a very different place than it looks from the USA.

robertbartsch
08-04-2010, 08:43 AM
What current JBL technology is protected; I would think any patents on the horns, compression drivers, square-wound coils, have expired decades ago? So yeh, these guys made some cheap copies of JBL Pro Cinema in China but this is done all the time; right?

The threat is that these guys will vastly improve the product in the future and then run over the competition.

I'm not sure I would want to run Harman now; the challenges are huge.

Titanium Dome
08-04-2010, 08:43 AM
Anyone who buys those knock offs will be getting exactly what they're paying for.

EDIT: On retrospect, maybe less.

4313B
08-04-2010, 08:53 AM
The world is a very different place than it looks from the USA.Yep. It's pretty effed up. :( It's surreal.

SEAWOLF97
08-04-2010, 09:00 AM
I was reading the other day that they just raised the acceptable death toll for coal miners from three per day to ten per day in order to cut down on paperwork.


The world is a very different place than it looks from the USA.

You should read the USFDA regs on how many rat turds are allowed in our cereal ,,:eek:

4313B
08-04-2010, 09:10 AM
You should read the USFDA regs on how many rat turds are allowed in our cereal ,,:eek:And I was just thinking about how much cereal the USFDA allows in my rat turds...:rolleyes:

SEAWOLF97
08-04-2010, 09:16 AM
And I was just thinking about how much cereal the USFDA allows in my rat turds...:rolleyes:

My mind just free associates sometimes ...was reading this thread and the ones abt the new Harman, the USFDA , Iraq/Afgan and rat turds just came to mind.....:dont-know:

4313B
08-04-2010, 09:21 AM
:rotfl:

robertbartsch
08-04-2010, 10:07 AM
...people in the USA laughed at Honda and Toyota imports in the 1960s. The term, "Made in Japan" had a very negative conotation.

....Fast forward 50 years. GM market share has gone from 62% in 1965 to 16% now and they recently declaired bankruptcy after a government bailout.

Yeh, the cheap stuff is cheap stuff but these people are not sitting on their hands either.

hjames
08-04-2010, 02:37 PM
...people in the USA laughed at Honda and Toyota imports in the 1960s. The term, "Made in Japan" had a very negative conotation.

....Fast forward 50 years. GM market share has gone from 62% in 1965 to 16% now and they recently declaired bankruptcy after a government bailout.

Yeh, the cheap stuff is cheap stuff but these people are not sitting on their hands either.

Don't forget, GM and Ford went through some periods of abysmal quality control - Grosse Point Management figured we'd buy anything they made ... and the imports ate their lunch!